₦airaland Forum

ChinenyeN:
AljHarem, the point of the Ngwa example is to show that you cannot trust those census figures you posted. So a census should be held. Simple. I'm still surprised at that 1000 though. It's such a low number.

vic u should know the 1000 number is sarcasm. anyway how was your day brother?

i am not sure of the yorubas in SE figures but the north is a different case as i have lived there majority of my life

borno alone house a lot of yorubas

not to talk of sokoto, kano, yobe, plateau(yoruba town) etc

the amount of yorubas in rivers state alone is stagaring

not to talk f delta (warri) and edo

also the hausa in SE alone are a lot if not more than igbos in some local governments

hausa/kanuri/fulani in lagos alone are more than igbos as well. this i am sure of that is why the yorubas started fighting for control of mile 12 and mushin

they have not done the same in alaba because the numbers of igbos are still controlable

don't forget the amount of hausas in alausa alone is more than igbos in alaba market. but we don't make noise

plateau state riot was also caused because of the high number of hausa fulani

the warri etc it is because of numbers

same can not be said of the igbos in lagos or the north.but igbos are wide speard and in pockets, they are easy to notice from there way of life to accent so u know he is igbo from names like uche, emeka etc

a yoruba man named aminu, atiku, abubaka and speaks hausa or kanuri or fula will would easly blend in and people would think he is hausa

also a kanuri that speaks hausa well, people would think he is hausa

Now again if a yoruba man is named david and he is light skin then u would think he is igbo without asking for his ethnicity

whereas the dark skin igbos are easly to notice because they have a detinct accent

you see now.

BTW

The Yoruba constitute between 30 [b]and 50 million individuals [9] throughout West Africa and are found predominantly in Nigeria and make up around 21% of its population[/b]

this is wikipedia as well saying yorubas are 50 million

and watch word is AND SO IT IS safe to say 80 million isn't it

apart from the 12 million yorubas outside yorubaland

abi am i saying rubbish

if igbos are everywhere and the highest igbo population density is in Lagos A YORUBA ENCLAVE then i think it speaks a lot about igbo population in nigeria

by Now lagos should be an igbo speaking town but it is not not even local government chairman

brother, let the sleeping dog lie

odumchi:
@ Alj Harem

Those census figures are inacurate. The Ngwa clan alone (which is concentrated in Abia State) is more than 3 million in population. Their population in 1979 was 1.5 million, feel free to double that or triple if you like. Besides those censuses are 2006 estimates. Feel free to add to compensate for the numbers  that were deducted. Imo state in 2006 was more or less 6 million. Its pop today can be 7 million or 8. The same goes for the other SE states.

Also according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igboland the 2006 population estimate of Igboland was in excess of 30 million. Igboland alone has more than 30 million (lets say 32 million), now add up the masybe 10 or 12  million Igbos meaning 42 million + Igbo people in Nigeria. Remember Igboland is not only the SE but (Delta, Rivers, small parts of Bayelsa and Benue and small parts of Akwa Ibom).

Here is a map to help you comrpehend

If ngwa has doubled or tripled would the hausa/fulani and yoruba population remain the same ?

a typical hausa man has 6 children at anyone time and his polygamous

a typical yoruba man is promiscous and would have 1 wife with 3-4 children with at least 2 mistress with 2 children each

an igbo family would have an average of 5 children at anytime with some having just 1 child and others have 8 children

with all this i am not sure but i think it remains the same

but all the propangada with igbos more than yoruba tire me but pray jonathan does an ethnic census

na wa ooo, what was he doing among those rioters

apart from this

if it was an english man that was killed in Nigeria, bombs would be raining and threats

now a Nigerian is killed, Our government would not even alter a word not to even talk of helping the family to bring the corpse back home

people ikokore is the bomb

i remember the first time i saw it, i was like do people eat this

i could not even eat it the first time

but after about 3 weeks i tried it again and oh my it was the most amazing food i have ever eaten in my life

the person that made it added, prawns, dried fish kpomo and meat

my was it good, it is also the one of the most health food made in nigeria

the food i hate is yam soup or cocoyam soup in urhobo. nasty but eat it that day because i wanted to be polite

another is bitter leaf soup, fufu

fufu is just nasty

Davidlyan are u ijebu ?

[quote author=haka_nai link=topic=735467.msg8926815#msg8926815 date=1313410963]So with all the people hitting him now,we could conclude they are all not Christians and not from Bayelsa/ND!!!!! I see , 
Na wa for you Mr Man e be like say you still get that propaganda nonsense littering your reasoning again. Your post speaks nothing but make an imaginary enemy for him as a bail out.
mean while guys stop hitting at GEJ like that.He is the president and deserve respect regardless [/quote]gbammm. Thank God u people are knowing beaf for who he is

Gray Beard:
Thank you for your response. Please don't leave the thread. If i could take my sunday afternoon to open this thread, at least humour me bro.

