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They want to be deceived even by thieves and robbers who call themselves mog

https://www.nairaland.com/960200/christians-worship-zeus-christ-all

I wonder what the market size is for the importation of olive oil into Nigeria.

Origin of Gobirawa and their tribal marks


Written by Sadiq Aliyu Saturday, 21 November 2009 23:27

Origin: According to Alhaji Abdulhamid Balarabe Salihu, the present Sarkin Gobir, Gobirawa migrated from Misira, the present day Egypt. He said they were descendants of prophet Nuhu (Noah) and they left Egypt in protest of the harsh leadership style of the then Pharaoh and went to Gubur where they probably got the name – Gobirawa.
They later moved to Yemen where they waged war against their host community and were victorious. He said war was part of their life style as they were very brave warriors and whenever they conquered a place, they migrated to another until when they reached Libya. From there they also continued moving west ward into Sahara desert and founded a town called Azbin, now dominated by Tuaregs. During that period Azbinawa were scattered but they requested Gobirawa to hand over Azbin to them whenever they were leaving. They left Azbin and advanced westward again in to Sahara and founded another town called Magali, and later Surukal all in Niger Republic. After a short while they continued migrating until when they reached Birnin Lalle and Gwararramu parts of which are now in Nigeria and Niger Republic. Between 15th to 16th century during the period of Sarkin Zamfara, Abarshi whose capital was situated at Katanga, he married one of the Sarkin Gobir`s daughters called Fara who gave birth to Ibrahim Babari who later became Sarkin Gobir. Before he ascended the throne, he engaged Sarkin Zamfara in a war of wits and charms and he over powered him. As a result of that Sarkin Zamfara became scared of Babari and wanted to harm him in retaliation, but his elder sister returned him back home and was made Sarkin Gobir. Babari however begged Sarkin Zamfara to give him some land to settle but people warned Sarkin Zamfara not to allow Gobirawa to settle within his territory because they would later occupy the entire land. However, war ensued between them later and Gobirawa defeated Sarkin Zamfara and occupied Alkalawa, around 16th to 17th century.

War-like nature of Gobirawa: Every tribe in black Africa has its peculiar nature for which it is identified. Gobirawa are known for brevity, dexterity and show of manliness. They are steadfast and more often than not, don’t tolerate any slightest provocation. Sarkin Gobir Abdulhamid explained that during the famous Bawa Jan Gwarzo who ruled Gobir around 17th century, it was reported that even O’cock didn’t crow at all because of the spiritual powers he possessed. Throughout the series of wars they fought, Gobirawa had never surrendered even when they were over powered. They would rather die in the battle field than to retreat. An average Bagobiri believes in victory in whatever fight or conflict he finds himself; and that is why in a popular Hausa expression the land of Gobir is jokingly referred to Gobir gidan fada – meaning house of trouble or fighting.

According to Sarkin Gobir Abdulhamid, Bawa Jan Gwarzo never actually engaged Usman Danfodiyo in war when he settled at Akalawa. As a matter of fact Danfodiyo even taught the children of Bawa which included Yunfa, Atiku, Bello and Mayaki. It was reported that Danfodiyo even admonished them not to engage in any conflict among them. However, Sarkin Gobir averred that it were people close to them that ignited trouble between Bawa and Danfodiyo as a result of which Danfodiyo left Alkalawa and continued with his Jihad movement in other parts of Sokoto Caliphate.

Tribal marks: Alhaji Abdulhamid who is the 390th Sarkin Gobir, said originally, Gobirawa had no tribal marks but because of the series of wars they engaged in and their migratory trend, they formed their unique tribal marks for identification, so that wherever they go, they could easily identify themselves. He said whenever they wanted to migrate they went along with their kins and kith, without leaving behind any of their own. Another reason was that during inter tribal wars Gobirawa used tribal marks to identify their people so that they would not be attacked.

