₦airaland Forum

Gbawe:
Some of you should understand what Ribadu achieved in a democracy and without the power to arbitrarily lock folks up whenever he fancied . [/b]In the context of the modern world, with technological challenges and advancement that make things far more daunting than in less complicated times , Ribadu's achievements are spectacular and this is why the entire world rates him highly . By all means praise your candidate but lets not jettison commonsense and logic to the extent we start insulting those who have delivered for Nigeria[b] recently. In Buhari's time , he was simply able to jail corruption without any arguement . In Ribadu's time , corruption was allowed to fight back Ibori-style. Ribadu therefore needed more skills and tact to operate successfully since he was not a head of State who can simply lock folks up and throw away the keys.

@Gbawe, the bolded part of your posts is stretching it a little too far. Ribadu knowing he had the backing of OBJ, did to an extent arbitrarily lock up folks whenever that would help him achieve what he wanted. Let me remind you of the Plateau, Rivers and Bayelsa house of Assembly members, plus the storming of Adenuga's residence.

Indeed the world rated him high and fancied him a lot, when he was diligent at doing the main EFCC work. Upon using that diligence to build up his stock, he however dabbled and muddied himself up in the politics of the times and allowed himself to be used by OBJ. The US govt did in fact reduce their funding of the EFCC at some point and did request for clarifications from him, when the noise about him being used was getting too loud.
Corruption was allowed to fight back against Ribadu, when he started soiling his hands and therefore created the opening to enable folks ridicule or hold him to ransom. A case in point, for all of what Ribadu portrayed about Odili, and kept on saying the court gave a restraining order; it is on record that EFCC under his watch did not even try to appeal that judgement, as it was just convenient to hide under such. A closer scrutiny of that particular case would uncover more dirt, did you know that the EFCC lawyer in that case was not even bothered to be in court in 3 different sessions prior to the judge's pronouncement!

In as much as I admire you and also Ribadu, I fail to accept a man that would compromise his principles for personal benefit. I can understand one that compromises for the greater good of all, but not one that compromises for personal benefit.

Beaf:
Yes Ribadu is finished politically (except as a jobber). Buhari is leading the last charge of the clueless generals that led Nigeria into her current mess.
It is highly instructive that neither Ribadu nor Buhari can even articulate the reason they are running for president. We really don't need such.

After 2011, its the bin for the sort of strange politics the likes of Buhari practices; such as holding campaign rallies almost exclusively in the North and not making any attempts to woo the South. Unsurprisingly, all members of Yar Adua's cabal (from Turai to Aliero, Kurfi, Ruma etc) have found shelter in Buhari's party.
Sectional politics along with the ethnically bigoted politics of zoning must be buried for Nigeria to progress.

@Beaf, I support the bolded part in your post. To ensure this, we must vote out the party that practices this bigoted politics of zoning - PDP!
As you remember, the Chairman of the BOT, the veritable OBJ, just confirmed that zoning is here to stay in PDP, even long after he is dead. Giving that OBJ is the main backer of GEJ, does that mean that you despise what GEJ is supporting?

papadonkee:
The debt relief that Nigeria is obtaining is a key component of the challenge of meeting the MDGs in Nigeria. One of the key benefits is the elimination of unsustainable annual debt service payments to external creditors. The additional US$1 billion that the FGN will save every year for the next 20 or more years will now be spent on providing primary education, primary health care, rural infrastructure, electrification, water supply and other key poverty reducing sectors. For this reason, the Presidency has set up a new office, the MDG office, to ensure procedures are put in place to effectively use the proceeds of debt relief for these purposes.

Like I said, I am reluctant to call you a liar. Can we settle for "well-intentioned but adorably un-informed"?

2. Read my Post 15. In it the ACN Publicity Secretary will explain why his Party needs at least N240 million for just the National Assembly Elections. We, the PDP, co-sign his statement.

So, in summary, she didn't embezzle the money meant for the Trust Fund - the funds were publicly given to female aspirants. UNDP played no part AT ALL in this matter - it was UNIFEM (aka UN Women). No money was given to her by the Party for Anambra Women, and the bone of contention about the money released by the Party is that while some want to pocket it, she wants to use it for its intended purpose: the elections.

@papadonkee, Thanks for coming back on this.

Let me reiterate to you clear once again, the pointblanknews IS NOT my basis for picking the holes, thus I aint interested in them. I got interested when I read her rejoinder and I saw some logical holes in them.

Now to the items. Let me quote from the interview of the SSA

"EC: How are the MDGs funded?

Make it very clear that overall, all budgets within the country attend to the MDGs in one way or another, and that is it. For instance, the state governments pay the teachers and education, and portable water, but we don’t exactly communicate that as well. I mean if you do an evaluation you will see. The MDGs office money comes from debt relief gain. What that means is that when we got the debt relief, we made a saving. It is not money that was given to us in touch and feel. It is a saving that we made. So instead of just sort of melting into the budget, we decided that let us put it as a line item: set it aside in a virtual poverty fund and dedicate it towards MDGs related events that will increase and leverage our ability to get the MDGs, and so it comes totally from that.