Alright. Now that we are off the blocks. Please can you point out some of the said things that you think he got wrong?

very good

Allah bless u and ur family

LOL

so how come oyo and lagos are not igbo speaking

odumchi:
Their was an ethnic census on Nairaland in which Igbos were found to be NLs largest group with over 42 percent. The question of Yoruba surpassing Igbo is not worth surpassing since Igbos are in excess of 30 million in Igboland and up to 15 million more (7 million in Lagos + elsewhere) while Yorubas are not up to 1 million outside of Yorubaland.

at least u are ready to u read my post before this andre was not ready to learn

ok Now Nairaland ethnic census CANNOT BE YOUR REFERS point at all, it is very inaccurate and cannot be used with people of 3 or more ID's

Igbos are not up to 30 million in igboland, where did you get that from

most populous igbos state anambra = 4.2 million

enugu = 3.2 million

abia = 2.8 million

ebonyi = 2.2 million

imo = 4 million

the sum of every one added together assuming that every singe soul in those states are igbos = 16.4 million

although we know we have a very high population of northerners, in the SE, Igala in anambra, enugu, ibibio in abia

yorubas in enugu. etc but i would say every single soul in SE are igbos. right

now in rivers state = 5.2 million people in rivers state

ok in rivers state we would say igbos 90% = 4.7 million

then delta state you people claim 70% of a population of 4.1 million = 2.8 million

then lagos state that hold the largest igbo setlement in the world of a population of 9 million

ohaneze claim 70% of lagos = 6.3 million

now the north igbos i would put it to 500 thousand but to avoid presecution= 4 million. right

ok, now 16 +4+6.3+2.8 + 4.7= 33.8+ 4 million igbos in the north = 37.8 million igbos in nigeria as of now. if this sounds senseable to u then fine

TO THE YORUBAS

Oyo = 5.6 million - igbos in Oyo 1 millions LOL = 4.6 million

Lagos = 9 million - igbos of 6.3 million who mariculuslly happen to be yoruba speaking and have yoruba names - other ethnic group who happen to speak yoruba of 1 million = 1.7 million yorubas in lagos well if u believe this figure then u believe any thing

i mean lagos is now an igbo town with 6.3 million igbos out of 9 million and those igbos speak yoruba , have yoruba names, trade in yoruba, wear yoruba coths, do agbero in yoruba style, they are bus conductors, okada radiers, selling akara and pepper on the street, they are also suya sellers, brurudu change, aso oke sellers, work in marina, the most popuous part of lagos is just for igbos isele eko, teachers to university graduates are all igbos with minority yorubas and hausa in lagos funny isn't it if u are honest with urself


ogun state of 3.7 million - igbos of 500 thousand = 3.2 million

ondo state of 3.4 millon - igbos of 200 thousand and also ijaws of 200 thousand unless u are more than ijaws in ondo again = 3 million

osun state = 3.4 million there are insignifacant igbos in osun so i can not substract it= 3.4 million


kogi state 3.3 millon and yoruba local governement is a 3rd of the state so 1.1 million

kwara state of 2.4 million and it is estimated yorubas are 70% by the fulanis king himself and other minorities = 1.7 million

ekiti state of 2.4 million - igbos and other 1.4 million

Now yorubas rivers state and SE =2 million although we know the truth

Yorubas in the north are more than the igbos whether u chose to believe it or not, in fact in plateau state alone there are more yorubas in there than in kogi

kano and sokoto, borno etc there are more yorubas in those places but u would not know unless they tell u that is why igbos are easy to notice in the north because they don't blend so well

is if igbos are 4 million in the north, then i would estimate yorubas to be 8 million.

Now sum 30.1

so yes there are more igbos than yoruba

Abagworo:
Nairaland alone is enough to prove the obvious persecution.Every weapon has been used against these resilient people that many have even tried to deny their identity as a means of survival or gaining acceptance from other Nigerians.The reactions during the various crisis in Nigeria shows that a particular group are generally targeted.Even what was done in Rivers State after the war and division of Igbo clans based on availability of oil tells the obvious.

I served in Yorubaland and I was a watcher all through.I lived in ethnic denial and gained love from people in order to study them and I got my result.I believe in Nigeria but it does not mean I do not know what is discussed behind me.

I have to let you know this that the only Nigerians that share love with Igbos are the Akwa Ibom and Cross River peoples.The rest are full of hatred and envy.

who asked u to live in ethnic denial or did the yorubas say if u are igbo, u would not get a job

where did u people get this sort of information from. it is a fact that igbos hate the yorubas and not the other way around

[size=13pt]Tribalism in Nollywood: Producers asked me to adopt Igbo name , ENIOLA BADMUS
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She is 'big' and beautiful with a reputation that sets her apart from the other actresses. ENIOLA BADMUS made her entry into the movie world eleven years ago with the movie 'Brutal Times' and ever since, she has had countless movies both in English and Yoruba to her credit. She is a recognised face, having been involved in some television jingles and promotions. Undermining her size ENIOLA is one actress that goes with confidence on and off set. She speaks with Spice on her career, the movie industry, her private life and lots more. Enjoy:

How is life and how is the acting career treating you?
We thank God, acting is going on well.

How long have you been acting?
I have been acting since 1997 and that is about eleven years now. I actually started with an English film. I have been acting right from my university days at the University of Ibadan.

Which was your first movie?
Brutal times.

Why did you abandon English home video for Yoruba?.
actually, I didn't abandon English home video completely, I still do TV series in English. I have about two of such soaps running on some television channels now. Though, there was a time I almost left but I didn't abandon the genre completely. I noticed that there was a lot of tribalism there. About two or three producers actually approached me to consider adopting an Igbo name which I rejected. I told them I would not sell my birth right. More so, my parents won't be happy with me.