Even in the present time that such wars are over, Gobirawa still maintain the tradition of cutting marks on their face without minding whether it would deform the facial appearance or not. The marks are cut on a baby`s cheeks when it is seven days old, that is on the day of its naming ceremony. But with time, it is now done after two weeks when the child might have a bit strength to withstand the pain. The marks are carefully patterned so as to differentiate them from others that look similar like that of Kabawa in Kebbi State, Zamfarawa of Zamfara and Barebari of Borno. The tribal marks of Gobirawa contain seven lines on the right cheek and six on the left, while in some cases, they only make one single cut on both cheeks, and any body who knows Gobirawa would easily identify such people as one. But in the case of Kabawa, Zamfarawa and Barebari, their own have much more number of lines than that of Gobirawa.

Relationship of Gobirawa with Yorubas: According to Sarkin Gobir Abdulhamid, the relationship between them and Yorubas dated back to the period of Bawa Jan Gwarzo who gave out his daughter for marriage to a Yoruba man during the Jihad movement. He said when Jan Gwarzo advanced to Yoruba land with the mission to conquer the west, the Yoruba opted for truce rather than to engage him in a war and submitted themselves to him. As a result of that cordial relationship between them ensued and they requested him to give them one his daughters for marriage which he did. In accordance with Hausa culture which Gobirawa practice, there is always a traditional joke between cousins, as such, Gobirawa regard the Yoruba as cousins because they believed that Yoruba were begotten by the daughter of Bawa Jan Gwarzo.

http://sundaytrust.com.ng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1998:origin-of-gobirawa-and-their-tribal-marks&catid=44:feature&Itemid=135

From Alhaji Abdulhamid Balarabe Salihu’s account of Gobirawa history, my take is that:
(1) Nuhu is not Noah but Nahor – Genesis 11:24 or 26
(2) the said relationship between the Yoruba and the Gobirawa as cousins after the king of the latter gave out his daughter in marriage to the king of the former is similar to the Biblical account in Genesis 24 of Abraham’s son Isaac marrying Rebecca his cousin and descendant of Nahor.
(3) since the Hausa are descended from the Biblical Assyrians it might be possible that the word ‘Hausa’ is etymologically related to Assur/Assyria.
(4) further evidence of the relationship between the Yoruba and Hausa can be seen in a comparison of names of Hausa peoples with the Yoruba progenitor
(i) Gobir – Gobira[b]wa[/b]
(ii) Azbin – Azbina[b]wa[/b]
(iii) – Alkala[b]wa[/b]
(iv) Zamfara – Zamfara[b]wa[/b]
(vi) Hausa – Hausa[b]wa[/b]
(v) Odu? Odudu? Dudu? – Odudu[b]wa[/b] (this should also prove useful in unraveling the actual meaning of ‘Oduduwa’; perhaps the wa in the name does not directly translate to character)

If it was not staged but actually true, the reason is clear:

Mark 16:17. “But these signs will accompany these who believe: in my name they will cast out demons, and they will speak in new languages.”

Christians call upon another name which has never been HIS!

https://www.nairaland.com/960200/christians-worship-zeus-christ-all

They have been plagiarizing our history (the biggest 419 scam in the world) and their society is built on the sweat, toil and blood of our people.

Kindly check my post again and you would see that I asked a question rather than called you names.

Billyonaire: How can we say we practice American styled democracy and we keep figure heads called Obas around and their opinions count. I say we abolish these Obas and declare them irrelevant in a democracy.....

The Obas are not figureheads (Jeremiah 22:24)and the "American-styled democracy" will soon be abolished. Are you a money-loving oyinbo-wanna-be who hates his heritage and himself?

One thing I admire about the Edo monarchy is that the demeanor of the Oba is enough to command respect among men.

