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grandstar:
The Saudi situation was different. There are no similarities at all

The Saudi case was a lady caught for drug trafficking by the security forces and sentenced to death by the courts. This was not a faceless and murderous like it was in South Africa.

South Africa is different. These are spontaneous attacks on defenseless foreigners by a murderous crowd. The South African police can not even reduce the high crime rate there, is it xenophobic attacks they can now stop.

These attacks will continue. Perhaps, only if international pressure from the West, especially from the US can progress begin to happen.

The US will also have to the give the South African government some carrot such as a large amount of aid and also freer access for South African made products to enter into the United States.

Keep making excuses....
How many non-Fulani Nigerians on death row in S/Arabia (and elsewhere) were rescued before that woman?

Meanwhile, while making excuses for a clueless inept regime on the same continent...
You want the US to come all the way from America to rescue Nigerians, instead of your government?! SMH
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Asour:
I follow you and perfectly respect your views.

But I think I would Partly disagree here.

For one, Nigeria's law enforcement systems are highly flawed. Transparency may sound good but publicity (brought upon by transparency sometimes can be damaging).

What stops them from going through a thorough investigation/profiling before arousing public apprehension.

Any Nigerian. Any Nigerian. Who thinks 120something Northerners coming to Lagos (or any other state) is something unique/strange is totally Ignorant about internal migration in Nigeria.

You don't need to travel too much to see these guys move in their numbers (on trucks) to various states across the Country in search of greener pastures.

Excessive publicity (AKA Transparency) may be good in many matters of public interest, but care has to be taken.
In a country with massive enlightenment deficits (including amongst the very educated) any publicity can sway large groups into making crazy conclusions — leading them right into the arms of bad actors.

Personally, I recognize the police power to arrest/hold but I think in this case nothing stops them from quietly investigating these guys and — arresting them if they're found wanting.

Ironically that's what lends credibility to this incident...

The fact that (according to news reports) many ordinary citizens and the Police, who are transferred and live in many different locations across this vast country, found something unusual about this group to apprehend and bring them in for questioning is telling in of itself.

Nonetheless, TRANSPARENCY is always a good thing. That's the reason that the Constitution mandates a PUBLIC criminal justice process. It would have been far worse if these dudes were arrested in secret and interrogated in secret. The rumours alone could be catastrophic.

Nothing sanitizes better than the broad daylight of a PUBLIC process!
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Officialgarri:
If that's their wish, then grant it.
I can swear to it that Nigerians in south Africa are majorly into Fraud and drugs. I didn't read it. I know it with facts.

If they accuse us of such, they are actually saying the truth,
and we ought to cover our face in shame and return home for always embarrassing ourselves everywhere we go.

South Africa is not same as Nigeria where a state will be arrogantly claimed by another set of people from a far different region.

South Africans are lazy and Nigerians have seized the chance to snatch people's girls and wives.

How do you know this? Do you live in South Africa?
And if you do, are you also "majorly into fraud and drugs"?

Let me guess, you are one of the few exceptions... smh
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pawesome:
so there is a kind of travel that is unusual... Wonderful

But of course, there is...

Without prejudice to this particular case (as I am not privy to how these dudes travelled, except that it must have been peculiar enough for several ordinary citizens to have reportedly voiced unease even before the Police apprehended them), but if you travel in the trunk (boot) of a car, on the bonnet of a car, on top of a car and in a sealed container, that would be considered by most rational people as an "unusual" kind of travel. So also would those many Nigerians who have taken to riding on top of commuter trains (apparently to avoid paying carriage fares) - even though in Nigeria these days what is easily recognized as unusual in many civilized parts of the world has sadly become 'normal' to us in Nigeria!
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1shortblackboy:
what's your point please

There's nothing wrong or "unconstitutional" about publicly exposing/parading criminal suspects...

At the fundamental CORE of the criminal justice process is OPENNESS and TRANSPARENCY, and that is why the constitution itself provides for (and guarantees) a PUBLIC process, including a PUBLIC trial. The public apprehension and/or arrest (and even the so-called "parade" - which is colloquially referred to in the US as the "perp walk" ) is NOT a pronouncement or finding of legal guilt, nor does it affect the constitutional presumption of INNOCENCE which burden the State can only be overcome in a properly-constituted court of law with legally-sufficient evidences of proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT! These effectively "PR" stunts by Police and other law enforcement bodies virtually across the Globe may be designed to grant comfort to the population regarding the efficacy of law enforcement but has NO substantive effect on the rights of suspects. Let's quit wasting our time in Nigeria chasing shadows in derogation o substance.
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1shortblackboy:
I think the police were right to detain and interrogate them. But the problem is Nigeria police love for media. This culture of parading people before cameras is illegal and unconstitutional

You mean like the 67 Nigerian fraud suspects arrested by the FBI in the US?
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mysteriousman:
Nice development but if they weren't held in detention beyond the number of days the law stipulates then they have no case but if they were compensation is coming there way

The police can detain anyone for up to 48 hours without charge...
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Thor2025:
I don't care if mallam nor get sense or nor know book, these people did not deserve to and should never have been treated like that. The cameras and all weren't necessary. It just appeared like they already assumed that they were probably extremists and decided to make a mockery of them. I blame the president in all of this. He's virtually non-existent and his reluctance to tackle the security issues is breading fear and suspicion in every quater.

