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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 1:50am On Dec 12, 2013

What people are saying DK and patiently trying to explain to you is that although Bayern Munich have a great team and Borussia Dortmund have a good team too the Bundesliga as a whole has been historically AVERAGE (check the post above this one) and at present it is still AVERAGE ( check 2 posts above).

Once again the criticism is not about Bayern or Dortmund but when one team is great and a second team is very good but the other SIXTEEN teams are rubbish one can come to no other conclusion but that the league is pretty FECAL to say the least.

I can't think of any EPL team that my dear Man Utd as presently constituted under Gollum "the clueless" could have walloped 5-0 in such a comprehensive manner, in their home ground to boot......and that team is second in your highly esteemed league?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 1:47am On Dec 12, 2013

afrodoc: If you want to look at it historically more teams from England have won the European Cup/UCL than German teams. I think the score is 12 to 7 titles and 5 to 3 different clubs both in favour of EPL.

If you want to check more recently e.g last 10yrs 3 different EPL teams Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool have all had MULTIPLE appearances in the final with each winning it once. Last 10 years the score is 3 titles to 1 in favour of the EPL with and its 3 DIFFERENT CLUBS ( showing you the depth)

Even Arsenal our little brother has been to the final.

Right now Bayern Munich is obviously the best team in Europe but the German league lacks depth in quality

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 1:47am On Dec 12, 2013

JayKayMaybachz: In this year's Champions League, there
was a German team in every group in
which there was an English team.
Manchester United, Bayer Leverkusen
Man City, Bayern Munich
Chelsea, Schalke 04
Arsenal, Borussia Dortmund

Matches won by English teams: 6

Matches won by German teams: 2

Goals scored by English teams: 21

Goals scored by German teams: 8

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 10:10pm On Dec 10, 2013

chrisley024: Young should continue his beasting on d bench

olololoooo
he must have been removed for his beastly performance grin

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 6:25pm On Dec 10, 2013

coogar: i can bet all of them came against leverkusen.

it doesn't matter one jot.....he's a flat track bully. packing 5 assists out of 6 against one hapless team in germany & anonymous against a determined everton side.

compare rooney's performance to the other forwards drawing £250k per week from their club's coffers - ronaldo, messi, ibrahimovic then we can have a debate.

if you don't realise rooney's performance is disproportionate to his wages at this stage then there's no point debating even further.

the only question you should ask yourself - is rooney doing enough for the amount of money he gets?

Is Rooney the only person getting paid? Why are you fixated on his 250k? Maybe you should cast your salary screening net a bit wider.

Have you compared how much Ashley Young and Nani get compared to Adam Llallana? Or how much Cleverley and Anderson get paid compared to Ross Barkley?
Have you compared what Moyes is getting paid compared to Pochettino or Martinez?

Rooney leads the team in most of the attacking stats that really matter and in overall player rating.

He is 4th in the EPL in goals scored, 3rd in assists and 7th in overall player rating ( the only Man Utd player in the top 20) meaning only 6 players in the whole league have had better seasons so far.

So how can it be that of all the players in the team it is the only player that is at the top of most of the performance indices that you blame.
What about the other millionaires collecting 70k,80k per week and stinking up the place like skunks?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 2:38am On Dec 10, 2013

Wayne Rooney is being paid 250k per week, thats true but are the other guys in the team working for free? They should chip in!

Rooney in the EPL leads the team in the following

1) Goals..............8

2) Assists............5

3) Key Passes....2.2 per game

4) Player Rating...7.62

And he is near the top in the whole league for these stats.

If one is to criticize any player at United for not performing or if we are looking for one player to blame i don't think it should be Rooney

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 8:50am On Dec 09, 2013

elampiro: RVP can play in the hole. That is what Rooney haters have told us in the past.

