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agaugust: peace keeping in africa, records of history says Nigeria is a success, but South Africa is a military failure.

use all the insulting language in your dutch dictionary mr.white man, you CANNOT change history, your country South Africa is a BIG FAILURE

your anger against Nigeria's military power and war success will only give Y.ou H.igh B.lood pressure, go for check up in a hospital, you are S.lowly D.ying already....envy and hatred K.ills slowly

see a nigerian army woman soldier on duty in mali, she succeeds in the same role where south african soldier men failed and ran away with the speed of usain bolt 100m olympic champion. south african army is a disgrace to manhood, they should be castrated, they are NOT real men !

https://www.timesofoman.com/Siteimages/MynImages/dtl_12_4_2013_9_19_47.jpg

The peace in burrindie, sout sudan and SADC tell a diffrent tune. While nigeria it's self is a country in need of peace keepers.

homerac7: These South AFricans are the most foolishly obstinate eediots I have seen all my life. Ask me why? Ok...Think, Nigerian has been relating and participating actively in foreign troops operation long before South Africa emerged from darkness of apartheid, suddenly the dunce-brained among them are claiming to be better experienced and wiser than Nigeria's multi decade institutional experience. Can you see the stupidity?

We have learnt the terrains, cultures, nuances, and more importantly the POLITICS!

One of the olodo boys is making excuses that they lost to SELEKA because they were only kids. Oh! cry me a river...! Was your foolish SANDF expecting to fight a conventional war there? If that's what you were thinking, then your military belong to the bye-gone years! When was a conventional war fought last between African countries, and what's the ratio of conventional to non-conventional wars in Africa in last 30yrs? If your military policy planners can't figure this simple logic through, then you are bunch of bad jokes.

Basically, every national Army (Navy, Airforce) is prepared for conventional warfare, but practical realities is that most likely is that they will fight non-conventional types. So Strong forces like Nigerian military have learnt and adapted to both types of warfare! Anybody who thinks that what happened in Baga is a mistake, go to your village and organize guerrilla attacks on Nigerian troops there, then you will see a repetition. I am no supporter of civilian attacks, but it is only people who are unaware of arts of non-conventional warfare that can't figure this out. There's nothing gentleman at all about it. Our troops learnt it bitterly in their first deployment to Liberia, the very civilian they were trying to protect shot them at the back. The little boys and girls they tried to protect killed many of them. Since then, they learnt that aspect of assymetric warfare; if you are caught in the wrong place during firefight, pray to your god for safety.

Now SANDF is learning, only that you could have saved yourselves from disgrace if you had taken lessons on peacekeeping/enforcement in Africa. but you foolishness will never allow you. Next time, make una jump enter hot situation with pictures of your shiny weapons without learning the international politics and nuances of the matter, CAR go be child-play.

I hope that cry baby will stop whinning about child soldier here

sa war expernce is

ww1, ww2, koerean war, and the border war from the late 1960s to 1989. yet you think we have no experiance? we deploy a higher percentiage of our solders than nigeria. so please.

aka you you kiss outsiders buts. a nastion of sell outs.

where was that siade. we never lost to seelka. we achied the primary mission of the deployment, killed over 500 rebels for only 14 dead and 26 wounded. no we where expecting the regional force and local army to actualy put up a fight. 200 solders can not fight over 3000 alone. yet we did and held our ground.


the entir border war was noncovstional with a few convesntiol battels.

take lessons from you. sorry we dont think murding civlians is a good idea.


foolish nigerians, giant sell outs

agaugust:
Nigeria is succeeding in Mali war.

South Africa has failed and is out of CAR war in disgrace.

So who is the real F00L ?

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You because nigerai has done nothing in malili. Chad and france did all the leg work.

You all so took month to deploy any solders at all. I mean you can drive to malili through niger from nigeria.

Malili has showen how weak you are. Only you such a fool you don't relice it.

agaugust: No, you are wrong. Nigeria is a wise 53 year old country with much experience of reality of life.

Nigeria is for Africa by ECOWAS, OAU or AU. Nigeria supported ANC, SWAPO, and FRELIMO against foreign western nations oppressing Africa.

However if Nigeria needs to make allies with a western nation to save an African nation in trouble, Nigeria will make allies for that purpose. That is wisdom, any other way will turn into foolishness at the end. Nigeria has suffered and become wise after many years.