Like I said, all monies saved from not paying debts/associated interest accrues to the federation account and is shared to all tiers of govt. The above confirms it, just that the FGN and States have an understanding to try and ensure that monies that would hitherto have been spent servicing such debts are diverted towards the MDG. To buttress, since not all states owed equal amounts (some states did not even owe), would each state then not budget towards the MDG?
Yes I agree that our debt relief made more money available to the federation account and it was one of the selling points for the debt relief but saying that is the sole source of funds is stretching it too thin. You can check our budget since the debt relief and calculate how much have gone to education and other MDG goals.

That ACN needs 240 million on election days does not support your stance. Irrespective of whether a lady is contesting or not, PDP would still need polling agents on election day. Thus they need not provide special money for women except to help them in their campaigns. Example, for the NASS elections, I am a volunteer polling agent and would cover for all party aspirants on that day, we would not require an extra person just because one of the candidates is a woman, would we?

You believe she didn't embezzle because she gave out cheques to some people on inauguration day! Ok, let me give this illustration, if she was given 150M, and she gave out cheques of One Million to 100 aspirants, (note a 100 is quite a crowd), would that imply that she did not embezzle 50M? To clear the air, it would be a simple statement of accounts or a more transparent rejoinder stating how much was given and how many aspirants.

BTW, I noted that while you alluded to the funds being provided by UNIFEM (now UNDFW), she did not provide that in her rejoinder but only claimed that UNDP was not involved. She cleverly left out that another organ of the Un was involved, and note that UNDP and UNDFW are close enough for someone to juxtapose or mistake them one for another.

As you'd notice, I'd ignored your attempt to impugn my person. Stick to the discourse we are engaged in.

papadonkee:
@Akainzo, good morning. I hope you slept well. I don't think you did, because you were a lot more thorough yesterday. But I digress, let me get back to tearing your argument apart.

Thanks for inquiring about my health. I slept very well and I woke up with a smile and had a happy heart, at work now and still in very good spirits.

papadonkee:
I won't say this is a lie, because I don't want to call you a liar. I'll just say that this is Untrue. Again, when in doubt, call on Google. The Office of the Senior Special Assistant to the President on MDGs is funded from the savings we made from our debt relief. So instead of us paying the debt, it gets channeled back into the country to help meet the MDG targets. I think you were confused by the fact that UNDP, like UNIFEM (now called UN Women) also focus their interventions along the MDG goals.

Unfortunately, you do have a right to say I lied, if you believed I did, I won’t sugar-coat o!
Now what do you want me to Google? "Office of the Senior Special Assistant to the President on MDG", "Administering MDG" or "MDG" itself? Pray tell me what you want me to Google?
Anyway, the MDG are a set of parameters that countries/govt have signed up for under the UNDP to achieve by a certain time. To ensure compliance and guarantee success, the UN through the UNDP has provided some backup funds to each country towards achievements of those goals. These funds are part of what Nigeria uses, possibly to fund your SSA on MDG 

As an aside, the savings from debt relief are kept in the federation account and shared in line with the Revenue formula and NOT given to any Senior Special Assistant. Except of course you are telling us that money has been growing wings through this your SSA positions!

papadonkee:
I have declared several times that I am a card-carrying member of the PDP, and I know how Parties are run. If she was chosen by the Party as its leader in Anambra, then it is more than likely that funds, PARTY FUNDs, for the elections were given to her to disburse. From my understanding of her statement, it appears that a clique wanted her to kill and divide the money, and she refused, instead choosing to use the funds in a strategic, targeted manner. I know, for instance that these funds are for the elections, and not for campaigns. It then would make no sense, in my humble opinion, to for instance give a state assembly candidate 'his money' today when his election is 3 weeks away.

You really lost me in your bolded parts. What is the money for elections meant for, if not for campaigns?  OK, I get it, it is the money meant to bribe election officials on voting day! Up PDP.

papadonkee:
So in answer to your question, I believe that funds were shared, but I'm betting on her integrity over those of disgruntled party leaders and faceless journalists.

Hmmmm, nice of you to believe her story rather than others crying foul. For me I neither believed the story of those crying foul or pointblank, rather I have just said from her defence, in her own words, things are not adding up.

papadonkee:
Fair enough. But now that I have blown holes in the accuracy of the PointblankNews.com report, could you please share with this forum your analysis of them?

Again, my issues are not taken from the pointblanknews, rather they are issues arising from her own press release.

papadonkee:
Take your time, sleep for a few more hours; take a shower; have breakfast. Come back when you're wide awake. I dey here - I no dey run. 

Awww, sorry on this one, I'm at work now, so would leave that till later in the evening.

papadonkee:
Akainzo, now you're trying to shift your goal posts. Initially you were concerned about where the funds were deposited, and what she did with the money from UNDP.

Now that I have argued that the Trust Fund has its own account, that UNDP was never involved, that no money was given by any donor agency for Anambra women, you are now weakly suggesting that even if a dedicated account exists, she could possibly still have siphoned money, abi? And please read her statement again - when she said she will not be blackmailed into sharing money, she was talking about PDP funds, not government funds.

Once again, let me try to separate the two issues: as a minister, she responded to the allegation that she had embezzled monies from the Trust Fund by saying that the Fund was independent, and had its own account.