I'm from a very good home. So I told them that if they couldn't accept me for what I am, I would rather go to where I'll be accepted better and that was why I crossed over to the Yoruba sector. But now, I still do TV series. But there's a project in the pipeline now that has to do with the English sector. They've been calling me back now.

When you compare the Yoruba and the English movie scene, which would you say is the most lucrative?
Let me say in the English sector, the fee is high and lucrative, but the Yoruba sector too is not doing badly at all. I must confess, the Yoruba sector made me as an actress. But in terms of money, Yoruba genre is far behind and that is basically because they help each other, sometimes without a fee being attached. Yoruba people believe in helping each other and they promote each other's work with little or no fee attached.
http://www.modernghana.com/movie/3261/3/tribalism-in-nollvwood-producers-asked-me-to-adopt.html

or has the same ever been done to the igbos in yoruba land really you people sound like a broken speaker


so if i am yoruba, i hate and envy igbos because they are in lagos

or i hate and envy igbos just because they are in sabon gari etc

dude it is gettig annoying how you people cook up stories to make people have pity for igbo people

hate and envy ko, , ,.,.,. ni

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=734965.msg8923172#msg8923172 date=1313358179]Ojukwu deserved to be helped through his illness by Ndigbo. However, I believe that Ojukwu himself would condemn the illegal uses of states fund on his behalf. The governors'  forum should raise funds by other means to fund  Ojukwu's medical expenses. It is disgraceful to spend money which could have been used to support health facilities which treat premature babies, to fund any government official's medical expense, let alone that of a private citizen.

T[size=13pt]hese governors should be jointly sourcing for funds to build a first class regional medical center in the East in Ojukwu's name instead of this illegal use  of state funds. If these narrow minded governors had built these medical facilities,[/size] Ojukwu would not have gone in exile for a second time. The man deserves to spend his remaining days with the Igbo people who love him. Shame on all of una. [/quote]+ 1000
gbasa very good

although i believe apart from the state funds, they can get some personal money and donate it to ojukwu's medical bill

infact i think the NG should look into it.

ChinenyeN:
I would imagine you to be wrong in that belief. Anyway, I believe an independent third party to carry out a quiet census on Nigeria's population. It's obvious that we can't trust FG, and it's even more obvious that we cannot trust ourselves to count truthfully. I would very much like to know the population distribution in Nigeria, both by ethnicity and state.

you are so correct, we can not trust anyone not even foreigners to do it

although I don't think an ethnic census is the right way to go about things because if the yorubas or igbos are found to be lower in hiraque then there would be revolt and fight.likly say the northerner have cheated them again and that is not the case.

I would like to know but it should be discouraged now in this modern day nigeria. the ethnic census in nigeria now is done based on the trouble u can cause the nation to go through. although make sure it is done with sense

ChinenyeN:
I'm wondering where AljHarem is getting this Ijo outnumber Igbo thing.

Lol how u had a good sunday brother?

I am not getting this from anywhere and have no sources but all i did is peculate

it is obvious to some people that i might be wrong although i is a personal believe which might be wrong

LOL

Ok first of all , it is good to be ambitious but in this case it is clear the man is a fraud

1. he tried to be the president twice in 2003 and 2007, when he saw that he is not getting it, he then opt out to go for gubernatorial which he won. a way of stealling all the money he lost LOL

2. Going for presidential seat after 3 months in power is totally shocking what has he done for the good people of Imo state before going for the post. Isn't it funny how this politicians use our brains and yet u are seeing others saying it is a good move just to support there kinsmen instead of looking at it from a clear point of view.

3. He is a fraud because all the sharing of money, kerosene chief comedian of the state, etc are all a way to get to the people before he drops the bombshell of presidency.

My brothers and sisters, this are the question we are meant to be asking ourselves

1. HOW MANY JOBS HAS HE CREATED FOR THE YOUTHS IN IMO STATE

2. HOW MANY HOSPITALS HAS HE BUILT OR REFURBISHED FOR IMO STATE not putting plaster on urself and pretending

3. HOW MAY ROAD HAS HE CONSTRUCTED

ETC

nOW HE HAS BARLY used 3 months and could not have done all that which I understand but rather than concentrate on the job at hand he is business with presidential seat.

people should be watching this man carefully and how newspapers like odili news and sun newspaper would want to sell us cheap propaganda that he is transforming Imo state

I can see no igbo is ready to revolt my analysis

the stone is now the chief cornerstone

an ethnic census would be a very terrible idea for igbos. it is ur choice but even ohaneze and massob are thinking twice about it as if ijaws or other groups are more than igbos then it spells disaster for igbos as the little both yorubas and igbos have would be taken away from them if anyone is a minority

best just let things flow and wait for Nigeria to mix up so words like i am mbaise, I am ijaw, i am kanuri would die and it would be I AM A NIGERIAN. God bless igbo people, God bless yoruba people, God bless Hausa people. GOD BLESS NIGERIA

How was ur sunday ? Hope it was good. I can see u did not really fault my analysis

Abagworo:
@alj-harem.I have to fault some of your insinuations because they are opposite of what is obtainable.

1) Igbos outside Igboland rarely speak or teach their children Igbo in order to avoid persecution associated with Igbo identity.So Igbos are more multilingual than any ethnic group in Nigeria.

