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Adakintroy2:
Don't be too predictable with your thoughts.

Try ask why the burden of adultery rest on women first then get a rational answer before you proceed.

Sexism? Misogyny, perhaps?

Why would it rest on the killed woman in this case?
She wasn’t the one married and who promised in church “before man and God” to be faithful. SMH
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EKO ONI BAJE!
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Generalnomercy:
He should be quarantined asap.

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onegig:
You should take time to tune into an international TV station and see how world over people would always be irresponsible except their is a catch. Maybe you go learn a bit of human psychology. The concept of needs, wants and motivation. No human would do what is necessary except there is an higher motivation/reward/punitive measure to do what is right. Every single action is weighed between what is in the best interest of the individual. It is human nature. You would expect a government with their head screwed right in to understand this basic thing and understand how volatile Corona is and how highly contagious it is. If i were to follow your logic we should remove traffic lights on roads as humans should be able to "self behave" and citizens should naturally be "responsible".

Lawlessness of Citizens you say? when the government hasn't been responsible to the citizens from the start.?The average Ajegunle vulcanizer shouldn't be suffering the effects of government ineffectiveness when he doesn't even have a bank account let alone passport to travel outside the shores of the country.

The question you should be asking the government is....95% of cases were returning travellers , why are you just forcing isolation now? From the start the major challenge was to avoid local transmission and we failed in that. Shows you they failed in their assessment and risked the lives of millions of Nigerians with their ineptitude. How do you contact trace thousands? With the way country is packed?

As for testing, information out there speaks to the contrary.I hope these measures turn out effective and we come out successful at the end but deep down I honestly feel we already passed that bus stop and only a Vaccine can stop this. Which points back to my stance the government dropped the ball on this.

Bros, I don’t need to turn into any international station to know that human actions have consequences...
If people do not want to take responsibility for their own well-being, they will suffer the consequences accordingly.

Meanwhile, citizens make nations and not vice versa...
Most Nigerians seem to expect the benefits of citizenship without its responsibilities (doubt your fabled “Ajegunle vulcanizer” pays taxes).

#TakeResponsibilty

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ariketalks:
1. They value their citizens, unlike the rogues y’all call representatives who voted against the evacuation of Nigerians in Wuhan.
2. Your politicians are greedy, your hospitals are poorly equipped, medical staff are underpaid and unprotected hence it is safe to assume many will lack motivation to provide medical services.

They may have ”other“ reasons but on the surface, it’s one or all of the above.

Regarding the Nigerians in Wuhan...
The best course of action in a pandemic is to not to move people from an affected region to a non-affected region.
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nueleoi:
its simply bcus they know we dont have a data centre, they dont trust our statistics with regards the pandemic, for crying out loud we dont know many we are as as a nation, talkless of knowing the number of corona cases and lastly they dont trust our healthcare system. PERIOD!!!.

The US does not know the number of its Covid-19 cases either...
The only way to do so is to test everyone, and NO nation has that capacity so far.
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cococandy:
They are probably afraid that if any of them get really really sick, they won’t have any ventilators to help them breathe. Makes sense

Ironically, at the same time, there are charter flights flying in Americans...

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/03/a-us-chartered-flight-lands-at-lagos-airport/
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uchman:
The answer is on the last paragraph...

We joke with everything in this country.
Those countries evacuating their citizens has been in this Covid 19 war before us,
they know exactly that this is not war female run,
holding their breast...

We are not serious here...
There supposed to be lockdown yesterday in Anambra state but my people moves around freely,
just that markets closed.

I was imagining this lockdown to be what I used to see on Facebook in other countries where you wont even see 1 person on the street but everybody was moving freely yesterday...

Me I even go mechanic go repair my car but we still dey lockdown...

That’s the thing about COVID-19 though...
NOBODY has seen anything like it before, and EVERYONE is making things up as they go along.

Just a few weeks ago, Trump thought it was a ‘hoax’ that would go away in a few weeks...
And even last week, he was still thinking and saying the worst should be over by Easter and normalcy resumes.
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So far, over 25,000 US citizens have been repatriated from various countries...

