Politics › Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by 4Play(m): 8:54am On Sep 07, 2018 |
chronique: So a loan with a 12 years maturity that cumulatively adds up to 43.2% is better than that of a 38 years maturity window and cumulatively adds up to 47.5%? Some of you have no business being in business or discussing anything finance. That line of argument in Somoye's Twitter post was the giveaway that he is an ignoramus. |
Politics › Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by 4Play(m): 8:46am On Sep 07, 2018 |
obailala: I think one point I've gathered from this argument is this; the Chinese give infrastructure and not money, and that already nullifies your argument.
You claim the IMF gives money and monitors what it's used for but the Chinese give without condition?... With all the IMF loans Nigeria and other African countries have received over the decades, how come we still struggle to point out the location of infrastructure these loans were used for?... Whereas on the other hand, the Chinese build infrastructure directly without handing cash over to our kleptomaniac leaders; in Nigeria today we can point out the functional Abuja to Kaduna rail, the Lagos to Ibadan rail, the negotiations for Mambilla are ongoing etc.
After so many decades of enriching klepto leaders who in turn return the stolen funds to western banks, it's amusing that we still have Nigerians who still BELIEVE the IMF actually cares about how the loans they give to Africa are spent. The IMF does not provide loans for infrastructure spending. IMF lending is to deal with emergency situations where a country is facing a balance of payments crisis and needs an infusion of foreign currency. These Chinese loans are not a substitute or alternative to IMF loans. The proper comparison would be with World Bank loans. |
Politics › Re: BREAKING: AlphaBeta MD Dapo Apara Blows Whistle Accuses Firm Of Money Laundering by 4Play(m): 8:41am On Sep 07, 2018 |
Jokerman: So you expect EFCC to go after Tinubu.... Buhari has lost election niyen.... Much of this will prove useful after 2019 elections. People need to think of the long run. After 2019 elections, what leverage would Tinubu's political machine have? |
Foreign Affairs › Re: South Africa Slips Into Technical Recession As GDP Drops 0.7% In Q2 by 4Play(m): 12:34pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
South Africa was also in recession when GEJ was in power, whilst Nigeria was not. Should we then praise GEJ: SA’s Recession: how did we get into this mess? 15:37 10/06/2014 South Africa’s economy plummeted into recession in the first quarter of this year for the first time since a recession in 2009. But how did we get into this mess? And how do we fix it? Analysts blame the current recession on low mining output due to a protracted strike in the platinum belt. But that’s not the whole story.
Gross domestic product fell (GDP) shrank 0.6% quarter-on-quarter in the first quarter after a 3.8% increase in the final quarter of 2013, Statistics South Africa said on May 27, 2014. GDP was dragged into negative territory by a 24.7% plunge in mining production and a 4.4% fall in factory output in the three months through March.[i] The rand fell to a low of 10.4570 against the US dollar on the back of this news, down about 1% on the day, and was still on the back foot at 10.4300. [url] https://m.news24.com/MyNews24/SAs-Recession-how-did-we-get-into-this-mess-20140610 [/url] |
Business › Re: When The Naira Was Stronger Than US Dollar (Throwback) by 4Play(m): 8:14am On Aug 28, 2018 |
wirinet: The strong naira is only part of the problem, the biggest problem is the lack of infrastructure to aid production and manufacturing, so we could not produce what we consume before we even start talking of export. No national currency can thrive on a total power output of 5,000Mw, no railway system and horrible road infrastructure. Good monetary policy should come first before infrastructure. Infrastructure is virtually useless if the monetary policy framework subsidises imports. |
Business › Re: When The Naira Was Stronger Than US Dollar (Throwback) by 4Play(m): 8:06am On Aug 28, 2018 |
wirinet: You are completely wrong. Our problems are caused by ALL our leaders since independence, including Jonathan and Buhari. They ALL lack foresight on how to build a prosperous nations. Awolowo, Zik and Tafa Balewa made foundational mistakes by not investing in developmental infrastructure like power, roads and rail and compounded the problem by not investing in science and technical education. Gowon made it worse by simply blowing away oil windfall of the early 70s. Subsequent governments have been short sighted, inept and corrupt.
