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PhonesRe: Iphone Or Android by 4llerbuntu(m): 9:28am On Nov 02, 2012
Iphone. if u need to ask this question, then u most def need to get the iphone.
ComputersRe: Ubuntu Linux by 4llerbuntu(m): 9:19am On Nov 02, 2012
ok, clarify i will

you are boring us with your I Too Know atitude

we have been keeping quiet about it on this thread but i have had enough, so im calling you out on it.


Bottomline is you should stop posting like all those chinese guys/bots that stumble on NL and say something random.


Who wants to know if you know what XFCE is? nobody

Ekt_bear said he tried XFCE, That means he already knows what it is and what it looks like



but just in case u don't like my calling you out on your attitude, i am very sure there is a transformer in your neighbourhood, one u can hug today. just give it a hug and french kiss
PhonesRe: Nokia Lumia 920: The Best by 4llerbuntu(m): 9:13am On Nov 02, 2012
jedisco: So which part do you think is false. The non HD part or the budget part?
Got that mixed up with the HTC J. which is a 720P phone.


but then, precisely what is the point/reason given in the article for the Lumia being the best?
PhonesRe: Android, Anyone? Part II by 4llerbuntu(m): 8:54am On Nov 02, 2012
na my own app be kulikuli app ehn? if i catch u........... u go dance alanta nd azonto together at once grin grin

nobody showed interest na, that was a proof of concept thing.

i could have made a full feature thingy, only say i was at a loss as to how to inject my own ads grin grin grin seun don take NL ads scatter the mobile pages. and i didnt want to strip metadata and repackage.

otherwise the only other thing i could have done is include it in a Flipboard kind thingy, bu i dont think there are enough naija sites to make that sensible.

i still do not get why seun will just not pay for a tapatalk plugin, his ads will still make money lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
PhonesRe: RIM/BBM What-if-blackberry-messenger-had-gone-cross-platform by 4llerbuntu(op): 8:34am On Nov 02, 2012
@Hayjaycity what do u mean by lies?

u should point out the lies in my post, not just tell me crap


BTW, for whatsapp, its supposed to be 99cents a year, but im not sure they have even started billing users outside europe. two of my sims are already over the 1 year free period and they still work fine.

and seriously how can u not be able to pay 150 naira per year for a very useful Instant messaging app? haba, are u not paying 1400 naira a month for BIS?


even better i activate it with one line, then switch lines in the phone (android) and it still works and will show the initial line as being active.
thats how iv been able to avoid the number palaver, the number on the whatsapp line is not going to ring if u call it
i know it does not work that way on BB sha, being tied to BIS.


is it available on Windows Phone now? huh
PhonesRe: RIM/BBM What-if-blackberry-messenger-had-gone-cross-platform by 4llerbuntu(op): 8:34am On Nov 02, 2012
@Hayjay what do u mean by lies?

u should point out the lies in my post, not just tell me crap


BTW, for whatsapp, its supposed to be 99cents a year, but im not sure they have even started billing users outside europe. two of my sims are already over the 1 year free period and they still work fine.

and seriously how can u not be able to pay 150 naira a year for a very useful Instant messaging app? haba, are u not paying 1400 naira for BIS?


even better i activate it with one line, then switch lines in the phone (android) and it still works and will show the initial line as being active.
thats how iv been able to avoid the number palaver, the number on the whatsapp line is not going to ring if u call it
i know it does not work that way on BB sha, being tied to BIS.


is it available on Windows Phone now? huh
PhonesRe: Nokia Lumia 920: The Best by 4llerbuntu(m): 2:30am On Nov 02, 2012
The guy quotes a review that lists xperia j as a non HD budget phone.

Like seriously? Smh
PhonesRe: Android, Anyone? Part II by 4llerbuntu(m): 3:01pm On Nov 01, 2012
BusinessRe: Coca-cola Phases Out Returnable Bottles! by 4llerbuntu(m): 9:44am On Nov 01, 2012
perfect excuse to bump up the price across board finally.

wonder if they are prepared to recycle the PVC bottles. out useless govt no kuku sabi that kain thing
PoliticsRe: PHCN Workers Move To Disrupt Electricity Supply by 4llerbuntu(m): 8:38am On Nov 01, 2012
One part of this entire saga i dont get is that is this government so spineless as to be held ransom by these guys in this manner?

i understand the payment of the gratuity and pensions part, its their right and they should rightly get it.

but actually going out to organize sabotage of essential public installations and declaring that intention openly?


