₦airaland Forum

aribisala0:
We are talking economics .What is the GDP of Abuja> What makes it top 3 ?

What is the IGR of Abuja?

That is what we are talking about have you got data?

That's exactly what i'm saying. Abuja was not built like that. It was built to be a political city where the high and might frolic. it has not really started taking advantage of it's advantage because the government pretty much finds Abuja with a special ministry for Abuja.

aribisala0:

Why is this federal presence not producing Miracles in Abuja

I was expecting someone to be bring this up.

Who knew Abuja in the 60s, 70s or even 80s. When you're mentioning the top 3 cities in Nigeria, a new city like Abuja comes second after Lagos. Ad the idea has never been to make Abuja like Lagos and that is why properties in the capital are exorbitant which means that people who naturally run to Lagos won't even consider Abuja. If Abuja had been opened up like Lagos, it would have exploded beyond trace.

aribisala0:
We copied nothing .You people just make up silly beer parlour theories that have no basis or meaning.

Such disparities are seen everywhere In France in Italy( Milan-Lombardy) in the USA to say somehow this is a British disease is crazy
The US has 50 states with a GDP of $18 trillion

California has a GDP of $2.6 trillion, 14 % of the nation and more than the bottom 30 states combined
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gross_State_Product_(GSP)

Texas 1.6 trillion ,New York 1.5 trillion.


The issue is not down to national governance but opportunities and people and regional governaance.

Thank God you did not abuse me this time

It's wrong to compare those countries to Nigeria.

Can you tell me one field of endeavour that is not centered i Lagos. They are rare. The Banking, Insurance and every financial institution is headquareted in Lagos. Manufacturing is also in the Lagos/Ogun corrdor. Entertainment kwanu? lagos. Just tell me one thing that Lagos does not dominate. But for those countries you mentioned it's not like that.

Milan is the fashion capital of Italy. Sicily and Venice are tourist destinations. Rome is the capital and religious capital of the modern world.

In France, Paris may be the largest city and pretty similar to what we have in Nigeria but other cities are equally representing.

In America, As much as California has the largest economy. It's not so far apart from Texas and New York. Texas and New York have a GDP percentage of 9% and 8% respectively. Almost every state and city in the US is known for something. NYC is the business and financial capital of America with Chicago not very far away. Los Angeles is the entertainment (mostly movies) capital of America. Houston is an oil city. Miami is a tourist city. Microsoft is not in any of these cities. It's in Seattle, Washington. Cocacola and CNN are headquareted in Atlanta Georgia and so on. Can't we have something like that in Nigeria?

InyinyaAgbaOku:
My dear, that's what did it for Lagos. Sole Port location for consumer goods.
If SS ports were gazetted for consumer goods and not only arms, the whole of the former Eastern region will rival Lagos.

Yes, that's one of the things that put Lagos on a pedestal.

Chukazu: I read a similar article by BBC about how London underdevelope UK cities and I thought to myself, this must be a disease traceable to British style of governance which you can't find in France, Germany or Italy

We actually copied that type of governance from the British. As much as there are some other notable cities in Britain, it is because the country is developed and just about every part will have a city. But the gap between London and other cities is nothing but astronomical which is similar between Lagos and other Nigerian cities. it also rings true in other British colonies such as Ghana, Kenya, Tanzania etc.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
Ports Ports Ports

Yes, ports are important but they're not everything. But cities like Atalnta, Dallas, Stuttgart, Milan and many other cities are land locked but are doing well. So, it's not just about having ports. A good governor will in earth the potential of a state without needing either a seaport or airport. But these are also important.

Guestlander:
You are right, Germany is now more evenly developed and the disparity I was trying to point out is not easily noticeable.
This is also true for the other countries I mentioned but if you dial the clock back to when these countries were still developing then you will fully understand what I was trying to point out.
These economic positions are obviously not written in stone especially when other regions are also working hard to get ahead.