There is no persecution for teaching igbo to ur children. where did u get that from. At least u have to gave ur children igbo names isn't it. So by such they know they are igbos and thus can associate themselves to igbo identity. If so even in lagos schools how come those that learn yoruba language are more than those that learn the igbo language In SCHOOL. remember it is compusory to learn 1 of the 3 major languages in every secondary school.

Abagworo:
2) Lagos should never be added to the population of any ethnic group because it is a blend of more than 400 ethnic groups from several countries.

why should lagos not be added what makes lagos differnet from cross river ? so if i am awori i should not be counted because people migrated to my state

i think this is a silly suggestion. there are more ethnic groups in adamawa alone than the entire SOUTHERN NIGERIA rangeing from fulani, yoruba, igbo, etc

or if i am kanuri in lagos, i should not be counted

every single individual should be counted so it would give a fair account. if lagos is removed, so should anambra, and adamawa be removed.

or in an ethnic census in USA is New york not counted which has much more groups than Nigeria,, or in england is london not counted

anambra too is how to lot of people from yoruba-hausa-igbo-igala-idoma-ijaw-edo etc it should not be counted as well brother going by ur logic

Abagworo:
3)Lagos is not up to 18 million and Nigeria is not more than 100 million.Our population is inflated.If you take a look at the size of New york and the height of the houses and has a population of 8million while New york State which include New Jersey is about 18million.Go to google earth and check the landmass and height of the buildings and compare with Lagos which according to Nigeria's laughable census is 18million.

whether lagos is 2 million or 30 million it is not material. Lagos is the 2nd most populous state in nigeria whether we like it or not and more people flock in the state daily for greener pastures.

if lagos census is wrong then i believe it is safe to say anambra (the most populous SE state) census is over bloated as well. how can a non-commerical capital other than onitsha house 4.2 million people given that there is erosion as well + the highly dense forest.

Abagworo:
Anambra is the most densely populated State in Nigeria closely followed by Imo.Abia,Rivers,Enugu rank amongst 2nd most densely populated.Lagos is the most densely populated but by all Nigerians and not Yoruba or Igbo.The best way to know our actual population distribution is through primary school enrolment especially among the Igbo and Yoruba whom I am certain 95% of them attend primary school.

abagworo I highly respect your views and I want to still have a good respectable realtionship with you on Nl.

all this andre and ohaneze estimation of igbos in lagos is all a lie, I live in lagos and the enivroment is very much yoruba everywhere. but I WOULD GIVE IGBOS BENEFIT OF DOUBT

Now Andre said Igbos are 4 million in lagos out of 10 million. anambra is 4.2 million apart from the hausa/ijaw/yoruba population, Igala are indigenes in anambra as well thus I would say igbos are about 2.5 million- 3 million in anambra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_population

thus lagos holds the highest igbo population IN NIGERIA AND THE WORLD

true or false



again according to ohaneze igbos are 45-70 % of lagos is igbo OK if so out of a population of 18 million

70% of 18 million is about 12 million if so it also mean the highest igbo population in NIGERIA AND THE WORLD IS IN LAGOS

true or false

Now IF true then Lagos should holds the igbos community in the world as small as lagos is (the smallest state) thus both by population density and size lagos holds the highest igbo population.

right!!!

LAGOS

With all this, One would think that lagos is an igbo state in a yoruba enclave but that is wrong, there is not igbo television, radio or any form of legistrative language in lagos. You rarly see igbo been spoken when compared to hausa or yoruba in lagos.

Again places like oyingbo, epe, badagry kosofe,ijaye, ifelodun etc u rarly see igbos. Quote me if i am wrong

high igbo population are in 3 place out a possible 16

which are alaba, idumota and computer village

Now to prove the hausas are more than igbos in lagos, go to mushin, mile 12, oshidi, obalanede, etc those living in lagos know what i am talking about.

Now population density

to show you that both yorubas and hausas are more than igbos

1. lagos is a yoruba city and I am sure they are more than igbos and hausa

2. ekiti and osun are larger than ebonyi and enugu and u rarely see igbos in those state, but with equal population density

3. igbos start and end in 5 SE state + ikwerri, ika, anoima etc which amount to less than 11% of the country's population

4. the igbos in the north are low in numbers when compared to yorubas but the yorubas blend in well when compared to igbos. there are more yorubas in borno/sokoto alone to cover the anioma ethnic group fold over again

5. yorubaland have 6 SW states kwara and kogi + delta, edo .

6 the yorubas are other 2-3 neigbouring countries such as benin republic (current president a yoruba man boni yayi) togo and part of ghana.

The hausa/fulani are in cameroun, niger, senegal, sudan, mail etc in large numbers

the igbos are only in Nigeria unless u want to talk of migration to gabon, cameroun etc which they are settlers in and not indigenes.