Recently I have considered the rites and dressmode of Christendom and noted that the Apostles and priests of the Temple would never have done such. Then I came across the following quote at this link:

"VATICAN PRIESTS FOLLOW THE TRADITION OF THE CULT OF CYBELE (PRIESTS CAN'T MARRY), BACCHUS (SHAVING OF HEAD), POPE WEARS MITRE FISH-CAP OF DAGON, AND CATHOLICISM INCORPORATES THE BABYLONIAN 'MYSTERY SYTEM' RELIGION!"

christemmbassey: 1. D names differs because one is old n d other is new, .even a fool should know dat. d old testamend is about Adam n d result of his deeds Gen 3, Rm5:15-21. Its about how God choose Isreal among d nations of d world as His ppl, how they failed God n how God decided 2 do away with dat arrangements (covenant) CHRISTIANS r d new nation(ppl) 1Peter2:9 dat God Has choosen(new covenant) so u must v new names because its about new ppl. U r quoting d new testament scriptures which is christianity. Don't u knw dat without christianity there is no new testament?.how do u quote what u don't believe? Now in Christianity there is nothing like black, white etc. No cross of what ever shape n none of all those ur canal confusions. About diff interpretations of d Bible by diff denom read Eph4:7-16. Finally u can't understand d bible n christianity except u r a christian dat is when u will v d grace tro d Holy Spirit 2 understand, it is tro revelation not by reading satan inspired books n web posts. I believe God will help u. B blessed.

In the Peshitta Bible versions used in many orthodox churches the names in the old and new testaments are the same, and the same peoples/cultures of the Old Testament continued into the new testament. Christians are not the new nation: (1) Eshu's people were already chosen but those who don't believe will be cast out where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth; (2) the Gentiles who have acknowledged that their ancestors inherited lies and worshiped idols, but repented and worshiped Eshu will be joined to Eshu's kingdom (Jeremiah 16:19-21 ), a glimpse of this can be seen in the annual Ifa (transliterated in the Bible as Ephod) festival. Ephesians 4:7-16 is not about different interpretations but about working together as one, or do you believe that the Holy Spirit can teach/reveal different versions? Furthermore, I've read the Bible but you claimed that I have been "reading satan inspired books and web posts"; is the Bible satan inspired?

Overall, you scored 0/12.

sweetcheecks: You are hopeless, you have even confused yourself. You need Christ, the Reedemer, Master, Teacher, Son of The Most High, Word, Lord Himself not all the name issues you desperatelly trying to attack Christainity with. The only way out of your hopeless situation. We are not hung up about issues of race for we have superceded the physical limitions to our Father we have a direct connection to Him becouse of Christ. Thus do not need peoples version of who Christ is is not, but we know Him and have personal relationships with Him.

The bible also says"1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. Please continue till verse 25 and hear, what God think of those who think they have the wordly wisdom. In my language Jesus is " Yesu" may He visit you at broad day light like He visited Paul, becouse once you meet Him you will never be the same again I declare in the Name that is above all Names Jesus Christ of Nazreth! May God save you after saving you Bless you! Amen

Is a lack of consistency your fruit?

christemmbassey: We r more concerned with d birth n d results of what Christ did n not with d variations of His first name. When we call Jesus Christ we know whom we mean, our SAVIOUR, MASTER, THE GOOD SHERPHERED.SON OF GOD, THE WORD, THE TRUTH, THE WAY, THE LIGHT, THE LIFE.. Etc

A person suffering from a strong delusion would believe strongly that h/she knows what h/she means.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/292991-overview

The fact that the people of the Middle East today who have been claiming that they are the descendants of Abraham, but are not, makes them liars. The Moslems, Christians and Jews who have each been claiming Israel as theirs have divided that land amongst themselves in fulfillment of various Bible prophecies e.g. Jeremiah 51:51; Lamentations 1:10; 2:7; 5:1-2; and Joel 3:2. Furthermore, Eshu preached peace (Luke 9:51-56) but these people who exhibit symptoms of schizophrenia use extreme violence and their punishment is well described in Isaiah 51:11.

Christianity presents a fake/counterfeit Son of God while Islam denies HIM, thus it can be said that the aim of the 3 religions is to disorientate the original peoples of that region and make them forget their home. These religions are the wine used by the Amorites to get people around the world drunk/retarded - Jeremiah 51:6-10.

Constantine claimed that he saw a vision in the sky of the cross and was told "in this sign you will conquer" (my opinion is that the story is a lie) and thereafter used that symbol to steal, kill and destroy, which so far has been the story of Christianity.

