₦airaland Forum

ezechi24:
the mugu just shot himself point blank in the head and leg...even if nnamdi KANU joins APC...no Igbo man will vote for him....I sorry for this goat...

The votes APC candidates have been getting in the SE in the elections since 2015, na who queue up to make those votes? Aliens in the SE?

When the APC candidate came 2nd in the Anambra State Governorship elections, na aliens make those votes too, and not any Igbo man?

Toks2008:
Did you take your time to read the contents of the link you posted?

4. Law enforcement officials, in carrying out their duty, shall, as far as possible, apply non-violent means before resorting to the use of force and firearms. They may use force and firearms only if other means remain ineffective or without any promise of achieving the intended result.


7. Governments shall ensure that arbitrary or abusive use of force and firearms by law enforcement officials is punished as a criminal offence under their law.


Would you call the use of the socalled blank bullets which is confirmed to be injurous even if it can't kill as it is erroneously believed? Especially when it was used on eaceful unarmed protesters waving national flag and singing the national anthem?

Guy please i dont know who you are but i repect your tenacity in trying to downplay the foolish irrational act of the Nigeria Army but NEWS FLASH! They will not get away with this so dont bother responding to this.

Thanks and have a great sunday.

You are dancing from pillar to posts now. From your posts alone, it says they MAY USE IT. That is all that matters, that the law allows them to use it. QED.

Some things are not sentiments, they are simply hard facts and data, no need being emotional. For avoidance of doubt, if the army fires live rounds from their rifles for like 2-3 minutes into a crowd of 50 -100 persons, you will not be looking for evidences of death after 27 days, it will be clearly apparent.

Just as them no dey look for evidences that a woman is pregnant after 6 months, it shows by itself.

Toks2008:
Exerpts from the revelation reads


"At the hearing of a judicial panel of enquiry today in Lagos Nigeria, Brigadier General Ahmed Taiwo, who heads the Army’s 81st Division in Lagos, when shown a photo by Reuters which he used as testimony to prove the army only fired blank rounds, said two bullets among the 11 shown were live rounds, one spent and one unspent. He said they were not the army’s but perhaps from the police".

So whilst you try so hard to defend the use of blanks, it has been admitted that live rounds were used and we will know more truth as it unveils.

Good that Reuters found 2 bullets that were live round, the question then would be:
a. Where did Reuters find those bullets?
b. Who gave those bullets to Reuters?
c. A determination of who fired those bullets.

However, at the end of the day, the main crux of the matter still remains valid, who are who died at the Lekki Toll Gate?

Babinski:
While Lee's death may be termed a mistake from a supposed blank, a more appropriate reference is the death of Jon-Erik Hexum from blank cartridge which shows blanks can kill.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/02/12/the-bizarre-afterlife-of-tv-actor-shot-dead-in-on-set-accident/amp/

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/71752/how-do-blanks-work-compared-regular-bullets

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_(cartridge)

It is also important to note that if there is any other thing in the barrel, it will come out with projectile force. As such, using blanks need to be very well planned if fatalities are to be avoided.

Now imagine Nigerian Army going to meet protesters whom they claimed became violent. Do you think they will first load their guns with blanks and when the situation becomes dangerous they switch to bullets? This is the same Army accused of war crimes in Borno by Amnesty o. The same Army we all know shoot to kill rather than to warn or play. In the same country where Police never use rubber bullets. Then the Army starts to shoot blanks?

Please, the Army and the blanks story just doesn't measure up and going by their different conflicting statements starting from the claim that they were never at the Toll Gate to the claim that they didn't fire on protesters and then that they later fired blanks, the only valid conclusion is that they are liars.

All your citations are about the same incident, the man had the gun under his temple. He was an untrained person handling a gun.

The NA is a trained unit, with hours of training thus they aren't gonna put the rifle under the temple of a person except they intended to do the person harm. Thus all this stories about blanks killing people is a waste of time.

For example, under certain conditions, drinking water will kill a human being, but that is not what one will be using to proof death when the subject is offered a simple glass of water.

