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People want money for things that you can get free and we wonder why we are not developing. Here are two links to free ebooks (I will not charge you one kobo for them). I just hope and pray that you will use it and use it well.

1. knowfree.net - Free ebooks on every subject
2. ftp://194.44.214.3/pub/e-books/ - Another one for you to enjoy

Remember to always use google, it's a freaking CIA tool man, you can get anything with it.

ugocugo,

The assignment is for you to and you alone to do. We can point you in the right direction by giving you resources and online help. Don't expect anyone to do it for you.

Here are some C/C++ resources that might help

1. www.cprogramming.com
2. http://knowfree.net/category/it-ebooks/cc

Check them out.

Good luck

I saved her name as habibi, it means my own

To me = I am so into you now, don't hurt me, I have been hurt before. I rather be alone than be hurt again

To her = The thing about love is that if you do it right you never have to hit the ground. I love you baby girl

It's not free

Good one kobojunkie

Nothing wrong with a woman initiating the process. Besides, women claim what a man can do, they can do even better - so, toasting is not an exception.

meekas,

Databases implement SQL differently, if you want to implement triggers, you have to tell us the database software you are using. It is MS-SQL (Microsoft SQL Server), Oracle, Sybase etc? Let us know so we can help.

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Thanks for your advice kobojunkie.

I gave a link to freebasic and asked the poster to check it out, have you looked at freebasic?

Good things start from humble beginnings. Get the Qbasic compiler and run your program. I will advice you to try freebasic (I use it to date and it's simple and efficient), you can get it at http://www.freebasic.net/. Good luck

Install the C++ and java compilers in order to run your programs. If your system is connected to the Internet then it is much simpler. You can use

apt-cache seach package = To search for the package
apt-get install package = To install the package/software.

If you are not connected to the internet, you will have to install the packages from the ubuntu CD (assumming you have download the packages). Another option could be to download and install from source. Hope that helps

Company policy on type of technology used also plays an important aspect. You will lhardly find banks building their banking portals using php or other open-source development tools. The reason is simple, if my bank app gets hacked or a bug is found, who will be held responsible?

Asterisks aint a programming language, it's an opensource telephony, digital PBX system. You can build your intranet and interface with asterisks on so many levels. Check the developer section for more information (http://www.asterisk.org/developers).

Asterisks aint simple to install for newbies (as so many robust linux softwares are too), you might want to look at trixbox, it has asterisks and other opensource softwares bundled together that makes deploying, operating, managing asterisks quite easy. Check it out at (http://www.trixbox.com/products/trixbox-ce/features).

We are currently use asterisks for VOIP on our network but we do everything with config files (I like it that way). It's an amazing software.

I will fill my phone with enough credits and talk to her throughout the night. She is back home and I am schooling/working in another country. I miss her so much.

Hi Guys,

To all the unix/linux geeks and nerds in the house. What opensource package has the same or better features than microsoft share-point?

Alhaji Olabowale - I haven't been around sir, I have been very busy with work. The reason I haven't given the surahs is because I haven't had time to dig them up. I will do that in due time.

Now, if I bring up the surahs and show them to you - what then? will you accept them or will you turn a blind eye as you always have? or will you give me the same lame explanation that angels accompanied gabriel and that the 'holy spirit' is gabriel trash that you have been posting all along?

No!

Allah is not the arabic word for God

Refer to this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-98121.0.html

One thing is for sure - when the going gets tough, she aint gonna be beside you.

Alhaji, perhaps I should rephrase the question for you

1. What common ritual and mode of worship does pre-islamic Arabs and Muslims have in common?
2. What is the difference between pre-islamic arabs sacrificing rams during their hajj and Muslims killing rams "sallah" now? No be the same? Abi because the name is different?
3. Muslims have nearly everything in common with the pre-islamic arabs yet you claim you worship one god.
4. Pre-islamic arabs threw petals at a great stone in mecca to symbolize "stoning the devil". Don't present Muslim do the same thing? Una go they throw stone at another stone calling him the devil, I am sure it is during this time that the devil has the greatest fun ever - laughing at you ignorant people.

Please give me a couple of hours, I am preparing the surahs where your allah gave angel gabriel, angels and the holy spirit the koran to give muhammed. Then we will see what black and polished lie you will come up with now

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Alhaji - I have been very busy with work, hence I haven't replied you.