Of those 53 years how much time was has a dictatorship, civil war(well that has never truel ended just the opostion) has a corrupt cess pool(53 years is that correct) exra. Nigeria is not wise nigeria is a country run b fools that have becom vasals to every forghin power.

A giant joke.

agaugust: War is war and there are principles, be a soldier if you want to fight war. Change to become a politician if you want to please people.

Breaking the principles of war leads to untimely death of soldiers and making of new widows.

There is all so sonthing called a objective. Sa objective is the up lift ment of africa. And poliece is for africa by africa. Geting french help gose aganst that.

Nigeria is more "for france by africa"

all4naija: I would opt you reread my question as this your comment sounds as an excuse to say the least. I hope you are not offended in any way by my coercing request.

I failed to under stand what you siad.

But on the report.

1 Enews is not the brightest on milltary matters
2 anti goverment
3 where wrong has it turned out there was no plan to return to CAR(DRC took prioty)

agaugust: Whose fault ? You south Africans are S.tupid in war strategy. I warned you last year when you were boasting that south African army entered CAR war without any making allies with France for that particular war, I told you from war history knowledge I know, south Africa was playing with fire.

You also posted many S.tupid comments insulting Nigeria for waiting to make allies with France before Nigerian army entered Mali war.

I warned you that real war is different from your internet copy and paste ideas or military photography.

Now events have proved me right . South African army failed under Seleka rebel attack and your soldiers ran to France's army base to give you medical aid and protection from further rebel attacks.

South African military from General, Admiral, Air Marshal down to Sergeant, Seaman, and Airman are very poor war strategist s you know ! Really dumb f00lish military men you have in that south Africa. Ethiopian military is even more intelligent than south African armed forces.

Shame on Y.ou Pretoria Soweto. !

Shame on us? We trying rid africa of out side control not join you in becoming there vasals.

France dose not care about africa they care about france.

agaugust: Please produce another lie and deceit, the ones above didn't work. Sorry.


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What lie. Where is any thing in that post wrong.

all4naija: Good. Of what point would SA promised to send more troupe if there was nothing of such as defeat in the second video?.

What deaft what troupe.

France controled the only access point and would not allow SA renforments. Did you know that.

agaugust: Post your 40 page report and lets see. I refer to your seleka propaganda document posted when @patriot3 proved you wrong as usual.

The french man refuesed to read to report and thus was unaware of it's contents. Thus how would he know if it was propergander or not.

I all so point out the SANDF dose not do propergander.

agaugust: many of us read your 40 pages south African propaganda report but wd refused to be decieved by the lies and false information loaded there.

The best way to redeem south African military image was to send additional 1,000 soldiers with a few light armoured vehicles, light artillery, light attack aircraft and defeat ALL the Seleka rebels in CAR finally, then conduct elections and let the people gore the president of their choice. That is what Nigerian military did in Liberia, that is what it takes to be called the giant of Africa and the best army infantry in the whole continent.


You don't become a recognized war champion by posting nice military photos on internet, war is for fighters and not for hollywood video and pictures.

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This post shows you never read the report.

There is a entire thread full of nigerian milltary pics. Pics from inside bases. Pics that are ileagel yet you think we are pic happy.

all4naija: 1.

A video evidence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4VOSwvJtxM

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A video evidence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF0gZ_Q8JQo


I would be interested how fallacious those two videos are to the defeat of your military by CAR child rebel soldiers.

I have done so all ready. You need to try somthing new.

Did you know sa was providing CAR army with equpment including personal gear, wepaons a few vechicls extra. Those items where left behind along with a radio at the traing base near presdtial palace(only thing worth any value) and vechiels abondon due to operstiol needs.

It how ever dose not mean sa was defeated. The primary objective of the mission was to protected the training gear at the poliece stastion out side of town and the training personal. This was achieved.

agaugust: @all4naija is correct, there is a published report that says exactly that. It was posted on nairaland and you uses it as an excuse last month march.

Its gonna take time to fish out that post but I will try.

You are a chronic liar and a shameless man.

You can try all you want.

How ever there is a report saying SA solder where grieve struck or dismaid to find out the killed kids.

All so SA solders stope shooting once the fighting hit the suburbes. This was done to avoid civlian loss of live. It all so happens to be the report of SA solders retreating to there base at speed.