To reiterate, that a man lied to a father that he doesn't know a girl or even ever talked to her, and it was discovered that both were lies does not automatically imply he is guilty of raping the girl or responsible for her pregnancy.

The only valid conclusion to make is that NA personnel fired blanks INTO the air to disperse protesters.

misano:
Pick it up, turn it left, pan right, take it down, twist it, do all you wanna do the story, it's still the same. The killings are still real.

How can you hold onto the belief of a certain killings when the follwoing are the facts?
1. Army shot blanks - incapable of killing persons.
2. No blood was at the site of the incident.
3. No bullet marks on any of the structures at the site of the incident.
4. Those persons you watched die "live" are miraculously nowhere to be found.
5. The one with names have all miraculously resurrected (Eniola Badmus) or were in a play (The corper) or were not even at the site.
5. Nobody has come out to say, my family member was shot at the Lekki incident
6. 3 WEEKS later, no dead bodies have been found.

You are also free to believe that the Earth is flat simply because you heard someone say so live.

AK481:
Oga read the premiumtimes investigation on the lekki saga.. dead bodies floating in the river close to the toll gate .

In truth, a lot of people died while trying to escape with bullet wounds

The dead bodies, where did they now float to? Who recovered them from the waters? Are these victims not with any families?

Theranos:
He was talking about trying out blank ammo. But the fact remains that several people sustained gunshot injuries at the toll gate meaning some LE actually used live ammunition.

Spent shells were collected from the scene making it easy to identify which branch of the armed services actually did these things.

The spent shells collected at the scene of the Lekki Toll Gate, clearly showed that only blanks were fired.

Xclusivedaniel6:
to start with where you even at the scene cos I was there

have anyone in the scene come out to counter what she has said?

please know what you want to say before saying it
opposition ko, oppressor ni

Since you were there, how many bullets whizzed past you? How much injury did you suffer? How many persons were killed on that day?

Can you also share the pictures or videos of the dead or injured that you took on that day.

Babinski:
DJ Switch should be arrested on the testimony of an agent of an accussed party? It is ridiculous for the Judicial Panel to allow the Army as an accused party to present one of their own as expert witness and also submit blanks that were not taken from the crime scene in the presence of credible witnesses. Do you go to court and say the accused should be presenting his family members as expert witnesses? Where is the objectivity?

Even if we assume without conceding that they used blanks, do you know that blanks for a pistol used in filming killed Bruce Lee's only son? Do you know several actors have died from blanks fired from pistols? Do you know the muzzle velocity of pistols compared to rifles?
And he is saying even if he presses the rifle on a person and shoots a blank nothing will happen? That is a blatant lie.

Also, why do you as Army come to a peaceful protest with civilians if you wanted to shoot blanks? You bring an armoured tank to a fight and you say it is to spray water? And you want us to believe you? Everyone knows it is the Police that have the constitutional duty for security in civilian protests except it becomes very violent. That the Army showed up is already indicting.

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/01/obituaries/blank-pistol-kills-actor-the-son-of-bruce-lee.html

You should simply have read the same newspaper that you quoted to understand how blanks work and why in this the incident happened. So apparently,. someone had made an error.

When a blank is fired, Mr. Rosen said, a piece of soft wadding normally comes out of the gun. But this time a metallic projectile came out, he said. Producer Is Baffled

So even from the NY Times post, it is clear that blanks would not normally kill anyone.

misano:
The blood on the flags. The bullet being removed from a victims body while the video was playing

What you can confirm is that you were seeing something live, what you cannot confirm is that the incident itself is happening live!

Toks2008:
Cc: Akainzo


As for lethality of blank bullets, it depends on cartridge type, distance and where the victim is hit just like with real bullets so it is potentially lethal.

Furthermore, the sound of it can also create serous commotion in large crowds that could lead to stampede or people running to their death even if not directly from the blank bullets.

And this is if indeed real bullets were not used.

And @Akainzo please go and get your facts right.

The use of rubber or blank bullets on! (UNARMED PROTESTERS) is a serious crime.

You are totally WRONG. A BLANK bullet has no PROPELLANT, thus it is fired and ejected from the casing and simply lands at the feet of the shooter. The only person that is at risk from Blanks is actually the shooter.