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Most Western countries are repatriating the citizens from EVERYWHERE...
The policy of the USG is to organize flights for citizens who want to return from abroad, and thousands have returned from Europe.

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onegig:
Fast one? It is the citizens that would enforce self isolation requirements or rules on returnees from high risk countries? The citizens have less than 10% to do in this.

Countries like Singapore enforced stringent rules and even went digital. You get a wrist band fixed after landing and you mark a space as self isolation square. You move metres out of the perimeter and you are fined heavily.

But here we were given a blank cheque to roam around
without punitive measures. Even public officials returning were seen roaming the country.

We should be scaling up tests and isolation and contact tracing but till today we don't even know how many tests has been carried out. That's how you contain this and none is in the hands of citizens

See subsection (4) below...
#TakeResponsibility

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onegig:
Fast one? It is the citizens that would enforce self isolation requirements or rules on returnees from high risk countries? The citizens have less than 10% to do in this.

Countries like Singapore enforced stringent rules and even went digital. You get a wrist band fixed after landing and you mark a space as self isolation square. You move metres out of the perimeter and you are fined heavily.

But here we were given a blank cheque to roam around
without punitive measures. Even public officials returning were seen roaming the country.

We should be scaling up tests and isolation and contact tracing but till today we don't even know how many tests has been carried out. That's how you contain this and none is in the hands of citizens

Yes...
SELF-isolation by its very definition requires SELF-enforcement!

Meanwhile, where did you get the notion that Nigeria is not "scaling up tests and isolation and contact tracing"? New molecular labs are being opened, the existing labs have themselves scaled up through process engineering (ie, going from their regular 1 8-hour shift to 3 8-hour shifts, and thus are now operational for 24 hours daily), more test kits and equipment are being imported, new isolation centers (as well as ICUs) are being opened up in all of the states, and the very essence of the lockdown (as stated in the Quarantine Order) is to enhance contact tracing.

Nonetheless, the notion that coercive policing is the only way to get ADULTS to protect not only their own health but also their own families and communities is a sad commentary on the lawlessness and irresponsibility of the citizenry. #TakeResponsibility
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Kenn55:
While money is good, the most important resource in times like this is infrastructure and technology. At some point, you will have the money but you might not be able to buy as countries put restrictions on their export to ensure that they can meet up their local demand. It is already happening now.

A lot of US,UK, Canada and most European companies have retooled and are now producing ventilators, test kits, vaccines and other equipment for their front line workers. This is what they were not doing before because they were importing them from China. But as demand skyrocket and China cannot even meet up demand coupled with the fact they have their own problem, they had to start manufacturing by force.

The question is how could they have retooled and started manufacturing? The answer is because even though they were not manufacturing before now, they had the technical know how and infrastructure to support manufacturing. So while some countries will be trying to import supplies because they don't have the capacity to manufacture, others will produce from within to meet their demand at least till the crisis is over and this is the key to overcome a pandemic like this. Right now, we are relying on money which is not even enough.

I hope that when all this is over, Nigerians will take development seriously because lack of development is dangerous.

First, if you cannot retool you should buy...
Second, even retooling requires lots of money.

BETTER is a good thing...
Perfection should NOT be the enemy of the good.
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Wisdomkosi:
BREAKING!!! SARS Arrest Fully Loaded Bus Carrying Children To Unknown Destination In Abia (Photos)
By Wisdom Nwedene, Umuahia

The officers of the Special Anti-Robbery Squad(SARS) have arrested a fully loaded bus carrying children to an unknown destination in Abia State.

Igbere TV reports that the ugly incident happened at Umuikaa Junction in Abia State.

According to Alfred Prince who shared the report to Igbere TV correspondent, trouble started when the children told the SARS operatives that they have no destination as they don't know where they were being taken to.

According to him, "the driver on being tortured by the men of SARS said he was taking them to a camp because of the corona virus."

He said : "Parents and guardians please be warned. This is what happened at umuikaa by tollgate this morning."

"The men of Nigerian police force SARS, stopped and arrested a moving bus with more than 15 children inside."

