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Because kanayo have achieve more for nigerian than Fashola

any problem with that ?

Aigbofa:
Because Ojukwu lived, 2 million ibos died. And they still consider him their hero? I don't get it!

He had the power to stop the war and extract huge concessions from the FG, nope! He gambled all and lost all.

End of story.

Thank you

this people don't still understand and I don't think they would ever

I have always thought to myself as an Igbo man and think why I would consider Ojukwu a hero and I reached a conclusion which any truthful igbo would agree with me unless they want to lie

they consider Ojukwu as a hero just because the North and West have there hero, thus they must have one as well.

If you notice, they ALWAYS try to down grade Awolowo, Saro wiwa, Bello, Danjuma and co but if you ask them for a comparison, they have none to prove other than Insults and how he save them from northerners and the Yoruba people

but it is sad that at the end of the say, it was this same northerners and Yarigba people that save them from Ojukwus madness.

thus Ojukwu had slaughter 2 million Baifrans

They should ask why Effiong and Ojuwku were not in good terms before he died ?

SMH

Pukkah:
[b]So who is the tribalist? Who are those that see only tribalism in every criticism? Can Nigeria develop like this?  Apart from the Reps calling for Obasanjo's impeachment on grounds of inept and corrupt leadership, Gani Fawehinmi also did during the Transcorp shares saga. So many other critics, even from Obasanjo's geo-political zone, put him under intense pressure. How many of you called it tribalism?

Why don't you guys face the real issues instead of saying something like 'because XYZ did not happen during Obasanjo's era, it should not happen in Jonathan's time'.  Isn't this mediocrity at its best and tribalism at its height? Should we wait for thousands to die again (like in the previous era) before calling for Jonathan's head? What manner of analogy is this? Is the country moving forward or backward? Do we learn from experience at all? Do you realize that you may be setting a dangerous precedent?

I don't care about where Jonathan comes from, all I want from him is good governance because his ability or inability to provide it affects my life. Simple. Nobody, I repeat, nobody can muzzle the inalienable right I have under the constitution to demand for good governance. Do you really think that I want Jonathan to fail? Why should I want someone whose success will positively affect my life to fail?

For Nigeria to move forward and reclaim its lost grounds, Nigerians (especially the elite and the educated) must demand for good governance from their leaders regardless of their tribe, religion, or other idiosyncrasies. Enough is enough.

GOD BLESS YOU SIR

Tell this people that have this primitive minds of theirs. Thank you sir

you have said it all, now watch as how beaf would come and attack you

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=805474.msg9579423#msg9579423 date=1321553220]Ok, bye and ola baba tunde ni ni to you too. [/quote]what ?

Aru o naaya gị? jk

Dawgpound:
@Alj, respecting some1 does not mean u can't point out their sins. Yes Saro committed his sins against us in the East. He apologized in Enugu right in front of Ojukwu and Ohaneze. Are u ignorant of that? Saro did well for the Ogoni in the 90s but was still accused of murder by fellow Ogonis and was tried and wrongfully executed. His death taught us that its not good to gloat and benefit from injustices meted against others because it might come back to haunt you and it did happen to Wiwa. You are trying too hard to pit Easterners against eachother but it won't happen.  
We have gotten smarter.

I also blame the condition of the Ogoni on Wiwa's blunders for the fact that he failed to realize that the Igbo were not his problem during the 60s. Whatever issue he had with them were so personal it had nothing to do with Igbo or Ogoni. He schooled in Igbo land and was even the school prefect @ a point. Whatever issue Easterners had with each other @ that time was so not worth letting Nigerians divide us. We the younger generation are learning that bitter lesson Alj.

I blame Easterners like Azikiwe, Asika, Adaka, Wiwa and others who believed in One Nigeria for our predicament.

Are you trying to tell me that you from a DIFFERENT ETHNIC STOCK want a country where there is ONE MAJORITY ?

and you expect me to believe that ?

Even Jason and Kpogede  would want bendel country first before odudua. not to talk of you

Why don't you want Ogoni country ? Why baifra that the Ijaws fought and others fought against ?

and still you expect me to believe that  

there is not pitching against anything, the case of easterners is a microbial way of looking at Nigeria.

The so called eastern Nigeria is made up of a number of distinct NATIONS and there is no banding force.

as such expect to see genocide on a massive scale. Take a look at southern cameroon that seceded left the eastern Nigeria back in the 1940s or so, take a look at them, genocide even till today. would that not have been the same faith for baifra ?

