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VULCAN:
Your response is all over the place.

You started by asking what's my point then you carried on. The problem is if you did not get my point why writing anything at all after that?

Shouldn't you have asked me to clarify?

Therefore nothing you wrote after can be said to reflect any depth of understanding of the points I raised.

And let me correct another of your misfire.

The captivity I was referring to was not Egypt but Babylon.

The Israelites were not captured to Egypt unlike Babylon.

So open your Bible and see whether you can find Israelites with multiple wives returning from the Captivity in Babylon.

I might have missed a reference and I am open to being corrected.

First I ddnt misfire....


The summary of ur last comment was that God supports polygamy and that my personal veiw that’s against it doesn’t matter... and that the isrealites stopped this practice when they were in captivity in Babylon....perhaps because of the Babylonian captors who may not want them to multiply......right??

First I ddnt get why you were bringing this line of thought to counter me... when I already said my views are personal and not religious....that’s why I asked what ur point is...

Secondly I decided to engage u all the same based on the religion side u used to engage me....

I said... ur conclusion that the Babylonian captivity stopped the practice of polygamy is flawed and perhaps a fallacy...why..? I made reference to another captivity the Israelites experienced in Egypt..saying that captivity was more worse becos they ddnt even want them to multiply...so if Moses freed them and they started their new life with the practice, it’s inconclusive to say they stopped it after they got free from Babylon....

(So what difference does it make whether they were dragged to Egypt, or later became captives. The fact is they were not free and they were oppressed and their children killed...there’s no evidence of ur claim in Babylon... but there’s evidence that the Egyptians ddnt want them to multiply... still some came out of Egypt a polygamist)

and I further stressed that the Bible ddnt give much account about the way of life of the people.. because after the Babylonian captivity, we have the prophecies from the prophets..then the 4gospel, then the apostles’ letters.....so u can’t use that to conclude that no one practiced polygamy....since the Bible ddnt go into details

I also pointed to u the law that states Kings shouldn’t have multiple wives..and that David and Solomon shouldn’t be used as a standard for polygamy...but u ignored it like a plague...


But out of all I said.... u only saw a misfire...which wasn’t even a misfire....and U further stressed that I should go and look for who practiced polygamy after the Babylonian captivity...please what point are u trying to make with this ??

Looks to me like u are not looking for a dialogue.

iyambz:
I will put it to you again because you are the one who feel tortured crying like a little baby while wetting your diapers. Next time don't try so hard to prove a Bible believer to be a heretic because you will be found to be the Heretic and a liar

What started all of this is you saying
Lord Jesus Christ= Father, Son and Sprit..
where did u dig up this from...? To answer me U decided to tuse the scripture from the book of Peter..

Haba! How does that verse explain ur claim...u can’t just pick a verse that explains the existence of father Jesus and the spirit and say that’s the explanation to the title you gave to God...

Then u started the insults..

See...Becos I believe in God and Jesus the savior doesn’t mean I have to agree with ur fallacy...

We misunderstood each other at some point, I apologized ...yet you are still behaving like I took ur wife..
.are u not the one that said I was torturing you...??

Please go away jare....u are behaving like someone that has psychological issues..

iyambz:
This your comment above, which is actually your command to me. Now does that sound like you came here to share your views? You are just an ignorant fool who came here to show me what he knows. Don't ever play that victim thing on me, it will not work. Answer the questions, and prove me wrong. Since you said I'm lost, maybe that will win me to Christ. I gave you Matt 5 context, prove me wrong on that also. Maybe you should go and call your dumb pastor that has been teaching you some foolishness to come help you out.

Now is there any question you put up to me that I didn't answer? I even have to answer John 17 twice. Answer the questions, stupid.

U are difficult to dialogue with...u keep insulting me and u want me to talk with you....

