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coogar: wigan standard & yet maradonaesque passing.....

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Bros in a way u r preaching to the choir. I was a firm believer in Cleverley until sometime last season. He has the potential to b good (not great) but he has stagnated in his development lately. That is why i wanted someone like Modric,Fabregas to come in at the start of the season and give him some real competition and time on the bench, but the wise men of old trafford thot fellaini was d man.

I am not asking us to sell him, there is something to b said for youth team grads making it into the senior team. However i would buy a real world class partner for Carrick and Cleverley would be a really good squad player for us for now. When Carrick's time is up we would then revisit the issue

And another issue you might find hard to get from stats is quality of the passes,not just the quantity of forward or back ward passes.

For example when i watched Scholes (at his peak) play i never bothered about the number of sideways or backward passes he made in a match because i knew he was just setting things up to have the opportunity to make a better pass 20-30 seconds down the line ( as they say in basketball you give up a good shot to have a great shot).
However in Cleverley's case it seems like passing the ball sideways is the end target itself rather than a means to an end. He rarely ventures forward, he rarely makes up for his dozens of sideways and backward passes by giving us assists or at least key passes in the quantity we need.
because of his timidity going forward and the i.diocy of most of our wide men there is too much pressure on the no 10 to create chances.

coogar: says the fans that argue against facts & sticks to the popular belief. you see what you want to see - however, what you see is a mirage or an illusion. cleverley passes the ball forward whether you agree or not.



[b]so the above explains why cleverley should be making more forward passes than rooney? lololololol - this is hilarious & ridiculous.[/b]



hahaha - by the same token, cleverley also had more forward passes than scholes - an issue you would have argued against if i didn't produce the stats.



carrick had 37% of his passes forward because of the virtue of his position. he plays slightly behind cleverley & he has fewer options behind him to pass to than cleverley. this is also the reason ferdinand & evans also have low % of backward passing.



cleverley plays in a different system......barca play 4-3-3, united play 4-2-3-1. the passing options in both systems vary slightly. there's also the small detail of the accuracy of their passing.

cleverley has more accuracy, 37% of carrick's passes going forward become ineffective with less accuracy - even though they go forward, they fail to achieve the aim intended cos of a higher inaccuracy than cleverley's.

1) I wont be drawn into your Rooney issue, thats you and elampiro's nollywood movie, watch out for part 4

2) if you are comparing cleverley to a geriatric scholes who was clearly past it, i agree with you i would take cleverley over scholes, redondo or ray wilkins over the last 2 seasons

3) the truth is we both know carrick is better than cleverley, the point is carrick should have a more proactive partner not cleverley. cleverley would be a really good squad player to have for now.

P.S you didnt think of different formations in those teams when u were hyping cleverley's passing. the fact remains in those clubs very cautious passers are usually paired with someone who is more willing to play more expansive football and take a few more risks passing. i have seen cleverley too many times pass up a glaring opportunity for a through pass just to feed the ball wide to a full back, killing moves in utero!

coogar: and it didn't occur to you this is one of the reasons mikel won every title in england & in europe and song won nothing for arsenal in england? should a defensive midfielder be supplying assists when his team is conceding 49 league goals in a season? biko, what's the priority??

when song retires, he would show his children his assists while mikel would roll out his league titles, his champions league title, europa cup title, FA & carling cup medals. hmmmmm & community shield too.

back to cleverley & the myth he plays only sideways & backward passes.....this is the stats in 2012/13.

https://therepublikofmancunia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/accurate-passes.png

it's funny cleverley plays more forward passes than rooney & less backwards passes than rooney. there's a universe of difference between statistics & opinion from nkwobi beer parlour.

nail in the coffin!!!

Understanding the dynamics of the game it would be more logical to compare cleverley's stats to fellow midfielders who play in and around the same area he plays in, not comparing him to strikers and defenders and goal keepers. how many times in a game does de gea pass the ball backwards? compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges.

The midfielders there are Cleverley,Scholes and Carrick.
Cleverley has the highest percentage of backward passes amongst the midfielders at a whopping 15% compared to just 8% for both Carrick and Scholes
Carrick had 37% of his passes going forward compared to a paltry 23% by Cleverley.
Now this is the problem. Carrick despite his lack of pace is a pretty good screen in front of the defence, however Carrick should not be paired with a midfielder who is even less attack minded than Carrick as these your stats show. The comparisons you make are not quite accurate as Busquets at Barca has a more attack minded Xavi as partner, Mikel had Lampard,Ramires etc, Alonso had Gerrard.
The summary in my view is Cleverley is too timid offensively to be Carrick's partner.

dademola: a playa dt passes sideways and backwards has "vision"??

hahahahaha! ololololo!!

Vision definition..........the ability to think about or plan the future with imagination or wisdom

Vision synonyms........CREATIVITY,FORESIGHT,INVENTIVENESS,PENETRATION

Can anybody say that TomC has exhibited these qualities and not bleed from the mouth?