Saro wiwa fought for the emicipation of Ogoni from Nigeria, you an Ogoni man want Baifra even when the so called eastern Nigeria did not allow Niger-delta republic to happen ?

I really find it funny.

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=805474.msg9579294#msg9579294 date=1321551978]Here you go again trying to give a yoruba man props.[/quote]LOL I see where the problem is. It is just a shame that at this age and time, each group is showing animosity against the other. Very sad.

well chyz here is where I would leave this thread

anyway nwanne chyz I would like to leave you with something

cheghari mmehie gi

bilymuse:
If some people can be clapping and cheering while the security agents are being attacked, then FG is in serious trouble. It simply means Boko Haram has a wide grassroots support.

Or simply means those people clapping and cheering are not northerners but Boko haram outsiders

Dawgpound:
Alj Harem, throwing [size=16pt]Saro Wiwa's sins[/size] against the Igbo and Biafrans @ my face is just not going to work because he came back and apologized. The Ogoni don't even own any part of PH so what concerns us with Ikwerre, Igbo and Ijo ppl? Ogoni ppl did not take properties from Igbo ppl. [size=16pt]Saro Wiwa is just 1 Ogoni man and his actions can't be used against us[/size]. We are not responsible for whatever he did. Kobani and Kogbara were both Ogoni and fought for Biafra just like my family stood for Biafra so please FALL BACK. I have had this discussion with Igbos who think the Ogoni as a people fought against Biafra. [size=16pt]All Eastern minorities should not be branded anti-Biafra due to actions of Adaka an Ijaw Boro or Wiwa an Ogoni.[/size]

[b]As for your Boko Haram loving Kanuri brothers allegedly getting killed @ the mosque, it your responsibility to seek justice for them not mine. I am not Kanuri neither did I even have knowledge of poor Kanuri people getting oppressed by the army who are majority Hausa-Fulani and Kanuri. [/b]If in your culture its okay to slaughter humans and move on then that's just your problem. In my culture we speak up against injustice. Jews, Armenians are still seeking justice. Jews in particular have gone as far as hunting former Nazis physically so what is wrong about us.

The men who killed, maimed and destroyed Ogoni land must be brought to book and made to pay.

Igbos, Efik, Annang, Ijaw, also owe it to themselves to do the same.

You don't think I'm Ogoni? LOL! No I am Tiv.

Really I feel sorry for you, Saro wiwa's SINS. HOW A well respected Ogoni Icon till today and even in port Harcourt the Ogoni I have meant respect this man to bits and yet you are rubbishing him for all he fought for. WHEN DID SARO WIWA APOLOGISE I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TELL ME.

I brought out a letter he wrote in his house just before he was taken and you are posting that he apologise. WHERE AND WHAT DAY ?

The military is [size=20pt]NOT[/size] ethnically biased to ANY GROUP or any ethnic group. it sole alliance is to NIGERIA REGARDLESS OF THE ETHNIC NATIONALITY. Just so you know, we know of some Igbos that fought against Baifra,, Issac boro and Ijaw man, etc

The Military is not controlled or predominately Hausa/fulani/kanuri but Middle belters like Tiv, idoma, berom, nupe, igala along side South-south people.

the Military heads are a different issue which the Igbos control the Navy, the yorubas air force and the Hausa infantory

that is the way it is divided.

In terms of Military personal, The Middle belt and South-south people are more than 70% of the Nigerian military. Ask anyone that is in the army.

NRI PRIEST:
And now they want Orinmili state after settling in our land and we didnt give them any trouble. Let me see how this Orinmili bull crap settles.

LOL

You people are very funny I must admit

So you called those that have lived and found a place settlers ?even after establishing a monarchy ? and bare names which are igbos

Are they not equals as well ? What is the difference between an Oka man and an Onicha man in the same anambra ?

Only that one claims to come from benin and the other Nri, and so ? LIVE AND LET LIVE is the attitude to life.

If they like let them form Orinmili state in 200 places,our people say Igbo bu Igbo, aka Igbo is Igbo whether from Ijaw or from Benin. Uche from Onicha is not different from Uche from Oka or nnewi.

Moreover was it not the same thing your leader Mr benjamin Nwokaturuocha was asking for in fastec state ? Did Igbos not settle in lagos ?
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-717425.0.html

You see life is like a boomerang. Once you throw it to someone else, it would hit you back.