I apologized to u since u said I tortured u... so what else do u want

iyambz:
It's quite unfortunate. I called you a fool for a cause. Now do you know one of the traits of a narcissist? They play the victim when the other person they are trying to get at hit them back so hard. You playing the victim now is you only trying to seduce me so that you will come back harder.

Now you are accusing me of showing off? No no. My intentions was clear. You have to prove me wrong by claiming I was ignorant of the Scriptures when you were busy tutoring me in your second post I believe. Now I told you the context of Matt 5, all you could do was to twist it around and say I use the scripture to do what pleases me. Oga answer the questions. Next time don't try so hard to prove a Bible believer to be a heretic because you will be found to be the Heretic.

Dumb fool.

Wait...U have added dumb to the fool...haaa
torturing you??
Playing victim??

U sound like angry...so if I feel tortured, I’m sorry I’m not playing victim..u actually insulted me and used the Bible to justify the insult....That’s why I chose not engage u further....

One thing is common on platforms like these.. that is not knowing intent ...because when u read people’s words u might not know their intent...


U seem to take everything like a contest or battle of rights and wrong....sometimes conversations can be about sharing views...
But immediately I had a view different from urs u started calling me names...

Anyways...I apologize if u feel tortured ....and if there’s any other thing ..no vex

angelfallz:
the bolded,
What right is that?

1. A right to peace in her home...polygamy breeds jealousy and domestic fights...

2. A right to affection....which will always be shared by other women...

3. A right to safety...as long as a man sleeps with other women... that woman isn’t safe...they risk infection...

4. Make no mistake...Women in polygamous homes are not wives. They are just property..a pleasure & child bearing property..

..no one should made to feel like they are just another sex object among the many the man possess...

Like I said...polygamy is repackaged adultery...

iyambz:
It's like you don't even know the purpose of this thread. You said you believe in the deity of Christ, and then I gave the full title of the trinity, and you are you here arguing it. What's your problem? Are you well at all? And yes Paul called the Galatians fools. This is because you are ignorant that the book of Matthew is written to the Jews and the context of the verse is the Millennial reign of Christ. Jesus called the Pharisees fools in Matt 23. So God will go to Hell? You know nothing. We are in the church age dispensation. Be humble and learn because proud people don't know facts, even if they know, they won't accept it.

Now Mr, explain the following in your own way:

Define the word "Lord."
Define the word "Jesus."
Define the word "Christ."
Define the Father.
Define the Son
Define the Spirit

The court is all yours. Let's see who's ignorant. Be precise.

In case you have not been told...u are a very proud human being....and u need to work on yourself...

First u accused me of showoff.... now u listed this things and ask me to explain so we can have contest.. now who’s trying to show off...??

Second....u insulted me, called me wicked, fool, and, condemned to hell, and u justified it with the Bible...

.Jesus called Pharisees names becos the Pharisees don’t believe in him and they plotted to kill him..
u called me fool because of ur obnoxious and condescending behavior yet you had the guts to use the Bible to back it up....impressive!!

I’m not surprised, I have seen a yahoo boy used the Bible verse “ whatever thy hand finded to do, do it well” to justify his internet fraud lifestyle...


So continue....

VULCAN:
We are all entitled to our views but God is not bound by any of them so don't place your views as if they are law.

God is Omniscient. He knows ALL so If he deliberately did not make it CLEAR that polygamy is a sin under this dispensation then that should make you wonder why.

So many sins were deliberately and clearly named in the new testament some 3 or even more times but when it comes to polygamy it remains a grey area, just mentioned as being a no no for any who would be leaders in Church.

Based on my own personal research I have not found anybody who returned from Captivity who had more than one wife so I am led to believe that Polygamy died while the Israelites were in Captivity not because it was a commandment from God but due to cultural reasons or perhaps they were not allowed by their Captors to marry more than one wife.

Perhaps as a strategy to ensure they do not become a larger population like they were in Egypt.

What your point??

So becos i don’t support polygamy... I’m a against God’s view?
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The Israelites started out in captivity from
Egypt ...