There are 12 questions in the original post and you have not provided any detailed response and analysis, other than a blanket dismissal, to show that they are devilish/disjointed/confused/misleading. If you do have understanding of the Bible, kindly help those of us that have seen the questions with their answers. If you can respond excellently to all it would be of tremendous benefit to 'baby' Christians, atheists, agnostics, etc. For ease of perusal I have repeated the questions here:


1)how is it that almost all the names in the New Testament are different from those in the Old Testament?
2)how is it that the names in the Peshitta Bible versions are different from Roman/Vatican/English/Western versions?
3)how is it that the symbol of the cross (cross of Tammuz) was not used by Israel, was never recorded in the Scriptures, is strange to the Yoruba/Ewe who are of Israel, while Constantine propagated it?
4)how is it that the true Israelites are blacks but the Christians have been led to believe that they have Amorite features?
5)what happened to all the blacks of the Levant including the Aegean/Egun people of Philistine, the Edomites/Edo of Idumea/Idu, the Jebusites/Jebus, and the people of Judah/Judaea/Whydah/Ida/Ouidah during the period of the Roman persecution [First (66-73 CE), Second (115-117 CE) and Third (132-135 CE) [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_wars]Jewish-Roman wars[/url] and the Samaritan Revolts of (484-572 CE), destruction of the second Temple in 70 CE] if not that the Greco-Romans massacred them?
6)which spirit do Christians call on when the Redeemer has mentioned clearly that He will gather back his scattered sheep and fill them with His Spirit?
7)why apparitions/visions, from Caucasians, of heaven, hell, Mary and the likes, are racist in that blacks and indigenous Negro names are not featured? (don’t blacks also go to heaven?). No wonder TuPac sang ‘I wonder if heaven got a ghetto’ – note that the posthumous producers of the video heavily added Zeus/Christian/deceptive elements to it.
how is it that Christians accepted the lie that Abraham and his descendants are white?
9)how is it that the spirits they hear from either during prophecy, prayer and otherwise have not told them, especially those who call themselves born again, what the Redeemer’s true name is (John 18:37)?
10)how is it that the spirits they hear from either during prophecy, prayer and otherwise have not taught them, especially those who call themselves born again, to properly understand the Bible (John 12:40)?
11)since there are so many Christian denominations with so many interpretations of the Bible, can there be more than one Holy Spirit?
12)what happened to the Israelite tribe of Dan in Revelations 7:4-8?

PEPSI: no answer ? lol Nigerians know absolutely nothing about their culture but they have knowledge about the spirit husband,strongman and all the info about Oyibo religion....lol !! A lost race !!

Kindly re-read the comments on the first page one more time.

christemmbassey: you r not a christian n don't understand it. Now how can u explain what u don't understand? Impossible! We do not follow Jesus, but JESUS CHRIST. U can only understand tro revelation knowledhe not tro some disjointed satan inspired web page. I v read most of ur posts n they all seems to sugest that u r on a mission. ARE U AN AGENT OF SATAN? or a simple ignorant guy looking 4 knowledge d wrong way? Now JESUS CHRIST IS THE Way, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, IN HIM IS HID ALL THE TREASURES OF WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE...Col 3.

1) Which is more of a cognate of and similar/exact etymology to Yeshua and Joshua/Jeshua? (a) Eshu (b) Jesus

2) Which group of people was the Rock of Ages referring to in Revelations 2:9 and 3:9 as the synagogue of Satan?

demonic apparitions/visions and the likes.
How is it that Negroes don't feature in such visions?
Don't Negroes go to heaven as well?
How is it that people with names like Sule, Tunde, Chinedu etc are not included in these visions?

The Greeks initially transliterated the name Eshu to Iesou and later replaced the latter with Iesous/IeZeus. Joshua is a deliberately deviant way of writing Eshu. Note that the Jews of Israel who are in fact the synagogue of satan (Revelations 2:9; 3:9) have admitted that they do not know how the Biblical Hebrew was pronounced and the reason is not far-fetched as they are not descendants of Jacob/Orion/Oranyan. The Moslems, Christians and Jews have divided that land amongst themselves (Lamentations 1:10; 2:7; 5:1-2; Joel 3:2). Similarly, Judaism was never practiced by the patriarchs as it is filled with lies and fake rituals.