Meanwhile, follow my signature if interested in making money through Fiverr.

What is this Nigerian obsession with secrecy, and doing everything undercover?
TRANSPARENCY is a GOOD thing, and it’s GOOD all this was done PUBLICLY and above board.
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NEXT LEVEL...
What LASG gets for detaining Buhari’s voters.
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alezzy13:
You obviously have no idea of the implications of what your saying.

You are obviously the one who has no clue...

For instance, if a CEO or CFO (authorized signatories for companies) sign a contract...
Against the contractual counter-party, courts don’t care if the Board approved the contract.

The company (through the Board or shareholder(s)) could successfully sue such CEO/CFO...
But it is IRRELEVANT to the rights of an innocent third-party. Similarly, with FEC approval here.
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tsdarkside:
hey hey....full stop their....

Michael Aondooakaa, former attorney general of the federation (AGF), says the gas contract awarded to Process and Industrial Developments Limited (P&ID) was not approved by the federal executive council.

this statement is all we should care about....

Yes, YOU Nigerians should care about it...
But it makes NO DIFFERENCE to the arbitration or judgment.

So long as the signatories are authorized persons...
Issues of your internal “corporate governance” process cannot be visited on an external party.
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9jatriot:
If the so called agreement was signed in Nigeria they should come and use a Nigerian court or go to International arbitration court not a local court in UK

Nope! It depends on what the contract itself provides...

Meanwhile, as usual, we are struggling to shut the barn door after the animals have already bolted. This dispute and the arbitral (and subsequent court) process lasted for several years, and it’s only now after judgment/order that we are presenting our defenses. SMH
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ednut1:
In the 70s and 80s some people snubbed chances to go to usa and uk because they believed in nigeria . Today some of them dey regret. As for me and my unborn. Its canada or nothing

You think the US of the 1970s is the same as the US of these days for Nigerians/Africans?

Our parents/grandparents who ventured to the US back in the 1970s were sometimes the only Nigerians/Africans in the school or even state, city, county, or neighbourhood. When they wanted goat meat, they had to go out to farms in the boondocks to kill and butcher the goat themselves. Instead of eba or poundo with good Nigerian soup, they had to settle for Farina or wholewheat with a "soup" of spinach. When they needed to make a call, it was usually the most EXPENSIVE expenditure of the month (most could not even afford to call once a month) because the volume/traffic of calls to Africa didn't justify cheaper rates, and there were no Nollywood or Nigerian/African music or entertainment.

These days, you can emigrate to "in the abroad" and not only have state meetings but can even join a VILLAGE union, go to as many Naija parties and weddings as you please, as well as enjoy all of the culinary (eating) and entertainment choices as if you never left Naija - and can chat even with people in the remotest Nigerian villages on telephone, FaceTime or Whatsapp, without breaking the bank!
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Mizwisdom:
Nigeria is overpopulated, allow people to migrate in peace!!! this is not an issue because our population is too large already.

We don't mind poor uneducated people emigrating...
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TheDestroyer:
Lmao, one stupid oyinbo will just sit down somewhere and compile rubbish and some dumb Nigerians will believe. So pretoria in South Africa where people get robbed in broad day light or soweto is safer than lagos? Why the obsession with Nigeria though? Always wanting to attach everything negative to Nigeria because they know most nigerians have no self worth and hate the country so they'd believe.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!
Bless you and your progeny in perpetuity!

The sad thing is that many Nigerians reared under a cram-and-regurgitate "repeat-after-me" system of education (and public discourse) will just simply start repeating this drivel, seemingly lacking the capacity for INDEPENDENT inquiry, thought and/or opinion. SMH
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mrgoodd:
Money is good oo, Since I resign from my factory work to start my business even thou am not rich like that, My skin has changed and I started glowing , I am turning light skinned gradually, I no get Vaseline for house talkless of Whitening cream, That was when i remember my mum was light, Poverty can transform your life to anything, Anything is possible when no one is in control of your life , Spend your money abeg.

As if that's a good thing...
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Caseless:

here she admitted committing the crime.
here she pleaded not guilty. She wants to waste the time of the court. This will cost her more.