In fact, the egyptaians were afraid of their growing number and decided to kill some of them....but they still came out marrying wives..
Ur assumption is wrong....

captivity did not stop them before when they came from Egypt’.....why assume captivity stopped them later.......the Bible account didn’t cover everything that happened in isreal post-captivity. So don’t assume..

Ur research is flawed...and God never said marry plenty wives in the Bible... so I don’t get why you are trying to paint polygamy as God’s view.

God don’t interfere in all affairs of man....so, Don’t use David and Solomon as standard...they did wrong...according to the law....go read for ur self....part of the law Moses gave them was that a king should not have many wives Deuteronomy 17v17.....

angelfallz:
how?

I believe polygamy is greed...it’s repackaged adultery......women are the same...trust me...

I believe no one can love his wives equally... so already there will be biasness....

Polygamy breeds jealousy among wives and children...
if any woman tells u she’s fine with the fact that her husband is drilling another woman in the next room and will still put the same pen!s in her later on ....then u must believe I’m dangote...
So already I are just hurting several women emotionally who can’t talk because of their desperate need to be married and have children

At the end of the day...polygamy tramples upon the rights of woman..

This is my view.. I am not speaking from religion.


.it’s based on my views I feel that Reno is not alright..

Paxxcarl:
you’re a deluded prick

Don’t be triggered ....I don’t have to agree with Reno or you....learn some tolerance everyone can’t be on the same page with you

...

I have my own views about polygamy...

I believe polygamy is greed...it’s repackaged adultery......women are the same...trust me...

I believe no one can love his wives equally... so already there will be biasness....

Polygamy breeds jealousy among wives and children...
if any woman tells u she’s fine with the fact that her husband is drilling another woman in the next room and will still put the same pen!s in her later on ....then u must believe I’m dangote...
So already I are just hurting several women emotionally who can’t talk because of their desperate need to be married and have children

At the end of the day...polygamy tramples upon the rights of woman..

This is my view.. I am not speaking from religion.


.it’s based on my views I feel that Reno is not alright..

ehissi:
Trust me, he is very correct but is simply trying to avoid a backlash.............

God through his word, if you study carefully doesn't have any issue with polygamy.

However, God has constantly advised against it for people who must be leaders as a matter of example.

In the old testament, when Israel rejected God and demanded a king, Samuel was asked by God to tell them what a physical king will do to them, and told them to tell their king "not to multiply wives nor Chariots unto himself".......

The kings of Israel all had multiply wives but God didn't hold it as a sin against them.........

Paul in the new stated that any person seeking to be a leader in the church, should have just one wife as a matter of being an example..............

So it is my personal, candid opinion, obtained through personal study, that having multiply wives, provided it is not unlawful (that is against the law of the land) where you are, is not a sin.......

But, it is strongly recommended that we keep to one wife because it is a clear sign of continence and contentment........

This is aside from the fact that disagreements in polygamous homes are typically more complex than monogamous homes..............

Don’t be triggered ....I never said he’s wrong..

I have my own views about polygamy...

I believe polygamy is greed...it’s repackaged adultery......women are the same...trust me...

I believe no one can love his wives equally... so already there will be biasness....

Polygamy breeds jealousy among wives and children...
if any woman tells u she’s fine with the fact that her husband is drilling another woman in the next room and will still put the same pen!s in her later on ....then u must believe I’m dangote...
So already I are just hurting several women emotionally who can’t talk because of their desperate need to be married and have children

At the end of the day...polygamy tramples upon the rights of woman..

This is my view.. I am not speaking from religion.


.it’s based on my views I feel that Reno is not alright..

iyambz:
(Prov 26:4 kjv) "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."

You only ask me this question because you want to show off your stinking bible knowledge. Fool.

Show off?? At all.... did U open this thread to show off... u did to inform...