@Alexis: Thank you for handing the floor over to me. But fake as disingenuos flattery will earn you no points with me. The first rule is that there is no way you, as a non Arab can be a better Arab linguist/scholar that the Arabs! Secondly, Qur'an is the standard of which Arab language, grammar, etc are measured. That includes the Arab Bible. So based on this, your understanding of anything Arabic, will have to be based on its ranking with the Qur'anic Arabic. Let me make it very elementary for you: In Bahia, Brasil (Brazil), Yoruba is spoken. Could their Yoruba be purer than the Yoruba spoken in the Western part of Nigeria? No, it will be impossible! The Yorubas say: A ji se bi Yoruba lan ri, Yoruba o nji se bi eni kon. Fela Anikulapo said in one of his yappies; English is Yoruba badly spoken (This one is to make you relax, so that you can listen, attentively)!

Old man - I am not questioning the Arabic language, I am questioning the authenticity of the quran, I am questioning who compiled the quran and the numerous errors and flaws that you claim was made in heaven before the beginning of the world. Whether the quran is written in Arabic, English French or Mongolian - it remains the same - a book of contradiction, incitement to hate and kill in the name of a god. Those are the things I have problem with.

I have a Muslim classmate and I asked him a question. I asked, "if a Islamic convert can't read the quran in Arabic will he go to heaven?". he said no. In that case, what hope does the quran or Islam offer to a sinning soul. So, if my mother tongue is not Arabic, does it mean that I can't go to the Muslim heaven? Your yoruba analogy doesn't hold water alhaji - there are several dialects of yoruba whether it is spoken in Nigeria or brasil (that is beside the point)

Iqra, the first word revealed to Muhammad (as), means proclaim to him. Since Muhammad did not know how to read anyway, it could also mean recite to him. But to the rest of the muslims and arabs, regardless of religion, it also mean read. So the Qur'an, unlike your narrow defination of what the muslims do, is read, recited and proclaimed when there is sermon, ministrial effort, etc. Yes most Muslims recite the Qur'an, because the legislation and explanation of it is been preserved, in tafsir, hadith, sunnah, sirah and other sort of school of knowledge. For example, the issue of Riba (interest), is illustrated by it having 72 levels. The lowest level of which it is in offense is on the same level with a man who have sex with his own mother! If you hear this, and it was passed down from generation directly, from Muhammad, without a break in chain of narration,what is there for you to try to independently think about?

Alhaji - Reading, reciting and proclaiming continiously (over and over again) is a pagan method of worship. Those were what the Arabians did when worshiping the moon-god. We are free moral agents that should use our brains, when we read we should ask questions to understand. But Islam forbids questions. Look at the following surah

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102).

"The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions , so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)

"The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) "Allah has hated you, [for] asking too many questions." (vol. 2, no. 555; and vol. 3, no. 591, Bukhari's Hadith commenting on Muhammad’s reaction to hostile questioners.)

What are you guys scared of that you don't want people to ask questions about the quran?

You want to have your own explanation about it, whereby you permit the impermissable? Unfortunately, you do not know that the first organised University by mankind, which is still in existence is the Islamic University Al Ahza in Egypt. All other colleges of higher learning, around the world are modelled after this Islamic institution. So much for not being independent thinker and just being a Zombie. The Muslim Arabs wrote about Allah of preIslamic era, to mean exactly the Allah of Islam, courtesy of Arabic scholar, his excellency Alexis! Why would the Muslims, controlling the whole of Arab, including its language, the best of its culture, that they will foolishly exposed their God to you and people like you, if that God is exactly the ordinary God or equivalent to the idol god of the Arabs, before Islam of Muhammad? Yet the first thing they did when they entered Makka as victors, without raising a single sword, was to destroy all the 360 Idols in the ka'aba! Thes muslim pagans, the nerves of them, destroying their own gods!

Alhaji - Stick to the point, we are not talking about universities here. Let us tackle the issue at hand. There were no muslims arabs before muhammed came alhaji (don't confuse us), they were arabs (most worshiped the moon-god). It was after muhammed brought islam that you started calling them muslim arabs. Pre-isamic arabs didn't expose any god to us alhaji - muhammed exposed allah to us, you exposed allah to us (the terrorist bombings all over the world today) is the way you can expose allah to us. Why do you lie so much alhaji, they entered mecca without raising the sword eh? So you should know, some of us had islamic background and it is only people that are not informed will believe your lies. Even as little as 4, I was told stories of how islamic warriors entered mecca and killed, we learnt that they killed so much that they will only stop if the blood of their "enemies reached the thighs of the horses. So much for not raising the sword eh?