Lord!!! what is this type of affliction we have brought on ourselves with this govt? the PHCN staff number like how many?
PhonesRe: Android, Anyone? Part II by 4llerbuntu(m): 8:27am On Nov 01, 2012
thats true sha.


but who has the patents on that thing? saw some arguments on it being patented and therefor google cannot put it on phones.


anyway, im sure CM got it covered sha.

but its pretty weird how CM kinda like does better firmware than all the big OEMS. its just a few guys and they do better than the big companies with big products
ComputersRe: Ubuntu Linux by 4llerbuntu(m): 8:17am On Nov 01, 2012
Ogbeni you are boring us with your ITK

we have been keeping quiet but i have had enough, so im calling you out on it.


abeg abeg. na u sabi why u dey vex for my questions. either u answer them or you dont, bottomline stop posting like all those chinese guys that stumble on NL and say something random.

who wants to know if you know XFCE is, the guy says he tried XFCE, does that not mean he already knows what it is and what it looks like? huh huh huh huh

i no kuku abuse u, na question i ask!!

but incase u still dey vex, there is a transformer in your neighbourhood, one u can hug today tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by 4llerbuntu(m): 7:42am On Nov 01, 2012
OPPAN GANGNAM STYLE grin grin grin grin grin grin grin



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0




how markate? 1 down 3-to-go
PhonesRe: Android, Anyone? Part II by 4llerbuntu(m): 7:39am On Nov 01, 2012
multiple profiles could also be nice for handing over your phones to all those "pls let me take a look at you phone" folks.

but in that case it has to be easily switchable in a gesture or two. i say this because for example i no longer have games on my phones.
im tired of people who take my phone and 2 minutes later PES 2012 or temple run is ongoing grin grin grin grin even worse, some refuse to give it back, esp girls wink wink

its also neater than having to lock your messages/email/im apps etc.


but truly its not that much of a big deal for phones sha
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by 4llerbuntu(m): 8:24pm On Oct 31, 2012
according to optajoe, Juan Mata has assisted more goals than any other player in the premier league since last season.

i wonder who he lays the passes to. I'm sure he hates Torres.

meanwhile Swansea assist more abi?
PhonesRe: Nexus 4 , 10 And Android 4.2 By Google And LG by 4llerbuntu(m): 8:19pm On Oct 31, 2012
stevetokyo: This has been released in Japan 6months ago,..
6months ago ke!!!!!!!! take am easy on

phone that was Announced this month to go on sale before the year runs out? haba!!!!
PhonesRe: Samsung Galaxy III Vs Galaxy Note II by 4llerbuntu(m): 4:53pm On Oct 31, 2012
Mrs.Chima:
Not all women.
but u do no? grin grin grin

dont u like the Note, the big black gigantic uniquely satisfying Note? tongue tongue grin grin grin grin

#innocent
PhonesRe: RIM/BBM What-if-blackberry-messenger-had-gone-cross-platform by 4llerbuntu(op): 4:46pm On Oct 31, 2012
^^^^
thats what you all say, thats what RIM has been saying all this while.

By the time BB10 devices are out, almost nobody will be using blackberries again!!! thats the point.


Nigerian market actually will not help RIM, irrespective of its popularity here.

you people have a large second hand user base, over 70% of blackberries used in nigeria are second hand.

you will have to wait for the oyinbos to buy and use and dispose before u will get them here, like how many people here buy new blackberries for the absolutely ridiculous prices that the new ones are sold?