But since non of you read the 40 padge report it unlikly you knew that.

all4naija: I couldn't find it. Leaving that aside, there is evidence your military was defeated by CAR rebels. There is no argument about that.

What evdidence. Though many have tried to post all sorts of evidence all of it was refueted.

all4naija: Oh! what a way to go after knowing that would be a difficult thing to do in a thread with over 122 pages. I will try, but don't expect me to find it.

There was no report of that nature.

agaugust:

I have said it before that I agree with you, South African army is qualified to teach others about escape and evasion methods because your army escaped very fast from Seleka rebels of CAR, used evasion tactics to withdraw from CAR war completely, set new world record for army combat survivability by 'escapology'.



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It shows you don't know what escape and evasion is. But it all right you are a fake after all.

agaugust: .



the south african navy submarine was used to target 5 old outdated NATO warships and only 1 modern frigate



HOLLAND's naval ship is a 2005 technology stealth ship and is the only modern ship in the whole 6 ship NATO task force. Holland is one of the European countries with No sensible war experience in modern times, they avoid deadly combat.

the 5 other NATO navy ships are much older technology and close to their retirement age, they are :

USA navy ship is 1988 technology and now retired from a service
CANADA's navy ship is 1990 technology
PROTUGAL SICK BABY OF EUROPE's navy ship is 1991 technology
DENMARK navy's ships is 1981 technology and now retired from service
GERMANY's naval ship is an ordinary fuel storage tanker ship with 1977 technology

the SOUTH AFRICAN navy submarine is 2006 technology used against 5 outdated old warships with inferior technology


the NATO navies had better warships but did not bring them to south africa. also, no british, french, german or italian navy warship was present in the NATO force, and these are the 4 most powerful NATO countries in europe.

British navy stealth destroyer warship HMS Daring and US navy Arleigh Burke stealth destroyer warship have both been fully operational since 2006, a year before the so called defeat of NATO warships and they did not come to south africa then for the NATO war game.

nigerian navy too can use our 2012 Type 056 Stealth light frigate warship to missile target lock on that same american 1988 warship because it cannot see the nigeria stealth vessel built with modern stealth technology, then we come to nairaland and boast that nigeria navy defeated american warship !

EGYPT HAS PAID FOR 2 OF THE SAME SOUTH AFRICAN TYPE 209 SUBMARINE

On 31 August 2012, the Egyptian navy commander General/ Osama Ahmed stated that a contract has been signed with the German side to build two type 209 submarines for the Egyptian navy including the latest technology this type has reached.

ALGERIA HAS PAID FOR 2 OF THE SAME SOUTH AFRICAN VALOUR CLASS STEALTH FRIGATES

NIGERIA HAS PAID FOR THE FOUR TYPE 056 LIGHT FRIGATES AND PIPAV TIGER CLASS CLONE STEALTH WARSHIPS WITH YEAR 2012 LATEST TECHNOLOGY.

these 3 african navies are strongly contesting power for the sea with south african navy, and we cannot know who will win the sea war until the navies clash for real war, not just posting photos on nairaland and judging warships you have never seen by posting comments from your bedroom.

stop deceiving yourselves in south africa, your military can be beaten and r.oasted as we just saw now in CAR by local illiterate rebels.


weblink source : google internet wikipedia of all the ships named in this post, and their full details will be confirmed
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again shows you are a ignorant, foolish fake.

you think a 1988 NATO ship will have 1988 tech on it? if you do then there in no hope for you.

if you turn on your radar you no longer stealth. but i under stand you a fake and dont know that. and your pressuse opv would be sunk by a USCG cutter.

congates we have 3

congrats we have 4

congates we have project biro.
and what 2012 tech?

no they not contesting any thing, and project biro will make SAN even stronger.

once again 500 dead rebels would say other wise. only they dead

all4naija: Your previous statement, I quote "You assume that we killed 500 kids." It was stated by you and your SA friends that was among the reasons your men quit their post. That after seeing they were all young kids begging for their lives to be spared.

So, nobody can assume something that has been stated clearly by you and your friends.

Show the post or link where that was siad.

agaugust: You just finally s.hot y.ourself in the leg and proved me and @Scipher to be correct.