Some regions like California and Ontario have been able to hold on to their leading positions in their various countries for a very long time and I have never heard of a situation when any of them was regarded as stunting the development of their sister states, instead other states are constantly working hard to improve their own economy.
My main concern therefore is why are other states not trying to catch up with Lagos? Government should not be compelling private companies to locate their headquarters or businesses anywhere that is not how businesses operate, if you provide a conducive environment for them to come to your state, I think they will come without any coercion.

What exactly is the difference between Calfornia, Texas and New York states? Is it the same as the difference between Lagos, Rivers and Delta? I don't think so. At least 40% of states in the US are almost at the same level and compete favourably. California just happens to be winning at the moment with no so big margin. Tomorrow it could be Texas or New York. In Nigeria, it is Lagos and others.

alexiej:
I get your point. But my own point is, there's enough... Enough potentials in other states too, that those state governments are not taking advantage of. The potentials may vary, and Lagos may have the upper hand of its antecedents and stuff, but other states also have a lot to exploit, if there weren't such mediocres in government. I'll give an example.

About 4 years ago, I went for the law week program (a week program for lawyers) in Ibadan, and I heard the speakers (many of whom were from Lagos) speak. It got to a point that they kept saying stuff like "In Lagos, we now have this", "In Lagos, we do that"... And even the moderator or so had to comment about it. It was as if (and it was quite obvious actually) that Lagos was quite far ahead in their legal system. They could settle a case during Case Management Conference within 3 months, and not have to spend years in court... Etc. Now, did that come from population size? No. Did that come from antecedent? No. It only took a thinking leadership to exploit the smart brains in the system. Every state has those smart brains, unfortunately, not every state has the thinking leadership. So all that the other states could do was to copy the Lagos model.

With such a small land mass (compared to other states) and such large population, Lagos is able to "manage" their traffic. I put manage in quote because traffic in Lagos is still very terrible, but when you consider that Oyo state, with such a larrrge land mass, and just about 5 million people, (maaanyy of whom do not have cars) also has terrible traffic many times, then you'll commend Lagos.

I agree with you, really. "Lagos was a goldmine", but I'm saying other states are also massive goldmines. It only takes intelligent governments to dig it out. And even without talking about revenue generation issues, we can see that many other governments lack the capacity to think, such that even if they had the same antecedents, population, opportunities that Lagos had/has, they still wouldn't have been able to take advantage of it.

You have a point. And yes, every state is a goldmine however, what they lack is the push that Lagos got. That's my point. For instance, Oyo is a state with a lot of potential. It even has a huge population size but there's a brain drain in places like Oyo whereby the best brains go to Lagos, Abuja or abroad. In Nigeria, it's like if you're not in Lagos, you can't make it in life. That's the anthem that the federal government have perpetuated over the decades because they have setup infrastructure that has put Lagos at a pedestal that it's easier for the current government to build upon. Even states like Akwa Ibom that have the money decided to use it to develop their states, they built quality roads, bridges, hospitals, schools etc but the hospitals were virtually empty as there were no doctors available. All the doctors were in Lagos. Lagos doesn't try so hard, things just work it it because everything is there already. Other states on the other hand will need some catalyst whether in form of an individual or resources to turn things around.

Lynxx, come and carry your pikin

einsteine:
No, it is California, Texas, New York, Illinois and Florida. Top five US state economies.

Yeah, just confirmed that. I thought the Texas oil industry made it number one.

einsteine:
Actually, the state with the biggest economy in the US is California followed by Texas.

I thought it was Texas before California.

PunditAfrica:
People have bn migrating to lagos since late 18th century my dear. B4 Nigeria, Lagos was already a huge potential. That the white pple settled in lagos to administer yet to be Nigeria as far back as 185* was not a mistake. Lagos is meant for greatness...

Many pplaces were meant for greatness but they never happened because they did not get the push that Lagos got. You can deny it all you want but Lagos got the push that other part of Nigeria did not get.

logica:
Confrontational? With who? LMAO. You can't even get that your state Governors are the ones under developing states by embezzling funds and ironically bringing them to Lagos to invest; you are deflecting the matter to "flagship". Where is the argument in that?