I am laughing and rolling on the floor. So in one surah, the quran declares it was angel gabriel and in another surah when it mention 'angels' were given the quran you decided to add other angels with gabriel,lol. Unfortunately, I am at work and I don't have my quran with me. I will show you the surah I am referring to in no way referred to angel gabriel when it mentioned 'angels' my friend, it if had did - the all knowing Allah should have known and mentioned it clearly?
Alexis knows better than Allah! You need to read surah Al Maidah and see what the condition of Isa bin Mariam will be in the day of Judgement! He will be questioned in the front of mankind, by his Lord. So if your god Jesus will be questioned, you can imagine how off the straight path you are, to be analysing God Almighty Allah. I am free of your deeds, Alex. Please bring up the verses about Angels and let us look into your African Christian understanding Arabic Islam textbooks and grammar!

What kind of god does not know who he gave his word to bring to his prophet. Is it the god that can't remember if he gave it to 'angel gabriel', 'angels' or 'some holy spirit'. If he is all knowing as you claim why a simple matter of how his word came to mortals like us is not consistent. Unfortunately - I am not a muslim, so I have to ask questions. A god that can't keep his word in tact fails to be the Almighty God.

So, it is only when the quran came that Jesus will be questioned? I have told you times without number that you can't use the quran as a basis of judgment when it comes to biblical matters but you never listen. Jesus died, rose and was seen bodily by many people, this happened over 600 years ago before Islam came. Your quran or allah can never judge the Saviour of the world old man. Go dig up some false teaching and try and seduce the uninformed, it doesn't work on me. I will post the verses about the angels in my next post.

Alexis, to properly response to you, I have to take you back as far as father Ibrahim time in Iraq. This is where we have to begin. Since Ibrahim was the father of of the Arabs, through his first son, Ismail, who was truly the only son, in all the 13 years before his younger brother Isiaq was born. We see from this event, that Yahweh, Judaism could not have existed, as name of God to an Iraqi citizen stateman, from your. Neither as a religion nor as an ethnic identity. The truth is that the two elements came to being, at a later date, but not before the exodus event out of Egypt, under Moses! By the way, the religion of Moses was not Judaism. But I will leave that for another topic! Definitely, Jew as an ethnic identity, came after the brother of Joseph, Judah a son of Jacob, who was the son of Isaic, who was the younger son of but never was the only son of Ibrahim! So, since the children of Judah could be identified by their geneology as the Jew, within the 12 tribes of Israel, then there are 5 generation between Ibrahim and the first set of people that could be called Jews, the descendants of Judah, who was a Child of Israel, who was a Child of Isiaq, who was a child of great, great, grandfather Ibrahim!

Blah blah blah - and your point is? You go off topic most of the time. For the last time - answer the questions sir.

Allah declared in the Qur'an that Ibrahim was not a Jew and not a Christian, he was a one who negated all kind of associating in worship (Hanifan), who is a muslim (bowing his will in obedience), to One true God! Now, the Muslims say that Ibrahim and his only son Ismail rebuilt the Ka'aba after the flood of Noah. If you disagree, please prove me wrong! Did Ibrahim, who was the father, hence the leader, between the two, since his son was not more than 20 years at best at this time, built this structure to worship any idol? The answer is NO! If you recall, it was the great event of Idol destruction which Ibrahim undertook, that sent him packing out of Iraq! Ibrahim, therefore could not have destroyed many idols and then start worshipping any when he left the idolaters of your, Iraq!

Old man - and your point is?