7. I believe and it is a personal choice that ijaws are more than Igbos and i stand to be corrected as the are found in nigeria and gabon or so. I may be wrong

8. and lastly an ethnic census would be bad as any group found as a minority would cause problem for the sovernity of this country

an ethnic census would be a bad idea

Andre Uweh:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benue_State
On Benue state read the above link. Apart from Okpoku LGA that are predominantly Igbo speaking, there llso Igbo in Obi and Oju LGA's.
On those who may deny Igbo: It is an individual thing, they have not come out as a group to disclaim Igbo and hence they are represented in Ohanaeze.
On Oyo state, Ndigbo are mostly found in Ibadan. Areas such as Agbowo, Abadina, Ikolaba, Ekotedo, Mokola, Oke Ado, Molete, Challenge, Dugbe, New Bodija and Sango has large concentration of Ndigbo. In other towns in Oyo state, they are not in hundreds of thousands but in thousands mostly engaged in business.
On Ogun state: Almost all the business centres is dominated by Ndigbo in Abeokuta wioth the exception of Igbore market that is mostly Adire materials. Shagamu and Ijebu Ode has large concentration of Ndigbo and they constitute 20% of those towns. Otta and other towns close to Lagos has also large concentration of Ndigbo.
Now compare that with Imo state that has 98% Ndigbo. Abia 96%, Enugu 94% and Anambra 92%. In the entire East, you have less than 20,000 Yorubas against 2 million Ndigbo in the south west minus Lagos with over 4 million.
How about Ndigbo of Ndoki origin located in Etim Ekpo and Ika Lga's in Akwa Ibom.?.
@ Alh Harem, it is a known fact that there more Ndigbo in Nigeria than Yorubas. But it is not certain between Hausa and Igbo is more numerous.

Lol gbammmm i agree.

shehuahmed:
it is little confusing cos any part of the country you go, you most see this 3 popular langueges. There are alot of peaple who say that "any village you go and did not see an igbo man, just run away" It is posible they go because of their business cos they actually care for money.it is little confusing cos any part of the country you go, you most see this 3 popular langueges. There are alot of peaple who say that "any village you go and did not see an igbo man, just run away" It is posible they go because of their business cos they actually care for money.

it is funny that the largest igbo population settlement is in lagos of about X amount of millions and I can beat my chest that places like inner epe, inner badadry, have very little population of igbos or No igbos at al l

if igbos are about 4 million of a possible 18 million in lagos and Anambra is 4.2 million then the largest igbo settlement is in lagos.

thus there population is not that much given that 4 million is igbos in lagos is not right and also anambra has igala indigenes and other yorubas and hausa in the state

i might be wrong again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_population

odumchi:
@ Alj

You have a point but you don't understand. Igboland is the smallest of the big three lands but it has the highest population density in Nigeria. Hausaland is not used for farming. The arras around Sokoto, Katsina are near barren or shrubland. The people partake in nomadic herding And few farm. Whereas Igboland is fertile and arable and can hold a large population for it's size. As for land area that doesn't matter. Russia is the biggest nation on earth but it only has 141 million people compared to Pakistan which is less than 1/10th it's size but has 160 million people. In 2006, Igboland was estimated to have a population in excess of 30 million, excluding Igbos outside of Igboland. The average density is 1000 people per square mile. Igboland is only second in density in Africa to the Nile valley. A place a little larger than Igboland but with 80 million people.

I personally view the figure Igbo first and then Hausa and Yoruba. Igbos are everywhere and sometimes their population in cities often challenges the indigenous population (Lagos). There are so many Igbos that in every major city in Nigeria, someone must have heard or seen an Igbo person.



As for those groups who you say do not accept being Igbo, that's a mindset that only exists online. Ive met many Ikwerre people who are proud Igbos and see themselves as an Ikwerre subgroup just like there is a Ngwa subgroup. Same goes with the Anioma (good land) subgroup.

you are right, all of this is just speculations

again as i said earilier yorba population in the north is defnatly more than igbos

hausa/fulani in the SW majority in lagos is more than igbos this i am sure of as well

hmm andre na wa for u o. I DON'T DISCUSS WITHOUT FACTS AND i CERTAINLY KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IN THIS CASE

Andre Uweh:
Once again, land mass is not a determinant in head count, why is this a problem for you. Agreed, Igbo land is small but you will not travel half a kilometre without finding people. I gave you an example of Mbaise in Imo state.

Lol so every single square inch in igbo land is occupied by a family. Ok what about the erosion lands and the forest. are they also occupied by Families. Or are farmlands too occupied by families too. LOL when you are serious you can discuss.

again mbaise

115360 + 96170 +92462 = 303,992 people according to mbaise people website

http://mbaiseinireland.org/?p=229

now indigenes of lagos are aworis, egbas, egun, ijebu

lagos indigenes = no really sub-ethnic census for yoruba subgroups as they do not count in subgroups but as yorubas

But now i have a rough estimate and it is save to use this estimate

Now this is the population of lagos in 1991 8.5 million. Back then there were little or no igbo population then right!

according to this site

Now i would estimate the populstion of indigenes of lagos to 20% back then although we know it is a lot more than that. even now it is estimated to 40-47%. but then again we are not sure but other yorubas for other state go back to there state of origin.