You see what i'm talking about. A simple discussion has turned to your state versus my state. na wa

logica:
...and what does being the so called "flagship" city have to do with "Lagos under developing the rest of Nigeria"? Calabar was "flagship" no be so? Please, if you want Enugu as "flagship" we can give it to you.

Why must everything be fight for some of you. Can't we have a simple discussion without being confrontational?

Is Adeyinka Adeyao their father? Must they be everywhere? They must have probably sent someone to represent them.

logica:
There is even no parallel with the comment in bold. Lagos unlike the Oyinbos did not go to the other states to steal resources and subjugate the inhabitants. This write up is more or less making the claim that the name Lagos is synonymous with the names of Governors of other states. Did Lagos push these Governors to steal funds from their states and then bring these funds to come build hotels and houses in Lagos? Aha.

I don't think the writer implied what you're saying. Was Lagos Nigeria's flagship city or not?

alexiej:
Well, actually, Nasarrawa cannot do much with their mineral resources cos the Fed Govt has exclusive rights to that... But I get your point though.

I stay in Oyo State and I know how desperately 'UN-INNOVATIVE' our leaders are here. No thoughts as to how to increase IGR, apart from taxes and levies. Osun gov could not generate anything reasonable from his state and he blamed the Jonathan administration for his inability to pay his staff cos according to him, Osun got the lowest allocation. Now, his party member is president and he can't complain about that anymore, yet, he hasn't paid salaries.

I am a law student. I know the landmark laws and procedures that Lagos has pioneered in Nigeria. They seem to review their laws regularly and even though there's still a lot to do, they seem to be on their toes about it. But what do you see in Oyo State, Osun state, etc? Copy copy! Busy copying from Lagos!!!

I agree with you bro.... It would actually be unfair to think Lagos has anything to do with the failures of other states.

You people make it seem as if Lagos was founded in 1999. Lagos has been there for decades and people starting trooping into Lagos as far back as the 50s, so don't make it seem like it's Tinubu, fashola or Ambode's magic that made people from all over the place to troop to Lagos. The federal government made it so. As much as other state governments are not trying. They did not meet the luxury that Lagos governors met. lagos was a goldmine waiting to be explored. You can't have almost 20 million inhabitants in a city with thousands to millions of business and not see a cash cow. That of what Lagos has taken advantage of.

Guestlander:
I think what we are seeing regarding Lagos is true for many other countries, for Germany it is Bavaria, for USA it is California, China the Guangdong region, Canada it is Ontario. Lagos is not underdeveloping the rest of Nigeria it is actually doing the opposite.

Are you this ignorant? Germany has Berlin, Munich, Franfurt, Hamburg etc. America has New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Atalnta, Houston, Boston etc. Canada has Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal etc. China has Beijing, Shangai, Guangzou, even Hong Kong etc

This topic is really interesting but trust the stupid people of this world to run it down with their low IQ and they wonder why their families still languish in unimaginable poverty when their supposed bread winners are busy behaving like children on Nairaland. What a set of wasted generation.

@topic
Like i side this is an interesting topic and i agree with the writer wholeheartedly. Lagos has been Nigeria's bride for a very long time and this has affected the growth and development of other Nigerian cities. The only cities that have seen to enjoy some form of attention are Abuja because it's Nigeria's new capital and Port-hacourt because it's the headquarter of the oil industry. But i think right now, we have to blame Lagos less and put the blame squarely on the federal government which has refused to practice a true federal system where no state should be dependent on the federal government. That way the states will get creative and carve a niche for themselves. Right now, everybody is lazy because they get monthly stipends from the federation account. Lagos is lucky because it was already set for greatness before Nigeria started falling apart. So, it has used that unique advantage to grow even more than ever before. Ogun state is supposed to use it's closeness to Lagos to also create something for itself but the governments of Ogun state from Osoba till now have not been ambitious. The spill off from Lagos into Ogun state is just a natural phenomenon. The Ogun state government have had no hand in it. Since Lagos is becoming choked, it's only natural for people to spread out to where there's and.