To help you out, here is the link to the UN Charter on dispersal of crowds, please read it! https://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/useofforceandfirearms.aspx

Toks2008:
How dumb...

Blank ammunitions can kill especially when used by dumb unprofessional army personnels and the use of blanks is considered lethal in dispersing unarmed protesters and it is an international Crime against humanity.

The army keeps making a fool of themselves by openly admitting to Democide which is of equal weight with Genocide.

Foolish Army officer.

First the army are not untrained professional. An actor could die while using blanks because he is untrained and was only ACTING A ROLE. In the hands of the Nigeria Army professional, blanks would not kill.

To your second assertion, that is NOT correct. The use of blanks is ACTUALLY sanctioned by the UN Human Rights Commission as an approved crowd dispersal methodology. You might want to check it out.

oluwasegun007:
The hospital they took those guys with injuries to...the person announced by Sanwo olu to have died..

Was is blank ammunition that killed them??

The doctors that operated on them, did they treat bullet wounds??

This are questions that need urgent answers before God go vex for us in this country.

The person announced by Sanwo-Olu died from BLUNT FORCE injury! A bullet does not cause blunt force injury.

That doctors operated on someone that was at the Lekki Toll gate does not imply that he was shot by the army, he could have had an accident, he could have been attacked. The army would only be responsible directly were you to say he had a gun shot wound.

Blanks make loads of noise, but they are not projectiles and therefore simply fall to the ground BESIDE the shooter.

ipica:
We have hear.
MODIFIED
To the guy that quoted me down there,Listen, I may secretly key in but spending billions on short term solutions like this to the mountainous economic problems facing Nigeria is infuriating to educated futuristic thinkers. Just look at the penny wise pound foolish decisions we make as a nation. Maybe this money is even part of a loan collected. Social welfare is good but emphasise investments.

You are talking crap actually. This is for Small Scale enterprises that is the engine of every economy. When many were shouting that Canada, US and Europe were doing stuff for their citizens, what do you think they were doing different from this kind of initiative?

What do you think the loan is going to do, sponsor the business to a party or social event?

Sermwell:
You must understand that the federal law makers didn't absent themselves from legislative business. And of course they didn't just wake up one morning to resume after a long time, to impeach the Senate President when their seat are in contention before the courts. The Edo state law makers didn't help themselves in this case. What even stopped them from doing all these shortly after their inauguration? These law makers have slept on their rights and the court may no longer take them serious, hence the court of first instance has already rule their seats to be vacant. Well, no matter how we try to analyse these issues here, it will certainly not be very clear who is on the wrong side of the law! But I think the court will not be pleased with the political dimension of this case.

Thanks for at least moving away from the illegality you were touting previously, as we have now both agreed that only 1 proclamation is needed and they other lawmakers can be sworn in by the Clerk or Presiding officers later.

As to why they didn't attend plenary, the question will be: Were they invited to be sworn in? Did they attempt to be at the HoA complex and were prevented? Were they refused being sworn in?

The answers to the above will help the court to determine if their seats are vacant or not, but for now, until the courts determine otherwise, they are valid fully elected lawmakers of the Edo State House of Assembly.

Sermwell:
So the governor issued a proclamation for the swearing in of the other 14 members?? He has already done that for the swearing in of 10 members in which other members were absent(for whatever reasons) and subsequently refused to partake in any legislative business of the state.
Now my question to you is that.....is the governor required by the constitution to issue proclamation twice?
And by what proclamation was the subsequent 14 members sworn in?

I am happy we both agree the constitution has not been violated.

The proclamation is only issued once, as a proclamation is about the COMMENCEMENT OF THE LEGISLATIVE TERM, it has nothing to do with inauguration.

Cast your mind back to 2015, PMB issued a proclamation and the PDP members of the Senate with Saraki were inaugurated, and Saraki was appointed Senate President while the majority APC members of the Senate were having a meeting with the President.

Did the President issue a second proclamation for the other members to then be sworn in? Of course he didn't as a proclamation is only issued once, and once the legislative activities have commenced, other members can be sworn in by the Clerk or the Presiding officers of the House.