Now 20% of 8.5 million is about 1.7 million. that is above mbaise population 5 folds

http://www.fhi.org/NR/rdonlyres/edamzquh5f6vwhyytihhmkszht3socidgdcvyuqkiawfuainggz6v6x2p6grmk42eb4rn7z4l46aqn/LagosRapidAssessmentNigeria1enhv.pdf

also this is awori website that says they can be found everywhere LG in the state. not sure how  true that is

http://awori.org/TheAworis.aspx

Now also, this is a report by the humanitarian report that says awori are 30% of lagos, egba are 10%

that alone speaks volume

http://sites.tufts.edu/jha/archives/541

but I had to underestimate it again for u

Andre Uweh:
FYI, if an ethnic census is conducted in Lagos state, the 4 million out of 12 million people in Lagos will not be counted as Yoruba but Igbo. In Oyo state, 1 million Ndigbo out of 5 million people in Oyo state will be counted as Ndigbo.

that again i am not sure of, if igbos are 4 million, then how many aworis do we have in lagos, how many hausa, tapa, egun, egba, ijebu and foreigners

Again i am not sure although ohaneze kept quote 43-60% of the population of lagos to be igbos. I don't know were they got those figures from

but this is what i got from lagos although u know different local government have different population of igbo and hausa and yoruba and varies with there concentration

The three cities where the questionnaires were administered represented different types of urbanism. Ajegunle is a suburb of Lagos near the industrial estate and port of Apapa including the adjacent areas of Olodi and Amukoko. Ajegunle is the headquarters of Ajeromi-Ifelodun Local Government, a local government with population of 1,435,295 (2006 population census) and Ajegunle is the most densely populated of this local government with a population of about 500,000. Three major tribes of Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo can be found at Ajegunle in the proportions of 40 percent, 35 percent and 25 percent respectively.

Agege is located in Agege Local Government area and serves as the headquarters of Agege Local Government. By the 2006 population census, Agege Local Government has a population of 1,033,064 and as the headquarters of the Local Council, Agege has the largest population of about 400,000. The Hausa in Agege migrated from the north of the country and their proportion stands at 40 percent. Other tribes found in Agege include Awori who are the real indigene of the city but they have been outnumbered by the Hausa. The proportion of the Awori is about 30 percent. The Egba migrated from Abeokuta and are 10 percent while Igbo represent 20 percent Mushin was the third city selected. As a local government headquarters, it is the most densely populated area. Thus while the whole Mushin Local Government is having a population of 1,321,517 (2006 population census), Mushin is having about 500,000. The predominant people there are the Hausa of about 49 percent. The Yoruba is about 30 percent. Ibo represent 10 percent while others represent 11 percent.

http://sites.tufts.edu/jha/archives/541

so i can estimate igbo population to be about 20%-30% because we have more notherners in lagos than igbo. whether u chose to believe it or not is not material.

here is another one i found saying Egun people are 15 % of the state and awori 70%
http://www.cefolassaocoed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60&Itemid=68&limitstart=4

remember as i said earlier we still have ijebu, egba tapa etc as indigenes of the state also ilaje

so believeing an igbo social cultural group over all this links is silly as they only push for there own agenda


here is another one saying yorubas are 70% of lagos http://www.city-data.com/world-cities/Lagos.html

a link saying other yoruba ethnic group apart from the indigenes are 35%

http://rpg.wikia.com/wiki/Yoruba_(ethnic_group)  thus indigenes yorubas can be said to be 35-40%

i can go on and on

about OYO

Andre that is a big lie

whay is the population of oyo 5,591,589----- 5.5 million people and so u mean to tell me that igbos are 1 million

Ok this is from OYO website "The people of Oyo State are Yoruba with a common ancestor in Oduduwa"

thus the population of igbos there are insignificant because on like lagos there is no regonition. although I could not find a concrete link to this. Not withstanding I have lived in oyo aswell and i know how the state is like, If the population of igbos are up to 2000 i would be surprised.

Andre Uweh:
In Kwara state, the northern part is not Yoruba, the middle part is a misture of groups while the south is Yoruba. Even at that, the Igbo population in Rivers state is bigger than the entire Kwara state population.
in KOGI state, the Yoruba population is nothing compared to 1.5 million Igbo people in Delta state.

Again anyone that says kwara and kogi is not a northern state should be slapped also anyone that says cross river is not a south-south state should be slapped

Kwara is a northern state and infact i think the governor is half yoruba half fulani

But majority of kwara is yoruba speaking and identify with yoruba.

here is a link to kwara state official website written by fulanis

The principal groups residing in Kwara State are the Yoruba, Nupe, Bariba and Fulani. The skilled craftsmanship of the people of this central region has been evident for centuries. The, largest and most important pottery workshops in Nigeria can be found in the capital city of Ilorin. Proponents of the craft of traditional textile weaving are also very prominent: the Aso Oke style of hand-loomed cloth-making is world renowned.

http://www.kwarastate.gov.ng/about-kwara-state.html

languages spoken in kwara

http://www.uiowa.edu/intlinet/unijos/nigonnet/nlp/kwara.htm

http://againstbabangida.com/Newsroom-at-AgainstBabangida.com/ibb-forbidden-to-campaign-among-yorubas.html

Now i think this should kill you kwara argument as this House of reps website speak

Kwara State is one of the 36 states of Nigeria. Its capital is Ilorin and its governor is Bukola Saraki. The primary ethnic group of Kwara State is Yoruba, with significant Nupe, Bariba and Fulani minorities

http://www.speakersoffice.gov.ng/constituencies_kwara.htm

this is also  kwara radio official radio station that speaks yoruba predominatly

http://www.radiokwara.com/programmes/programmes_tuesday.htm

same with lagos state official radio station that speaks yoruba (radio lagos) that is if u have lived in lagos

i can go on and on

again all this delta igbo , rivers igbos are not more than this people because majority are migrates when compare to indigenous people.

