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WoundedLamb:
I do not know you (not disrespect intended, I just don't remember usernames) but if you knew me well enough to have called my attention to this thread, then you probably also know I'm not just a freedom advocate (or "LGBT apologist" if you prefer that) but also a Canadian. Here, it's not always a You vs Us. Most times, people are divided based on personal opinions and not necessarily based on stuff like origine, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. In other words, this is a controversial issue even within the LGBTQ community here in Canada. Contrary to your take, transgendering does not necessarily "help" the gay sub-community (sometimes, it does the opposite) and there's nothing like an attempt to increase the LGBTQ populace. The LGBTQ community does not need population and Canada will gain nothing by trying to increase the number of gay people in a country begging for population. You need to begin to understand that the LGBTQ struggle is that of survival and nothing more. The gay kid in the streets of Lagos does not care about any agenda or conspiracy theory, he just wants to live!

Now about the case: a 14 year old kid can't just walk into a hospital and ask doctors to carry out such an extensive therapy on her and they'd do it. She neither has the financial resources nor the power. The law says a child of that age must get the consent of her parent or parents as the case may be (depending on whether they are still together). And even at that, a historical record and psychological analysis must be carried out to ascertain if truly the kid has masculine dispositions. In this particular case, the records show the kid has always been more masculine than feminine and the mother consented to it. The father opposed and took the case to the court. However, since the parents are already separated and the mother has custody of the child, the Supreme Court ruled that her consent was enough. The man was asked to adopt the kid's preferred pronoun (which he never did). Again, well within his rights, he took the case to the court of appeal. While this was going on, he was ordered not to divulge the identity of the daughter, wife and medicale personnel involved in public to avoid exposing them to the associated trauma of such publicity. For privacy reasons, the court also emphasized that he must not allow relevant documents (petitions, affidavits, letters, court orders, etc.) to come into the hands of third parties not “authorized by order of this court,” or with “written consent” from his daughter. But he dared the law, went online and let it all out. He was charged and he went ahead to do it again. He wasn't just arrested cause of the pronoun.

I did not tell you this to sway your opinion (I'm not in full support of the judgment myself). I just wanted to show you where the actual divide is. It is not a straight people vs gay people thing. Some argue that letting him go after daring the Supreme Court of Canada would set a terrible precedence. According to them, the man would have continued the fight within legal means. He could have gone ahead to appeal the court order. On the other hand, others argue that both parents should consent before such a therapy is carried out on a minor regardless of whether they're separated or not. They also believe the court order was unfair. Then we have the last group who believe a kid of that age should never undergo such a therapy regardless of the parents' consent. These three groups can be found even within the gay community.

We are going to base these kids decision to change gender on a couple of psyc evaluations?
What’s in all these psych evaluation? Becos i know for a fact they are not an evaluation that go on for years to establish certainty... so they seem like quick conclusions to me...and that’s why I see it as a desperate move I tagged it earlier...

Wounded lab... you seem to know a lot and find some justification for gender change for kids who feel they feel differently inside from their anatomy??

What exactly is being male?
What exactly is being female?
What does it mean to feel like female inside?
What does it mean to feel like male??

Hypocrites.....

These white people say minors can’t give consent to sex....but think it’s okay for them to decide on something serious like gender change that isn’t reversible and is likely regretible...as young as age 7....children are taking hormone blockers... and their parents don’t have a say...

These politically correct nonsense is just a desperation to validate and increase the LGBT populace .....it’s irritating, it’s reckless, and it’s starting to become annoying ...


...woundedlamb...u are an LGBT apologist...what do u have to say..

if you want to curse a nation...just wish Nigerian leaders upon that nation.....

bendovex:
Exactly.
The same way placing a car way above it's market value can be annoying.
Bottom line is, always be considerate and civil enough to accommodate other people's divergent opinion, no matter how annoying it may seem, especially as a seller. You need to do away with the urge to attack people that price your item below your expectations. It's a free world.