Papadonkee, please check the highlighted parts of your own post! The funds were given through the MDG, which is funded through the UNDP. The MDG is a joint project between the govt and UNDP and you would know that UNDP would definitely fund it. So her saying that it came through the MDG project does not invalidate that UNDP funds is, or does the fact that money gets to the players through NFF imply that FIFA doesn't share World Cup apperance fees to players?
Also, she pointed us to the launch of the trust fund where she gave out cheques (Note that she expressly used the word "we", if she was not involved and it was independent, how did she get to oversee things. Again, all parastatals have their own dedicated accounts, yet civil servants still lodge monies meant for salaries into their personal account, therefore saying there was a dedicated account is mute.

papadonkee:
As an Anambra state leader, she said that she would not be bullied by anybody into sharing the state PDP campaign funds. This is where she was talking about her being given the authority. I hope this helps, especially as you claim to " examine explanations, weigh them logically before I make decisions, especially when it relates to public figures and money".

So you agree that there was funds to be shared that she could have sat on or mismanaged?

papadonkee:
Out of curiosity, what information did you examine and weigh logically before you concluded that josephine anenih was guilty? A website report written by a journalist with no name?

The only information I had was the pointblank report and her rejoinder. Note however, that my analysis were entirely based on her own rejoinder as I only saw holes in what she was saying. I have also not in anyway said she was guilty or innocent, I only pointed out that from her own rejoinder, she did not answer the pertinent questions that she herself identified to be the issues.

papadonkee:
Akinzo,

Once again you insist on giving a dog a bad name just to drown it.

The Minister stated that the Fund has its own account. She is not a signatory to the account. It is not her Ministry's account.

Go on the Fund's website www.nigerianwomentrustfund.com, and you will see that apart from distributing funds to aspiring female politicians, the Trust Fund will also provide campaign materials and other support, and outside the election cycle it will build the capacity of these women. Trying to now say that the cheques she distributed were personal cheques (not from the Trust Fund account), or that she has eaten whatever was left over from the distribution, is mean, desperate, and worst of all cannot be proven by you.

But thank God we are in a democracy - you are entitled to hold, and share, your opinion.

Yeah, Thanks for accepting my right to hold differing opinions.

Again, what you are stating are just legal/normal stuffs. That it is supposed to have a separate account due to its independence does NOT mean the funds are not being siphoned. For decades Ministers/Local Government Chairmen/Governors all deposit money into personal accounts. Coming out to say those government agencies have dedicated accounts does not in any way invalidate that money is being dealt with in an unwholesome manner.

Let me quote her rejoinder "If money was released for a specific purpose, then as long as I have been given the authority, I will decide, with no apologies to anyone, how best those resources are deployed.” Does that not imply that she control the funds? So it is was independent and not under her control as you are implying, how could she then make the bolded assertion?

I do not accept explanations at face value; I examine them, weigh them logically before I make decisions, especially when it relates to public figures and money.

papadonkee:
@Akainzo. You are confusing me. I also read her rejoinder and she said the money for the Trust Fund was given by the Federal Government through the MDG Office, while UN Women said they would support in kind, not cash. UNDP was not even mentioned in her response. And she stated that the Fund is independent and has it's own account, not her personal account. I googled this to confirm. This is about her role as Minister of Women Affairs

Then she said that she wasn't given money by the Party for Anambra women. Reading between the lines I think she was given money for the entire state by the Party. She suggests that the men are unhappy about this, but that she will not be bullied or blackmailed by anybody. This is about her role as a PDP leader in Anambra.

That's my interpretation. I'm lost as to how you arrived at yours.

ok, let me break it down, all monies meant for government projects have dedicated accounts opened for them, it just happens that ost times, the funds are lodged in personal accounts!

Nowhere in all her statements did she address where the money was lodged! yes, it is an independent fund, meaning it is not budgeted for by her Ministry, but that does not answer where the funds are lodged.

Everyone, steals money based upon their roles in an establishment. What the people are saying is that she is using her position as the de-facto leader to divert the funds. Note, the diversion is not necessarily 100%, but most can still be diverted. Giving cheques on TV does not say that was ALL the money, or does it?

There are two allegations in the report:

debrief08:
1. I have deposited N150m meant for Anambra women into my personal account.

2. I have likewise diverted a multi-million dollar fund provided by UNDP.

And reading through her rejoinder, she merely confirmed the two, only that she gave explanations as to why she did it!

On the first issue of depositing N150M inot her personal account, this is what she has to say:

debrief08:
The fund the report refers to is the Nigerian Women Trust Fund (www.nigerianwomentrustfund.com). It was set up by the Ministry of Women Affairs and Social Development, the Office of the Senior Special Assistant to the President on MDGs, UN Women, and a coalition of women-focused NGOs. While the MDG Office provided cash, the UN Women agreed to provide material aid and support. We launched the Fund on Wednesday, the 23rd of March, 2011. Some of you may have seen me that day on television after the Federal Executive Council Meeting, explaining the need to support women politicians technically and financially. Most national dailies also covered the launch. At the launch, cheques were presented to female aspirants as certified by INEC.

The Fund was set up to be independent, and has its own management, and accounts. It is not an arm or parastatal of my Ministry.

Notice she did not say anything about the crux of the matter: where is the funds deposited? Irresepctive of what the funds were meant for and how the funds were set up, the question is: were the funds deposited in her personal accounts or not?