Whatever the reason that Ibrahim had in building the Ka'aba, it would never have been for any idol sanctuary or worship! It is Ibrahim who called mankind, under the commandment of Allah The God to Hajj. Up to this time, Allah of Ibrahim was in no way associated with any Idol. Abi Alexis? There was no Idol in Ka'aba of Ibrahim, o sha de ron ti, abi? There is no report also that Ismail worshipped Idol! So any idol in the Ka'aba must have arrived after Ismail. It is save to assume also that he probably instructed his children, who would be in the same level of heritage with Ibrahim as Jacob is, not to worship anything except the God that Ibrahim, he Ismail worshipped. They, the children would have also passed on this injuction down to their own offsprings, just like Jacob did with his own 12 sons (and the daughters which were never mentioned). We see how great the value of women were with the Jews and the Christians. Alexis, oro lo boro wa o. I was not going there, but you just had to force my hands with your scholarly misfiring! We know that in all the generations, between Joseph's glorious presence in Egypt, and the exodus of the Children of Israel out of it, under Moses, would have to be many hundreds of years! We know that there was nothing called Yahweh/Jehovah, etc, up to the time the Bible was reporting that Moses got them to the wilderness, where he was instructed the process of worship, and God revealing His name to them at that time! In the maintime, the branch of Ismail, was blotted out of the history of the descendant of Ibrahiim, but at least they were flourishing, in the desert! Contrary to your statement, there were people in Yemen and Iraq (the home country of Ibrahim, Lut, before the great migration), and in other places. We also noticed that Ibrahim met people in Jerusalem when he arrived there and of course his journey to Egypt, was not a journey to a desolated place!

Did the bible ever tell you abraham built any kabaa? Another of your great lies!. You no get shame?

The introduction, of idol to the Ka'aba was fully reported in the Sunnan/Hadith, Sirah of the prophet and Tafsir of Qur'an. You just have to research it on your own, since you are going to teach us our religion, which you know nothing about! Your finding out that part of preIslamic Arab history will be a good start to enlightening your heart. Ismail branch of Ibrahim's bloodline did not speak the same language as Isiaq branch! But they worship One Supreme God, based on the instruction of Ibrahim alone. What was the name of that God, Alexis? Do you know it? I submit to you that God was called Allah! If you have a proof that I am incorrect, please present it and do not hesitate to do so!

I will gently disarm your argument on the same grounds I have used before - you can't use your islamic teaching to judge biblical characters and history, it doesn't hold water old man. I don't need to teach you islam alhaji - we all know enough about islam already (Blow yourself up and 72 virgins will be waiting for you in heaven).

You are right that there was hajj in the preislamic arab. But you did not know that the children of Isiaq used to make this hajj, until idol(s) became permanent in the ka'aba! It has been reported that Prophet Solomon made this hajj, as commanded by God on Ibrahim. This is your second assignment Alexis! Finally, when Islam came to Muhammad, from the first revelation, if Allah was not the proper name of GOD the Almighty, Allah Himself, Who says in Surah Ahzab that He is not shy, would have instructed 'Ruuh Qudus,' who brought revelation to Muhammad for 23 years to change the name, to the peoper name which was not in used by the preIslamic Arabs! But wait, Muhammad went on a night journey known as Isra wa Miraj. In heaven when he spoke directly to his Lord, definitely, he would have instructed to change it to the 'proper name,' if that was not 'Allah!' In all your arguments, it is as if the Arab penisula was a gulf dividing your heart from your soul. They do not agree to the truth that you are seeing! Alexis, ma duro ni ibi yi. If you have anything to say about this, please say it. Let the people of Nairaland make their own 'educated' and disinterested judgement. You as a Yoruba man do not know enough about the history of the Yorubas, yet, you are going to educate the Muslims about the meaning of Allah of Al Islam, connecting it to Allah of preIslam? Ko ye mi o. Bo ya mi o ka nko to ko dara dara ni. Mi o a kuku le ka ede Keferi, ti kiriyo to nso. Mi o le kaa oba me ta ni ikon!

Alhaji - did I ever give you the impression that I was a yoruba man? Please don't assume old man, if you want to know anything about me - ask, okay? So, you have agreed that the arabs in preislamic arabia performed the hajj? So, if we all agreed that those arabians worshiped the moon-god and muslims (current muslims) perform the same hajj, wetin come be the difference alhaji?

Where did you learn that solomon performed your hajj? . Na wa for you oh alhaji. Next you will claim that Jesus kissed muhammed feet. Liar!

Yeah right!, alhaji - this is a simple task, just prove that the Allah of pre-islamic arabia is different from the Allah that muhammed brought. They are the same deities, the mode of worship, the rites, the travelling to mecca and praying 5 times a day was done thousands of years before the advent of muhammed islam.
This cheap attempt of not answering the question doesn't make your statement correct. There are authentic sources (history, text and scrolls) that I can refer you to that pre-islamic arabians used to pray 5 times a day. Again, if they used to do it before the advent of islam and worship Allah, what is the difference between the Allah that they used to pray 5 times a day to and the Allah that you pray 5 times a day to? I expect that you can honestly answer this question.
I never mentioned anything about Ibrahim and he being a pagan or not. Infact I have no clue what you are talking about. I never mentioned anything about muhammed splitting the moon miracle either, where is all this coming from? These are irrelevant to the question at hand. I asked if they pilgrimage to the kaaba that pre-islamic arabians used to go to and worship Allah is different from the pilgrimage that muslims to go now? Which other way can I put the question for you to answer? I dey wait oh!
The last but not the least question - What religion worships every Friday, faces meccah when praying today? An honest and simple answer is all I need, no stories about any miracles or how I don't know anything about islam, I just need a simple answer.
I hand the floor over to you - alhaji

