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kai see how fellaini just dozed and allowed aguero to ghost in

omo moyes should throw in the towel

dopeJemi: Coogar stop dah nonsense talk jhoor, hau has rooney been left alone 2 lead d line, what is welbeck doing in d number 9 position? He's a big person, Young is a bastard and also a person... Valencia is a phucking liabiLity... Fuuuucccckkkkk

Ojigbijigbi see vex

for the first half
Valenica's pass accuracy 94%
Wayne Rooney 90%
Welbeck 100%

Asinine Young 62%

Mr_TA: What build up play?

LOL.
its like someone dosed their drinks with Valium

13 goal attempts to 1.
oh boy eh, this na apako

YOUNG! SMH

Build up play has been real SLOW

Valencia has been poor defensively. Even after the goal he is allowing Kolarov and Nasri to double up on Smalling

no ryan giggs!

hope boys are happy now?

well very few obvious candidates.......and the usual suspects drogba,adebayo,essien,etoo seem to be out of d picture

not to say mikel is a frontrunner though

mikel don score ooo

its looking like no music here tonight

TOO NARROW!

wide men cutting inside!!
overlapping full backs CUTTING INSIDE to join their wide men!!!

omo see etoo dey miss chance! e don chop too much akpu for russia

JM just said that Juan Mata's performances in his last 2 matches have not been convincing enough to include him in the match day squad.interesting
He also implies Luiz is out because he is not positionally and emotionally stable.

LOL. Mourinho has started wielding his big stick o. boys are not laffin

no MATA? whats the MATTER?

coogar: talk about instant impact....
hopefully, this would prompt birmingham to play him in every game. these lads need game time & the experience. lingard would come back and fight for a first team shirt.

i am happy for lingard. he and larnell cole were the quiet ones in that explosive youth team with pogba,morrison,will keane and tunnicliffe.
since then his finishing has improved markedly and apart from pogba i think he has made the most improvement in that side.
hope he comes back to fight for a first team place in a few months and hopefully with lingard,zaha and januzaj coming up that signals the beginning of the end for your boy Asinine Young........as well as baba Giggs of course

dayokanu: This is how Chelsea ruins some players career

In a World cup year playing for a competitive National Team Jose decides to ruin Mata.

Why not just sell him in summer

Look at how Bayern sold Gustavo and Gomez without any fuss to their preferred clubs just to help their careers

Financially, Mata this summer would have gone for an upward of 40m, After a season on the bench and playing as a full Back lets see how much he goes for

Those eagerly celebrating the coming of the Special one I wonder what they have to say now

I am hoping Fulham gets the win today

u too talk. just make sure say band boys and instruments complete today

we suppose start with bonue fuji today then rewind to talazo .hope rising

dayokanu: ^^
-Tyson was a ferocious attacker and woeful in defence yet he is one of the All time Boxing great

-Barca is a blistering attacking team but suck defensively and in goalkeeping yet one of the greatest team of modern times

-Brazil 1970 was a great attacking team which was mediocre in defence yet the best team of their generation

-Madrid at the turn of the century cant be bothered with defence and yet achieved a lot

-The Italians are one of Europes best side and they place more emphasis on defence than attack

-Juventus is the best Italian club domestically yet they are a very defensive side

Point is there are many ways to win and to be a great side

EXACTLY

A-40:
This is actually ironic because Madrid at least recently actually have more quality overall but less balance
Iniesta and Xavi played in a system that allowed their abilities to be highlighted and flourished look at Iniesta for example who by all standards is goal shy if he were in another club odds are he would have been offloaded

Abidal,Thuram,Puyol,Alves,Marquez,Pique? Who said Barcelona didn't have good defenders? List Madrid defenders and tell us about this so-called "gulf in class"? Are you talking about Madrid that could not sniff UCL semis before Mourinho came along and were routinely r@ped by Lyon and Liverpool?