No national currency can strengthen when you produce nothing and need foreign currency to import everything, from petrol to tooth pick. Your currency will be in an eternal free fall. Basic economics. You are right. Nigerian economic policies have been fundamentally wrong from day 1. We have been too reliant on state-led development and intervention in markets in a society where state institutions are weak and have no historically string foundation or track record. For instance, the BP (I think it was) refinery was fine until we decided to put it in the hands of corrupt and inept Nigerians in the name of nationalisation. Under the facade of nationalism, much wealth was transferred to the elite. With a corrupt government in power keen to buy off popular support by spending generously through such schemes as the Udorji salary awards, we never invested sufficiently in the infrastructural capacity needed for sustainable development. We spent more on consumption rather than capital goods. |
Business › Re: When The Naira Was Stronger Than US Dollar (Throwback) by 4Play(m): 7:54am On Aug 28, 2018 |
It was the "strength" of the Naira that was its weakness. When the Naira exchange rate is stable despite high inflation - as in the 1970s - it makes our economy uncompetitive and acts like a subsidy of importation. Such a real exchange rate appreciation (inflation adjusted appreciation) is disastrous for the tradable goods sector.
Think of a groundnut exporter in the 1970s whose input costs are rising as labour, transport and fuel become more expensive. Unless the currency depreciates, his business revenues in Naira will stay the same. This will make it impossible to continue to operate such a business. This is effectively what helped crush our non-oil sector. |
Politics › Re: Nigeria’s GDP Growth Rate Shrinks From 1.95% To 1.5% In Q2 – NBS by 4Play(m): 1:30pm On Aug 27, 2018 |
Buhari supporters need to post one of those Venezuela articles in which they tell us that the fact that Nigeria is not as bad as Venezuela is a testament to Buhari's excellent leadership. |
Politics › Re: Nigeria’s Poverty Rate Calls For Worry by 4Play(m): 1:25pm On Aug 27, 2018*. Modified: 4:13pm On Aug 27, 2018 |
Ibukunmer: See above. I want us to go back to region system or split up. Southwest for instance had a good growth period and better HDI in the 60s and late 70s due to the blueprint of Awolowo.
Now we are left with leaders with low Iq who can simply wait for monthly income from the federal government without thinking outside the box.
There's no long term strategy as we don't speak the same language(literally and figuratively speaking). I.e. the advantage of Lagos to Nigeria cannot be overstated but how many ethnic group can approve a massive infrastructural development in Lagos without going up in arms.
Look at the politics behind the distribution of project across Nigeria and the nepotism going on.
I am a Yoruba man, but i cannot but cringe at the staunch defence of guys like Tinubu by fellow Yorubas something of which would never have happened if it's just a Yoruba republic. Tiwa n tiwa is destroying Nigeria as everyone is protecting their own out of pride.
I hope you get the idea.
On a last note, oil and gas has proven to be a curse rather blessing. I think this regionalism/restructuring mantra is unhelpful escapism. Trying to induce national development by focusing on regions is like to trying ensure one's health by focusing attention on a body part. The period you refer to - the 1960s/1970s - saw development across Nigeria largely because the country was emerging from a pre-colonial low base of growth/development and had a commodities boom. Places like the South-East emerged from the civil war damage rapidly without much signs of the war aftermath and absent any system or policy of targeted government assistance. Once oil prices collapsed late 70s and early 80s, poverty rates skyrocketed. Unfortunately, the oil boom had increased dependency on oil by eroding competitiveness in non-oil sectors. That dependence on oil would still have happened through the so-called Dutch disease phenomenon even if the country maintained a regional system of government. I think the policy deficiencies are at the national level. The Awolowo you mentioned along with that generation of policy makers were at the heart of the policy errors. It was them that plumped for this state led industrialisation model - recall indigenisation/nationalisation policies that expropriated foreign capital and placed it in the hands of Nigerian kleptocrats/plutocrats. These economically illiterate policies had long run adverse consequences once the propititious environment that masked their damaging effects no longer applied. |
Politics › Re: Nigeria’s Poverty Rate Calls For Worry by 4Play(m): 1:00pm On Aug 27, 2018*. Modified: 1:26pm On Aug 27, 2018 |
Buhari has made things worse but you are deceiving yourself if you pretend this is solely his fault. You have to look at the whole suite of poverty-inducing policies and governments Nigeria has had.