Unfortunately, the oyinbos are not buying blackberries anymore!


faced with a choice of buying Iphone or android or BB for 95-105k im sure u know which one the average person will choose.


the issue is BBM users are dwindling, and people are not missing BBM because well other cross platform alternatives work and they are adopting it massively.

if BBM did not stop BB's from becoming endangered, it will not make people adopt BB back. its like you people seriously underestimate the challenge RIM has now, WINDOWS PHONE 8 IS A QUALITY OS THATS NOT SURE OF CRACKING THE MARKET, HOW MUCH MORE BB10 that we are even yet to see ?


anyway, its not hard sha, na for una eye RIM go carry the BBM thing sell when dem dey fold
PhonesRe: Nokia Unveils Lumia 510 For Emerging Markets by 4llerbuntu(m): 4:35pm On Oct 31, 2012
jedisco: Moreso all the reviews of WP I've seen explicitly states that its faster and smother than your like androids. So you should get yourself off the pursuit of the fastest clocked processor and tell me how it performs in real life.
this is not true. WP of any nature does not run faster or smoother than any jellybean phone, custom or stock.

and of which before u start citing desire HD running gingerbread, WP 8 should be measured with the latest Android, not android released 2 years ago!

whosoever your reviewers are, well they are lying
PoliticsRe: PHCN : The Darkness Is Slowly Creeping Back by 4llerbuntu(m): 4:19pm On Oct 31, 2012
Sincere 9gerian: The power improvement the last time was neither phantom nor due to excessive rain fall. The truth is that power generation peaked at above 4,300megawatts recently, an unprecedented high. But even as power generation peaks, [size=18pt]so also are new buildings sprouting here and there daily, connecting to the national grid and sucking up power. What has happened is that the demand has caught up with the new power generation peak of 4,300MW. [/size]


Also the distribution system(transformers and all that) is still in a mess. For there to be sustainable improvement in power supply, our power generation must peak at above 10,000MW. Also the distribution networks must be seriously overhauled. Yes there has been some depreciation in power supply in Enugu where I reside but not as bad as last yr or the yr before. But ANY area that reports lack of power supply for more than 24hrs MUST definitely have local issues, eg TRANSFORMER fault. But the good news is that power sector reforms are still on course. We expect more megawatts to be added to the national grid as the NIPP and IPP power projects come on stream. Also the privatisation, which is almost being concluded, is expected to overhaul the distribution system, which is presently in a MESS.
Can you imagine this F0OL? what do u take us for? u head must be banging on the floor daily for you to spew that nonsense. infact e no go better for your "enemies"

so new building sprouting up have consumed all your 4,300 megawatts? ko ni da fun awon ti o baa tie je
PoliticsRe: PHCN : The Darkness Is Slowly Creeping Back by 4llerbuntu(m): 4:18pm On Oct 31, 2012
Sincere 9gerian: The power improvement the last time was neither phantom nor due to excessive rain fall. The truth is that power generation peaked at above 4,300megawatts recently, an unprecedented high. But even as power generation peaks, [size=18pt]so also are new buildings sprouting here and there daily, connecting to the national grid and sucking up power. What has happened is that the demand has caught up with the new power generation peak of 4,300MW. [/size]


Also the distribution system(transformers and all that) is still in a mess. For there to be sustainable improvement in power supply, our power generation must peak at above 10,000MW. Also the distribution networks must be seriously overhauled. Yes there has been some depreciation in power supply in Enugu where I reside but not as bad as last yr or the yr before. But ANY area that reports lack of power supply for more than 24hrs MUST definitely have local issues, eg TRANSFORMER fault. But the good news is that power sector reforms are still on course. We expect more megawatts to be added to the national grid as the NIPP and IPP power projects come on stream. Also the privatisation, which is almost being concluded, is expected to overhaul the distribution system, which is presently in a MESS.
Can you imagine this F0OL? what do u take us for? u head must be banging on the floor daily for you to spew that nonsese. infact e no go better for your "enemies"

so new building sprouting up have consumed all your 4,300 megawatts? ko ni da fun awon ti o baa tie je
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by 4llerbuntu(m): 1:49pm On Oct 31, 2012
how u saw miquel having a good game beats me hollow. are u sure we saw the same game?

and even much more weirder you are actually looking forward to saturday!! against a razor sharp attack!

Beaten by Norwich, thrashed at home by Schalke, scraped win v 10-man QPR, conceded 5 goals v Reading, Utd away on Saturday. Do the maths.