I was only informing u that ur claim is a unscriptural by fallaciously claiming “lord Jesus Christ”= father son spirit”... and u turned it into an insult becos I don’t agree with you...people disagree all the time...doesn’t make them sinners....

Btw....He that calls his brother a fool is liable of helll Fire...Careful my brother... we will all give account of all we say.....

iyambz:
I didn't say you should go to Hell, the Bible did (John 3:18,36 kjv). Of course you don't like the light the Bible gives.

You started it by questioning the Bible, and when you mess with the Bible, I will mess with you.

John 17 if you don't know it's the real Lord's Prayer. In this prayer, Christ as the "High priest of our profession" (Heb 3:1 kjv) addresses the Father. As a consequence, you will find references to the New birth and New Testament Christianity here and in verse 3, 11-3, 17-18, 20-24, and 26.

U are proud ....I never questioned the Bible...I questioned you....
you are not an authority on scriptures....the holyspirt is the authority...

.u are just a Man insulting people and claiming it’s the Bible that’s doing the insulting ...

The sad part is ...U can’t even explain why Jesus is praying to himself to give him the glory he had from the beginning of the world....u called it the Lord’s Prayer and related it to Hebrews.... how is that the explanation??

And U here are calling me foolish and wicked......but I know u are not normal...and that’s not an insult..

TroubleMaker47:
Where is the lie in his statement?

Don’t be triggered ....I never said he’s lying...

I have my own views about polygamy...

I believe polygamy is greed...it’s repackaged adultery......women are the same...trust me...

I believe no one can love his wives equally... so already there will be biasness....

Polygamy breeds jealousy among wives and children...
if any woman tells u she’s fine with the fact that her husband is drilling another woman in the next room and will still put the same pen!s in her later on ....then u must believe I’m dangote...
So already I are just hurting several women emotionally who can’t talk because of their desperate need to be married and have children

At the end of the day...polygamy tramples upon the rights of woman..

This is my view.. I am not speaking from religion.


.it’s based on my views I feel that Reno is not alright..

iyambz:
You know my type? Ignorant fool. So you have reason to the level to see in another man what god see? You are now an intellectual God? Hey stupid, what are you trying to argue here? You said you believe in the deity of Christ, then why question Jesus praying to the Father? What's your problem?

U are claiming Jesus the son= God the father..
It isn’t true.... they are both deities... it doesn’t mean they are the same entities....and I explained with john 17 but u called me all sort of names...but I know U are not normal shaa

If Jesus and God the father are the same... Jesus wouldn’t pray to him...Jesus wouldn’t need to pray at all.....

iyambz:
(1 Cor 2:14 kjv) "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Only a wicked heart will want to cast a doubt on the word of God, or try to argue or question it. Look at the verse I quoted (1 Tim 3:16 kjv), It's called a mystery, meaning you will never really understand it now until you are absent from this world.

If you like keep confusing yourself while questioning the word of God.

Lol...when people like u can’t explain scripture, they start to call others sinners..whay are u ignoring john 17.... can’t u explain th context..??

.I doubt u even the Holy Spirit....u thatbis telling someone to go to hell...

iyambz:
Then foolishness is your problem. What a wicked heart. Did you even read the context of the verse I just quoted? What an idiot. If you deny the deity of Christ, you can go to HELL.

You are not normal... how did I deny the deity of Christ when I quoted scriptures which shows that Jesus has been with the father since the beginning .....again... u are not normal.. and ignoring scripture....

What context is john 17v 1-5....

Who was Jesus praying to ...
Who was Jesus asking to glorify him with the same glory he had from the beginning of the world??

I know ur type...u think u know the whole Bible...and any one that has a different view must be a sinner....:

Pele.... Mr holiest

iyambz:
It's the proud that will be the first to call a Bible believer "proud" just to hide his wicked and deceitful heart. And yes your heart is wicked when you try to deny the deity of Christ, and try to twist the Scriptures for your own agenda.