I agree... but we have different tolerance level

Wickedfacts:
On another thread, there's a car for sale at 1.2M which you removed 300k from and priced at 900k, no one insulted you. On your own thread, they also removed 300k from and priced your 900k asking price at 600k, yet you are insulting the person and calling him a mad person. E no suppose be so na.

Lol....u should know that’s not how pricing works sometimes.. it’s not 1+1

E.g....A person can place a Honda discussion continue for 1.2M.....pricing it for 900k shouldn’t sound so bad....

But placing the same Honda DC for 800k would sound unfair if u remove the same 300k and price it for 500k.....


Sometimes pricing annoys people when potential buyers go far below the car’s market value..

It depends on the setup u run in your home...

But a normal human being should tell his wife 3rd party is coming and let her agree....cos u see all this vag!na people ehnnn...they can make life hell for u and ur family member with all your money

WoundedLamb:
Yes, forcefully sleeping with anyone is rape. But equating consensual sex between two people of the same gender with the inhumane act of rape would be watering down the gravity of rap and that would be unfair to rape victims; even the law does not keep the two on the same pedestal. So permit me to disagree with you on that, gay sex is not as serious as rape even in countries where it's prohibited. Rape is simply sadistic.

But that wasn't my point in the initial post. There's nothing consensual in this case so there's no defense whatsoever for the sex offender. The actual act of rape in the write-up above was perpetuated by a straight person. I just find it astonishing that the writer laid more emphasis on the case of the gay guy who attempted to sleep with a fellow guy, and then added the actual rape case as a closing note. This - coupled with the fact that people here are more interested in the gay guy's case - is more sentimental than logical and actually speaks volumes about how things are viewed over there.

This shouldn’t surprise u....u are in a country and on forum with a lot of straight people...even if the goverment legalized gay marriages, many people won’t change their views.....

Besides... every one knows rape is bad...it’s just that it’s now common like kidnapping.... so the gay thing will always be a big news than the rape news

greggng:
I am very happy some of you are now appreciating the job some of us do. If we buy at reasonable price , we will advertise at reasonable price. If I buy this car for 900k and advertise it for 1m ...some of you will call me all source of names. That is why i prefer not to argue about price ...if you like price my car 1naira I will never reply you but attempt at insulting me by calling me names over my advert is something I dislike ...but as it stand , I have also decided never to respond to people whose mission is to derail my advert . God will takecare of them

I get

greggng:
I no dey vex over price ...what I simply hate is people insulting me over the price of my car. In this case I didn't insult you or call you names for fixing your price for 900k..what I did was simply pricing and if you don't like it ..you simply decline my offer

Bros....some pricing na insult oooooo....

greggng:
500k

If na you ....U go dey vex oooo

jacoik:
see fresh brest and wet toto wey full everywhere and this disgusting things will want to be digging dry and hard bone. honestly this gay of a thing has a spiritual angle to it because it not ordinary

They don’t dig dry and hard bone oooo... they dig hole with sh!t

KenModi:
Here is the right map; you welcome.

The oil will not allow them split this country...if only God can just help me give them oil in the north....let them come and be going...

WoundedLamb:
There are two cases reported; one involves a a gay guy who assaulted someone and the other involves a straight guy who actually raped someone. But Nigerians will overlook the more serious case to attack the gay community as sex offenders are only found there.

As u know..this isn’t canada or United States... until the laws change in Nigeria ...ramming d!ck into a fellow man’s yansh is as serious as rape...

Ajakaiye83:
I presently work where I earn 330k monthly.
The job is very relax with no pressure and also there is opportunity to do a lot of PP which fetches money too steadily. It is close to my house like 5km away, if so dont drive, I spent 300 naira to and fro.

This second job promises to pay 500k. I have the offer letter. It is on the Island while I stay on the mainland,with a lot of travels.Probation is 6 months.PP is not guaranteed and with a lot of work demands.There is possibility of travelling outside the country as well though not too sure.