One of the major ironies of life is that policies ostensibly designed to help the people can be counterproductive: fuel subsidy, state intervention in markets, big public sector pay rises. These allocate money inefficiently, money that could have been used to improve infrastructure and, thus, capacity for economic growth.
Allied to the above is corruption. With politicians determined to embezzle to their heart's delight, much of the country's commonwealth is captured by the privileged few. Of course, corruption interacts with policies to immiserise a country by both creating opportunities for wanton theft and eroding credibility for necessary policies (how can thieving politicians convince people to accept subsidy removal).
We are in a deep mess and I don't see any real prospects of things ever improving on a sustained basis given population growth and an ingrained culture of ineptitude. |
Crime › Footballer Confesses To Incest, Ritual Killing by 4Play(op): 5:36pm On Aug 18, 2018 |
International football player Shiva N'Zigou, who at some point played at the French club Nantes noted that his mother had been killed in a ritual act for him.
In a video, reposted by the Le Chronique du Gabon YouTube channel and apparently first released by a local television channel, former Gabonese forward Shiva N'Zigou addresses the general public revealing his mother was killed for the sake of his football success.
According to Shiva, his father committed the horrendous act as a ritual killing “in the name of his business prosperity,” namely to keep the money his son earned to himself, so that Shiva could then make further progress in football. According to Shiva, the financial aspect had been an issue in the family.
The footballer separately noted that at the beginning of his sports career, his parents faked his ID, changing his name and reducing his age by five years.
Shiva also provided a couple of saucy details about his personal life, saying he had had relationships with men, one of whom he reportedly dated for a year, as well as had “rapports,” or liaisons with his aunt and sister during some religious festivities.
N'Zigou played for multiple football clubs, including French FC Nantes, and rounded off his career in 2016. The player partook in 24 matches as part of the national Gabonese squad from 2000 to 2008, netting five goals. N'Zigou is believed to have been the youngest player in the African Cup championship, reportedly making his debut at the age of 16. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/sputniknews.com/amp/africa/201808171067281677-incest-ritual-killings-gabon-footballer/
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Sports › Re: Turkish Club, Gulspor Sells 18 Players To Buy 10 Goats (Photos) by 4Play(m): 12:13pm On Aug 17, 2018 |
I thought a goat was the transfer fee for Ighalo. |
Politics › Re: Tension in the Villa as Buhari threatens to dump 2nd term bid on health grounds by 4Play(m): 11:26am On Jul 29, 2018 |
This should be moved to the literature/fiction section. Pathetic yellow journalism commonplace in Nigeria |
Politics › Re: Why MKO Abiola Won The 1993 Election, By Naptu2 by 4Play(m): 11:19am On Jul 29, 2018 |
Jakumo: June 12th was the best approximation of a free and fair electoral process that was possible at that critical time when military rule appeared on course for an orderly transition to civilian rule, after decades of dictatorship. The landslide victory recorded for Abiola was attained under peaceful and orderly conditions, with negligible procedural flaws reported. You make an assertion lacking in evidence. There are numerous examples around the world of transitions from lengthy military rule/dictatorship to civilian rule which did not entail political parties created by the incumbent government's diktats. Even in Nigeria, we have the example of 1979 after 13 years of military rule (June 12 was after 10 years of military rule). This is not a criticism of June 12 based on a search for perfection. It is absolutely fundamental to a democratic process that there be freedom of association. That is a bare minimum requirement. It is immaterial that elections are held if the process leading to the elections is flawed and inconsistent with the democratic process. |
Politics › Re: Why MKO Abiola Won The 1993 Election, By Naptu2 by 4Play(m): 10:59am On Jul 29, 2018 |
There are glossed over elements prior to the June 12 elections which expose the absurdity of elevating the elections to an exemplar of free and fair elections. A fundamental principle of democracy is freedom of association. In the 1993 elections, the only 2 eligible parties of NRC and SDP were effectively created by military fiat/decree. Coupled with the bans/restrictions on unfavoured politicians, the process was flawed ab initio.