Koscielny was not just having a bad day, he was atrocious. has been atrocious all the games he has appeared in this season. he was the leader, organizer of the defence that shipped 5. this knucklehead was eaten for breakfast by JASON ROBERTS, JASON ROBERTS>!!!!!!!!!!

do u know how many goals arsenal have conceded with him on the pitch? and pls how is it he has this talent for scoring own goals?


as Piers said and i concur

"My opinion remains the same - Wenger's not the manager he was. #Arsenal fans who pretend otherwise are completely deluded. Arsenal's board wants cash, not trophies - and Wenger's lost his edge. I've had enough of ostrich fans making excuses for them."
PhonesRe: Android, Anyone? Part II by 4llerbuntu(m): 1:37pm On Oct 31, 2012
notindome: hello fandroids,
i am new to android phone,just got a samsung galaxy y pro duos.i have gone tru some pages but honestly i get confused at some point(moved from a regular phone to android). Pls anybody who can et me know d best ways i can enjoy my phone with regards to emails(yahoo,gmail and outlook exchange),IM's(whatsapp solves this i guess?oda ways are welcomed),creating wifi hotspot with d phone,online streaming and downloads,and security(privacy locks and virus protection if any).
Pls wat is rooting,bricked. Saw a lot mentioned but dont understand. Thanks
like u know there is an invention called google. u use your browser to go to www.google.com

its the first port of call nowadays when looking for info. u can actually ask google questions. like what is rooting? how to setup hotspot on android, what is bricking android, how to setup email on android etc etc etc.


i believe thats what most people do. google does it for free withou getting tired or complaining. its when they dont get answers or dont understand properly that they then ask other people on forums.

because u see other people on forums also have things to do and dont appreciate having to teach people how to wipe their arses after shatting

so why not try asking google.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by 4llerbuntu(m): 11:21am On Oct 31, 2012
i find it strange and really annoying this hook nose french man keeps repeating in public that some comeptitions are not priority. WTF

from the site is this quote again, following the nonsense he was saying at the AGM:

":on if this is one of his greatest victories…

Maybe, yes. I don’t know. It is not one of our priorities but had we gone out - the way we could have gone out in the first half - that would not have been one of my proudest moments at the Club. I’m very happy that we responded the way we did in the second."
u keep saying this rubbish in public but u expect the players to give a shiit when they concede 5 goals?
PhonesRe: Samsung Galaxy III Vs Galaxy Note II by 4llerbuntu(m): 10:58am On Oct 31, 2012
have'nt u heard? BIGGER IS BETTER

Women like it LARGE wink wink wink
CC mrs.chima grin grin grin grin
PhonesRe: RIM/BBM What-if-blackberry-messenger-had-gone-cross-platform by 4llerbuntu(op): 10:36am On Oct 31, 2012
grin grin grin grin

Actually i'm not hating on BB. im hating on the fact they let a good headstart go to waste

and that they sold RUBBISH HARDWARE AND OS for years at premium prices.\


That said lets look at this logically.

1. whatsapp is inferior to BBM, and is just a privacy nightmare with the phone number model


2. almost everyone i know with a bb has installed whatsapp and use it actively on a daily basis


3. BBM and email are the last vestiges of useability that RIM possess on their platform. They have NOT stopped users from migrating away in millions


4. RIM holding on to BBM exclusively smacks of desperation.... and its not even working.


5. By the time BB10 (the much vaunted savior) is out, most folks that will buy it will realise the platform is now lonely AND WILL STILL INSTALL AND USE WHATSAPP ANYWAY


6. BB10 OS is starting to look like what will kill RIM entirely. The way they are betting the whole world on it is laughable. even Microsoft, with their second attempt at Windows Phone has not released a OS that is flawless. i honestly doubt if BB1o will be as good as WIndows Phone 8, much less IOS or Android.


7. Incase you folks still dont get, the third world market is being eroded by budget android and Windows Phones (which will win that market anyway). This market is NOT enough to keep RIM afloat.


