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On a serious note and please 2015 is for the north

although WE AS NIGERIANS should vote for the best candidate to win. Lets leave all this ethnic, zone etc out of it

The north will produce a candidate David mark, and ma the best candidate win

shikena

anyone that believes sun newspaper information is highly misinformed

this paper just open trash each time they report

15 everyday. even if it is on the average I bet it is not up to 5 (MAXIMUM)

or is it not the nnewi we all live in

electricity

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=729424.msg8898647#msg8898647 date=1313043370]There have been many similar topics opened on NL about Zik's contribution to Nigeria. Its a shame we still discuss such things. Let me dissect.

I admire Awolowo for his evidencial love for his people. This love translated into physical development in the Western region however, I despise him for his contributions to ethnocentric politics. He sowed the seeds of high mistrust between Ndigbo and the Yorubas. No other person has contributed to the division of Southern Nigeria than Awolowo himself.
Awolowo would've sealed the unity between Ndigbo and the Yoruba by co-operating more with Igbo politicians afterall, Ndigbo share a lot more with the Yorubas than the core North but, he NEVER did this instead, engaged in ethnocentric politics which caused major divisions in ideologies between him and Zik. A chance manifested for Awolowo to unite with Ndigbo through Biafra but instead, he dealt a blow to this unity by deliberately institutionalizing a policy which saw many Eastern Nigerian (mainly Ndigbo) children starve to death. Ndigbo and the Yorubas are the most progressive ethnic groups in Africa but Awo is the main reason of the distrust and damage to the unity between the two groups.

I admire Zik for his pro-Nigeria stance. Unlike Awolowo who was very pro-yoruba and anti-Nigeria, Zik was not actually anti-Igbo but actually very pro-Nigeria to the detriment of his own people Ndigbo. It could be said that while Awolowo focused all his energy to the development of the Yoruba wellbeing, Zik did so for the development of Nigeria and not Ndigbo - and this is one of the reasons why Ndigbo hate him as a leader.

On the other hand, Bello was a despot who never saw Southern Nigeria as a region to be co-operated with but, as a region to be conquered and dominated thereby, sowing the seeds of "Born to rule" mentality that pervades the attitude of the core north to Nigeria's governance (from independence days till 2011 election period). Bello, like Awo, must be commended for his love for his people but both weren't pro-Nigeria enough as Zik was.

All in all, though Zik was hated by Ndigbo, he's the best of the trio when viewed from a Nigerian non-regional point of view. Awo would've had my vote if viewed from a regional point of view. Bello was the odd one here.

For most of you who argue against Zik's importance, you're indeed doing so from a hindsight point of view and not during Zik's heydays in politics. If Nigeria had worked-out as a country in development of its infrastructure, people and a homogeneous culture then I've got no doubt that Zik would've occupied the status of a demigod.[/quote]although my brother this does not relate to the topic but i NEVER THOUGHT you as well can be lying like dede1 and co

ok

1. Awolowo fought tooth and nail for southern nigeria, It was zik that fought for 1 Nigeria which I love now

2. Awolowo called Zik to form southern Nigeria but Zik instead betrayed awolowo and imprisoned him, then formed a unity government with us of which he was the president in spit of awolowo and his region and Bellow was the PM

3. Zik made unrest in the western region and SE soliders were beating and arresting the SW leaders,

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1962/11/13/FS131162001/?s=nigeria+&st=0&pn=35&sortBy=date

you can use that video to comfime while the SE professionals were working in suit in lagos as if it is there land

4. Zik divided the west to west and mid-west which marked the beginning of the division of southern nigeria and Nigeria at large

ZIK IS THE CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEM TODAY IN NIGERIA, NORTHERN NIGERIA AND SOUTHERN NIGERIA

ZIK IS THE PROBLEM OF HE WEST, EAST, AND NORTH

ZIK MARKED THE BEGINNING OF BETRAYAL IN NIGERIA

SHAGARI AND NORTHERN LEADERS KNEW THIS AND CALLED HIM A HARLOT BEFORE HE DIE

AWOLOWO KNEW HE WAS WORKING FOR THE BRITISH AND TRIED TALKING TO HIM, INSTEAD HE IMPRISONED HIM AND THE MID-WEST LEADER THUS ALSO DIVIDING THERE REGION KNOWING FULL WELL OF WHAT HE IS DOING

Dem-people Zik of onitsha is better or better still Zik of eastern Nigeria NOT AFRICA

stay blessed my brother

No Zik acheivement yet

@Roadstar

i think it is a bit low on your side comparing Zi with jefferson, mandela and George

I told you why those people are still loved till today but if Zik has done a quater of there achievement, I bet he would be loved as well

Stop the comparism

@AFam

I don't think there is any comparison all we what is the list of achievement we as NIGERIANS ARE STILL ENJOYING FROM TODAY?