So clearly, the other members do not need a proclamation to be issued by Obaseki before they can be sworn in, and that is also what the court said.

Sermwell:
So INEC is now the court of law? I know you are reasoning from a layman's point of view, but as a lawyer, I'm putting it to you according to law. The court is yet to decide on their membership of the house, and whatever they are doing now is shrouded in illegality....and they all know it....but they are fooling the masses to argue nonsense.

Since you are a lawyer, let me take you up on your stance.

By the constitution, they are elected members of the House of Assembly.
By the constitution, until a competent law court declares their seat vacant, they remain elected members of the House of Assembly.
By the constitution, if a High Court declares their seat vacant, and they appeal at the Appellate Court, they remain elected members of the HoA.

Now to the issue of inauguration.
By the constitution, a Governor issues a proclamation of the House TO THE CLERK OF THE House of Assembly.
By the constitution, it is the Clerk that inaugurates or swears in members of the House of Assembly AFTER the proclamation.
By the constitution, the Governor has done the proclamation, and 10 members were sworn in earlier.
By the constitution, the clerk/House has now sworn in the other 14 members of the House of Assembly.

Please, do let me know which part of what I enumerated above is the illegality that you are referring to.

STENON:
Right before the lockdown, they have not done anything worthy of praise pertaining to aviation sector.

You can agree with me that this is not the right time for them to demand equal right. Assuming this happened last year before the pandemic, I would have gladly supported their view.

These developed countries are stylishly fighting for their right so that international students and stranded Nigerans can go back home whichever way they desire before they overtstay their visa as July 31st is the last chance for them. Some came with return ticket, some are unemployed and can't afford that money, some can only afford a stop over flight. Some people were not lucky to get the airpeace ticket that was sold out within a day. FG should open the airport before starting a fresh case with airpeace and International airlines.

When do you suppose would be the right time to demand equal rights? When our airlines are dead or thirty years time when the gulf between us has widened further?

Are you supporting the developed countries trying to stylishly get our Nigerian citizens to pay higher or get into trouble by overstaying their visa?

CanadaOrBust:
Apparently it is difficult enough as u don’t understand it.

Try to read the following, this time very CAREFULLY:

“He said those making the claim were misinterpreting Section 145(2) of the constitution...

He said, “The sum total of that subsection is that if the President fails, refuses and or neglects to transmit power to the Vice President, the National Assembly is mandated after the period of 21 days to pass a resolution empowering the Vice President to start to act automatically ‘as the Acting President of Nigeria’.

“That section did not and never provided that it is only when the President will spend more than 21 days outside the shores of the country, that he will be required to hand over power to his Vice President.

“The 21 days provision is meant to give the maximum period the President will be allowed to be in breach of Section 145 of the Constitution as the National Assembly will come in to do what the President ought to have done in the first place by mandating the Vice President to act in the place of the ‘travelled President’.

“The President has breached the 1999 constitution, no doubt, by his inability to transmit power to the Vice President of the country for the 19 or less that he wants to spend for his “private visit’ in the UK.

“His “private visit’ has no place in Section 145 of the 1999 Constitution in the first place. He is only allowed outside the shores of Nigeria for official visits, medicals and or vacations.”

Ubani said the signing of a bill by Buhari in London did not speak well for Nigeria’s sovereignty.”

Clearly, you are fixated on accepting only his, Ubani, version of interpreting the constitution.

Open your mind, and read what others are saying.

If the NA cannot trigger that section until 21 days, it implies the President can do whatever he wants so long as he doesn't fall foul of that provision. Simple logic, simple stuff.

If they say, your employment will be terminated or consequence management will be applied after 21 days, if you don't show up at work, does it not imply you are free to go away for 20 days without consequences? Na small English o, read it with a clear mind. Don't let the lawyers do to you what they did to Atiku,

CanadaOrBust:
I have searched the internet, I can’t find any other time it has been done, even in history

Here is the President of US doing it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/11/20/white-house-aides-use-autopen-sign-highway-bill-while-obama-overseas/76098452/

CanadaOrBust:
21 days is how long NA has to wait before mandating VP to take over. PMB always handed over as he should.
He only started playing games when the “war” started

Meaning, if he goes away and comes back on the 20th day, then there is nothing the NA can do, right.