Sergioaguero:
She agreed to police that she did it, if not, some ppl can claim their account was hacked. Or she use a public network to open another account, and defame. To defame is punishable under law in penal code, under cyber crime again.

descartes400:
Lawyers in the house, local man does not understand....please explain...how can a person commit an offense, an offence he admitted committing and yet pleads not guilty to the charge in court as per the OP story

Telling the police that you committed an act....
Is not synonymous with criminal liability under the law.

It'a like telling police investigators that you shot someone...
But pleading not guilty in court on the grounds of self-defense.
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eazzzy1:
There are things to do to recover a debt, the secretary should have approached the court to help her collect her money. The damages social media will do to his person and business can cost him a huge loss.

I hope the court ask the secretary to pay for his loss, that will serve as deterrent to people who always run to social media with the intent to bring peoples name to disrepute.

frowland:
Calling your boss a debtor publicly without any legal verifiable proof can damage his businesses and affect his ratings which might in turn scare customers and so forth. What I understand is that Nigerians mostly don't understand the legal implications of their actions. A banker calling his CEO a debtor is not same as calling a fish seller debtor. Formal & Informal.

winningwinner:
You don't dey run your mouth abi? So owing her was enough to go on social media to defame his character abi? There is no more debt tribunal in the land?

seborrhic:
That doesn't give her the right to (1)post his pictures on social media (2)Call him a debtor on social media.
There are agencies where issues like that are reported and taken up, including the Consumer protection council.She could even have reported to the police industrial court.
I hope she and others like her learn a bitter lesson.
You cannot defame someone in the social media and expect to get away with it, particularly if it's a civil matter.

sisisioge:
Actually, the guy might have started out by owing her. Then she made the noise on social media. He would have then paid up but she forgot to take the pictures and comment down....that would be the basis of his case. May God help us to be wise.

First, he deserves whatever reputational "damage" he may suffer because the PUBLIC needs to know who they are dealing with...
Second, for the umpteenth time, as long as he is owing salaries, he is a DEBTOR and the truth is a COMPLETE DEFENSE to defamation.

Finally, the police should never had gotten involved...
Defamation is NOT a crime, but a CIVIL offense (a tort).
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Obudupikin:
How do you know she was telling the truth?

The post you were responding to...
Was specifically based on the predicate: "Is he a debtor or not Was he owing her or not"

Accordingly, your response...
That her statement was a "crime" even given that premise was patently incorrect under extant law.
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Myself2:
The judicial process as pertains to common law stipulates that if a party feels defamed by another, they are at liberty to seek redress in the court of law.Rather than vilifying the claimant, he should be applauded for not resorting to self help or using his position as boss to exact vengeance or punishment on the staff

But that's exactly what he has done!
Instead of a civil case for defamation, he has apparently used his position to initiate a CRIMINAL process.

Defamation is a TORT (ie, a civil wrong rather than a criminal wrong). Accordingly, while he can seek CIVIL redress, getting the police to arrest the lady is an abuse of the coercive power of the state.
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"Lazy yoots"
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Kiezodumah:
She would bench Daniel Akpeyi

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BuhariAdvocate:
Federal government should impose curfew there.

yarimo:
you are absolutely right

Why? If the Governor wants to recover property...
He should go to court and get a proper court order.

What a lawless ZOO!
W/ BOTH Government and thugs disregarding the law.
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Nothing to see here...

OP, abegi NOT every jeans short is a "bum short"! SMH
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DUMBEST thing I ever heard...
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Brain08:
as informed as you are, so you think telling the world would solve the issue at hand?.

Some of you Nigerians need to quit defending WRONG things...
That's why the Nigerian elite feel so emboldened to act with impunity.

If it does not "solve the issue at hand"...
It will likely solve future issues because others will be on notice.

PS: Doubtful it's the first time the deadbeat has owed salaries!
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Myself2:
What an arrogant display of ignorance of judicial process

Dude, it is NOT...
On the contrary, she precisely asked the ONLY relevant questions.

TRUTH is a complete and unqualified defense to defamation under Nigerian law (as the Supreme Court reaffirmed in Dumbo & Others vs Igbugboe), and that has always been the case under common law.
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Obudupikin:
You don't solve one crime with another crime.

TRUTH is NOT a crime...
Except perhaps in a CROOKED country like Nigeria!

And if you insist that the TRUTH is a "crime"...
How come only one person was arrested and charged?!
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ORJINTAIYKE:
Is Cameroon in central Africa ?

Yes...o!
Even though they are closer to us than several West African countries.
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DesChyko:
That was close
Played three, missed two.
Then goalie saved three in a row.
Nigeria wins

GREAT goalkeeping...
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