I have not really figures to name the amount of yorubas in kwara and kogi because as i said hausa/fulani\yorubas don't count individual clans but are counted as hausa/fulani and yoruba alone not as awori, fulani alone

I am sorry i hav no really figure to compare

Andre Uweh:
The Olukumi in Delta state who are less than 1,000 can not be compared to Okpoku LGA of Benue state who are Igbo speaking and number about 100 thousand.
In total, Igboland is half of Yorubaland in land mass while Yoruba population is just about half of Igbo population.

Lol i don't think the so called igbo speaking people in benue would subscribe to u calling them igbo as u do not understand there language. same can not be said of the yorubas would understand igala, itsekiri, ebari and yet gave them the freedom to call themselves as indvidual  ethnic groups

calling benue,ika, ikwerri etc igbos just to inflate ur numbers would not still help the % of igbos significantly. MOREOVER THIS IS THE SAME THING U ACCUSE THE HAUSA/FULANI ARE DOING. which they are not

Even if i agree they are igbos indigenes in edo, rivers, akwa ibom, baylsea, benue, kogi etc as u people claim, is it going to increase you people clami population significantly.   Don't think so but Again this is just a suggestion. No one knows

lastly, this is my taking of this 2011, this is a very vage guess and very inaccurate

hausa/fulani- 30%

yoruba - 23%

igbo- 20%

kanuri- 5%

ijaw- 3%

edo- 3%

ibibio- 4%

igala- 1%

nupe- 2%

etc not sure but this is just a suggestion

again I igbo population might be large as the population density is not well documented, who know

andre, don't take it personal, All i did is suggest and use all the info i have to make a prediction

and as such nupe people were never counted as yorubas

kanuri berom,and southern kaduna people were nver counted as hausa/fulani

andre I can help u out

A group denying its yoruba identity right now are the Nupe people. but just like the edo people, they had there own empire and can choose to have there identity

for the hausas/fulani, it is those silly southern kaduna people, beroms and kanuri

but then again kanuri never fell for the Dan folio

and beroms and southern kaduna are just lost children but would be gotten back

Andre Uweh:
Furthermore, even if some groups say they are not Igbo, there will be more groups from Yorubaland who will say they are not Yorubas. We have seen that already in Kwara state, Kogi state, Ogun and Lagos. While in Hausaland, Fulanis will easily say they are not Hausas, this will actually live Ndigbo as the biggest ethnic group in Nigeria if we go by the logic of Alh Harem.

like which group in yorubaland and hausaland. please be specific.

not individuals but groups

Andre Uweh:
^^^
Land mass is not a determinant in head count. Niger republic is bigger than Holland in land mass by x50, yet Holland is more numerous than Niger republic. So if Igboland is 15% of the land mass of Nigeria, does not mean they are less than Hausas. You guys have not been to Igboland and that is why you chat so much irrelevancies.
For your information, the Igbo border areas where there is identity crisis are very sparsely populated. The bulk of Igbo population is the South east and the population of this area alone is bigger than the entire south west including half of Kwara state Yorubaland.
Only Mbaise alone has a population bigger than the entire Lagos state indigenes.

my friend you are being illogical here. really it makes no sense. i mean brother listen to urself

1. Niger is not Nigeria. Niger is more or less a desert while even northern nigeria is savanna

2. Niger indigenes are more than Holland indigenes but is it not obvious that holland has a lot of migrates due to it economy as an european country thus the population count does not really matter as u do not kno the indigenes from migrates

3. I don't really want to argue with you, to be Honest here and you can comfirm from anyone, yorubaland more than half of kwara so trying to say half of kwara alone is wrong information. don't forget okun in kogi.

4. All 5 SE states can fit in OYO state.

5. if you believe the SE is bigger than the SW then there is no point in me discussing with you as u are not honest with yourself again.

6.Lastly, a state of 18 millon people of 30% indigenes is less than a state of about 3 million of which mbaise are a third of the population. Again if you are not honest with urself then there is no point.

I would leave you wit 1 thing and it is a fact whether you believe it or not.

The hausas alone are more than all the igbo clans, with all the claimed igbos(ika and co) + ijaw, ibiobio etc apart from the fulani

another thing I would leave u with is that

the ijebu and the egba alone in yoruba and are more than the population of ebonyi, anambra and enugu. forgeting about the ekiti, that are found everywhere etc

do you even know the apoi ijaws are now claiming yoruba. go figure brother.

You sounded annoyed in ur post, and I would want u to relax and digest with I wrote. Remember, lets remain civil, i mean at the end of the day it is all specualtion until we do head count and igbos might be the most populous group in nigeria, who knows ONLY ALLAH/GOD.

here is the ethnic map of nigeria by BBC updated 2008 or so u see hausa in abuja

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSY64EjSlZa3P5-FuVCmekHuIRLv3T04te3rr--3QzUa0SMM1m8[/img]

here is are ur states

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcRvOeUCtkWZBw2vdUoAzAm531AY_NzTTpPwsv5PiMgKdDWQ3S[/img]

here is kwara and yorubas part of kogi
[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-E4T8pWg_xLn_W2_z7WPEflCnegckfpICc8EaNXopPO0bs9el[/img]

Now this is my analysis and since i am not hausa/yoruba/igbo I can be objective

1. the land mass of hausa/fulani land is about 40 % of Nigeria thus it is easy to say they are the largest ethnic group

the hausa/fulani occupy states like all the core northern states, abuja, niger, kwara, adamawa, nassawara, taraba, benue, plateau.

they are also in other countries outside nigeria that they can easlly migrate

2. the land mass of the yorubas about 20-25% and are states like kwara, niger, kogi, delta apart from the core SW states and also in other countries outside Nigeria

3. the land mass of the igbos is about 10-15 % and are in the core 5 SE states and are in states like delta, rivers. But the problem is some of the groups say they are not igbos and have there own distinct identities. Calling them igbo against there wish would only work against the wider igbos as when the emulators come for count, they would tell them otherwise instead of saying they are igbos.

this is the problem but even if they say they are, with me analysis i still believe this groups are larger than igbos. I might be wrong. it is just a suggestion

another thing is that yorubas are a lot in the north but can really blend in well. You might think he is an hausa fulani. Also in the SS but blend well as well. I remember a man that could speak igbo well and also looks igbo but said he was yoruba.