They might not have been exceptional or household names but they were competent and did the job else they woulda been exploited! Simple

when the attacking players are pele,rivelino,jairzinho,tostao,gerson and the defending players are in your own words "not exceptional" does that seem like balance to you?
that team like so many other great teams won because they had exceptional players in some departments of d game not because they were balanced.dont go believing that all great teams had balance,supreme quality in one department can make up for deficiencies in some other departments

A-40:
This is actually ironic because Madrid at least recently actually have more quality overall but less balance
Iniesta and Xavi played in a system that allowed their abilities to be highlighted and flourished look at Iniesta for example who by all standards is goal shy if he were in another club odds are he would have been offloaded

Abidal,Thuram,Puyol,Alves,Marquez,Pique? Who said Barcelona didn't have good defenders? List Madrid defenders and tell us about this so-called "gulf in class"? Are you talking about Madrid that could not sniff UCL semis before Mourinho came along and were routinely r@ped by Lyon and Liverpool?


They might not have been exceptional or household names but they were competent and did the job else they woulda been exploited! Simple

I meant a gulf in class between Barca's attacking players and its defensive players.as has been repeated ad nauseam here when u talk abt balance u r comparing the different departments of the SAME team

Thuram? really? are u talking abt the 34yr old over the hill guy that played in 41 la liga matches in 2years? hope u r aware that thuram's 2yrs in barca were the seasons btw their 2nd and 3rd chaps league titles.they didnt win anything in europe with thuram.strike him off that list he was past it by then.Alves is a mediocre defender better going forward than defending.that leaves puyol and pique, marquez i liked but injuries curtailed his career. now compare that to messi,zlatan,ronaldinho,etoo,henry,iniesta,deco etc

A-40:
@Afrodoc
How do you dominate Europe for 5 years without sufficient balance? That is a very significant sample size so its hard to believe they did so without being even more balanced than Madrid. Forget the names being paraded by Madrid

System and Coaching >>> Individuals

Barcelona had a system with a coach and core of players that understood the system and executed to a T. It doesn't get more balanced than that

no need to over flog the issue. like i said earlier there is a difference between balance and quality.
barca dominated because of their quality not cos of balance.they were an attack heavy team with one of the greatest attacking talents ever ably supported by artists like iniesta,xavi etc and u can throw in etoo and ronaldinho.they had less talent at the back in terms of numbers and quality and their defenders were not the topnotch performances their attackers were,there was a gulf in class. thats not balance

pele's team of 1970 wasnt very balanced but it had quality and was successful and regarded as one of the greatest ever.
there have been several great teams that had balance and several great teams that did not.balance is not a sine qua non to success

debosky: I have a question for you Ibime: Is there ANY loss that you wouldn't blame on Emenalo? I ask because you were counting almost all of Benitez' losses as caused by Emenalo (similar to what you did for RdM).

It is too easy/convenient to blame every bad result solely on the player buying policy.

By the way, you've been unfair to Emenalo - in your 'winger count' you conveniently ignored he also signed Cahill - or was he not a 'scouted signing'

my point exactly you can't blame every defeat on imbalance and ascribe it to the machinations of a guy who works in the boardroom. at what point do you start holding the players you do have and the manager who sets them up accountable?

My last point.No doubt the team has poor balance but always laying the blame at that door means u risk turning a blind eye to other flaws especially those that can be corrected immediately. team balance is not correctable until the next window so other solutions have to be found short term.
too many wide men shooting and dribbling rather than passing(hazard,schurrle).

too many wide men rather than stretching the play are coming inside(all of them) to......dribble and shoot.

many wide men but game is still played narrow, narrow game play is very easy to defend against.

SAF understood the secret powers of good wing play,its d great equalizer. it makes a team of technically limited players appear good cos with good wing play you always have a chance of scoring goals.
your wingers should start playing like wingers!

Barca has no balance, United has no balance, Juve went the whole season unbeaten with mediocre strikers.
the loss to basle was because of poor play from players and the manager could not correct it. hazard dribbling 2 to 3 opponents on the half way line rather than passing to a free team mate and getting the ball later near the box is POOR INDIVIDUAL PLAY not POOR TEAM BALANCE.
the team has 3 strikers struggling for form.