Fixating on whether the election held on June 12 1993 was free and fair misses the more salient point: this was the culmination of a flawed and autocratic process that fundamentally fell short of democratic standards. Most of us ought to know this and I suspect we would have had the process produced Othman Tofa as the winner. |
Travel › Re: Photos Of The Abuja Airport New Terminal Building by 4Play(m): 10:38am On Jul 29, 2018*. Modified: 11:34am On Jul 29, 2018 |
Ihateyoumod: Now u r praising the Chinese govt....shey wen buhari was travelling to China u were calling him ajala..y do u pple hate development. Now they want to bring back the pple who put them in poverty Not one assertion in this post is true - are you a congenital liar? I am not "praising the Chinese government", I have never criticised Buhari for going to China, I do not want people who put Nigeria in poverty back. This deal was struck and commenced in the GEJ era so it's not clear what Buhari's travels have to do with it. Of course, you are trying to mislead by giving the impression that this was all conceived during the Buhari era. The nature of the deal and the fact of its steady execution illustrates the depth of incompetence and corruption of Nigerian governments. Had it been up to GEJ or Buhari governments to award contracts, it will be heavily inflated and poorly executed (if at all) at snail pace. Of course the Nigerian government will still mess up as these loans would have to be paid back to China. If we default, China would be in a position to take our infrastructure as they did with Sri Lanka:[url] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/world/asia/sri-lanka-china-port.html[/url] NEW DELHI — Struggling to pay its debt to Chinese firms, the nation of Sri Lanka formally handed over the strategic port of Hambantota to China on a 99-year lease last week, in a deal that government critics have said threatens the country’s sovereignty. We will cross that bridge when we come to it. |
Business › Re: Venezuela’s Bolivar Currency Worthless As Inflation Hits 1 Million Percent by 4Play(m): 10:25am On Jul 29, 2018 |
This thread is another BMC propaganda session of: Venezuela's economic troubles serves as evidence of Buhari's strong economic performance. It's a claim that feeds on people's ignorance and I have countered it several times before. Venezuela went into recession and its inflation problems were well known as early as 2013. See example below: June 9, 2013 1:32 pm by Benedict Mander in Caracas
Hyperinflation is looming in Venezuela, with prices suffering their highest monthly rise on record in May, while the economy slides into recession and the popularity of Nicolas Maduro, the new president, wanes. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/b41fbcb4-d0f1-11e2-be7b-00144feab7deDid the people praising PMB today for not turning Nigeria into Venezuela also praise GEJ from 2013-2015 for not turning Nigeria into Venezuela? It's not like Nigeria and Venezuela had similar economic performance until 2015, and suddenly Venezuela diverged for the worse. Venezuela's problems are distinct - stemming from the ill-conceived Bolivarian 'revolution' - long standing and predate the Buhari era. It's a sign of desperation when you praise a government by comparing it to the worst available outlier of an example. Next you will be praising the security situation in Nigeria by comparing us to Somalia. |
Travel › Re: Photos Of The Abuja Airport New Terminal Building by 4Play(m): 2:28pm On Jul 28, 2018 |
Butterflyle0: Doofus you mean like the boro port, ajaokuta link rail and steel mill, 2nd Niger bridge, Our incoming national carrier etc are not being funded by the government of the day or were not awarded by the government?