The second issue: I have likewise diverted a multi-million dollar fund provided by UNDP.
And her reply/statement is

debrief08:
Regarding the second accusation, that I was given N150m for Anambra women, which I promptly deposited in my personal account, let me plainly state that I was not given money by the Party for “Anambra women”. These accusations are just another example of the depths our politics is sinking to. As most people know, Anambra does not have a PDP Governor, and traditionally, when this happens, the Federal Minister becomes the de facto ‘leader’ of the Party in the State. This may have upset some people, but regardless of this, I want to categorically state that I am an unapologetic member of the PDP. Given this consideration, all my actions will be guided by my determination of what I feel is in the best interests of the Party, and our electoral candidates.

I will not be a part of the culture of jamborees and come-chop. If money was released for a specific purpose, then as long as I have been given the authority, I will decide, with no apologies to anyone, how best those resources are deployed.

What she has only confirmed is that the money has been given to her as the de-facto leader for Anambra since there was no PDP governor. She also went on to state that she can do as she pleases as long as she is in charge. Now that statement does not say that she is not in control, neither did it say the funds were not diverted. Rather it only confirmed that the money is being used however she directs - and this is the diversion people are talking about!

The lady should address the core of the matter by coming out to simply state the facts as it pertains to the allegations. The above has not in any way cleared her!

damorac:
YOU NEVER SAID THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOODLUCK, THATS WHERE YOU MISSED THE POINT.

Hmmm, I thought Goodluck is the name of the leader of that party?

ok, here goes:
1. Who was deputy while Bayelsa state was being stolen blind? - Goodluck
2. Who was the governor who spent over N70B of Bayelsa money and can't point to a single achievement in the state? - Goodluck
3. Who is the President that spent N1Billion importing dustbins? - Goodluck
4. Which President promised to probe use of funds for the 50th Anniversary but 5 months after, NO ACTION! - Goodluck.
5. Which President promised to probe the amount spent on Nigeria 2010 tournament and 7 months after, NO ACTION! - Goodluck
6. Which president caused a 'nulle prosecur' to be issued against a murder accused for political reasons? - Goodluck
7. Which leader watched as his party made nonsense of politics and democracy in a state in Nigeria? - Goodluck
8. Which President proposes a budget of consumption? - Goodluck

Do you still want me to mention more of Goodluck's name?

redsun:
Does the second in command in abacha's crime family actually belong to Buhari party?And he does,what does Buhari make of it?

I think anybody that is closely involve in abacha's family should be a fugutive in nigeria,on the run or in prison,since they owe the broken state of nigeria millions of dollars if not billion that they are categorically refusing to give back.

Your quote actually started me wondering about all these people:
1. A certain Mr Fix It that spent N500Billion to fix roads in Nigeria, he is in GEJ's party.
2. A certain ruler that was accused of stealing $40B during his regime, is he not in GEJ's party?
3. A certain man that was accused of murdering a sitting AGF & Minister, he is still a member of GEJ's party.
4. A certain man that ran away from UK police and sent to jail for corruption, he is in GEJ's party!
5. All indicted governor's by EFCC, are all in GEJ's party.
6. The convict that stole NPA's money, he is in GEJ's party.

So which party are you really referring to when you say we need to watch out?

BABA IYABO: Ha! Goodluck, IBB and even you Atiku visiting me together?

IBB: You know old comrades always come together no matter what!

BABA IYABO: You are right IBB, but what about these civilians… especially you Atiku

GOODLUCK: It’s the same matter that brought the three of us to visit you sir!

BABA IYABO: Ehen? When am about to eat pounded yam and my favorite bitter-leaf soup? Okay o! As long as you guys don’t disturb me when am eating

ATIKU: We will try not to disturb when the food is served

IBB: But you have not even asked us what brought us here

BABA IYABO: Eh! It’s because my mind is on the bitter-leaf soup, you should know I don’t joke it with. By the way it was prepared by my new catch! She is just 25, you should see her. You know my wife is dead shey?

ATIKU: Yes we know, but the problem that brought us can’t wait it is very urgent!

BABA IYABO: And I should forget the bitter-leaf soup because of the problem shey?

IBB: Of cause not, we know you don’t joke with bitter-leaf soup

BABA IYABO: So what are you waiting for Goodluck? Spill it!

ATIKU: It’s about the new phenomenon sweeping the country?

BABA IYABO: Mogbe! That is impossible I mean Japan is so far from here so how could the radiation get into this country?

GOODLUCK: Not Japan sir, I mean the tsunami sweeping across the country

BABA IYABO: Apart from Japan, there has not been any recent tsunami that I know of

ATIKU: He is talking about the BB tsunami spreading like plague at an alarming rate!

BABA IYABO: Buhari? Bakare? And that’s why you came to disturb me when am about to eat my special bitter-leaf soup prepared by my sweet 16!

GOODLUCK: Sixteen? Is that not illegal? I thought you just said she was 25?

ATIKU: She is 25 quiet alright, but we call young girls sweet sixteen!

BABA IYABO: I never believe I will say this, but THANK YOU Atiku! By the way IBB are you also afraid of BB?

GOODLUCK: Sorry sir, but at the rate they are going they might,

BABA IYABO: Don’t ever interrupt me again when I am speaking or I will ask IBB to give you some military training right now!

IBB: its not like I am afraid of them, but if BUHARI becomes president don’t you think he will come after us for corruption?

ATIKU: That is what I am afraid of.

BABA IYABO: Of cause, you should be afraid Atiku! You stole too much money ke!