Thank you, thank you Alexis; You've heard Fela's record Jeun Ko ku, where he said,'i never talk finish?' I am going to finish with you by saying that if you have any proof that the daily Salah, Jumu'ah salah and Hajj that the preIslamic Arab perform, is exactly the same that the Muslims of Muhammad perform please bring it to Mankind! For sure, their salah, if there is any will be different, because the Wudu, Ahdan, Iqamah, Quiyan, ruku and sajdah, all in Islamic daily and Jumuah salah, Qur'an came about with the Prophethood of Muhammad, Jumuah is a combination of Qur'an and hadith and salah, Hajj is a combination of Arafah, which is today by the way, other rites and Umrah, which includes the Masjid Al Nawawi, in Madina! Every which way, Alexis, your information will be inadequate! I follow your advise, There is no story here!

I give the floor back to you sir, or any of your associates, in religion, or any non Muslims who has anything tangible to contribute, with honesty and without bold face lies. E pele sir.

Alhaji - you have just stabbed yourself in the foot. You stipulated that preislamic arabs mode of worship and rituals are almost the same as present muslims but they are not EXACTLY the same. You take your mouth say the thing yourself . You just don't want to accept that your entire life and belief is based of a pagan doctrine of pre-islamic arabs worship of the moon-god.

That been said, I will bring the surahs you asked me to bring alhaji. In the meantime, please hit the floor

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Very sad indeed. More sad when it becomes a joke and we are helpless and can't do anything about it. God aint going to come down from heaven to help. If the police can't provide protection because they don't have the resources and because there are corrupt elements within its structure, I will advice you seek other alternatives. I will involve OPC and other local militia if I have to.

Personally, I defend myself. I will put in iron bars and doors to slow them down and lastly - I will get myself some sweet AK-47 with enough magazines and ammo. If I can take out 10-15, I will happy even if I am killed. With a more accurate weapon like an M-16, I can reach 25

PTH,

Trying to reason with alhaji olabowale is futile. He is not a man of his word and I have decided not to engage him in a spirited debate. He (and some muslims on his forum) think christianity and islam is in some form of competition.

Thanks for your posts, they were enlightening. May the good Lord continue to give you more wisdom

Alhaji olabowale - I am still waiting for your response to my last post.

@Alexis: I thought that if a fellow lives in Igbo land, Chineke would be a common word with him!. If such a man needs to know what Chineke means, all he has to do is to take a stroll to any market, and ask any ethnic Igbo for an explanation! To have picked a pen and write a to Tribune Publication, in Oke-Ado, in Ibadan, would clearly show a poor judgement!

Does asking an arab what "Allah" means answer the question? Most muslims recite the koran, they don't READ it to understand. Since they don't read it, christians will help them read it and where we see things that need to be addressed, we will present them to muslims to answer, where they can't, we will call on history to answer. They sit at their mullahs feet and accept anything and everything he says. We are not zombies olabowale, we are free thinking humans that should judge situations and make informed decisions, something that most muslims are scared to do. I don't need to write any publication house in Qatar to find out who 'Allah' is. To find out, I need to go to the authoritative source for all muslims - 'the koran' or 'quran'

Alhaji olabowale, do forgive me if I spelt the koran wrongly, if I use koran or quran, I am referring to the samething.

(Angel Gabrael is correct and was always in every revelation, except the last 4 Verses of Surah Baqarah, which was given in the Night Journey known as Isra wa Miraj. (Angel Gabrael and others who accompanied him, for example in the revelation of Suratul Fatiha, also known as Ummuh Kitab!) holy spirit'. (Another name for Angel Gabrael), 'one mighty in power' (A description of Angel Gabrael).