I really hope you take Jason's post to you earlier to heart. It would go a long way

I am sure if I did not talk of the massacre of Kanuri muslims in the Mosque by the military, NO ONE WOULD KNOW OR EVEN ASK

the innocent people praying were killed just because they were muslims

Yet I don't see people documenting this facts

how sad naija

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=805474.msg9577800#msg9577800 date=1321540485]Odi was not a military invasion like lagos in 1960,1996, or 2000. there was no ethnic cleasing of a people during those "invasions" unlike in Odi. If what you are saying was the case we would have been hearing of it even till this day like we do the '66 pogroms in the north, massacres against Biafra civilians(although the Nigerians said they were nigerians and are not the same as the Biafran rebels ), Odi, and Zaki Biam.

The arrest of yoruba leaders and their political thugs(OPC) was not a massacre at all.  Can't even believe you'd even bring that up.[/quote]Just because the west don't cry and shout does not mean it massacres don't happen there.

Odi was a military invasion ordered back then
http://www.waado.org/environment/fedgovt_nigerdelta/bayelsainvasion/AssessmentOfInvasion/AssessmentsOfDestructionOfOdi.html

It was done to reduce the protest of the militants which were about to erupt from the region called Balysea.

Yoruba massacre YES IT HAPPENED AND HOW WOULD YOU KNOW, IGBOS AND OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS RAN TO THERE VARIOUS REGION BACK

THE HAUSA AND OTHER WENT TO THE NORTH AND THE IGBOS AND OTHER WENT TO THE EAST.

it happened 1960, 1996 or so, 2000 by OBJ

in fact there was a protest of which the military was shoting straight at people in Lagos close to Okobaba

Dawgpound:
Alj, stop spreading falsehood.

oh i am spreading falsehood ?

You claim the easterners are killed in the west and north but I showed you it happened to every region and still happening till date.

How many easterners have been killed within the years 1990 to 2011 when compared to the westerners and northerners ?

just a month ago, 100 kanuri people were killed in the Mosque while they were praying to Allah for mercy and joy in this country Nigeria. Yet it is the easterners we all should focus on ?

That is why ignorant mumu's like Nayah and co would think the easterners are the only victims of the military era, not knowing that others are being killed daily in other regions as well.

Do you know of the Oyingbo masacre of the yorubas ?

Do you know of the Maiduguri massacre of the kanuris ?

Do you know of the Jos massacre of the hausas ?

Do you know of Ziam massacre of the Tiv ?

Do you know of the Warri massacre of the Itsekiris ?

Do you know of the bini, esan etc massacre in present day edo state

Do you know of the Yoruba massacre in the Island by the military during the protest of june 12

I can keep going on and on.

Now what do you know about baifra war ? I HIGHLY DOUBT IF YOU ARE OGONI

The one of the Ogoni nationalist and respected till today Saro wiwa NEVER SUPPORTED BAIFRA, only for an anonymous person like you claim ogoni and support baifra.

In fact Saro Wiwa was an AWOIST. YES THAT IS RIGHT AWOIST

http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/articles/Awo%20and%20the%20Creation%20of%20States.htm

Again what do you know of baifra I ask ?

Issac boro was A nigerian military man, and he blocked the easterners from access to sea but of course they would blame awo because he said it is a legitimate weapon of war. I mean how can a finicial minister order the militray or cause a blockade . I dey laff o

TILL TODAY, THE SAME IJAWS, OGONI, IKWERRE ETC HAVE BLOCKED THE IGBOS FROM ACCESSING TO SEA.Quote me on this.

Abandon properties after the war nko.

Ojukwu and other Igbos and baifran people came to lagos and meant there children (under the yoruba care) intact and well educated.

Properties were given to igbos back in the north and West, did the same happen in port harcourt ?

Igbos and baifrans welcomed to lagos back by Awolowo

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1967/07/22/FS220767100/?s=lagos+baifra+ojukwu&st=0&pn=3

what else do you want from the people you committed ethnic cleasing on ?