This then automatically implies he has 21 days, Simple statement, simple logic;. How and why is it difficult to understand.

N2B2:
While I don't care for either Buhari or Atiku, it is worrisome to note that even without a certificate, one can become president.

Politics is a dirty game and all, fine, but this sends a wrong message across the board, to all Nigerians.

Bros, don't be too worried. Everyone is trying to run to US and Canada, but guess what, you don't even need a Primary School certificate to be the US President or Canada PM. All you need is to be a freeborn citizen!

So don't knock yourself thinking too much. Politics has its own qualifications and the employers are ordinary people of the country. Most will love you and vote for you for different reasons, only a few think of your certificate.

Fugitive:
It's done to authentic your documents. WAEC/NECO, FIRST DEGREE in the case of those going to do thier masters abroad. It's done at the FEDERAL MINISTRY OF EDUCATION ABUJA.

There are bodies certified with that responsibility and they do not require you to send the originals of your documents for such verification exercise. They require the originals of your transcript.

BTW, the Ministry of Education do not have powers to authenticate any of your credentials as they are not the issuing authority!

Mudassir2016:
I remember when I got my admission here in India, last year, my certificates are laminated, but unfortunately they need to tear out the laminated documents to sign on the back and front of the documents and also to stamp it,
During the tearing some of the documents get damaged, my luckiness was that they are the ones did that, and that I got admitted,
But this may be problem in the future,

So my advice to u people is not to laminate documents such as original and statements of results for both waec, neco, nabteb, or any school/college/university graduated certificate, including primary certificates,

You may laminate documents like testimonials, certificates of merit/appreciation, certificates of attendance, awards etc, which requires no further alteration/sign from anybody again after issuance,
Thanks you,
Just look at my own experiences.

Why in the world would they want to sign on your original document?

That is mutilation and you should have told them in very clear terms that they are not allowed to!

GrabHisBalls:
If it's legal in the marriage act of 1990 why do I still have to go for a court marriage? And in a situation where I don't have the legal documents of the marriage being registered, why would a court reject my petition or claim my marriage is illegal?

The traditional marriage is legal, you on the other hand can still go ahead and do court wedding or proceed to do church wedding as well, that is your prerogative. However, the law of the land recognises Traditional/Customary marriages that is why we even have customary courts all over the country.

Note that by the Marriage Act, the LGA chairman or the King/Traditional ruler can issue Marriage Certificates to authenticate the traditional weddings.

GrabHisBalls:
I just tire for this people.

He wants to tell us he knows more than the Ministry of Interior. I guess some of them don't know what's meant by 'Statutory requirement'.

Traditional marriages are legal in Nigeria under the Marriage Act of 1990.

KEVIND:
Judges Now Afraid To Perform Their Duties, Says NBA President

Paul Usoro, president of the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA), says judges in the country are afraid to perform their duties as expected due to fear and intimidation from the executive arm of government.

He spoke while delivering an address at the association’s national executive committee (NEC) meeting, which held at the NBA secretariat in Abuja, on Thursday.

Usoro also spoke about the high level of insecurity and poor state of the rule of law in the country.

He expressed worry over the “intimidation of judges by members of the executive arm and security operatives”, saying that judges now “operate under an oppressive and pervasive climate of fear and insecurity.”

“Our Jjudges are threatened, intimidated and blackmailed mostly by the executive arms of government and their agencies both at the federal and state levels,” he said.

“Our judges cannot deliver justice under a climate of fear and intimidation. Justice thrives where and when there is an independent judiciary. There can be no such independence when there is no security of tenure for our Judges. There can be no independence of the judiciary when our judges are intimidated, threatened and blackmailed by state agencies and their officials.

“There can be no independence of the judiciary when our judges are actively coerced by state officials to think and reason only in the manner that those officials and, presumably, government want them to think.”