I am laughing and rolling on the floor. So in one surah, the quran declares it was angel gabriel and in another surah when it mention 'angels' were given the quran you decided to add other angels with gabriel,lol. Unfortunately, I am at work and I don't have my quran with me. I will show you the surah I am referring to in no way referred to angel gabriel when it mentioned 'angels' my friend, it if had did - the all knowing Allah should have known and mentioned it clearly?

So 'holy spirit' is now called angel gabriel in the quran abi or angel gabriel is called 'holy spirit' abi? The term 'holy spirit' and an 'angel' are two different entities olabowale, that is why they have names to describe them. This cheap attempt of equating angel gabriel and some holy spirit is at best a deceitful attempt. So, I am to believe where ever I see 'holy spirit' in the quran, it means angel gabriel or vice-versa. You will have to try harder Alhaji. Perhaps the ice-storm in the US is chilling your brains, clearly - you are not using them.

The term 'one mightly in power' can not be ascribed to an angel. Angels are messengers and other times act as guardians my friend. That description suits a deity or a god, so it is hard to prove that 'one mighty in power' as mention in that surah was angel gabriel. You still never grind the axe oh alhaji.

(Allah is Al for 'The' and ilah is 'god'! This 'god' can mean any deity. But Allah means 'The God.' You see, I wonder if in your african tribe, maybe am presumptious in my assumption that you are an african do the animists/traditional worshippers have a name for God Almighty different from what the Christian of the same tribe call God Almighty? If your answer id no, then the same applies to Pre Islamic Allah, the Muslim Allah,the Arab Christian Allah and the Arab Jewish Allah! For sure the Arab Pagans were before any of the later three so called monotheistic religions! I believe that Islam is the only true monotheistic among the three. The remaining two are just that only by name! Afterall, the Christians are a three in One God worshippers!

What is in a name olabowale? A name is not only identification, but an identity as well. Many times a special meaning is attached to the name. Names had, among other purposes, an explanatory purpose. Throughout the bible God reveals Himself to us through His names. When we study these names that He reveals to us in the Bible, we will better understand who God really is. The meanings behind God's names reveal the central personality and nature of the One who bears them. Let me give you a few examples of what we christians call our God

1. (el el-yone') - The Most High God
El is a name that is translated as "God" and can be used in conjunction with other words to designate various aspects of God's character. Elyon literally means "Most High" and is used both adjectivally and substantivally throughout the Old Testament. It expresses the extreme sovereignty and majesty of God and His highest preeminence. When the two words are combined — El Elyon — it can be translated as "the most exalted God."(Psa 57:2)

2. (el shad-di') - All-Sufficient One, Lord God Almighty
El is a name that is translated as "God" and can be used in conjunction with other words to designate various aspects of God's character. Another word much like Shaddai, and from which many believe it derived, is shad meaning "breast" in Hebrew (some other scholars believe that the name is derived from an Akkadian word Šadu, meaning "mountain," suggesting strength and power). This refers to God completely nourishing, satisfying, and supplying His people with all their needs as a mother would her child. Connected with the word for God, El, this denotes a God who freely gives nourishment and blessing, He is our sustainer.

Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact (muslims like you). But history is not on your side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.

History establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity, Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols.

To find out who Allah is and how the word Allah became known as God, we need to know the pre-Islamic origin of 'Allah". Consider these facts that history supports

1. Allah was worshipped by the pagan Arabs as one of many polytheistic gods - Yes!, Allah was indeed worshipped before muhammed was born. So, what is new about 'There is no god but Allah and muhammed is his messenger'. Pagan arabs worshipped 'Allah' long before the advent of islam.
2. Allah was worshipped in the Kabah at Mecca before Muhammad was born. Muhammad merely proclaimed a god the Meccans were already familiar with. The pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. They wondered why he gave monopoly to only 'Allah'
3. Although "Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, Allah is not a name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan cultures have these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god". In comparison to the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was originally no more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" (god) or Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the Bible. "Jehovah" is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old Testament ( Ex 3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" in the New Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but merely transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into a proper name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it was never used this way originally. Allah, therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" but not "Jehovah" or "Jesus". Allah is not the name of the nameless Muslim God. However Muslims will claim that Allah is the name of God that corresponds to Jehovah. Both the Father and the Son are called "ho theos" (The God). Jesus is called "The God" many times in the New Testament: John 20:28; Heb 1:8. An important conclusion from this, is that the mere fact that "Allah" is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" does not mean they are directly corresponded. It certainly doesn’t prove Allah is the same as the God of the Old or New Testament. It does not prove that Muslim’s worship the same God as Christians. If this correspondence proved the Muslim god was the same as the Christian God, then because pagan religions also have generics that correspond to "the god" (Allah), this correspondence would also prove that Allah is the same god as the Buddhist god, for Buddhists also refer to their god as "the god". I hope you get it now alhaji.