WHAT ELSE ? after the death of the grand son of USMAN DAN FODIO ?

what else after the gloating of killing leaders of the west and northern Nigeria with a yoruba leaber unborn baby which was killed as well

Abeg go siddon jor, the thing dey vex me as una dey talk rubbish/ post rubbish

always revisiting the past that was created by them. WHY

can't we move forward ? Yet you would shout Igbo presidency. How is this possible if we the people that would vote know there is such bitterness in your hearts . I mean think of it

We all know that even after the igbo presidency you people would gloat and do other silly things, but we are ready to take one for the team Nigeria. So chill with this baifra rubbish been posted on this site every day and watch and pray for Nigeria to grow in the North, west and east. We all should work together. HABA

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my bad, i would edit it now, edit ur comment to remove the ethic group

Why not talk of northerners being mmassared in the north as well ? Why the east alone ?


[size=27pt]Nigeria Storms Mosque, Killing More Than 100 Northern muslims in borno[/size]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/30/nigeria-storms-mosque-kil_n_247622.html

https://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/2217/slide_2217_28613_large.jpg

Northerners recieve death treats

http://odili.net/news/source/2011/sep/20/820.html

Northern Mulsims killed in Asaba and flee to baracks

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/polls-violence-northerners-in-onitsha-flee-to-asaba-army-barracks/89960/

Odi was a military invasion just like what happened in Lagos in 1960, 1996 and 2000 so why not talk of the crime against humanity in the western Nigeria as well ?

in 1960, Nnamdi Azikwe orderd the arrest of Awolowo, in the process killing and victimizing the yoruba people in Lagos

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1962/11/13/FS131162001/?s=awolowo+arrest&st=0&pn=1

In 1996, Abubakar' ordered the arrest of yoruba leaders and sent the military to the SW region of Nigeria.

THE MASSACRE OF OODUA YOUTHS: THE CONTINUING GENOCIDE, WILL IT EVER END?

Congress, had just finished a meeting in a private home in Somolu, Bariga,
when they were accosted by men of "Operation Sweep" a Lagos- based
organization set up by Abacha to implement Abacha's policy of ethnic
cleansing of the Yorubas

http://www.reocities.com/CapitolHill/lobby/5144/massacre.htm

OBJ KILLING OF YORUBAS, aka military invasion and locked up OPC leader gani adams for 2 years

I am coming back to the north

[size=27pt]The Forceful Invasion And Massacar Of The Mid-westerners By Biafrans And Ojukwu[/color][/size]

The Gathering Storm.

As far back as April 6th, 1967 almost two months before the proclamation of secession, special branch police reports had alerted the federal government of certain activities that were to take on significance later (10). Two officers from the eastern region, (Lt. Col. Ude and Major Obioha) were in contact with some of their counterparts in the Midwest to make arrangements for the possible occupation of the Midwest by troops from the Eastern Area Command. The pretext would be that the Midwest was not strong enough to defend itself and that Midwest Ibos needed protection. This occupation was to be coordinated with a simultaneous seizure of the Western region, which (according to the report) was why some individuals (presumably Ojukwu, Awolowo and Adebayo) were advocating that "northern" troops leave that region.

Outright molestation, harassment and killing of non-Ibo civilians occurred on a daily basis. At night "suspected saboteurs" were fished out of their homes and arrested. The Hausa community in the Lagos street area of Benin and other parts of the state were targeted for particularly savage treatment, in part a reprisal for the pogroms of 1966, but also out of security concerns that they would naturally harbor sympathies for the regime in Lagos. But non-Hausas were just as badly treated. And as the hostility of the local population became more intense, so did the degree of indiscrete brutality for "internal security". Non-Ibo alumni of St. Patrick's College, Asaba and Government College, Ughelli, found to their chagrin that old school ties meant nothing in the new dispensation (17).

Radio broadcasts "educated" the public about the role of 'gallant' Biafran troops who had only come to liberate them from the "bondage of the feudal Hausa-Fulani oligarchy". An economic cooperation agreement was announced between the 'independent' states of Biafra and the Midwest. The truth, though, was that Ojukwu retained authority to approve all expenditures made by the Okonkwo regime and it was not until September 13th that normal postal, telephone and telegraphic services between Biafra and the Midwest were resumed (15). Counter-propaganda was indeed launched by federal radio, which appealed to the citizens of the state for loyalty and cooperation.