8. BBM crossplatform WILL HAPPEN, even if it takes RIM dying off. They simply should have monetised the app across platfroms, besides it will help them retain MINDSHARE WHEN ON OTHER PLATFORMS THE TOP IM APP IS BLACKBERY MESSENGER.

currently whatsapp is the highest downloaded app on the blackberry appworld. go figure



i dont want BIS to die yet, its still helping me minimise costs. grin grin grin its just that the 50 -100 million naira that BIS users pay in nigeria will not keep a company like RIM afloat


6.
PhonesRe: RIM/BBM What-if-blackberry-messenger-had-gone-cross-platform by 4llerbuntu(op): 9:34am On Oct 31, 2012
CONTINUED

Kevin shared a story with me from his future brother in law, demonstrating this problem. He moved to Spain for a year to complete an MBA. When he got there, he observed that most people were using BBM. By the time he left, there had been a sweeping shift towards WhatsApp. From his observations, the recent BlackBerry service interruption that affected Europe served as a catalyst allowing many to abandon their BBs, and from there began to rely on WhatsApp to fill their BBM void with the BBM group functionality they were used to.

Simply put, BlackBerry Messenger is no longer king of the hill. Even with 60 million users, many of these users also use WhatsApp to chat cross-platform, and it seems quite clear from the math that WhatsApp has a larger installed base. Jump into App World right now and you'll see that WhatsApp is the #1 downloaded free BlackBerry app. BBM may have best-in-class features and speed, but WhatsApp definitely appears to be good enough for the masses.


Platform specific apps such as iMessage and BBM have definite value. But they seem unlikely to win out over cross-platform tools. Even Microsoft has taken this into account with Windows 8 by creating the concept of "rooms". Snap that photo of your cute toddler and want to share it with family? No problem. You can send it off to all contacts defined as family and it works across multiple platforms. Want to share a calendar? Same thing.


And of course Microsoft owns Skype, which is already cross-platform. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft merges its Windows 8 rooms with Skype functionality for even better cross-platform leverage. After all, Skype is gigantic and at peak times they host over 40 million users online. They merge the desktop world with the mobile world, which is something iMessage does, but WhatsApp and BBM do not.


So now it's time to ask the hard questions. If RIM had taken BlackBerry Messenger to Android, iOS and even Symbian over a year ago would it have helped device sales? Or would it have acted as a catalyst, speeding up defection away from BlackBerry? We are interested in your thoughts, so comment away.




I firmly believe a cross-platform move would have helped. Obviously, for those who already abandoned BlackBerry, the downside of losing BBM was not enough to stop them. When enough of the influencers leave, the rest follow. Being cross-platform could have stopped a lot of bleeding in my opinion.


Kevin also proposed (and I agree with the view) that cross-platform BBM would have saved RIM a lot of brand tarnish in the USA. Having a kick-ass IM app that was respected on iOS and Android would be a good thing. So even if device sales still lagged (likely), at least the BlackBerry brand would be more intact. Jump into Apple's App Store and at any given moment you'll see WhatsApp as the #1 or #2 top downloaded app. Had BBM gone cross platform earlier, odds are it would have killed WhatsApp and the rest of the cross platform IM client competitors dead before they even had a chance to grow. Instead of WhatsApp, you'd be seeing a BlackBerry logo on the top downloads list of every other app store. And that wouldn't be a bad thing for BlackBerry.

Finally, would a cross-platform implementation of BBM have given RIM more marketing muscle when it comes to the launch of BlackBerry 10? It seems to me the answer is yes. Think of all the folks, who abandoned BlackBerry, who might at least be still using a key BlackBerry application, and therefore more willing to consider switching back.

Discussing a backwards-looking "what if" scenario is tough. We'll never know the right answer. But if the reasons for RIM moving cross platform were good in 2010 or 2011, then I think they are still good today. I'd like to see RIM get back to innovating on BBM and take it cross platform.
PhonesRIM/BBM What-if-blackberry-messenger-had-gone-cross-platform by 4llerbuntu(op): 9:33am On Oct 31, 2012
i remember i had at many times advocated for RIM making BBM cross platform, but the response i usually got from people was that BBM was their sole selling point and that making it cross platform would hurt their sales of Blackberries.....

well they did not make it cross platform, their sales are almost dead, and worst of all BBM has lost its mojo to other less quality cross platform apps


http://crackberry.com/what-if-blackberry-messenger-had-gone-cross-platform

For quite some time now, I've been a firm believer that RIM should release BlackBerry Messenger on other platforms. At first I wasn't sure if they should. But smarter people convinced me.