Also the igbos are easly noticed as they have a distinct way of life and accent which is easlly noticable. again i might be wrong and don't want to look like a hater. please lets make it a civil discussion

BEFORE I GO


does it matter if igbos or hausa are the most populous group

it changes nothing.  If tomorrow we count is it s proven false, what would you and ohaneze do ? would u all not say it is cheating etc

yes if igbos are the most populous, then good it adds nothing or take anything from you people

if yorubas are the most populous, then good as well

same with hausa

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=734945.msg8916229#msg8916229 date=1313256348]Alhaji na wa o. Why na? In the Nigeria of today, one must know at least one out of the wazobia languages.

But at least you fit tell me some of the things she dee talk. Men, the lady is too feminine.

@Rhino, abeg brother wetin the lady dee yarn? Shey u sabi speak Hausa?[/quote]LOL ok them people tell me any nigerian that does not understand broken english

whereas hausa/igbo/yoruba is not known by all.

rhymz:
No matter how hard an Aboki tries to be discerning, he will always betray the lameness in his thought process and make nonsense of his own logic by the time he is through with his lame arguements.
Tinubu does not control the SW or the Yoruba, yet in thesame breath you are arguing how the SE and SW will never mix cos emperor Tinubu will never lay his pride for APGA and how silly it will be of him, if he even did it. Don't you see how you contradict yourself like a slowpoke all the time? Your hypocrisy is even worse as it lacks any refinement in its form of disguise; there you are jeering at Igbo and Yoruba inability to cooperate and achieve a goal while you hypocritically talk down on igbo presidency and instead presented other nigerian tribes, you did not forget to lend your phony logic to the possibilities of NE, NW,NC and SW becoming president while the SE plays second fiddle. Murfacking hypocritical cretin trying to sneak a candy bar like that fools anyone. Abeg go siddon jare, abokis and their malu logic.

see insults all on me My brother we are discussing now

1. Tinubu does not control SW and he is no emperor

2. ACN and APGA cannot unite as APGA has nothing to offer ACN, again i stand to be corrected

3. Tinubu can deliver ACN votes but not SW. the reality is the those ACN people in power from amosun to fashola were all loved by the people and not love for tinubu or ACN. Ngige was loved by anambra people and not ACN per say

4. I said the SE can be the president. I never said otherwise. I said the ball in there court. believe this

the VP position is also very vry important. If lets say the North is going for presidentcy, then the VP must be from the SE for them to win

if the West is going for it, then the VP must be from the NE

if the SE is going for it the VP must be form NC/NW/NE

So the east is full of choices and this choices would tell us Nigerians if we are going to vote for them or not

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=734945.msg8916164#msg8916164 date=1313255617]lol. Your Igbo is improving. Kudos.

Obodo oyinbo dee o. I dee miss 9ja well well.

Alj, I dee try learn Hausa o. I don dee watch some clips on utube. I too like Zainab Indomie. She's very feminine. I like what she does with her body in this song;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sKKcRc_tj0&list=FLLMfar48vhrY&index=7

Please, wetin dem dee talk for am?[/quote]good even my hausa and yoruba are not that good. me na broken english i know well well

although i can get some phrases in yoruba/igbo and hausa. good to know u miss us Nigerians

Nigeria would be great my brother. best believe

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=734945.msg8916105#msg8916105 date=1313255073]Alhaj harem aka Uche. Biko hapu ebeaahun! Enwerom ego.[/quote]i think i get what u are say

ego good no be small. just enjoy life small small and no forget alj harem/uchena

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=734945.msg8916063#msg8916063 date=1313254745]Alj,

lagidi. lasgidi.  

@Musiwa,

5years?      Aare, which one na? You go fit do the job with all your maps?



BTW, we should all wish the woman well. If anyone was more upto the job, I bet the person would've been appointed. The last time I checked, there wasn't. Enough of this Igbo vs Yoruba vs Hausa sentiments on this forum. When I checked today's date, I found out that we're still Nigerians. We should thank the lady and praise her for her patriotic zeal. Many such professionals have given-up on  Nigeria long ago and are now living permanently overseas. A Yoruba friend of mine here in U.K is one such person.[/quote]LOL thanks for the correction, actual typo

the bolded is so correct. Really

them people how is obodo oyinbo like  

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=734945.msg8915990#msg8915990 date=1313253990]Yes o o o very intelligent and blunt, two most irresistible quality i cant reject.

so where are you? Still in lag? I shall be leaving Abuja to lag by ending.[/quote] yes still in lagidi. iwaya actually

good to know brother, na u dey enjoy o from PH to abuja

money dey