In this atmosphere, civil resistance and disobedience germinated, predominantly among non-Ibos. But a few Midwest Ibo-speaking soldiers and civilians did become leery about the invasion and felt the 'interference' from "across the Niger" was getting out of hand. On the other side of this opinion divide was the powerful, so-called "Enugu clique", eager to share in the destiny of the corporate Ibo nation (14). Such ambiguous sensitivities and antipathies within and between "western" and "eastern" Ibos have always existed. Long after the civil war, for example, it even affected negotiations about the creation of a proposed anioma state

[color=#990000]There are undoubtedly some historians (10) who see similarities between Ojukwu's invasion of the Midwest and Hitler's March 1938 march into Austria (the Anchsluss) following which he secured the annexation of Sudetenland in September (23). I think we can infer additional reasons, based on the operational and political details of the campaign, seen in light of the Nigerian situation at that time.

you can read more here

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-714801.0.html

otokx:
Why should a married woman stay away from her family? Our culture is being gradually eroded and degraded by western influence.

Thank you, all because of Job and money.

I have not heard of sure before. Nigerian women are really losing there ways aka "Independent woman". I must admit

Abagworo:
You seem not to understand the reason for my post.I just quoted an Ebonyi Nairalander.If you go through that thread you will notice a sense of distinctness on the part of Ebonyi and Anambra.For example an Ebonyi man could never have been a Governor when they were part of Anambra but an Ebonyi man was the 1st governor of Abia.That shows a sense of oneness between Ebonyi and Abia which they do not share with Anambra.They do not see Imo or Abia as oppressors.


This was exactly the same with Ikwerre in Rivers until they felt liberated with the war opportunity.

Why I am worried about this is because I often encounter Igbos making derogatory statement of other Igbos and feeling cool with it.I have been with them swearing that an Igbo from another State will never be a President, instead there will never be Igbo President. I'm not talking about Nairaland but real life issues.

LOL, if you think it is particular to Igbos then you must be joking.

I am yet to see any group in Nigeria that does not exhibit those trace.

Abagworo, I think it is something you cannot take away, Rather instead of talking to your friends about Igbos presidency and the state it should come from. I think you and others be it Imolites, Abia etc should all just give the other the ego right they want.

the polls would speak for themselves, isn't it ?

The greatest threat to freedom is the absence of criticism.
Wole Soyinka


Words,

And gradually they're beginning to recognize the fact that there's nothing more secure than a democratic, accountable, and participatory form of government. But it's sunk in only theoretically, it has not yet sunk in completely in practical terms.
Wole Soyinka

And I believe that the best learning process of any kind of craft is just to look at the work of others.
Wole Soyinka

Books and all forms of writing are terror to those who wish to suppress the truth.
Wole Soyinka

They have not always elected the best leaders, particularly after a long period in which they have not used this facility of free election. You tend to lose the habit.
Chinua Achebe

When old people speak it is not because of the sweetness of words in our mouths; it is because we see something which you do not see.
Chinua Achebe

The damage done in one year can sometimes take ten or twenty years to repair.
Chinua Achebe

A man who makes trouble for others is also making trouble for himself.
Chinua Achebe

Corruption, the greatest single bane of our society today.
Olusegun Obasanjo

lucenzo:
why is ftranger wishing the Prof a happy birthday? silly boy

Why are you calling him a silly boy ?

Why can't he wish Achebe a good birthday wish ?

asha 80:
when did he say that?

The letter he wrote just before he was taken from ogoniland present day rivers state

http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/articles/Awo%20and%20the%20Creation%20of%20States.htm

called the blank of disaster 1991, in his home

How I wish Awo were still alive! He would have understood. He knew the country well! - Ken Saro Wiwa

I accuse Shell and Chevron of practising racism against the Ogoni people because they do in Ogoni what they do not do in other parts of the world where they prospect for oil. I accuse the oil companies of encouraging genocide against the Ogoni people, The profits from oil come to Britain because it is their technology that is keeping Nigerian oil going. So they have a moral responsibility to intervene, My mission has been to inform the West of the truth of what is happening in Nigeria, which has been hidden from them. I believe if people knew they’d do something about it and stop this robbery and murder that is going on in broad daylight.

— Ken Saro-Wiwa

"I am more dangerous dead" - Ken Saro Wiwa

"Violence never settles anything right: apart from injuring your own soul, it injures the best cause. It lingers on long after the object of hate has disappeared from the scene to plague the lives of those who have employed it against their foes" - Awolowo

Words and very correct sir. I wish people can learn from this man

“The only thing we have learnt from experience is that we learn nothing from experience.” – Chinua Achebe

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