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1. Was Allah worshiped in Arabia before mu hammed was born? (Allah of the period before Muhammad means 'god,' while Allah of Islam means Almighty!

Yeah right!, alhaji - this is a simple task, just prove that the Allah of pre-islamic arabia is different from the Allah that muhammed brought. They are the same deities, the mode of worship, the rites, the travelling to mecca and praying 5 times a day was done thousands of years before the advent of muhammed islam.

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2. Muhammad grand father name was abdullah - meaning 'servant of Allah'. How come his grand father had a "Muslim/Islamic" name before mu hammed even formed Islam? (Muhammad's father, not his grandfather. His name was abdi Mutallib! Alexis you have not true understandingof Islam, etc.

Thanks for the correction alhaji but you still haven't answer the question. His father/grandfather was a servant of Allah before his son was born. So, what Allah is his son talking about?

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3. Did some Arabians used to pray facing mecca 5 times a day before the advent of mu hammed and Islam? (There was no 5 prayers before Islam of Muhammad! Again, you have Zero understanding!

This cheap attempt of not answering the question doesn't make your statement correct. There are authentic sources (history, text and scrolls) that I can refer you to that pre-islamic arabians used to pray 5 times a day. Again, if they used to do it before the advent of islam and worship Allah, what is the difference between the Allah that they used to pray 5 times a day to and the Allah that you pray 5 times a day to? I expect that you can honestly answer this question.

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4. Did some Arabians used to go on annual pilgrimage to the Kaaba which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kaaba seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kaaba, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers before the advent of mu hammed and Islam? (The call for hajj, the annual pilgrimage was made by Ibrahim! This was long time before the Jewish people ever existed. Much longer time before Christianity, which was a religion that Jesus reckon with, anyhow. Extreme long time before the Islam of Muhammad. The question you need to answer for me, Alexis, isthis, Was Ibrahim, a pagan, because he was the last caller for the Pilgrimage? You said moon god? Have you heard of Muhammad's splitting of the moon miracle? How can a worshipper split his god, if he truly believes in it? Alexis, you are wrong, again! Gathering on Fridays, for prayer before Islam of Muhammad? You are probably more naive than a 2 year old! Probably you are asleep throghout your entry! You could have easily gone to any Masjid in Qatar for a thorough Islamic lecture. You definitely need it! If you are going to be this dishonest, I will just think that you are not serious, but looking for attention! You need to talk to the shrink in Nairaland. I will recommend Nwando and our scholarly Davidylan!

I never mentioned anything about Ibrahim and he being a pagan or not. Infact I have no clue what you are talking about. I never mentioned anything about muhammed splitting the moon miracle either, where is all this coming from? These are irrelevant to the question at hand. I asked if they pilgrimage to the kaaba that pre-islamic arabians used to go to and worship Allah is different from the pilgrimage that muslims to go now? Which other way can I put the question for you to answer? I dey wait oh!

The last but not the least question - What religion worships every Friday, faces meccah when praying today? An honest and simple answer is all I need, no stories about any miracles or how I don't know anything about islam, I just need a simple answer.

I hand the floor over to you - alhaji

Alhaji olabowale,

Seems you are missing, I have waited for your response over 4 hours now but no reply.

Thank you Gamine,

I wish I could be there but work kept me. Thanks for the information.

What has living in Qatar got to do with correction? I stated that if I was wrong that someone well informed with facts should correct me. I have read in the quran that 'Ilah' means God and it is based on this fact that I presented my case.

Alhaji olabowale - if years could be tantamount to knowledge and wisdom, it clearly shows that you are a 2 year old. It is clear that gray hair isn't the sign of wisdom, it is the sign of old age and in your case acute memory loss and ability to reason correctly.

You pasted several paragraphs from webpages on the internet yet you couldn't stipulate with facts where 'Allah' means God, neither from the koran, bible or any reference that has history backing it up.

If I quote from the quran where 'Ilah' means God instead of Allah, I will expect you to disprove it with similar facts (not meer blabbing and story tellings but with FACTS) or you shut up permanently.