Please I advise me

Is the 500k job translating to career growth or just salary growth?? If it’s just salary...stay where u are...

Sometimes growth comes with some inconvenience .....but u have to leave your comfort zone sometimes because of the long term benefits..

.. I’ve seen someone leave 270 job for a 300k job becos they were offered a managers position.... at first it was like what’s the need?? But just 2.5 years later he became regional head at another place...

Yeah ....330k is enough for u now...will u be promoted later...is it sure that ur career will grow where u are now...??

igboarenice:
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Who is this riffraff??

farem:
Why is it difficult for muslims to attend Muslim schools where they can dress according to their religion?

In most discourses on this raging issue, the above question keeps coming up BUT rather than answering it, they parry it and go elsewhere.
Truly, why can't they go to their own established schools, after all they claim to be many.
What's your own candid response

How many Muslims schools are around...??
That’s shouldn’t be the question actually....because there shouldn’t be discrimination...parents should be able to take their kids anywhere without religious considerations


The problem here is the goverment bring religion into everything...

The question why is the goverment going against their idea of uniformity in dressing becos of religion..??...

Same dress code system was established to promote uniform dressing among students...for identification, so that no student feels out of place to a reasonable extent...and so on.....

If goverment wants to allow freedom of dressing... let them just abolish uniform system nation wide.. not create preference for some people based on religion and be forcing that preference on privately managed schools...

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala it's like you don't want to relate with the cause of WARS and GENOCIDE in the human race, i understand you jare that's too profound and doesn't sound palatable to you guys even though you want to claim you know God but you can't find any reason why you must not go to war and kill your fellow believer in other nations!


Only JWs can relate with total strangers as BROTHERS and SISTERS in the name of FAITH! LOVE {John 13:34-35} no other group can do this because the love for their FAITH is not rooted in their hearts!

Only JWs go to pay their NEIGHBOURS visits invited! JOY {Matthew 10:11-13} no other group do this by going to visit their neighbours invited, this can only be possible if you have JOY in your heart, joyless people don't share thoughts with others!

Only JWs are well organized and orderly no strife for position not struggle due to racial domination! PEACE {John 14:27} while all other religions are protesting against their leaders over monetary issues and one tribe dominating the group JWs lovingly work together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23


Do you still have more questions?

So u are saying that your claims are based on further claims that::

Only Your denomination call relate with strangers in faith...

Only your demonition isn’t allowing racism

And only ur denomination visit to preach the gospel...

Don’t u think you are lying to urself or u are just want to deliberately commit fallacy..... u sound like u are simply erroneously concluding ...:

Don’t U think u sound like the disciples that told Jesus they rebuked another person calling the name of Jesus becos the person is not one of them??


Correct if I’m wrong, you sound like you are just displaying superiority.... if not, can you show statistics or data to back your claims that u are the only one that’s not racist, that only preach the gospel, that you are the only one that can relate with strangers,

MaxInDHouse:
Even Jesus disagreed with Peter despite their closeness but there are two vital points that's destroying the PEACE in all other groups and these two demonic weapons has been rendered useless amongst JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

I served with the military intelligence for years and this has helped me to understand certain things that's causing trouble in the world today!

One is Politics: no matter how nice kind and generous you may prove to be once you're carried away with politics you can't love your neighbour as yourself because you will always take sides. This commandment God gave the Israelites in the wilderness before they entered the promise land, Jesus only reminded them {Matthew 22:35-40 compare to Leviticus 19:18} but for CHRISTIANS Jesus gave a new law {John 13:34-35} here Jesus is saying Christians must be prepared to die for their fellow believers if the need be but in the face of Politics ordinarily loving one's neighbour is impossible talkless of carrying out the law of Christ. So all of them are into politics therefore a Catholic in PDP will fight against another Catholic belonging to APC with his last breathe, and the same is applicable to all of them!
The second is Racism: Satan has successfully divided the human race with an design by a Babylonian King called Nebuchadnezzar. This man initiated what is known today as National Anthem, so people from all races have their own and Satan is using this concept to promote hatred, envy, contention and war within the human race. The national anthem of a country state that you love cherish and support your own country no matter what. Please against who are you supposed to do this? What about your fellow believers in other nations?