(1 Cor 15:27-28 kjv) This is a reference to the end of the Millennium and the White Throne judgement when Satan will be banished forever and everything in perfect order for Eternity. God exalts Christ above everything, including the name Jehovah (Phil 2:9-11 kjv). But in Eternity, Christ subjects Himself to the Father once more and goes back into the Trinity as "the Word" (the position He held before He was begotten as the "Son," John 1:1-3,14-18 kjv). If we are "in Christ," that would imply that we would go with Him into the Godhead and merge with the Trinity.

If you can't understand this, then you never will until your heart is clean. Stop going to the Bible with a preconceived notion of what you want the Bible to say; let that Bible stand independent and say what it says.

If they are the same entity...if Jesus= God the father
.why is Jeuss going to subject himself under the father...??

You are just contradicting your self

Lekison:
just look at how you contradict yourself with the last sentence. You are preaching tolerance and at the same time preaching dominance due to majority

Lol....the guy was trying so hard to sound cool....

But the Islam jihad nature jumped out at the end.

iyambz:
You are just one of the people that have their private interpretation of the Bible. I gave you a clear verse, but your wicked heart won't let the Bible stand independent and say what it says.

Now this is another one by the apostle Paul (1 Tim 3:16 kjv) "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

English is ur problem....

God is all powerful...he can manifest however he likes....

God has been manifesting in humanflesh since the beginning all through the Old Testament..

When it pleases God to redeem man to himself he sent Jesus to come in flesh....How does this now mean God the father = Jesus

both entities already existed in heaven since the beginning...Jesus made that clear in john 17v5 where prayed to God to glorify him with the glory he had before the world began.
(Please read, I know u won’t, u only come here to say what your pastor has told you)....

In fact in johnn17v1 =he said father glorify your son so that your son may glorify you....if the my private interpretation... then u must have a problem..

iyambz:
You are just one of the people that have their private interpretation of the Bible. I gave you a clear verse, but your wicked heart won't let the Bible stand independent and say what it says.

Now this is another one by the apostle Paul (1 Tim 3:16 kjv) "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Private interpretation??
U even called me wicked?? Lol...

Man U are too proud...

Okay you that is holy...interprete 1cor 15v27-28... since I’m wicked..

vivsravine:
LOVING IS NOT GIVING, NO MORE SEX

Most times when we are in love we fail to tell ourselves the truth, maybe because we keep believing in the saying that "love is blind"

Truly  love isn't blind rather we are our own personal enemy to ourselves when we fail to see the truth and indulge in vices that hurts us more than they impact us positively.

There is no connection between loving and giving, they are two separate words and they can't be interchanged.

Often times we relate love to giving as a prove of commitment, its never rigth and its not the truth as obtained in our world today.

You got to love yourself first before you could love another and certainly , you won't want to be hard or hurt yourself too, so self love begets respect and love for others.

When you equate love with giving, it becomes a business and a kind of service been rendered because you are expecting something in return, most especially with errotic kind of behavior.

Don't ever give out sex to prove you love someone, if they truly love you back certainly they will do everything to stay in your life and won't want to lose you to another.

People change you must remember this no matter how much giving of gifts, sex exchange and sacrifice  you have put into a relationship, when one person wants to go away they easily do without recalling how much they have put into your relationship.

Respect your body enough to honour it  when you share in sex, its more spiritual and because the spiritual controls the physical its hard to pull out most especially when you have gone far and the scenario of "love is blind" comes to play.

No one is too closed or attached to you that they can't be replaced, rather to aviod faustration and hurts of any kind don't indulge in sex because the pain hurts more than hell, don't allow anyone subject you to a condition to prove your love for them.

Loving is highy different from giving and as such its better you define what you are going into before it becomes s probelm.

You don't need to give gifts to prove you love someone, you don't need to have sex with them before you tell them you love them, anyone can give you gifts without any sort of attachments, anyone can obtain sex without loving the person.