ATIKU: No just me alone!

BABA IYABO: Oh! So you want to compare yourself with IBB and myself abi? Now tell me, were you in the military? And are you a general for crying out loud

GOODLUCK: He was in the Customs sir!

BABA IYABO: And that makes him a military man shey? Olodo! Oya tell me if he also fought in the War?! I should have known the first time I saw your face, you are not smart at all Goodluck I truly regret installing you, because you are not smart at all

GOODLUCK: Tunde Bakare’s SNG helped too sir!

BABA IYABO: When Queen Turai was treating you like her houseboy shey? All these happened because you are not a strong man! I should have installed an ex military man! Nigerians love strong people! The other day you were shaking because a little girl from CNN was interviewing you. Didn’t you see my own interview? I told the British boy straight to his face that his questions were silly! Same with IBB, nobody can intimidate us. Anyway as your father, I will still make sure you retain your post after the elections but you must be strong shogbo?

ATIKU: But what if BB wins, what are we going to do?

BABA IYABO: Has Mr FIX-IT left our dear party? I said we will take care of it!

GOODLUCK: But how is that going to be possible if BB wins? They have instructed their supporters to go to the pooling stations with petrol and matches and if JEGA boys try to rig in our favor they should light them up!

BABA IYABO: Action man! I trust BUHARI, you see we military men don’t take nonsense, we are ready for war at any time and that was why nobody dared me when I was ruling. Anyway now that you know all these, what have you done to convince the people that you are the best man for the job?

GOODLUCK: Ermmmm!!!! Emm! Em!

IBB: But they gave you opportunities to sell yourself to the public through debates

BABA IYABO: I hope you didn’t take that your EMBLERA wife with you to the debates?

ATIKU: Actually he has not attended any debates yet and he is not planning to attend any

BABA IYABO: Goodluck, are you also afraid of talking to your own people? I mean this is not the CNN little girl o!

GOODLUCK: They will ask what I have done since I became the president, especially on corruption and I am afraid I don’t have any answer for,

BABA IYABO: So why haven’t you arrested anybody for corruption? During my time I arrested IG Tafa Balogun, I had the NAFDAC Woman working hard on fake drugs, Okonjo Iweala was on board working hard too. What have you been doing Goodluck? I mean why didn’t you arrest that Charge and bail Lawyer called Anakonda self!

GOODLUCK: Aondoakaa sir!

IBB: This is not time for names correction, you should be listening to Baba’s advice

BABA IYABO: Leave him IBB, I don’t blame him at all. He has big mouth when it comes to me, yet he is afraid to even speak to his own people and has nothing to show for one year of ruling

GOODLUCK: I speak to them on Facebook sir!

BABA IYABO: Are you the one writing those things? You were given opportunity to speak directly to them but you ran away

ATIKU: I wish you had installed me instead!

BABA IYABO: You ke? so that you can loot our treasury dry! No thank you! I prefer a clueless Goodluck to you Atiku.

GOODLUCK: Thank you sir! …, But I am still afraid that if BB wins, and we steal their votes all those angry Abokis will burn up the North and instead of the army to allow the country plunge into civil war, they will take over and we will be back to the military days

BABA IYABO: Then you better think of attending the remaining debates, and arresting some people like Anakonda so that Nigerians will know you have Balls, because if the military takes over, IBB and I will be safe. We take care of our own but as for civilians like you and Atiku it will be hell… Anyway my pounded yam and bitter-leaf soup is ready… IBB please join me, Atiku and Goodluck wait for us here. By the time I finish eating I will have enough strength to think of a good strategy for your problem… Shey it is good to have a godfather that you can cry to eh? OYA LAUGH SMALL Jare!

…….To be Continued

We should buy 'Made In Nigeria' vehicles, where are they? Peugoet Automobiles Nigeria (PAN) stopped making cars in Nigeria a long time ago and they are into full time importation. So where does he expect them to get the vehicles?

Rossikk:
Dumbo. You call yourself ''9ijaman'' but you don't know we MANUFACTURE cars in Nigeria.

http://www.innosongroup.com/innosonmotors/index.php

That is a classic assembly plant you pointed us to! All they are doing is assembling Made In China vehicles. I hope you do not the difference between Made In Nigeria and Assembled in Nigeria

Odunnu:
With due respect Mr Akainzo, you are writing thrash, Sir.

Odunnu, I would very much appreciate that you debunk the statements that I have made with facts rather than such grandiose delusional statements. It would be nice if you could itemise your responses just the way I bothered to list mine. It makes for better reading and passing of points across.

I will patiently wait for the answers.

[quote author=na_so link=topic=634255.msg8018427#msg8018427 date=1301502852]You refer to Buhari as fanatical, can you please give me the pointers that make you refer to him as such. The ones I can remember are:
1. He fanatically supports good for the common man. Common man in Kano or common man in the entire Nigeria?

2. He fanatically opposes corruption. Yes like the corruption by the ABACHAS, hence he is rewarding the family with a governorship ticket afterall, some of the campaign funds are coming from Mohammed abacha, Yes corruption but was probably asleep when there was massive corruption in PTF that made one of the key officers commit suicide when PTF books where audited.

3. He fanatically preaches integrity and diligence. He preaches integrity but said in 2008 memorial service for sanni abacha that the corruption claims on abacha were mere fabrications.