"On interrogation the children confirmed that they have no destination as they don't know where they were being taken to. The driver on being tortured by the men of SARS said he was taking them to a camp because of the corona virus."

"Parents has been advised to be careful with their children in this time of trials and temptation."

Meanwhile, as at the time of filing this report, efforts to speak with the SARS operatives proved abortive.

Source : http://igberetvnews.com/1345504/breaking-police-arrest-fully-loaded-bus-carrying-children-unknown-destination-abiaphotos/

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Oga, most of your citizens do not have access to clean water...
Do less of the photo opportunities and more of your job please. Thanks
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Honeydenz:
Ada is lying... Nobody came to the house with any knife, it's all a calculated lie to evade justice. The knife was used by Ada and it's her own knife not happiness's own. Instead of being remorseful she's lying on an innocent dead girl in order not to go to a temporary jail, what of the poor girl that has gone to permanent jail (the grave)? Hypocrites!!

Frankly, I share the same suspicion...

As I said above, hopefully the police are conducting a proper investigation...
Just not rational that she would take a knife to go attack a client's wife. More rational that the wife attacked her.
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Adakintroy2:
Because 1 she be ashawo..2 she commited adultry.

Two cadinal sin as far as human spirit is concern. So now here is the judgement. The soul that sinneth shall die.

Thou shall not committed adultry. Many don't know the law of the bible is to protect us from arm.

If the bible says one must not committed adultry, is not about you perse. It's about what the other person you grief might likely do to you.

If they tell you Don bear false with mess against thy neighbor and you ignore it and lie for my head. Guy you no Wan know wet in I go do you.

Going by your post...
Presumably the man should also be killed for adultery.
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I hope the Nigeria Police is conducting a proper investigation...
It's a bit too convenient that the dead woman supposedly took a knife to her CUSTOMER's house.
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onegig:
We were shouting lockdown the borders or force quarantine returnees or return them back as far back as January someone said i was paranoid.

If you have ever been under curfew due to any crisis in Nigeria you would understand why most of us were shouting ourselves hoarse.

There is not a single care about what happens to the citizens. Forget all those isolation centers , you are more likely to even contact much more diseases there than leave feeling better. We have zero medical records , zero database , non functional health care systems.

A country where pregnant women and accident victims are carried in Ubers or Okada to ER is what you want to tackle a ravaging virus that hugs resources?

In Lagos there is like a ration of like 500,000 to one Ambulance. Just wrap your head around that fact.

If you don't have a strong healthcare system, the next best thing is to have fast one...
If Nigerians do what the NCDC has asked of them, self-isolate and distance, COVID-19 will be stifled before it gets going.

Yet again, this will not be a case of "government this, NCDC that"....
EVERYONE has a role to play, and the conduct of ALL residents will ultimately determine COVID-19's impact on Nigeria.

Good luck to us all.
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Correcto:
I am more concerned she isn't getting food which is very important. Now she is even needs an adequate diet not just food.

A diet (not just food) is always important...
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emperor863:
As expected, the nation is approaching a period of emergency. What this means is that we possibly have tens of thousand infected people within the country.

This, to me is a clear case of government failure because the country had two clear months to put all these structures on ground even before the first case was detected over a month ago.

I hereby suggest that all those suspected to have made contact with infected persons should named (instead of them being numbers) and such named should be made public.

This will serve two purposes;

In the case of some of them who are unaware of their covid - 19 status, they will be aware.

In the case of those that are aware of their covid 19 status but are deliberately declining to come forward for testing, the community will isolate them and the country will be spared the possibility of recording infections of hundreds of thousands, just like in Italy and Spain.

These are indeed though times but majority is us are not yet in tune with the reality.

EMMAUGOH:
lol u still counting in thousands.. Talk of millions. But am still trying to understand why we have not start recording major breakdown with the carriers.

U know we expect the west to tell us everything. Even South Korea have fewer death because of let's say they have been battling different virus for years.

But here in Africa we have been malaria which syntoms are not far off from Covid 19 but then we have been getting treated for malaria almost every year.

Is there a line where we can say Africa have been treating malaria for years and might not experience Covid 19 like countries which might have never treated malaria for years.