I am really happy Debosky's diction is so good, he will need all the gidigba words in his vocabulary to explain things to us come May

edoyad: Hopeless twats. Like debosky pointed out, after our toughest week so far, we still top the premiership and our UCL group. Now we go on a two week international break which will hopefully be enough time for some injured ones to return. We also pray no one gets injured while on international duty.
Our guys really looked short of energy initially, that Dortmund game really sapped us I guess. But thank God they gave a good account of themselves.

Is that why you went away with all the goat meat?
the party was still nice thanks to torres2 and DJ fredoooo

Heathen: Auto correct has failed me.....
I shall walk home nak.ed, dragging behind me the stone of shame.


Thanks for the correction Sir.

no mention, pls no forget your fufu.
torres2 don help u wrap am inside cloth make e no go cold

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Heathen: The last 4-5 pages have been AMAZING! You can tell they have been waiting with baited [b]breath [/b]for us to fail.
Unfortunately for them, today wasn't really a failure.



OK....... Maybe losing to that ugly Mango Moyes can be considered a failure.

oga na BATED not BAITED, ur english no pure like debosky own

ask torres2 for where the fufu dey, collect 2 wraps plus egusi and ogufe and take monkite to wash it down

Heathen: The last 4-5 pages have been AMAZING! You can tell they have been waiting with [b]baited [/b]breath for us to fail.
Unfortunately for them, today wasn't really a failure.



OK....... Maybe losing to that ugly Mango Moyes can be considered a failure.

oga na BATED not BAITED, ur english no pure like debosky own

ask torres2 for where the fufu dey, collect 2 wraps plus egusi and ogufe and take monkite to wash it down

Okikiade: 7seasons without a trophy we still have lot of admirers!Deep down your hearts,you're sourgrapes with maggots colony!You can catch me if you can!Kotokoto nlaja laa mi...(ugs your Heads)

oga heineken dey inside the black drum near kitchen

debosky: Play away DJs, we're still top of the league.

Yes we lost at OT, but it was not surprising considering how much we've had to produce this week to overcome Liverpool and more importantly Dortmund. A bit more quality in the final third and we'd have gotten a point.

No matter, these things do happen - Arsenal losing on a weekend where Citeh, Chelski and Spurs drop points isn't the worst thing in the world.

Looking back on the 'week of death', 3 points in the league and 3 points in the CL is a good return.

I see the pent up frustration from wanting to play but being silenced continually needs to be released. Have fun.

Oga which one be penthouse frustration? na true say u sabi blow grammar
before u go, shey na u go give vote of thanks?

DJ pls another KSA classic Mo ti mo

una know say me i always dey think ahead.
na who go give vote of thanks now as onile don run comot?

lalaboi: Bro... . ABeg, You get Honeywell wheat meal there?> I once use am down this efo riro made by Muki. i hope salt nor too much

Bros na naijababe you go ask that one. na dem cook the food, we just go collect key as onile don run comot

Smalling was very good defensively though he offered very little going forward, all in all nice effort.

Oh boy those Sagna crosses were the best i have seen this season.

finally!!!!

store key don land, if u see how much wahala we do before muki release key?

coded where you dey? shey na you barb punk siddon near kitchen?
u don try na u go first chop poundo

StarBoard: Maybe they are having love feast in church.
But she should not deprive band boys of food na.
Don't worry with deejay fredoooo, we won't miss the food

Edoyad said its deliverance service from Arsenal's enemies

fredoooooo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duIGRD8ks0k

DJ Fredoooooo! Fredo for Presido!!
nice one.


Awo egungun ni Arsenal le se, awo gelede ni Arsenal le mo
Bi Arsenal ba foju di Oro, Oro a gbe!!!

meanwhile DJ pls play my song na.

Ekilo fun omo ode by King Sunny Ade

StarBoard: Meet mukina.

mukina wey don run go church?

I am telling you these gooners dont know how to be hospitable.at all!

torres2: Fredoooooo I never see food for my angle.


Who is in charge?

wetin u want?

everything dey apart from poundo

coded guy: imagine!!! they served me rice without stew, so there is even coleslaw in this parry.

comot from the front tent! na from back dem dey serve am come, there is cole slaw and salad.

we have sent proudly to go and collect key from muki in her church, men want to eat poundo and efo riro.

DJ U R doing well.
pls play Ekilo fun omo ode by King Sunny Ade

Is that naijababe wearing lemon green buba?
see fine babe .
thanks for coming, mukina said you are the one with the coleslaw and salad

DJ pls play Mama said knock you out by LL Cool J

Arsenal fans are wicked!
Hmmmmm
For all those who want pounded yam and efo riro Mukina has locked the food in her room and she has carried the key with her to church

lalaboi: Can i do Mogbo MOYA?

you can, but no meat for your food and you no fit talk or dance with any babe for hia o

DJ Dozzy on the wheels of steel!
Bar man i.e Debosky pls one bottle of shine shine bobo for this our new DJ

joeydozzy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk-Ysukv4yA

oh DJ u are too much! ur head dey there


Every few years Gunners think they can deal with the real
Now i got to Zap Arseniiiilllllll!

Its 1-0 and for sure we'll kill !
Your players cant match our skill !!
Cos we r the kings of the hill !!!

pls DJ play King of the Hill by Westside Connection