LOL i see unlike previous matches nobody blamed the man in the hole for the defeat this time around. There is too much beef on this thread.
RVP is a better finisher than Rooney, Rooney is better than him in the hole.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 8:37am On Dec 09, 2013

Oghos1: they are too similar
I'd take pjanic from roma instead in addition to hererra

play them in a double pivot with strootman to the left and herrera to the the right.
the pjanic that i know can not play in central midfield for us, he would just be another player to share the playmaking position with rooney and kagawa. AND that we dont need.
we need strength and quality in defensive/central midfield and i think strootman and herrera could give us that, especially strootman who i rate highly.
if we have a solid midfield you will see our attacking players blossom. most of our problems both defensively and in attack stem from our inability to dictate play and control possession in midfield

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 6:56am On Dec 09, 2013

i would take strootman and ander herrera in january

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 6:55am On Dec 09, 2013

RuuDie: Omo... Ross Bark was there and we went to buy Fellaini for 27m.

*face in palms*

thank moyes for that one. barkley would have been sold for half of that maybe less, that aint gonna happen anytime soon now

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 4:27am On Dec 09, 2013

Ozil would have been a great buy but we did not desperately NEED him especially with Rooney and Kagawa already sharing that role behind the striker.
We needed 2 quality central midfielders with good ball distribution and work rate and enough mobility to get around. I was hoping for 2 out of Fabregas,Modric,Strootman etc but we got Fellaini sad

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 4:21am On Dec 09, 2013

oh boy it took me almost an hour to read all these pages.
Moyes don turn boys to Mike Maiyakis grin

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 12:25pm On Dec 07, 2013

[quote author=Mr_TA]This says more about Moyes than Zaha.[/quote]Yeah

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 11:48am On Dec 07, 2013

I don't think anybody is claiming that Jones is a world class midfielder or the long term answer to our midfield problems, however it looks like he is the best bet for now.

Rather than being a campaign or praise for Jones it is an indictment of the career midfielders in the team. Anybody who is expecting Fellaini to suddenly blossom at his age into a quality midfielder and deliver what he does not have is waiting on an extremely long thing. I would rather play ANY fit midfielder we have (even the cake mad fat Brazilian) instead of Fellaini.

And it is quite strange to buy a winger for 15m pounds and not even give him any minutes in the league especially since the wing play by the others has been so abysmal.

That midfield is an eye sore! In midfield you either keep the ball well and for long periods or you win back early. This is the only midfield i know for a big team that is very poor at both.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 2:10pm On Dec 01, 2013

look at cleverley?

he made sandro look like cruyff

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 12:51pm On Dec 01, 2013

dademola: Welbeck on d left?? I'd rada hav young protect evra. I hope welbeck proves me wrong sha!

lol bro i know you don't rily like welbeck but i believe he can do a decent job for the team if his primary job is not scoring goals.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 12:34pm On Dec 01, 2013

[quote author=Mr_TA]I guess its what we have. Im just happy i don't get to watch Fellaini.[/quote]Same here. The guy turns as if he is wearing mercury or lead boots!
I would even prefer the fat albert brazilian to come on in the 2nd half instead of our afroman

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 12:30pm On Dec 01, 2013

coogar: moyes is going with solidity.....
i don't have too much problem with the line up as long as he makes the right subs at the right time. there's enough ammo on that bench to swing it our way.

he wants evra more protected on the left at the expense of attacking football. welbeck is the king of ball recovery. jones inclusion is a no-brainer. smalling starts because of height advantage.

i cannot complain too much - apart from nani starting ahead of valencia. the smalling/valencia axis is the most clueless in the league.

Not a bad line-up and we have decent options on the bench.
Welbeck would offer Evra more protection than Nani and other especially since Evra is facing Lennon who has usually given him problems.

The thing is for Moyes to be proactive in making his subs and make smart ones too.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 12:17am On Nov 28, 2013

Does not detract from the fact that there are only 2 decent sides in the Bundesliga albeit the 2 clubs are 2 of the very best in Europe ( and yes i do watch the league).