@chino and co

why the insults can't we discuss without insults

sun newspaper and there rubbish

if 15 people are kidnapped in nnewi everyday then it would not take long before relatives of the kidnappers are take themselves

rubbish paper

some of you people on this thread are very dumb or may be just naive

some are saying he should just die, would u like people to talk of you loved ones like that ?

No

Pray for him, after all he is just 77 yrs in age and average of a man is 80yrs

so please think before u talk

The drama over the properties of the Ikemba Nnewi, Chief Odumegwu Ojukwu is getting interesting by the day as the Movement for the Actualization for the Sovereign State of Biafra ( MASSOB),  and the Ikemba's half brother, Lota Ojukwu have joined in the fray.

Ojukwu
had been down with a massive stroke for quite a  while. He is currently in the intensive care unit of a London Hospital.

Pointblanknews.com learnt that last Thursday , Lota stormed the 29 Oyinkan Abayomi Drive ( Queens Drive),  property of the Ikemba with thugs, broke down the gate, beat up and chase away the security men, and took over the place.

His move , it was learnt was to preempt the ailing war lord's eldest son , Sylvester from taking  over the property.

When Sylvester got wind of the invasion, he contacted some of his friends in the police, and some low ranking soldiers. But the attempt by these uniformed men to dislodge Lota's thugs was futile. It became a stand off.

Pointblanknews.com learnt that few hours later, MASSOB arrived. It was however not clear if they were invited by Sylvester.

After a brief stand off, the Lota thugs were chased out, their boss scaled the fence to avoid the wrath of the MASSOB boys

Last month, two of his sons, Sylvester and Chwulwuemeka Jnr approached a Lagos High Court for an exparte motion in connection with their father's properties in Ikoyi, Lagos and Enugu.

The claimants listed in suit NO: LD/794/2011 before Justice O.A Adefope Okojie, are Ogbonna Ojukwu, Chief Debe Odumegwu Ojukwu, and Silver Convention Nigeria Limited.

The defendants are Ojukwu Transport, Professor Joseph Ojukwu, Dim Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, Engineer Emmanuel Ojukwu , Lotanna Ojukwu, and Massey Udegbe.

Justice Adefope- Okojie after listening to counsel to the claimants, Kayode Ayorinde, made an order for substituted service on Prof Ojukwu, the Ikemba and Emmanuel Ojukwu at No 26, Park Avenue , GRA Enugu, No 7 Forest Crescent, GRA Enugu and No 24 Isiuzo Stree, Independence Layout.

http://nigerianewsdaily.com/categoryblog/20962.html

RoadStar:
Still waiting for an educated mind to tell me what material, capital or infrastructural achievement of George Washington, Nelson Mandela and Thomas Jefferson asides being the father of the independence movement of their individula nations.

This question has opened the eyes of a few who have quietly slipped out of the discussion.

George washington and Jefferson fought and went to war for america when it was controlled by the british

Nelson mandela was in prison for 27 yrs

Nnamdi speech and yet was still used by the same british people

please when you want to make analogies of Zik, please stop adding those names to it. It is really an insult to them as this people went through a lot for there people unlike Zik that was served tea and milk day and nigth

did you even hear of the plaque george and jefferson almost caught during the war

did u hear how nelson was sick in prison

where was zik, in his house driving his car saying he is fighting for our independence of which people like enahoro and awolowo too fought for

so please use other GREAT PEOPLE and Not Zik

thanks, I hope that answered your question

Andre Uweh:
We had Buhari from Jan 1, 1984 till August 85.

and it was the best period in Nigerian history

for me it is awolowo and bello

followed by buhari

funny

PointB:
If it pleases you, I have modified it. But it really does not matter what the sizes of the major ethnic groups are. And if it does matter, it will be articulated at the conference (or so I believe). This thread has no tribal undertone.