4. He fanatically supported democracy once he decided to embrace it. Kindly tell me when he finally woke up to embrace it? at the age of 50? 60?.  O yes i remember he was in support of abacha kind of democracy when all political parties adopted abacha. " five fingers of a leprous hand".Tell me what Buhari as the honourable you claim did when abacha was morking democracy.  Kindly explain why in 20 months as HEAD OF STATE , there was no plan whatsoever to return us to democratic rule. Oh Sorry i remember he decided to embrace it when the PTF purse dried up and he decided to go for the bigger pie(presidency) in 2003
5. He fanatically believes that Nigeria can be great. And so?
If you have some others forms of fanatism that he displays, I would appreciate that you list them out. Otherwise, stop blowing smoke.[/quote]Na_so, you have shown your shallow understanding of life.
1. Common man: Did I specify Kano, Lagos or Yenogoa? The man believes in the good for the common man and this is why he has massive support in the grassroots. Let me ask you, how much support can you, na_so, have in your own village? You would only have much if you've been supportive of the common good!  And his supporters are spread across the nation, what does that tell you?
2. PTF: You are obviously trying to play the ostrich here. The only confirmed corruption in PTF was from the man that OBJ sent there to oversee it, and the guy ended up stealing when he couldn't find anything against Buhari.
3. Integrity and diligence are not based on personalities. He could have made those statements based on what he knows and is privy to.
4. You are indeed an Ostrich. You are accusing him of not returning to democratic rule by spending 18 months, when the guy that sent him parking and promised such, spent 8 years! Are you thinking right at all?

And you'd choose GEJ over him:
1. Common man: He has no idea what the common man needs, and that is why he can spend N1B to import plastic dustbins that are being made in Aba. He can plan to spend N17B on a 50 years anniversary or spend N600M on foods in Aso Rock in a year. he has no clue!
2, Corruption: GEJ has not been able to explain which part he played in Alamesiegha's corruption. Or he didn't see it or partake in it?
3. Integrity: GEJ lacks integrity, he has shown that by denying documents that he himself signed, by double speaking and firing aides as cover up for his ineptitudes.
4. Project Nigeria: GEJ has only officially granted 3 interviews since becoming present, 2 to CNN and o course the Koko interview! Even his kids go to an American school in Nigeria. What fate does he have in the nation other than to continue to line the pockets of himself and his cronies.
5. Diligence: The govt he is part of, had a works minister crying at the state of the Benin-Ore road, 4 years into the same govt, and 10 months after he has been in govt, the road as still in the same bad shape.

What I am trying to say is simple: Buhari as his faults, but compared to GEJ, he is FAR BETTER for the nation.

EzeUche:
Well it would seem that I have to swing my support to GEJ.

Nigeria is just not ready for Pat Utomi. And that is the sad truth.

That is some switch there! From the best end of the ladder, to the worst end of the ladder. What really was it that you wanted for the nation? What really made you support Pat Utomi?

Could you find all these qualities in GEJ?

Odunnu:
The oil flows from the head and down. They are obviously used to the military way of being aggresive just like their fanatical dada,the dictator.
Their minds have been violated over and over that they really dont get it when we tell them we are for democracy.
Bunch of twats!

It is instructive that you are responding to a post on abusive language by using the very same abusive language  

Is it that their minds have been violated or that the minds of the PDP supporters have been so violated that they have now come to accept rubbish as standard. PDP has so bastardised the populace that we have almost come to even accept rigging as part of elections. Some would ask that, what will happen if you vote, so therefore why vote?

You refer to Buhari as fanatical, can you please give me the pointers that make you refer to him as such. The ones I can remember are:
1. He fanatically supports good for the common man.
2. He fanatically opposes corruption.
3. He fanatically preaches integrity and diligence.
4. He fanatically supported democracy once he decided to embrace it.
5. He fanatically believes that Nigeria can be great.

If you have some others forms of fanatism that he displays, I would appreciate that you list them out. Otherwise, stop blowing smoke.

ndu1988:
Gen Buhari can never be president of country again not after his dictatorial regime where totality of nigerians groaned under pain,despair & depondency.We can't forget in a hurry grusome undemocratic tendencies he shown during his inglorious misruled dayz.Gen buhari or whatever nomenclature he represents is totally unfit and misfit.

So if you were a christian, you would refuse to read books of Romans, the Corinthians, Galatians, Titus, Ephesians, Philippians, Thessalonians, Timothy and Philemon as contained in the Bible simply because they were written by Paul who used to persecute christians? You indeed can't seem to rise beyond your bigoted outlook.

richidinho:
people! now listen,
Debate is not between candidate A and B, but platform 4 u to tell Nigerians your ideas on transforming the country, if GEJ refuse to attend any of the debate it is your opportunity to score high, if at all u av anything to offer.


NIGERIAN NAVY 24, are they Journalist

more fresh air pls

My guy, you need more than fresh air, you need to enroll quick-quick in on eof the new GEJ promised universities.   Imagine your ignorance thinking NN24 stands for the bolded part above! Kai.