I just want this to be true. Many expert belive Africa will receive the highest hit but we will know soon..

Refer to my more detailed post immediately above...
Though highly-infectious, COVID-19 is not airborne and thus requires CLOSE personal contact for infection.

The medical evidence so far is that, unless a person has underlying health issues, the COVID-19 virus has a less than 14-day lifespan. Accordingly, 2 or 3 WEEKS OF COMMUNITY-BASED ISOLATION AND SOCIAL-DISTANCING SHOULD BREAK THE CHAIN OF INFECTION! Among those persons infected, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY (about 80% or more) will be asymptomatic (that is, not show any symptoms) or have only mild to moderate symptoms (of course they still need to be isolated so they do not infect their families and others). Nonetheless, the greatest danger of COVID-19 has been the rapid rate of infection, which raises the danger that many cases at the same time will overwhelm the healthcare system with sheer numbers. Lacking a vaccine, isolation and social distancing is the best practical tool to flatten the infection curve.
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ybalogs:
Believing the figures being peddled around in the media as regards Nigeria's Covid19 patients is like believing FFK. Just stay home guys and be safe.

cruxgemmata:
Test people at random. U go shock

wunmi590:
I'm in total support of this idea,

Yes there are lots of Nigerians roaming the street with this deadly disease, but they don't know, and the government are not helping matter to provide the necessary testing kit for NCDC to make testing the citizens easier for them, despite the fact that alot of people have donated alot of money to fight this COVID-19.

It is high time we raise that we have a lot of people with the disease, than what the media is portraying it to be.

#StaySafe

Tpave:
Many people are roaming different states with the virus. This week and next week will prove this because hundreds of people will test positive. At least the government is making a lot of effort to curtail and cushion the effect. I just hope the citizens will hear word and abide by the rules

Angelfrost:
Might??! You people are still living in denial... Lol.

Lagos can't be less than 5000 cases now. Her close neighbors should not be that far back.

As I wrote on this forum recently, while COVID-19 is a novel (new) coronavirus...
Thus far it shows the same lifespan as other coronaviruses (such as the flu, etc.).

The medical evidence so far is that, unless a person has underlying health issues, the COVID-19 generally has a less than 14-day lifespan. Accordingly, 2 or 3 WEEKS OF COMMUNITY-BASED ISOLATION AND SOCIAL-DISTANCING SHOULD BREAK THE CHAIN OF INFECTION! Even in those who have the virus but are asymptomatic (that is, not showing any symptoms), the virus will work its way out of the system in about 14 days or less (again, unless there are other underlying health issues). Furthermore, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of confirmed cases (about 80%) will recover and many confirmed cases will only have mild symptoms. It's a virus, but the greatest danger with COVID-19 has been the high and fast rate of infection, which raises the danger that many cases at the same time will overwhelm the healthcare system with sheer numbers.

In effect, given Nigeria’s relatively scarce testing resources (not just the proper equipment, kits and molecular labs, but most importantly the reagents that are currently in relatively short supply because about EVERY country on the face of the earth is sourcing for the same reagents), it matters less that everyone is not being tested or cannot be tested (NO nation on earth has thus far shown to possess the capacity to do so), or that people are not being “randomly” tested and that there might be myriad asymptomatic folks out there, but rather matters more that (in addition to targeting and utilizing the relatively few resources that we have wisely) we use SELF-ISOLATION and SOCIAL DISTANCING to slow the rate of cross-infection (most asymptomatic carriers will never know that had it before it leaves their system), flatten the curve of the infection rate (so that it does not overwhelm our rickety healthcare system) and ultimately break the chain of infection.

This NOT going to be one of those cases of "government this, NCDC that"...
This time EVERYONE has a role to play, and our COLLECTIVE conduct will determine COVID-19's impact on Nigeria! Good luck to us all!
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Correcto:
What you said is just funny but let me verify something. Are you saying foods are not meant to be giving in Isolation centres? Are saying it is right not to fed her because she is asymptomatic? Please note: Food is needed both in the ICUs and Isolation centres for both symptomatic and asymptomatic persons.

Of course not...
Everyone needs food, wherever you are.