Thanks.

well said

the numbers does not really matter

seanet02:
Dead on Arrival. The same tribalism you want to put an end to is what you are using to place your tribe above others. Where did you got your ibo 30 Yoruba 20? Arrant nonsense.

does it matter

he said he knows does not mean others don't know otherwise

I see no tribalism in this

favouredjb:
well,how come some edo people bear yoruba names?i have so many of them,sola,toyin bola etc

actually it is not yoruba names but a SWern names meaning

yorubas, edo, itsekiri, igala, nupe fulani etc bear those names as well

saying it is a yoruba name means it originated from the yorubas alone

names like ajao, ojo etc are also edo names but used by yorubas

[quote author=sweet_gala link=topic=730834.msg8886171#msg8886171 date=1312889924]Why must some individuals of igbo lineage relegate themselves to launching offensive attacks on the yoruba ethnic group as a defensive tool when accosted in a civil conversation . I know most igbo people with intellect have morals and would desist but why do some people resolve to such childish demeanor. The OP is wrong to site the man as an igbo man because that taken away his nationality and advances the cause of ethnic bigotry[/quote]my brother/sister It is not only yorubas but northerners as well

it is jealousy, hate and envy but what do we do ?

Best thing is to show love to defeat hate

hate is something that burns the heart, by using love, it is like cold water to the heart which dowses the heat

so keep showing love to them and don't insult them back, that way they will also learn to love

I actually admire the man

here is a video of the car in motion


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w_srf3KrdY

When Sunday Okpere was seven, he made toy cars using empty milk cans, short ropes and small twigs, which he happily dragged around the streets in his hometown in Edo State; while at the same time nursing the dream of building a real car.
http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/Metro/5731920-147/the_man_who_built_a_car.csp

so chino edo urhobo and I think itsekiris use this names as well

not everyone named Ajao, Ojo, Ade is yoruba, they may be edo, igala etc

Not everyone named Atiku is fulani, they maybe yoruba, kanuri etc

chino relax eh

Bliss4Lyfe:
The sooner we run out of oil the better. It will be interestin to see the North demand or succeed from Nigeria. lollz It surely will be a deadly war, becos no way southerners will let dem go. 

Leting gini go?

u no serious

we want to go as well, better go meet the elites for ur money because ur money is not getting to us

chino11:
Your just being idiotic, the world does not need you and yoroobah people like you because they are the problem of Nigeria. In Nigeria today its only an Igboman who uses the God given power to think and bring it to fruition. Check the history to get it confirmed

Lol

actually the man is NOT IGBO

but from edo

go research on him

Talk of hatching ur egg before it is laid

well goodluch with ur ego superiority complex

djustice:
To the poster who asked if Fashola and Tinubu are bastards for appointing an Igbo Commissioner in Lagos State: Yes. They are ignorant baboons and bastards of the worst kind.

I know Fashola had no hand in it. He was appointed because he had been washing money for "Tinubu" while working at a bank. The truth is, Ojuyobo appointed him to spite indigenous Lagosians, since his Iragbiji origin has been discovered, despite his valiant attempts to hide it. We now know that the name he bears belongs to a WOMAN who attended Chicago State University. That's why you have never heard the full version of the "Bola" in his name. Is it Bolanle, or Olubola, or Adebola, or Boladale, or Abimbola? Which important Yoruba person bears the short form of their name OFFICIALLY

Fashola simply went along because he's a boy-boy of the super gangster, Yekini Amoda Ogunlere, alias Bola Ahmed Tinubu.

To the Ibos and other ethnic minorities agitating to become governor of Lagos State, I say this: Remember the events leading up to the civil war? It was this same boastful and arrogant behaviour after the January 1966 coup that led to the intense HATE that Northerners in general and Hausa/Fulanis in particular harboured for you people and ultimately led to the genocide later that year that eventually led to the civil war in which 3 million of your people were slaughtered needlessly. Your refusal to learn from your own tragic recent history will be your undoing. Continue underestimating indigenous Lagosians. We will eventually have to teach you people a final lesson in how not to be ingrates and disagreeable guests in another man's land.

The first step has already started.

A gradual boycott of Igbo businesses by indigenous Lagosians has already begun. It will spread to other Yoruba groups resident in Lagos. We don't need much motivation for this boycott, since all you people sell are fake and sub-standard goods anyway. It will continue to VERY STRINGENT terms for rental of property to Ibo people, and then outright refusal to rent to you, then refusal to SELL land to Ibos. We are developing a strategy that will see Lagosians and other Yoruba property owners only leasing land and houses to you  for a maximum of 10 years. All your existing C of Os will be revoked in the public interest. It is in the public interest that Ibos do not empty out their villages to relocate to Lagos in order to realise their vain ambition to rule us.

Keep shouting. We shall see.