Jesus has squashed these two concepts and removed it completely from the heart of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES globally, so neither Politics nor Racism can divide us.

Please ask a Deeperlifer or Redeemer to come out and explain himself on this matter, then you'll see that Satan has really really blinded them so that the law of Christ can never make any sense to them! 2Corinthians 4:4

I'll welcome more questions if you're still willing to know more!

To be frank ...you ddnt answer my questions

I don’t get how racism/national anthem and politics makes it okay for you to assume every one else doesn’t have joy among them...do churches have national anthem??
Do all churches have racism... is racism not a person-specific behavior....since when did it become a church thing??

I’m not calling a redeemer or deeperlifer becos they don’t claim superiority....
they don’t claim they are the only one with joy in their midst..
they don’t claim they are the only one serving God...

you are the one claiming these things...I just want to under stand why u claim it without being in other people’s denomination....

I though Jesus spoke about many evidences that will be among those that believe in him.... but U seem to use this “joy” to claim u are the only original worshippers of God and believers

MaxInDHouse:
It's you that knows what you believe just as i also know what i beleive, the only difference is my own is working out something benefitial and visible to the whole world while yours is just faith without anything to show for it! James 2:18-26
Definitely it's just another idol!

Can u clear me on something??

U are always claiming u have peace and joy in ur denomination and others don’t ....have u been to every denomination? U throw this statement at people everytime...so, How do u know they don’t have joy..? Ddnt Peter and Paul disagree on a matter?? Does that now mean they don’t have joy among themselves??

Why do u always claim superiority, and that u are the only one serving God while others are not??Yet, u argue in nairaland like every other person..

You are also arguing...but u seem to claim that their argument means they don’t have peace joy among themselves...

Godoverevery:
I guess we all read daddy freeze case where he was accused of adultery and a judge in pH ruled he pay 5milion to the woman husband for damages.

So I asked if adultery was a crime in Nigeria....some people quoted me back telling me is actually a crime.

Now this my question.
1. if a single man sleep with a married woman....can the man be sued for adultery

2.If the husband has the right to sue freeze, can a married woman sue a single lady who sleep with her husband for adultery as well..or is the law different for men and women.

3.If adultery is a crime in Nigeria..... what is the punishment for it in federal or state law.
(please any previous case that can be sited to serve as a precedent will be appreciated)

4.Why is the husband suing daddy freeze alone and exempting his wife who to me is actually the main culprit here.

5.If the judge is awarding 5 million in damages solely against freeze isn't that promoting women engaging in adultery while the men get blamed for it.

I no many have resentment against daddy freeze but let put that aside and answer this logically without bias.

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Bros it doesn’t matter whether the any party is single..once one of the party is married....it has become adultery..

The single man can claim ignorance...however that’s not the case with Mr freeze...

Yes, a woman can sue another woman, in civil court, I can sue u for anything... I can sue you for passing by my house seff... as long as my lawyer can proove beyond doubt that your passing by my house caused damages.... them u must pay


In the north adultery is a crime under the Penal Code of Northern Nigeria. Section 387 and 388 stipulate imprisonment for two years, and/or with a fine for adultery...
In some states, adultery isn’t a crime...but that doesn’t mean u can’t sue....

Yes..the man sued freeze alone because it’s a better case....,
However, .the man can sue the wife for adultery too....but between husband and wife, the wife can counter-sue that the husband was negligent of his sexual duties .....pushing the wife into the hands of another man...In fact the wife can accuse him of abuse...so it’s always better to file for divorce so that the wife gets little or almost nothing for breaking the vows of marriage..