Oga, format this your post now. You wan blind us?

emmasege:
There's only one joker to changing this negative change in 2019. Get a nationalist from the north east or middle belt, and break their monolithic voting pattern. As at today, APC can as well forget about some north east and north central states in 2019. If katsina can register their annoyance at this government by voting PDP in this bye election, one can only imagine what would be the outcome if another General election were to hold today.

APC is aware that they can only extend their stay in Aso Rock beyond 2019 by destabilising the PDP, hence the infiltration of the umbrella camp. We hope the crisis is resolved sooner or another formidable opposition party emerges.

God bless Nigeria.

APC should forget the North Central but not the North East. As long as they present a popular northerner in 2019, they should be able to get atleast 70% of the votes they got from the NW and NE in 2019. But if they present a southerner then they should forget it because any major opposition party that presents a northerner wins it in those regions.

dingbang:
mehn if I ever become an owner of a school, I will make sure CCTV cameras are installed everywhere in the school premises.

Do you think owners of schools have not thought of this. The issue is the money to setup this CCTV cameras.

2019 will be interesting...but only as interesting as getting a formidable opposition.

Dem dey find hotel for Owerri? That's the hotel capital of Nigeria and there are loads of hotel within your range too.

SuperS1Panther:
See this omo abinpanbe omo ikan osu forming speaking yoruba.

We are pushing words back into your thriat, till you choke on it

Omofunaab2:
Hey, shut the crap. You are the one that has been humiliated and disgraced already on this thread and on this forum ..seriously i feel so bad for you . People call you a disgraced mod, Now a tribalist and then an hypocrite. ..i know you must be mad at yourself right now and probably annoyed too

Like i said earlier, you don't need to be ashamed of being called a tribalist, you just need to shut the fvck up and let's enjoy the show together

So, your plan worked. I think at this moment, i have to say good bye to you peeps and rest in peace jobless twats.

BlackDBagba:
Could just be innocent. I for a fact have cleaned my glass like this before.
Quote me and fall !

As long as it's your glass...but this woman is using her dirt slayqueen spit to clean glasses meant for her customers.

While reading the article, i didn't even know that it was written in 1994 and that is because it is as relevant today as it was in 1994 and it will remain relevant for a long time to come.

The thing about stereotypes is that they hardly go away except something revolutionary happens that moves people's attention from the negative stereotypes. The thing with stereotypes is the more they are said, the more they become true. This is because the more they're being perpetuated, the more you will find evidence to support these stereotypes. By doing this, you will close your eyes to opposites of the stereotypes so that what you believe will remain true. That's is why a lot of people say there's a lot of truth in every stereotypes.

Yes, there's some truth in every stereotype and it won't make any difference if you take one stereotype from one group and out it on another. Infact, there are states with some stereotypes and it's funny that when some parts of that state is carved out to form another states, automatically the new state is free from that stereotype. For instance there's a stereotype about Anambra people doing ogwu ego (Blood money) and before 1991, my state was part of Anambra and all of us were at the receiving end of this stereotype. The moment, Enugu was carved out from Anambra, we became free from this stereotype. So, i ask, is it that our part of Anambra was not into blood money or people just identified the name "Anambra" with blood money. Which means that if you carve Asaba into Anambra state, they will also suffer the same fate?

SuperS1Panther:
Hypocritical Afam4eva or is it Afam4neva, how market?

Can you still run your mouth, bunch of traitors. Whatever PMB decides to do with Osus and their gully eroded land, wallahi they deserve it 100ces.

Omofunaab2:
I wonder why eboes are avoiding this thread. .

This thread needs to be on frontpage once more.

Afam4eva is a tribalist, only God knows how many nairalanders he must have banned unjustly when he was still a mod. ...there's another tribalistic mod and ethnic supremacist in the culture section.. .The only difference is that ,that one is not an hypocrite like afam4eva ..

Keep whining till ya'll are ready to kill yourselves. Awon werey oloribu.

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