Eshu had previously told his people that they would be plundered by the Greco-Romans and Western/Amorite/oyinbo peoples (Daniel 8; 11; Micah 5:1,3-4; Zechariah 13:7-9) and that when HE gathers HIS flock this present Israel and the surrounding areas will be desolate (Isaiah 25:7; 49:8,17,19; 54:1-3; 61:4Micah 7:13; Zephaniah 3:15). HE also said that other nations would return including Elam (Jeremiah 49:39), Moab (Jeremiah 48:47) and Ammon (Jeremiah 49:6).

Do not just read John 3:16 but from there to 3:18 and thereafter.

The Greco-Romans referred to Zeus as their saviour and are the ones who carried out a genocide of Negroes in that region.
http://www.sda-online.com/public/sixsixsix.htm


See this academic anthropology research article
http://dierklange.com/pdf/LOST_TRIBES_OF_ISRAEL.pdf

OK, thanks!

Isn't Christianity like a coffin and Islam the nail to seal it and bury Nigerians/Negroes?

Niflheim, it is like those that condemned your position want to perish. Any person that claims he has been ordained by God to to head Christians is probably a liar since God has already informed us that after gathering his presently scattered people he will give true shepherds (Jeremiah 3:14-15; 23:3-4). HE also tells us that when they return HE will fill them with HIS Spirit (Ezekiel 36:24-27), implying that those who speak in tongues after baptism in the name of JeZeus are under a strong delusion. Isn't such baptism in the name of Zeus equivalent to receiving the mark of the beast?

For a more detailed discussion of how those symbols have been used to steal, kill and destroy, I recommend reading the series at the following link (read with care!)

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/spirituality-connect-your-center/44291-panama-bible-8.html

What's the meaning of the "Built-in power supply" of the Mac mini? Battery?

nyameke: First of all the title of your thread is misleading and shd be changed...
Not all Christians worship the caucasian image of jesus..All right thinking Christians knows that the bible forbids the worshiping of images.. Also Most enlightened Christians know that the Israelites were dark skinned people and Yashua/jesus was dark skinned..

The real issue here should not be about the color of caucasians that brought the message.. The question is do you believe the message?
Yes there have been attempts to tamper with the message but know that real Christians are not worshipping or believe in any Zeus or Meuz or Moose lol bit the Messiah. The only one through whom salvation is possible..

Only Christians would be saved and it doesn't matter what color of race you are ..

The fact that those Amorites occupying the Middle East as Christians, Muslims and Jews today have been lying that they are the Biblical peoples means that their religions are fraudulent.

Joel 3:2. I will gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will execute judgment on them there for my people, and for my heritage, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations. They have divided my land,

Christianity is the wine Lucifer's people (white supremacists; see Isaiah 14:4-27) use to make Oduduwa's people, and blacks in general, drunk/senseless/morose/retarded. Any Negro that calls on JeZeus hates his Maker and himself.

According to the story, she was due to board a flight to Kenya, implying that the narcotic substance, ie methamphetamine was either prepared here in Nigeria or the the country was/is used as a transit point. Wasn't a methamphetamine factory somewhere in southern Nigeria busted within the last one year?

Those who have admitted here that they travel to and/or live in Dubai, are they not among the Nigerians who have been engaging in money laundering and fleecing our economy?

I recently read some portions of Johnson's book and noted that:

Asara (Terah) was a priest of Lamurudu (Nimrod) and had three sons. One of the three sons is known today to the Yoruba as Oduduwa (Abraham), and the other two, the kings of Gogobiri and Kukawa, are Nahor and Haran. Oduduwa, whose royal title was Ọlọfin, travelled to the land of Canaan where he met Agbọ-niregun (one of the appellations by which Ọrunmila is known to Ifa devotees) who taught Ifa to the former. It is believed that Ẹla’s (transliterated as El) first incarnation was as Ọrunmila.