LOL

you see what I have been fighting against Tinubu and co

Our liberty as indigenes have been taken for granted by the mumu called tinubu

well I do not support any extreme measures but I just want my other yoruba brothers to see how yawa go gas in lagos very very soon

Goodluck

otumfour:
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! greetingz to all of 'em 3 (shesi,jtor & nyameke) Ghanaians, y'all held it down well against the million nigerians on this thread mayne!!!!!!! its bn a minute since a dude posted on this b!tch

typical case of the movie 300

chalie

maakye

By DAPO AKINREFON

OTUNBA Gani Adams is the National Coordinator of Oodua Peoples Congress, OPC. Adams, who was in the forefront of the June 12 struggle in this interview, alludes to the insinuations of former Chief Security Officer to late General Sani Abacha, Major Hamza Mustapha that some prominent Yoruba leaders were compromised to keep the Southwest quiet after the death of Chief MKO Abiola. He asserts that the development led to the factationlisation of the OPC. Excerpts:

What do you make of the allegations made by former Chief Security Officer to late General Sani Abacha, Major Hamza Mustapha that Chief Bola Ige and Pa Abraham Adesanya, among others were bribed by General Abdulsalami Abubakar to douse tension in the Southwest after the death of Chief MKO Abiola?

I will not to cast aspersion on late Pa Adesanya, Chief Bola Ige and other Yoruba leaders but what we heard then was that Abdulsalami induced some Yoruba leaders with money. That was why they played down the restiveness and the struggle after the death of Abiola. That was what we heard. I don’t have the opportunity to expatiate on the exact amount of money given to them.

As one of those in the struggle and one who was close to some NADECO chieftains including Dr Fredrick Fasehun, we know that something like that happened. If you recall, the issue led to the splitting of the OPC into two because our faction made it known that we were not going to get involved in politics, but Dr Fasehun systematically subscribed to assist the politicians even though he was not contesting.

Splitting of OPC

That led to the splitting of the OPC into two. About 97 % of us in the OPC then said we were not joining politics. That was what led to the crisis within the OPC. I cannot easily forget what led to the crisis of OPC and that was why I said the allegation that some South west leaders collected money is actually true.

Can you mention their names?
I cannot mention names but we know certain monies were given to prominent Yoruba leaders.

Were you approached to be given any money at that time?

No, I was not up to that stage (become prominent) by then. I gained prominence after I was appointed as the leader of OPC; I was one of those who coordinated the protest then. During this period, I was not a leader. I was one of those who started the June 12 protest of 1995 and 1998 in the OPC especially in Lagos. I had information at my disposal then that indeed, some people collected money. You can see how secrets are being revealed.

I believe that Mustapha (has) records of leaders that came to the Villa because he was the Chief Security Officer of Abacha and at the same time, he knew many things before his arrest. I will not doubt Mustapha’s revelations and issues like this must not be swept under the carpet.

There is need to sanitize out system and not only the Southwest alone. If we keep quiet on issues like this, at the end of the day, we will witness many gruesome murders. The Dele Giwa and Abiola issues are still there unresolved.

If we think Mustapha is targeting the South west alone, we are mistaken. Those involved in the act have their integrity at stake; but the truth has to be told.

But do you believe that late Pa Abraham Adesanya and Chief Bola Ige actually collected money?

Let me tell you, those were the two respected Yoruba leaders we had at that time; I am not saying whether they collected money or not, but I know some Yoruba leaders collected money.

With all this revelation, don’t you think it will have a negative effect on the South west?
No. It will even give a signal of caution to anyone who becomes a leader. No matter how smart or cunning you are, one day, your secrets will be exposed.

Even during and after the June 12 struggle, we have some Yoruba leaders who have not betrayed the race. I just know that after darkness comes light. Those aspiring to become future leaders should be careful because no secret will be hidden for ever. And so, the revelations made by Mustapha goes beyond Yoruba land, it is a signal to everybody in this country. If you are given an opportunity to lead, do not betray them.

Accurate prediction

What Mustapha said happened some 13 years ago, though we got the information, we couldn’t substantiate it. Some Yoruba leaders told us that some of our leaders had sold the struggle by accepting money. Some of us did not believe that such thing happened but it actually happened in 1998.

We realized within three weeks, there were series of meetings, after then, a Pan-Yoruba congress in Ibadan after which a communiqué was issued that the Yorubas should join politics. So, those who gave us the information, predicted accurately.

Everything changed, nobody talked about Abiola’s death and the June 12 struggle; all of a sudden, the tempo of the struggle died down.

I am not happy about the whole issue. On the OPC crisis, we investigated and discovered that some leaders were indeed responsible for the split because they believed we were becoming too radical in Yoruba land. We decided not to join politics because we were betrayed owing to fact that we refused to join politics.

What is your view on the activities of the Boko Haram sect in Northern Nigeria?
Activities of the sect have not only political undertone, but religious undertone. In a situation where they have been bombing various parts of the country shows that nowhere in the country is safe. If care is not taken, they may get out of hand. So far, they have not issued any statement, unlike MEND, which is more organized in their activities.