The senior advocate of Nigeria also lamented over how some members of the association were victims of the high rate of insecurity in the country.

“My dear colleagues, as you would observe, I have given you three illustrative instances of the insecurity that pervades our land from the three NBA Nigerian Zones – East, West and North – and that, by itself, makes the point that no part of our country is safe,” he said.

“No region is safe, and no tribe is safe. No one indeed is safe. And yet, we have governments in place, at the federal, state and local government levels and the primary business of governments is the protection of lives and property. Indeed, without security of lives and property, everything else grinds to a halt.”

He called on the federal government to address the security challenges in the country and urged public officials to adhere to the rule of law.

https://www.nairaland.com/5258051/judges-now-afraid-perform-duties

I differ with Falana on the issue of the Presidential Aides, the aides are personal appointees of the President and their tenure elapses either along with his or when he decides to terminate their appointments.

Presidential aides and SGF do not require ratification or consent of NASS and thus their tenure does not expire except if the tenure of their Principal expires. Ministers are a different kettle altogether as the constitution is clear as to their tenure.

On the case of SGF and the Presidential aides, the learned luminary's position is not supported in law.

escodotman:
What's now the basis of the comparison? Is Peter Odili still even a member of the PDP?

Nope, he has joined APGA.

bishopkay:
And this is where I based my argument. 2/3 of the national assembly is needed to override the bill. Now in saner climates, would that be a problem for a bill that makes governance more transparent?

Imagine a presiden who rode to power the first time on claims of fighting corruption yet when the bill to enable accountability is brought to him, he suddenly develops cold feet yet his gullible supporters still believe he's fighting corruption

That the Police don't arrest all criminals at once, or make mistakes to allow some criminals get away does not imply the Police is not doing its work!

That the President hasn't signed this particular law does not imply that he isn't fighting corruption. Evaluating life on the basis of absolutes of ALL or NOTHING is not a very good philosophy. Life is not Black or White, but varying shades of Grey, plus every successful person learns to choose their battles.

The key question is, if the lawmakers who are representative of the people and who actually have the oversight responsibility that the Audit is supposed to facilitate cannot believe so much in the Bill as to move to override the President, then maybe there is something more than just the Bill.

bishopkay:
I'd the bill didn't have the support of the legislators, there's no way it could have scaled first second and third readings.

What I am saying is emphasized in the stupid partisan mentality associated with Nigerian legislators especially members of the APC in this current dispensation where good bills would the president refused to assent to are fought against by the legislators because they think it would embarrass the president. Meaning the president is our law and guide and whatever he is uncomfortable with, all Nigerians should automatically feel the brunt too no matter how beneficial the hitherto bill would be for people. Then we also have some very mad supporters who feel the country and everything ought to revolve around the president, his whims and caprices.

Hope you understand me now my friend

You obviously missed the fact that there are different requirements for passing a bill for assent and overriding the President.

For passing a bill, the NASS needs a simple majority of those that were in the auditorium on the day of the decision, thus for Senate, that is 16 votes!

To override the President requires a 2/3 Majority of the entire NASS => 2/3 of 469 = 310 Votes!

To muster such number requires so much politicking and an assurance that the said Bill is going to enjoy widespread support by the populace. Leave all the talk of embarrassing the President, all is politics. The real thing is knowing that getting the 310 votes is a herculean task.

lapazi:
Nice one, i feel that this should also be the best approach by law, however what happens in a situation where the gated area doesn't only house the Bank?

I have seen a couple of Bank premises that reside in a rented building!


Plus at bolded, i havent seen a Bank that does that.

In a shared or rented premises, whoever is in charge or responsible for the placing the security personnel at the entrance or "gate" assumes liability by that act.

bishopkay:
When you answer the question I asked then I'd give you a robust reply. But perhaps I should give you a sneak peak into what happened when the national assembly wanted to override the electoral bills and some others before and after it?

Some senators of the APC said the Saraki led national assembly wanted to embarrass and humiliate the president hence they worked against ever getting a 2/3 veto to override the president's stance. Does it ring any bells?

In essence you are saying the bill doesn't have enough support amongst the NASS members for them to override the President.