What prompted this conversation? WhatsApp. That's what. Ever since the startup company launched their multi-platform messaging tool, CrackBerry Nation has been watching its progress.

Calling the growth of WhatsApp "progress" feels like calling Hurricane Sandy "a bit of a storm". They've gone from transmitting 1 billion messages per day in October of last year to over 10 billion messages per day in August 2012. This metric comes from a corporate tweet, in which they announced a new record of "4B inbound, 6B outbound = 10b total messages a day!" It sounds like they are counting a send and a receive as 2 messages, so I'll treat this as 5 billion daily messages. Still, it's a LOT.


Compare WhatsApp to BBM. RIM has 60 million BBM users, according to their most recent metrics. The average BBM user would have to send 83 messages per day to match the volume of WhatsApp.
I don't believe the average is anywhere close to that high, so it seems to me WhatsApp has a far greater user base than RIM. It's also much bigger than iMessage considering Apple claims to have handled a cumulative total of 300 billion iMessages (since its launch).

That's what happens when you go multi-platform. WhatsApp is very likely the world's #1 mobile IM platform.

In my opinion, and I'm not sure if others will disagree, RIM has pretty much stagnated with BBM. The UI hasn't changed in years, though what we have seen of BBM on BlackBerry 10 does look pretty solid. Very few important new features or innovations have happened this decade. RIM's big push has been trying to leverage BBM by creating APIs so that other apps could be BBM-connected. I'm not convinced it has helped them grow their user base. Meanwhile, WhatsApp has improved its initially-lacking service by adding their version of Groups, which has been one of BBM's biggest differentiators. WhatsApp groups now allow for up to 30 people, and you can share pictures, videos, audio notes, contacts and locations.

I also see the size of the user base as being FAR more important than the feature set. Look at SMS. It's basically one feature. Text. Yet the user base is billions, because it's a global standard. The value of network size is well documented. Just look at Metcalfe's Law, which states that the value of a network is proportional to the square of the number of users on that network. Double the users? Four times the value.

WhatsApp grew while being inferior to BBM. [/b]In fact the app has been outed as being totally insecure over Wi-Fi. Unless they've fixed the problem, anyone with a rooted Android app can sniff your conversations. While people should care about this kind of problem, sadly most do not even know about it. They're too busy chatting. Even those who are aware of the security risk are likely to ignore it because the perceived downside of not using the app to connect with friends is worse than the perceived risk of being spied on.

[b]Many BlackBerry users are making the switch to WhatsApp or other cross platform IM clients
(Kik, Hookt, etc.) to be able to chat with friends on non-BlackBerry hardware. But some simply grew frustrated because of the big network failure that hit RIM in Europe. BBM was down for several days for many users. Was this the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back?
PhonesRe: Android, Anyone? Part II by 4llerbuntu(m): 8:59am On Oct 31, 2012
Just occurred to me:

will LG bring in the Nexus 4 to us in nigeria at sane prices? $300 dollars is about 50K.

LG already has strong presence in nigeria!! i sure hope they do
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by 4llerbuntu(m): 8:16am On Oct 31, 2012
but how is the number of shots torres takes related to the number of passes he gets?

i don't get that part. so its now the AM's fault that torres refuses to shoot when given the ball or that he always gives up the ball to the nearest defender under the slightest pressure?

na wah o
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by 4llerbuntu(m): 8:13am On Oct 31, 2012
SailorXY: I'll like to see this line up tomorrow
de gea;

vermijl, wooton, keane, buttner;

fletcher, anderson, cleverley/powell/tunnicliffe;

nani, chicharito, welbeck.
seriously? like never!!! i will bring in the band boys from the kick off. it will be a bloodbath
ComputersRe: Ubuntu Linux by 4llerbuntu(m): 8:06am On Oct 31, 2012
pls why do u need an anti-virus?

and why do u post like an autobot? ekt bear has forgotten more about computers, programming etc than u ever learnt. go through his posts incase u doubt.

moreover from his post its really clear that he knows what WM is, different from what a DE is. which i can gather you dont anyway.

so whats with the textbook defines?

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