We know what MEND was after, they wanted resource control and restructuring of the nation; unlike Boko Haram, they are yet to come out with their demands, they are not progressive.

To me, their position is sectional and I don’t believe it soothes our position in the South west because they have been killing Yorubas living in the north. The consequence of Boko Haram’s activities is that foreign investors may no longer come to Nigeria because anything that happens in Nigeria will be reflected in the international media. If care is not taken, Nigeria may be branded a terrorist nation.

Some people have been canvassing that just as the amnesty package was given to Niger Delta militants, the same should be extended to the Boko Haram sect. Do you subscribe to this?

I don’t believe the amnesty package will work for Boko Haram. Boko Haram is a religious sect; there is no ideology behind it because their crisis has religious and political undertone in it. How much will they be given compared to the funding they get from the Middle East, it is possible they might have connection with al-Qaeda. To tackle it, there is need for government to take a different approach, but to grant amnesty, it won’t work.

What is your take on the proposed six years single term for governors and president?

In my opinion, it is the best thing that can happen to our democracy. I don’t know the content of the bill. I believe that the six year term will reduce corruption in this country because a governor will not have it in mind to loot the treasury when he gets there, he will be determined to work.

It will also give room for improvement on the part of the governor; it will give more power to the party than the governor because the party will be stronger. Also, a six years term will strengthen our democracy and it will reduce corruption.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/08/mko-abiola-some-yoruba-leaders-were-bribed-gani-adams/

gidson12:
^^i wasn't refering to your statement as tribalistic, i was only pointing out the OP 's error for branding the man an ibo,,

oh

my mistake if u were refering to afanna

Freewilly:
You are such a woman wrapper,

You've chased all the girls on this forum

Me woman wrapper

na only you i know for this forum. No one else

gidson12:
kai! see wetin tribalism dey cos

how is it tribalism

the name is used by edo and urhobo people as well

so he asked, Is Okpere an igbo names? ( only igbos use it)

Freewilly:
Maybe if you get to know us better you won't hate us as much

How is ogbomoso like sweetheart

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=729980.msg8884630#msg8884630 date=1312874570]There is nothing bad in Igbo commisioner since its an aldinary appointment not a key post and he can be sack at anytime[/quote]if there is nothing bad in it so why complain

when we aworis were saying No, other yorubas were saying asiwaju asiwaju

No yawa don gas u na dey complain

if tomorrow an Igbo contest in lagos, and he wins nothing would happen

he would rule and rule until u people get your acts right again

Personally i don't care who rules so long as he has adopted the language, culture etc and he is competent then I a alright with it be it igbo or not

texazzpete:
Out of curiosity, let me ask you this question; does ANYONE out there love you?

chai, LOL

u for no reply am na

let him hate. Love would always conquer Hate anytime anyday

so lets give him love

@ Hollandis

WE YORUBAS LOVE YOU

would u marry me

happy for the man

God his truly blessed you.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=729980.msg8884571#msg8884571 date=1312873817]any yoruba man that voted for ibo/hausa in yoruba land will be consider as bastard[/quote]why would he be considered a bastard ?

which means tinubu and fashola are both bastards for putting an igbo commissioner there, isn't it !

this people do not like yorubas, yet you decided to put an igbo commissioner in lagos, All hail tinubu

how dumb!! even I as an indigene of lagos feels disgusted at the event

yet you people (other yorubas) would defend tinubu with everything . rubbish

[quote author=Yeske! link=topic=729980.msg8884250#msg8884250 date=1312865551]Imagin the majority of yorubas from other states being disenfranchised in Lagos because they are not indigenous and the < 10%(indigenous Lagosians) being governors. It is so undemocraticImagin the majority of yorubas from other states being disenfranchised in Lagos because they are not indigenous and the < 10%(indigenous Lagosians) being governors. It is so undemocratic[/quote]did we aworis complain what is you peoples problem

yes other yorubas are ruling us, did we complain to you

you people should stop acting silly.ok

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=729980.msg8884542#msg8884542 date=1312873026]Hmmmm well am not sure this is Gonna work waiting for igbo or hausa man to be Governor of oyo,Osun,ogun and ekiti that will never possible lailai at worst we will not rent our house to them so make dem go dey liv for street[/quote]what do you mean, why can't they rule if they are qualified to do so

rubbish

Bliss4Lyfe:
Fool, Okoye is the name of their victim, the lady that was violated. Perhaps u need reading lessons.

so there are no igbo police men in lagos again before you concluded they are yorubas

how swallow are you?