The man sued Mr freeze....and the judge awarded 5milliom for the damages freeze caused by messing with the fabrics of his home..
How is that encouraging women?? You think the woman isn’t experiencing any shame in all of these issues?? It’s like u don’t like women..

MiddleDimension:
What about the david example i already gave you?
He married his first wife because saul gifted him his daughter. He married the second one because she showed virtue and was a widow. We are not clear why he married the third. But he married saul's widows because god gave them to him.

These are not my words; i already gave you the quotation. So tell me how polygamy is definitely out of greed. And i am not pretending i do not see your point. There are people who do it, but that's not the problem of polygamy, but the problem of the individual. What about David and Abraham who had more than one wife? Did they do it out of greed?

This is why i brought the idea of the different thinking there are, you denied.

Go through the bible and you will find out that majority of the cases of polygamy you find in the bible are for a completely different reason than greed. For people in different societies at different time, the thinking used in operating societies are very different!!!
Jacob also married his wives not out of greed!

The only time someone took a wife out of greed was when david took Uriah's wife. And to make a distinction between legal and proper pokygamy and greed, god sent Nathan to rebuke him! You know how much he suffered for that!
So if polygamy and adultery and greed are the same in the eyes of the christian god, why then did he not punish those who did proper polygamy, but punished those who did adultery and greed?

Just tell me you have a problem with polygamy and do not try to pass your scepticism for polygamy as god's opunion on it.

I don’t have to tell u anything...u are entitled to ur opinion just as I am

MiddleDimension:
From my experience, people also got into monogamy out of greed

Greed is an unhealthy desire for something u already have....

How is having one wife greed...??

It’s like u U don’t even understand the context i used in tagging polygamy greed

MiddleDimension:
What if they tell you they truely do?
You feel it is greed because of the thinking you have used to analyse it. The straight thinking that is pervassive in the west and is becoming pervassive all over the world; not because it is the best, or that other kind if thinking are not good; but because the west wields power in the world now and they dominate global culture.

What about Ruth and Boaz's marriage? Is it greed on the part of Boaz since it is very likely he was already married to possibly other wives before ruth?

I find this little blog a bit interesting
https://www.google.com/amp/s/goodquestionblog.com/2013/02/22/0222/amp/

U just like to assume...I gave my opinion from personal experience...yet u are assuming it’s western ideology....Oga suit urself jare...

u are trying to sound smart ....but all u have here are just hasty conclusions and assumptions.

All ur point are likely... likely ..likely...

MiddleDimension:
Tell me how polygamy is a human flaw. You people should sometimes listen to yourselves when you speak. It is a human flaw but god told david that he has given david him wives and if that is not enough, he would have given him more! God himself gave david those wives he had, apart from the one he stole.

You are free to use whatever scripture u like to back your claim....

God gave him power...all he had was becos of the power God gave him...including wives...human decision will always come into play on earth...what u do with power is totally up to you...

adebopo:
Give us scriptural reference why is not right, not this your judgemental bashing.

So it’s only bible that can tell U if something is right or wrong??

That’s why I’m bashing him...he’s always under the morality canopy....so why is he trying to say he doesn’t know if something that tramples on the right of a woman is wrong or not just becos th Bible is silent....

Let’s not deceive ourselves everything is not Written in the Bible....but that doesn’t mean they are right...that’s why Jesus said the Holy Spirit will explain the rest to you...

MiddleDimension:
Even in the new testament, of the 120 disciples of jesus gathered in the upper room, there are very likely those who had more than one wife. And they all recieved the holy ghost.
Divorce is allowed even in the new testament.

The law clearly states that Kings shouldn’t have multiple wives...deut 17v17...
.that God called David a man after his heart...doesn’t that mean God suppoted all his flaws including polygamy and adultery later in life...