One more point.Chelsea lost to Basle not because they were outmuscled or overrun in midfield,it was cos the Swiss side kept coming forward for d equalizer and winner.they did not feel threatened by your team's attack.........off form strikers and AMs can do that.

however i think chelsea fans should be a lil patient and give mourinho and d team time to sort out their problems which could just be teething problems.it is accepted by everyone that these are not the usual JM players so it will take time for players and manager to get used to each other.

however it is unusual when a team keeps buying attacking players of the same ilk and neglects(in my view) the defence. this is where i feel Ibime's pain (not rily i aint a chelsea fan ) ....ok at least understand his grouse.

but one cant lay the blame for every single defeat at the doorstep of imbalance.i am a united fan and all of us agree that our midfield has been weak ever since scholes aged and hargreaves and fletcher succumbed to medical issues.but that hasn't stopped us winning titles.
Madrid are arguably more balanced than Barca but that hasnt stopped Barca outperforming them regularly and in football today the list of truly balanced teams is very short indeed.

OK i get your point on 100 percent balance.
So ur submission is that both 100 % balance and 100% perfection are not achievable? i wont argue too much with that however i believe that one can still achieve balance but perfection is a myth.

my issue with your previous posts was your assertion that balance and perfection are one and the same.balance is about the mix of d different departments of a team, perfection is about so much more INCLUDING balance.
A team can be balanced without being perfect but a team can not be perfect without being balanced first.

coogar: how can you be unbalanced & yet perfect? How can you be imperfect but yet balanced? you said balance is a state in which forces occur in equal proportions. how's that not perfection?

you are saying an equilibrium can be imperfect? how so?? you said the ac milan team between 1988-94 was a balanced one, how did you reach that conclusion? that they were better than the others only suggests they were less-unbalanced than their rivals, it does not mean they were 100% balanced.

LOL u just proved my point! Balance and Perfection are NOT the same thing. U just proposed that AC Milan were LESS UNBALANCED than other teams right? You can improve on balance? Well you can't improve on perfection, u cant be more perfect or LESS UNPERFECT! u r either perfect or u are not.

A team can be be balanced but not perfect because balance is only ONE of several parameters to be assessed for a team trying to be perfect.there are other parameters like quality of the individual players themselves,team chemistry etc.


Balance and quality arent the same. A perennial midtable team might be more balanced than a top 5 team.

Balance and Perfection are different,i dont know why there is a debate about that.

Balance is a state in which different elements e.g attack and defence,youth and experience occur in equal or correct proportions.

Perfection is the state of having no flaws or defects and being as good as it is possible to be.

A team can be balanced if its constituent elements are in approximately equal proportions e.g AC Milan in the 1988-1994 period was a balanced team.However no team is ever perfect because there is usually a flaw somewhere and even if a flaw is not obvious there is always room for improvement.

Balance is something that is achievable and perfection is not.
Lastly the concept of balance is about comparing the constituent elements of a team i,e attack,midfield,defence etc NOT comparing the team to another team


Having said all that even though i believe the Chelsea team does lack balance,that was not the reason they lost to Basle.The team put out on the night was good enough to thrash Basle.Some players are just under-performing and the manager is not doing enough to correct the problems in the team

------------De Gea

....Smalling-----Rio---Vida----Evra

--------Carrick------Fellaini-----

---Valencia---Rooney-----Kagawa/Nani

------------RVP--------


keep the defence as it is.
carrick and fellaini sure starters esp cos fellaini is one of the few midfielders in the EPL who can slow(not stop) yaya toure down.

valencia cos its kolarov not clichy on that side and the speed differential might count for something PLUS he should be brimming with confidence.
kagawa or nani on the left,whoever has more fitness.shouldnt start 2 of them together cos they both have questionable match fitness.

Rooney supporting RVP........nuff said