South African soldiers were NOT training any American or NATO soldiers on war/combat, you were showing them survival methods in African hot dry bush which the white men don't have in snow cold Europe, the methods of staying alive as individual soldiers in that African type of terrain just in case they have reason to operate in that kind of region.

South African military is NOT competent to train America and Europe the art of war, they know 1,000 times more than you know.

Did south African military fight in Iraq war, Afghanistan war, Bosnia war ? Are you sick ? You cannot teach war tactics to America and NATO, their own military is not S.tupid like south African army defeated by kid Seleka rebels. Please stop day dreaming, you will soon be sleep walking !

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Yet america has desserts.

And part of the training was escape and evasion.

Any case we where all ways saying bush craft.

And training is training.

all4naija: Now, you are resorting to insult. I can do that as well. Your claim is that we assumed your men killed 500 rebels, which is what you and your friends clearly posted in this thread to be true. How do we assume such a thing when it was said by you and your South African friends? You are brain dead, dude!

I see. You can't read.

I siad he assumed all 500 where kids. I don't know what you saying.

all4naija: You are full of excuses. It is you and your South Africans friends who boasted here of having 200 of your military men killed 500 rebels. Now, you are telling us we are assuming that. It is very clear you are fond of passing around baseless all rather misleading information.

Everybody understand the validity of your evidences lacked credibility. Indeed, there is no need of putting your argument to the test when we know that it is full of excuses.

What you talking about. I gave proof. I even gave a intervie of the rebels. Not my fault you a fool.

agaugust: No, its you that will keep your mouth padlocked. The video and photos did not say the Americans are learning war from you. S.tupid imagination, America has 1,000 times more real war experience than south africa, so they don't need you, rather hou need them to help you. Can south African army fight Iraq when Saddam was in full power ?


You can teach war to Lesotho and Swaziland, teach them how to run away from rebels like Seleka farmers gunmen, teach them the art of fast retreat, teach them the way of war lies and propaganda, teach them how to manipulate casualty figures, teach them to pull out of countries like CAR when the battle gets bloody, teach them that cowards live longer than heroes...teach them well.


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Really. So that american report of americans geting trained in sa by south african is a lie.

We never ran away, the rebels where not farms but chandian and sudanes mercs and the only properganger is the one in your head. So please leave and stope imbarsing your self.

agaugust: ...because you are a total M.ad man with half brain that sits down in his bedroom in south Africa to judge combat capability of a new year 2012 technology Chinese stealth warship that nobody in the world has its technical details except the Chinese navy and later Nigerian navy when we get ours own delivered next year
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You really gone M.ad, so much your south African colleagues are not proud of the S.tupid comments you write nowadays. They don't want to share your shame.

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Actally a lot(all) of the sytems and wepaons on it are not 2012 tech. So yet again you proof that you are a fake.

scipher: baga? Baga's case is still shady... The miliary claim six civilians lost their lives hence harbouring terrorists... The 180+ figure was a governors claim.. Political ish if you ask me

I am not conserd about that one event. The reports are so far of I don't know who is right. Probaly a middel ground.

I am taking about the reports that nigerian solders are being rather brutial in the north.

scipher: what do you expect of a miliary regime?

And what about to day in the north.

scipher: you can laugh all you want mheen... You don't gain points for killing kids..

You assume that we killed 500 kids. That why I am laughing.

Not to mentsion a builte dose not care about age or sex.

scipher: they broke the law and did inhumane things too...so what makes Nigeria different?

That nothing happened to them that's what.

scipher: US army did their part in Iraq as well as afgan ... You don't know shiit about war ...

Us solders did not strip then beat 14 year old kids in iraq or afghanstan or shoot unarmed kids in the back at point blank range extra extra in front of camaras.

Yes they did break laws. But they where punished when caught out.

scipher: weapon in their hands but not skilled... SANDF is a joke

Really. If you read the 40 padge report I post you will understand why I am laughing at you.

scipher: lol... If they murder civilians I should be dead by now don't you think? ... Oh... the US trained you get that in ur head

nigerian army is well knowen for brutalty in the north but even you much praised mission in liberia and serrie leone is no better

put this in a youtube search

ecomog war crimnals to see what i mean

kgr28: Hao!! Even Zambia got issues with SA!!

No just one old drunk. I mean he loves mugabe and thinks he is funny. Lol.