[quote author=emeka_gh link=topic=626871.msg8013316#msg8013316 date=1301435451]I can't even begin to imagine why some of us Nigeria youth are thinking of voting for the ex-military dictator Buhari. Is it because to the discard-able appendage that Bakare is? Well meaning Nigerians should be considering voting in Pat Utomi. However, it's seems he didn't do his home work well this time around. Come 2015, we shall move a massive movement to help him become the President of Nigeria. Nigeria deserves a good leader, not this slightly above average politician (GEJ), or the below average despot (Buhari), and the screaming house green-horn (Ribadu).

Anyway, the best option now is to vote for the GEJ, in-trust-for Prof. Pat Utomi (who would hopefully work harder next time).[/quote]I dey laff o! Is it the same GEJ that has promised the North the Presidency in 2015? and you're voting HOPING that he works better/harder the next time??

I can't even begin to imagine the logic behind your statement. The youths need to vote someone that can guarantee them a future in Nigeria, not someone that we hope can. And what basis is your hope based on? The performance in Bayelsa or the performance as President?

2buff:
I repeat, a BB cannot beat a Google Nexus S.

If you look at things from a hardware perspective, you might say the Nexus, iPhone or HTC phones are ahead of the BB.
However, when you look at it from the usage perspective, the BB has the goods over all this phones.

A simple comparison is, what can the iPhone do that the BB cannot do?
Conversely, what can the BB do that the iPhone cannot do?

All GPRS enabled phones are capable of the same thing, thus all the phones are on the same level. However, the BB brings extra to the table.

The multi-touch of the iPhone is just a slicker way of doing zoom, and that is just the difference -  a different way of doing things! But in itself, the BB brings much more than that to the table - the security, the instant push email and of course, the ubiquitous BBM. therefore if all that the other phones have over it is just a non-traditional way of doing things, they are cool but not deal makers.

The note has also being made of the 300,000+ apps on the Android platform compared to the 100,000+ on the BB platform, and I dare ask, the most a phone has is 4GB internal RAM (expandable to 32GB for most and 16GB for iPhones), how many apps do you think an average user would install, 10, 20, 100, 200 or 1000? So in essence, every user would get the few apps they actually need. And that is the main essence, that each user has access to what they need irrespective of how many possibilities exist. (And from my browsing the android market, you'd have 100s of apps doing exactly the same thing in different ways.)

At the end of the day, the BB platform offers users what traditional phones do and much more, and it the added benefit of reducing the total cost outlay for the user. And that, is the main reason why Nigerians are crazy about the BB.

rhymz:
You are just another stray clueless hater that argues without facts and understanding of what is being argued. I wont waste my time indulging you, you probably don't know jack about the debate history of Nigeria.

You aint got nothing, nada, zilch facts to show that there has ever been a Presidential debat organised by NEDG. EVen they themselves cannot claim that! I don't know jack ko, the jack you know is definitely a figment of your imagination.

rhymz:
Sagamite
It is intellectually futile engaging in needless semantics; you know very well that at no point it was implied by the GEJ/Sambo group that the debate was going to be entirely organized by BON, it has always been a coalition effort of different Nigerian media groups of which BON is part of and the most recognized hence the repeated mention in place of NEDG.
And please dont tell me these guys have not been organizing it cos I remember vividly in 2003 Jim Nwobodo VS Okotie at least, of the numerous debates. Yes, In 1999 Obasanjo did not show up for a debate with the very articulatr Olu Falae but in 2003, he did show up for a debate with Buhari who did not show up. Obasanjo ended up debating with himself in 2003.
In 2007, it was even widespread cos we had the likes of Pat Utomi who wowed us with very articulate programs, he literaly had the whole floor to himself. Same with Okotie as well. Yaradua was scheduled to slug it out with Buhari but we know how that turned out too.
So what exactly do you mean by they have never organized a debate. I think your grouse or grouch is realy misplaced, NN24 is just another TV station in the media business, you can't compare their reach, coverage, experience and media standind with that of the NEDG and if the GEJ campaign group saw it that way and pulled out, it is their prerogative and nobody can flaw them on that one, FACT!

You must be confusing an interview with a presidential debate. Kai, you must be kinda dense to say BON is part of a media house. To educate you, BON is an umbrella body of media houses.
There has never been a debate in Nigeria, you can google it, you can research it, you'd come out with zilch. Do not attempt to fool us that know much more than you. Imagine you are comparing the reach of a news media house to NEDG which is just an NGO, you are definitely not improving in knowledge.

Beaf:
^
. . .And you agree that your contribution was where to sign to receive brown envelopes.

At least while waiting for the bown envelopes, I managed top read the PIB. GO AND READ THE PIB.

Your logic is lost in transit. Why do you keep arguing? For fun?
The bolded in your own text shows how we are losing money from flaring. Kindergarten stuff.

That we lose money is not in question, does that money amount to $150B was the issue, Dundee.

Firstly, we do not have the capacity to satisfy demand for any petroleum product, we must import every type of fuel. Stop peddling lies.

As for Buhari overseeing the building of two refineries; has his planning not been a stark failure? We import oil today, because he was so shortsighted that ALL our refineries cannot service Lagos alone, and we are talking about completing refineries only a few years back. LOL!!!
It is what you get when you entrust your petroleum industry to a former cattle rearer who joined the army and refused to go to school when the chances presented themselves.

You are a certified ignoramus that has refused to learn. Giving all the available data, you still cannot process it. Buhari built 2 additional refineries in Nigeria in 1978/1979, and they satisfied all local requirements, much more so that we were exporting to Niger and Chad. The failure has been with successive govenment to maintain them and add additional capacities.