Same for Abraham....when are going to stop this justifying wrong becos and Old Testament person did it.

becos God has mercy with our flaws doesn’t mean he’s okay with them...Peter denied Christ 3 times..doesn’t mean we should go about denying Jesus...

U even claimed the disciples in the upper room may have multiple wives....na wah for u ooo

MikeBetty:
you have no point. First RENO said that "someone asked him" based on his personality as a pastor, he gave the "person a sincere/ candid answer, all you did was to spew trash on him. Secondly, you asked if you must speak bible every time and end speaking the same bible " love your neighbour and do unto others what you would have them do unto you", this shows that you are completely confused. Thirdly, you vilified RENO for being neutral on the issue because he neither support nor condenm polygamy.

Exactly ...Reno is a man that always sits on the table if morality and religion.....to correct u I ddnt tackle Reno becos he was neutral, I tackled Reno because he’s claiming he doesn’t know if having many wives is wrong because the Bible didn’t mention it word for word....

..how could he say he doesn’t know if what tramples on the rights of a woman is wrong just because the Bible ddnt say specifically....

Heck...will he say he doesn’t know if p0rn, cocaine, etc is a wrong becos the Bible ddnt say.?

That’s why I brought my point from the angle of humanity....1st becos reno is human...and also a pastor..he could have answered from either angle...But he pretended to be in the fence...

Secondly u were saying I should give a bible verse or shut up...why should I have to give a bible verse to determine what’s wrong....every isn’t written in the Bible ....??

But if u feel I have not point..well everyone is entitled to their opinion

MikeBetty:
correct him with bible quotations if he is wrong. Remain silent if you have no point to argue.

Must I speak the Bible everytime??

....we were first humans before religion came....

If religion needs to tell us how to behave all the time to our fellow man then we have a problem..

and if hurting ur wife and trampling upon her rights by bringing other women home isn’t enough proof that polygamy is shit....then maybe u need to go and read your Bible again and understand the meaning of love your neighbor and do unto them how you want them to do unto you..

iyambz:
See, this is a very simple thing. You tried to make a fool out of me so you can embarrass me if I wasn't able to answer the questions, was that not an insult already?
And in all honesty, I want to do the same to you. Now how does that feel?

I ddnt try to make a fool out of u...u are just a fight-ready person who doesn’t like people to have an opinion different from yours....

Yes I admit I told you to go check your Bible...maybe that sounded to u like I was saying u are ignorant ....I apologize... that’s not my intention....I was just telling you to doublecheck your information

iyambz:
Where you not insulting me when you demanded I answer your questions? Maybe you should go back and read your comments you hypocrite. I will put it to you again because you are the one who feel tortured crying like a little baby while wetting your diapers. Next time don't try so hard to prove a Bible believer to be a heretic because you will be found to be the Heretic and a liar

So I insulted u by asking u a questions?? So that’s an insult

Haaa....sorry...I apologize for insulting u

iyambz:
Hahaha. You tried to prove me a heretic, you failed. Second, I never mentioned the book of Peter. Third, you started the insults. Go back and read your comments you hypocrite. I never said you tortured me, you are the one throwing javelin at me like Saul because you are under conviction, and the Bible made a fool out of you. Keep making up words. Stay on course, prove me wrong. I put it to you again...Next time don't try so hard to prove a Bible believer to be a heretic because you will be found to be the Heretic.

U have problem....u are looking for a fight...and I don’t have it...Incase u ddnt see the first time when I apologized ....

Sorry
Sorry
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Mabinu
I ddnt try to prove u a heretic...
Please go away....

Bluffly:
I thought the address the EFFC boss had outside isn't okay by you as well hence why I sent you did pics and asked the question.

I don’t care whether the Efcc boss adressed the staff in the sun or conference room....

I only mentioned someone who said Efcc work is not shell or cbn...
all Efcc staff are not field agents... so what’s the point of putting them in the sun ..

Then u asked me if it’s a conference room...so I don’t get..