Oduduwa had children but the heir was Ajaka (I suspect that Ọkanbi is an appellation pointing to such) who encountered lots of animosity as recorded in Genesis 26:12-13. Ajaka fathered a set of male twins, Ọranmiyan (Jacob) who became Ọlọyọ (king) of Ọyọ, and Ado (Edo/Edom) who became Alado (king) of Ado. Ọranmiyan, though the younger, inherited the land while the Ado/Edo was sent away (Genesis 36:6-7). Isẹdalẹ, the other name for Ado/Edo, is a compound name with the main part Isẹ corresponding to Esau.

The translations (insane?delusional?) by many that Edo(m) means red and Esau means hairy is only scratching the surface since irun is Yoruba for hair and pupa is red, hence the a closer look at the various ways the do and sẹ tones should prove useful in verifying the translations. There is no ‘m’ sound in Ado/Edo, which points to an error in using the root d-m to compare the names Adam and Edom.

Ngodigha1: Through inter-group relations, a lot of groups have borrowed words from one another. It is no big deal if you have yoruba words in itsekiri etc. But attempt to claim them is a foul play and shameless greed. In as much as those groups respect the yorubas, the yorubas should do same.
Thieves, enough is enough.

Foreign (not Yoruba) anthropologists noticed the similarities of both Yoruba and Igala languages and thought it convenient to classify both as Yoruboid. They could as well have used Igalaoid bit decided otherwise. Why did you not accuse them of bigotry, foul play, shameless greed and outright stupidity?

Did the Yoruba publish fake research articles and websites like these:
Ethnologue
WolframAlpha (click on sources)



How about you come up with proof of Itsekiri denying the Yoruba? The Yoruba have not even alluded to any other similarity in both cultures, yet you accuse the Yoruba. Have you become spokesperson of the Itsekiri?

Consider odumchi's advise.

Ngodigha1: I can't believe you are serious with this land-grabbers and tribalists here. What a joke. The thread itself is a joke. Do not be deceived, the Itsekiris, Igalas and Yorubas are not same, nor close. They are independent nations.Posters of yoruba origin are fond of claiming their neighbours. But it is wrong.

Using your metric, isn't this post of yours imbecilic? You have not shown which other Nigerian language, apart from Yoruba, is closer to Igala, nor have you provided any proof of your assertion that Yoruba and Itsekiri are not close despite the tons of evidence to the contrary.

The interpretations of the inscription and Trident symbol could be considered quite speculative since we don't have detailed pictures of the staff - I wonder why - and a part was broken off during a storm. We also need the versions of Oranmiyan/Yoruba history from Ile-Ife and other Yoruba domains instead of Oyo as I suspect the latter might have distorted/spun tales for political reasons.

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/spirituality-connect-your-center/8910-oranminyan-brotherhood.html

I've heard and read that the present Ile-Ife is the 8th. Where can I get stories about them? Are there any papers/essays/articles about the Ife version of Yoruba history as the popular ones from Oyo are, in my opinion, deliberately and insincerely skewed?

Asar Imhotep has offered a translation of Oduduwa as Spirit of Black Character.

Oduduwa (Olofin) had a son named Ajaka (cognate with Isaac) and 2 grandsons, one of whom is Oloyo also known as Oranyan and the other became the Alado or eponymous ancestor of the Edo people. The Alado, even though the elder, did not inherit the land. Rather, Oranyan did as he was loved more. Oduduwa met Agboniregun at Ile-Ife who taught the former Ifa. Agboniregun is Orunmila and Orunmila is Ela whose name is written/pronounced by many today as El. This is what I came up with after reading some portions of Johnson's book - The history of the Yorubas.

In the book 'Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible' Jacob is mentioned as having the epithet Orion attached to him. Orion is the Greek way of pronouncing/saying Oranyan which is short for Oranmiyan. I want to believe that Oduduwa is an epithet for Abraham, and that both Oranmiyan and Oduduwa appeared twice on the scene (I don't see why atunwa is not possible here, especially since each of us have specific tasks).

As for the chain, I have wondered if an individual with a special assignment from Olodumare descends from orun to aiye by holding on to the chain.