That man passed through the best military schools in the world, he is amongst the elite military men of this world. One of the few men to hold the highest possible military rank in the world. If that man and Collin Powell gets to the Standhurst, he would have seniority over him!

rhymz:
Sagamite, I am yet to fully understand your grouch over GEJ's non-attendance of NN24 debate, while you obsessed about it, you have repeatedly and deliberately chosen to conveniently ignore the fact that there is going to be another debate organized by the NDG. Why are you particular about that of NN24 like there is an agender or something close that you had expected. As for the history of the Nigerian presidential debates, here it is in a nutshell;
In 2003, It was organised by the Presidential Debate Steering Committee which was comprised of the Newspaper Proprietors Association of Nigeria, NPAN; the Broadcasting Organisation of Nigeria, BON; Nigeria Union of Journalists, NUJ; and the Guild of Editors. Thesame groups that are going to organise the march 29th debate.
In 2003 we had 9 contestants:
Major Mojisola Adekunle Obasanjo(Masses movement of Nigeria) vs Christopher Pere Ajuwa(Liberal Democratic party of Nigeria)
Abdul Kabir Balarabe Musa(people's redemption party) vs Sara Jibril(progressive action congress)
kalu idika kalu(New Nigerian People's party) vs Ferriara Anthonio Abayomi Jorge( Democratic Alternative)
ike Nwachukwu(national democratic party)vs Tunji Braithwait(Nigeria Advanced Party)
Jim Nwobod(United Nigeria people's party) vs Chris Okotie(justice Party)
Olusegun Obasanjo(pdp) vs Mohammedu buhari(ANNP)
which did not hold just like the one organized by thesame body in 1999 between OBJ and Olu Falae did not hold too.
In 2007 thesame NDGN organized the debates, it had Yaradua(who did not show up) Buhari, Pat Utomi, Okotie etc. So those of you trying to downplay the facts that the major organizers of the presidential debates has always been the NDGN which BON is a part of should take a chill pill and wait before jumping to conclusions.

You are a retard! You have only posted up here that BON has NEVER organised a presidential debate but rather have always proposed one!
So to you, an organisation that has never done something should be respected and waited upon, than one that has put all plans in place to do one and has even done the Vice-Presidential debate. Cmon man, you can do better than this!

Beaf:
It is daft to ask me how Buhari spent or didn't spend his loot. The fact we have, is that the money was traced to his account, deal with that. No diversions.

It is stupidity that makes you post two contradictory items in support of the same thing. I only asked you to think a little, but it seems that is also too hard for you to do! Well let me help you.

If the guy had $2.8B he would not be in a position not to have several houses spread across this nation. He would not be in a position where Shekarau with a few billion naira can have more weight than him in ANPP.

Compare that to your GEJ that claims only 2Billion naira and yet has 5 houses, 2 hotels and 3 estates in Yenogoa.

Beaf:
Dude, its called stone age religious frenzy. Nothing to do with the the 21st century.

As for the PIB, your contribution could only have been negative or maybe about putting the signature box at the top of all Shell documents, so people wouldn't need to read before signing for brown envelopes. Olodo!

At least both of us now agree I might have seen the PIB while you have not! So respect someone that knows more than you and learn. But go a step further, GO AND READ THE PIB.

Beaf:
Don't try to frighten us into maintaining the backward status quo with all that negative crap about NNPC. Other nations of the World have successful oil sectors and they are not more human than us.

As for the bolded, my guy, you shame me! How is it that you cannot think outside a tiny little box? The losses from gas flaring has zilch to do with the nation's gross oil and gas earnings; rather, it has everything to do with the volume of gas flared. Comprende? No?

You are indeed clueless! Let me explain it to you, Gas Flared is that part of gas that you allow to burn off during the production of oil because you want to continue producing oil and do not have capacity to process the gas.
Should you decide not to flare gas, you either have to process it to an LNG /Gas plant or simply shut-in the well, meaning no more oil production as well. So ow I hope you understand why the flared gas is a portion of the total production of a country and thus is related to the gross earnings from oil & gas in that counry. Olodo!

Beaf:
LOL! See comedy!
Here I was, actually thinking I was arguing with someone who had an inkling of the oil sector, sadly its the same "loud dunce syndrome" that is common in places like butchers shops, with hunters and of course, some miseducated Nigerians.

Thanks to dunces who ruled us in the past (like Buhari), even if the refineries operate at 100% capacity, they might not satisfy Lagos alone. We must import.
I'm beginning to pity you! Maybe you're just tired, but right now a baby chimp will make more sense.

Dem go take laf kpai pesin for NL o! Chai!

You are indeed a comedian posing as a graduate from the school of laughter. You are saying a man that presided over the building of two refineries with a total capacity of 180,000 barrels of oil contributed to the shortages of petroleum products. You are a dimwit.
Since you read my post but could not comprehend, I will repeat for you again. We have enough installed capacity for kerosene but not enough for PMS. Therefore if the refineries were working at 100% capacity under Jonathan as you alluded to, there should be no kerosene scarcity!

But because you and I know that GEJ and his cronies have been siphoning the money off under the subsidy ruse, there has been petrol availability but no kerosene. And there in is the uncovering of the lie that the refineries were working.