I won't call the league boring and there are lots of technically good players there but physically and tactically they are not as good as they should be

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 11:47pm On Nov 27, 2013

If you want to look at it historically more teams from England have won the European Cup/UCL than German teams. I think the score is 12 to 7 titles and 5 to 3 different clubs both in favour of EPL.

If you want to check more recently e.g last 10yrs 3 different EPL teams Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool have all had MULTIPLE appearances in the final with each winning it once. Last 10 years the score is 3 titles to 1 in favour of the EPL with and its 3 DIFFERENT CLUBS ( showing you the depth)

Even Arsenal our little brother cheesy

has been to the final.

Right now Bayern Munich is obviously the best team in Europe but the German league lacks depth in quality

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 11:05pm On Nov 27, 2013

Very disappointing performance from Leverkusen, i expected more from them. Over 2 legs they did not show ANY quality at all, there was no threat from them, no urgency and over 180 minutes they played at the level of a championship side.

Bayern and Dortmund are 2 very good sides but presently there is lack of depth when it comes to quality teams in the German league.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by afrodoc(m): 10:58pm On Nov 26, 2013

nice one DJ . please play damino damoshe "fall in the circle"

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by afrodoc(m): 10:46pm On Nov 26, 2013

okay naaaaa, okay naaaaa
make una form into circle, permission to fall in
ko ma lo sempe!

wey band boys? cheesy

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 8:25pm On Nov 24, 2013

The flaws in the team are numerous but it all starts from midfield, that is where the primary lesion is

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 8:18pm On Nov 24, 2013

chamotex: I saw Valencia play against Argentina during the international break and he was on beast mode.
Crucified the fullback at every opportunity...almost didn't recognise him.

That is because the full back didn't recognize him. Valencia is a limited and one-way winger who will always be found out in the EPL cos opponents have had enough time to study him and know he is completely one-sided.

It is not surprising he shines for Ecuador against full backs and scouts that see him once in a blue moon and struggles in the league where his opponents watch him weekly.

P.S the Argentine full back Orban was having his debut for Argentina i believe so its not too surprising that he had a torrid time, not sure how many times he has actually seen Valencia play.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 7:24pm On Nov 24, 2013

Today is a landmark day in the history of football and Nairaland.

For the first time since the fall of the Roman Republic Coogar gave Rooney some "praise" and Elampiro "blamed" Rooney a little. shocked

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 7:15pm On Nov 24, 2013

Roooney had a good game until that useless pass in injury time. 87 % pass accuracy, 8 key passes, a goal and an assist.

He shirked his responsibilities by electing to pass that ball, he should have taken the shot.However had he taken the shot and missed he would have been vilified for not passing to Welbeck. However he did it that should have ended up with United scoring, either a well taken shot or a better weighted pass.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 6:50pm On Nov 24, 2013

Rooney can be an i.d.i.o.t sometimes.........ooops i have said that already

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 5:44pm On Nov 24, 2013

Januzaj making poor decisions so far, the team playing it like a friendly.
I dont want music on this thread today o

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 5:19pm On Nov 24, 2013

coded guy: Rooney scores! He shud have been sent off!

Elamps, was that a red card?

LOL
Rooney can be an i.d.i.o.t sometimes

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 4:36pm On Nov 24, 2013

elampiro: Now they are resting Kagawa to keep him fresh. Later some rastafarian will blame Rooney. To me, Rooney should be the one that needs rest.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 9:48pm On Nov 23, 2013

GustavoFring: You mean Clement?

He might be breeding a special 4-eyed, 8-legged rodent, possessing multiple jaws and teeth in its anus to completely dismember Tapsy and Elamps at their next encounter.

Or he might just be making a cup of tea while waiting for X-factor to come on. It is Saturday night after all.

oh boy ehhh! cheesy

"Clement! Clement!". Tapout is crazy mehn cheesy

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