We all need food whether or not we are sick...
But if she is completely asymptomatic her immune system is not substantively any more compromised than anyone else’s.

Perhaps your post was not the best to comment on...
But my comment was more concerned with the entirety of the Dad’s complaint.
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PlayerMeji:
Bro, my head is having headache with these big big English..

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Correcto:
Lack of food is may running her immunity down already. The emotional stress from not see any medical expert to attend to her may be running down her immunity. They virus can thrive in her body now easily than before.

Isolation Centers are not ICUs...
She might be asymptomatic, but still isolated so that she doesn’t affect her family and others.

In fact, in many places, motels and dorms are used as isolation centers...
I understand a parents’ reflexive distress, but we really need more information to make any informed comment.
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Fweshspice:
Nigeria isn't ready for this virus yet.. Like WTF!!!
Anyone who believes the Bollocks reports from the NCDC is a plain dummy... Now I'm getting Scared for real

You more likely to die of fear than of COVID-19...
Not least because 80% of the infected are asymptomatic or only suffer mild symptoms.

If folks do EVERYTHING the NCDC says, they will be okay...
Basic hygiene, social isolation and distance, report symptoms.

It’s NOT an airborne virus...
So you have to be in CLOSE contact with an infected person to get infected.

This will not be a case of “government this, NCDC that”...
The actions of EVERYONE will determine the impact of COVID-19 in Nigeria.

Good luck to us all.
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It’s a DISSERVICE not to name the Isolation Center involved...

The states are responsible for setting up their Isolation Centers...
So those comments disparaging ALL of Nigeria are wide off the mark.

Here are the comments of the young lady at the Isolation Center in Yaba...
And it appears that there care and treatment (even the food) was top-notch.

EKO ONI BAJE!

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SharpJoe:
Lockdown means nothing without testing, isolating and treating infected ones.
We need mass testing for Covid-19 virus in Nigeria. Not Lockdown alone.

Are we not “testing, isolating and treating infected cases”?
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A LAGOS COVID-19 DISCHARGEE TELLS HER STORY...

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Ghostmode2two:
What gives you the impression that the food stuff the government is distributing to them is the kind of food all the aged people within that age bracket in Lagos eat? Don't be myopic!

Let’s, just for the sake of argument, suppose it is not...
So you want them to give them the “wrong” medicine to go with the wrong food?!

Medicine is not fungible as food. If they don’t like/want the food, they can always give it to the rest of the family or friends, but not so with medication. While I realize that many of you folks simply get your medicine from the local ‘Patent Medicine Store’ and hope for the best, there’s a reason that doctors’ prescriptions are mandatory for most medication. Next, you folks will start blaming “village people”. SMH
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jericco1:
Federal Government are testing mainly the elites while leaving the masses to the mercy's of tracing. Now they're saying that testing is expensive, seems the billions been donated will end up in someone's pockets!

ybalogs:
Where do we get tested?

PlayerMeji:
I thought as much, the reason why the numbers is meagre is because it's been rich men they have been testing all these while...

marztar:
This one that they are already complaining that the test cost 10k.

Test more not just the rich.

The only nexus between wealth or social status and testing is that COVID-19 is an imported disease and thus far has come primarily from those “wealthy” enough to have traveled abroad and brought it back with them, and their contacts. Of course, we are now entering the community-transmission phase of infections as some of those contacts may begin to infect others within their various communities and/or families.

The principal constrain on widespread testing thus far, apart from suitable testing apparatus and labs (COVID-19 testing is a molecular test, and thus requires molecular labs), which are reportedly being set up or scaled up, has been the relative scarcity of the proper reagents. You can have thousands of test kits but without reagents, you cannot conduct a single accurate test - and of course EVERY country is in the market for same.

Thus far, NO country (not even China or South Korea) has the capacity to test everyone or everyone who simply wants a test. In Nigeria’s case, given its relatively scarce testing resources at present (particularly the reagents), it’s made the decision to only test those with the HIGHEST risk of infection - that is, those persons (1) returning from abroad and their close contacts, (2) who develop SYMPTOMS of the disease.
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