Oga pack your brain from the floor where you dropped it. You are hardwired to spew nonsense. I just realised I am debating a BMC poster, you and the PDP fan boys are like 2 cheeks of the same leperous butts. None of those projects are on track to be delivered, if at all, on time and at reasonable costs. 2nd Niger bridge and national carrier indeed....you people engage in dishonesty and idiocy like its performance art. |
Travel › Re: Photos Of The Abuja Airport New Terminal Building by 4Play(m): 2:16pm On Jul 28, 2018 |
Butterflyle0: So GEJ negotiated what you call negative based on agreements made and actualization yet you cannot stop praising the same buffoon despite how you just slammed him above.

I did tell you that your foolishness is like the 10th wonder of the world and you jus confirmed it. Ignoramus, can you point out where I am praising GEJ? Both GEJ and PMB, and oafs like you who praise them, are buffoons. This is why the only major construction projects on track in Nigeria are ones where the Nigeria government was not left with the responsibility of awarding the contracts themselves. |
Travel › Re: Photos Of The Abuja Airport New Terminal Building by 4Play(m): 1:59pm On Jul 28, 2018 |
Butterflyle0: I guess the Chinese government came here, took over our government, Negotiated the terms of the project with themselves, authorized the project themselves, gave themselves access to the airport right?
You people shock me with your nonsensical comments. The agreement was reached by the GEJ government - work started during his tenure. Are you now going to start praise-singing GEJ? You have to be an odious nincompoop to think that this arrangement and the manner of its actualization does not cast our governments in negative light. |
Travel › Re: Photos Of The Abuja Airport New Terminal Building by 4Play(m): 1:31pm On Jul 28, 2018 |
Butterflyle0: Another good one. I saw the projected aerial view by the time all is finished and it looked awesome.
This is very commendable.
PMB is making me proud daily.
Soon our national carriers will arrive and I will be even more proud to be a Nigerian with our very own national carrier. The government of China pays Chinese contractors for the work and are to be reimbursed by the Nigerian government. This has nothing to do with PMB. |
Travel › Re: Photos Of The Abuja Airport New Terminal Building by 4Play(m): 1:29pm On Jul 28, 2018 |
The way these projects work is that the Chinese government pay the Chinese construction firms who do the work whilst the Nigerian government will pay back the cost. This way, the Nigerian government is not entrusted with the money. This is why they are on track to be delivered whoever is in Aso Rock. |
Politics › Re: "The Nigeria Air MUST FAIL" - Oby Ezekwesili by 4Play(m): 10:00pm On Jul 19, 2018 |
mogul555: The government has just 5 % stake,she should keep her curse to herself. Name the holders of the 95% stake. |
Career › Re: How Nlc’s Picketing Of MTN Violated Global ILO Rule by 4Play(m): 11:42pm On Jul 12, 2018 |
airsaylongcon: This long epistle is a hatchet ghost writer for MTN
Has MTN not in itself violated ILO on unionism? Mtn that uses overt and covert threats to staff who dare join union aren't in violation of ILO rules? NLC no even picket dem reach Unemployment is extremely high, but you guys are busy waging war on the few major private sector employers. By doing this, you deter investors from coming in who already have to cope with obstacles like insecurity, poor infrastructure, skills shortage, e.t.c |
Crime › Re: Nigerian Man Assassinated In South Africa By Gunmen. Graphic Photos by 4Play(m): 11:35pm On Jul 12, 2018 |
superemmy: My problem is mostly our government's total unwillingness to act up. Why are Mtn and shoprite not sanctioned for their unending infractions?
Why is Dstv left to operate with a monopoly unrivalled by any Nigerian firm or operating services?
Why is the Nigerian government refusing to indigenise the south African companies and block their unhindered foreign exchange repartriation back to their country?
I blame Nigeria's soft stance towards this issue? If even at home, the Government doesn't regard the sanctity of human life, how then can they protect it overseas?