Rather the point am making here is that in whatsoever you do in a relationship don't be subjected to any condition to prove your love.

Even in marriage everything you do should be selfless without rewards that's the real prove of love and when you give do it effortlessly and don't be compelled to do so.

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Sex is not biscuit
Sex is not candy
It’s not bottle of coke...
U women should stop saying “you gave sex”
U keep making it look like a favour....

Sex is consensual..both parties are contributing their bodies...I don’t understand why u vag!na people like to make it look like a contracting you are awarding

iyambz:
(1 John 5:7 kjv) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

This scripture only explains that there are 3 entities that bear record in heaven...

How is this verse related to Lord Jesus Christ as being the same 3 personality..you are just despratimg using scripture to back ur claim

Jesus made it clear in many places that he’s not the God the father... their mission and mind might be one but they are not same entity

He also explained the Holy Spirit in John 14 & 16

Paul also emphasized in 1cor 15v27-28 NIV : that all things has been made subject to Jesus i.e put under Jesus.
and he futher stressed that this doesn’t include God the father who does the subjecting becos everthing will eventually be put under God including Jesus..so that God will be all in all...

Read ur bible and stop committing fallacy with sciptures..

Ayilara1:
Stop this analogy please. Hijab is something that's compulsory Muslim ladies and they wear it everywhere. Nothing at all when it comes to wear is a must for a Christian to wear.

Lastly, The school is not Christian school.

Do u even know the schools they are talking about?

Bluffly:
It is you that should stop been dramatic. Is this inside a conference room?

It’s not a conference room.....but I don’t get your point??

nairavsdollars:
i totally support this. He is just reminding them that EFCC job is not Shell or CBN job. They are meant to be on the field, in the sun

Oh no...but God ....u ddnt create people like this...how do human beings now become this way

Jerryherd:





What is wrong with some Christian hypocrites sef?!

Is it your head the students want to wear hijab on?!

Will the hijab in anyway affect you or your fellow Christians?!

Did anyone force hijab on any Christian?!



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The thing goverment should do is scrap uniform system at all levels.....so people can dress freely


U can’t create uniformity in dressing and end up saying becos of religion some people should be allowed to to use head tie or hijab...isnt that already contrary to the uniformity idea...

We should learn not to bring religion into everything in this country....it’s always messy.

iyambz:
God's full title is "Lord Jesus Christ."
This represents the Three.

Lord is the Father/Soul
Jesus is the Son/Body
Christ which means "the anointed" stands for the Holy Spirit/Spirit.

Unscriptural

Stephjeff:
he is a responsible guy he doesn’t have friends we stay indoors everyday he doesn’t go anywhere he is a shy type he is always comfortable with me. In fact he is all I want in a man just that he is not getting money often that’s all

Encourage him to get a legit job....any job to food on the table..

Stephjeff:
yes help me small during September to December cuz here we pay house rent monthly we have move out of my house we mage to get a room and palor from that last money he gets on early February this year ever since 2 weeks we move in here things gets worst that to even eat is a big problem I don’t know what when I go out with him people admire me he gets very jealous am tired of the whole thing

If he’s responsible....then relax...we all go through a rough patch....just pray...and keep the hustle going..

Las las....una go dey alright

Stephjeff:
am beginning to relise that now he lied to me firstly that he own a plot of land in asaba even a car I never knew he just want to use all hat to make himself look like a big boy now I found out all is lies I hate him more

I hope he’s helping u pay rent from the little he makes...if not...send him out...

Some with real legit jobs don’t make up to that and they care for their family with 50k per month

I try not to judge people, but u can’t Settle with an Internet fraudster...they like to live life on the fast lane..
Unless they make big money...u can’t enjoy them..
And when they do make big money...u won’t see them around...

sometimes...Reno is not alright..

Stephjeff:
he is into internet fraud

I like u...u ddnt sugar-coat it by calling it business...