Muslims believe the Qur’an to be the word of God that was given to Muhammad, by the archangel Gabriel, over a period of twenty-three years until his death. It is believed that Gabriel spoke to Muhammad, in the cave of the mountain of Hira, the first words of the Qur’an:

I have read the quran and it is from the koran that I will show you surahs which stipulates various accounts on how the koran was given to muhammed. Some surahs suggest 'angel gabriel', others suggest 'angels' and others even suggest 'holy spirit'. One stipulated 'one mighty in power' - with all these variations, how do we know who gave muhammed the koran? One axe for you to grind

It has been written and read only in Arabic for more than 1,400 years. But, because many Muslims around the world do not understand Arabic, the meaning of the Qur’an is also given in other languages, so that readers can understand better what the Arabic words in the Qur’an mean. These books are like dictionaries to the Qur’an — they are not read as part of the religion of Islam, to replace the Arabic Qur’an.

'Ilah' is an arabic word alhaji and since you know arabic (I beleive), what does 'Ilah' means in arabic?

My previous posts was in line with this thread and i was trying to tell you that the God in the bible and Allah in the Koran are not the same, and if they are not the same, who is Allah?

Answering the following questions honestly will help us identify who Allah is

1. Was Allah worshiped in Arabia before mu hammed was born?
2. Muhammad grand father name was abdullah - meaning 'servant of Allah'. How come his grand father had a "Muslim/Islamic" name before mu hammed even formed Islam?
3. Did some Arabians used to pray facing mecca 5 times a day before the advent of mu hammed and Islam?
4. Did some Arabians used to go on annual pilgrimage to the Kaaba which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kaaba seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kaaba, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers before the advent of mu hammed and Islam?
5. Now, what religion worships every Friday, faces meccah when praying today?

Please answer these questions honestly and then we can debate as gentlemen.

Many Christians accept the Muslim claim that we both worship the same God. They claim that they call him Allah, while we call him God. It is not unusual to hear Christian leaders make such statements. Bible societies have even gone so far as to use the name Allah in the Bibles they produce for Arab Christians.

The problem with this is two-fold. First, history and archeology show clearly that Allah was worshipped as a pagan moon god long before Mohammed came on the scene. Robert Morey, author of The Islamic Invasion, explains:

"Islam's origins have been traced back by scholars to the ancient fertility religion of the worship of the moon god which was always the dominant religion of Arabia. The moon god was worshipped by praying toward Mecca several times a day, making an annual pilgrimage to the Kabah which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kabah seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kabah, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers, giving alms to the poor, etc. These were pagan rites practiced by the Arabs long before Muhammad was born."

"What religion today practices the pagan rites of the moon god? Islam! This explains why the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam. It is placed on top of mosques and minarets and displayed on hats, flags, rugs, amulets and even jewelry. Every time you see the Muslim symbol of a crescent moon, you are seeing the ancient symbol of the moon god."

Second, if you read the Qur'an's description of Allah, and read the Bible's description of God, it becomes obvious you are reading about two different persons. Allah orders his followers to kill those who deny Islam, while God instructs us to love our enemies. Allah had no son while God sent His Son to die for sinful men. Allah is "unknowable" while God seeks a personal relationship with His creation, man.

The spirit behind Islam is an entirely different spirit, a spirit that denies the deity of Jesus Christ. Any Christian who accepts the notion that Allah is God creates an impossible situation. Since the Qur'an contains our only revelation about Allah, they will be forced to look there as their authority. The Qur'an specifically denies the deity of Christ! All Christian witness ends right there.

No true Muslim or Christian will agree that we serve the same God because we don't.

1. The description of heaven to both religions are very different. While the Muslim heaven promises rivers of wine, 72 virgins and wild sex orgies, the Christian heaven is a place where God will be worshiped by his people.

2. The object of worship and/or veneration in Christianity is Jesus the Christ, He is taught as a person, Christians strive to emulate his ways and His life-style. He was peaceful and as a result, Christians are taught to be peaceful. Muslims in the same way venerate and respect muhammed, his life-style reflects in their lives. he fought was involved in over 27 battles, he had many wives, he was killed anyone that did not accept islam.
3. The world Allah doesn't mean God as most people believe, the arabic translation of God is 'Ilah' and not Allah. If I am wrong, I will like people well versed in arabic or the quran to correct me. So the question is, who is Allah?

There are 1001 reasons i can mentioned to suggest that the christian God and the muslim God are not the same.