Buhari You have failed. By now a normal government supposed to withdraw embassy and issue international threats of equal violent reactions. It's funny seeing people suggesting that we exact revenge by taking action against foreign investors like MTN, Shoprite and Multichoice. We need foreign investors desperately. Without them, Nigerians will be condemned to flocking to countries like South Africa where their lives will snuffed out. |
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Crime › Re: Man Who Raped 13-year-old Girl And Infected Her With HIV, Bribes With #200, 000 by 4Play(m): 11:23am On Jul 06, 2018 |
LordsApostle: This is the typical Nigerian behaviour, everybody so wicked and inhumane, always in search of things to water their pockets, and build big house in their village, at the expense of the next man, even if that will cost the next man grevious pain, it doesn't concern you as far as u are making money from it. It's devastating, do not think this is just limited to the police, it is an average Nigerian mentality, go to state ministries and see what happens there.. Same reason why many countries hate Nigerians and wouldn't want to see them close to their country, even neighbouring countries, because we take these stupid criminl traits outside and think it is tolerated in saner climes... We keep up parading and flaunting it in society brazingly, not seeing anything wrong with it, we call it "smartness" but in reality you are just being, selfish, criminal and wickedly heartless.. Yet, everyone is quick to point Buhari, we think Buhari is our problem, the problem is us, Nigerians are terrible people and No country on earth can ever advance with such terrible,wicked,greedy,coveteous group of people... Ironically, Na we go church pass; talk about hypocrisy and foolishness....
We are our own problem. You are right. Our leaders don't emerge in a vacuum. They are a reflection of the people/society they emerge from us. In other words, they reflect us and they do what the average Nigerian will do if given power. |
Romance › Re: Male Brothel Opens In Port Harcourt by 4Play(m): 9:55am On Jun 20, 2018 |
Nairaland has become a frenzied promoter of fake news produced by internet-traffic hungry bloggers. It's an interesting business model as Nairaland grew in the early years by avoiding fake news. |
Romance › Re: Lady Refuses To Remove Her Nose Ring As She Is Set To Meet Her Fiance's Parents by 4Play(m): 8:43am On Jun 18, 2018 |
Chi59: Feminist or not, he saw and fell in love with her despite the nose ring. Wouldn't it feel like she lied if she removes it for his parents sake only to put it on after the wedding?
He knows his parents doesn't like 'such ladies'. Why then did he fall in love with her? At the risk of sounding antediluvian, making adjustments to create a good first impression is a rational strategy people follow for a range of things: job interview, first dates, e.t.c. Those adjustments are not intended to be permanent but a way of getting over humans tendency (irrational tendency) to make definitive judgements about people based on first impressions. |
Literature › Re: Dana Loesch Slams Chimamanda Adichie Over Chivalry Comment by 4Play(m): 5:41pm On Jun 16, 2018 |
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Family › Re: Transformation Of 3 Children Tortured In Akwa Ibom After Being Tagged Witches by 4Play(m): 1:32pm On Jun 16, 2018 |
magicminister: WHAT ARE ALL THE BILLIONS OF CHURCHES IN NIGERIA DOING TO HELP THE PEOPLE?? BESIDES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHICH OTHER CHURCH HAS GONE OUT OF ITS WAY TO MEANINGFULLY AND POSITIVELY IMPACT THE LIVES OF THE DOWNTRODDEN IN OUR SOCIETY? You would think all those churches would be able to "exorcise" the so called witches from the children's bodies. They are only good at exorcising money from their congregants' bank accounts. |
Politics › Re: Why Buhari May Not Sign 2018 Budget – Minister, Udoma by 4Play(m): 12:14pm On May 21, 2018 |
Mogidi: Oil is now over $80 yet Buhari's padded budget says $45. It's a good thing we are using a more conservative number. This is what the legislators did under GEJ. If oil prices collapse again, you will start hearing: Buhari refused to save. |