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Henry120: BULLSH*T, go tell this your bedtime story to a 2years old.

Even te rebels admited to taking heavy losses. Yet you think our forces where butcherd by farmers.

I have given a number of diffrent sources on the battel one was even a rebel source. Yet you still act ignorant.

Just over 200 solders killed arround 1000 heavly armend rebels. There base was never over run and they held out till the rebels asked for a cease fire. Those are facts yet you ignore them. It shows how closed your mind is.

Henry120: You see that's the difference between nigeria and SA, we are honest enough to admit our shortcomings and make corrections from them. On the other hand SA would prefer to live in denial, not even the truth staring at your faces would make you change your stance. Example, CAR and all of andrew's fictitious figures.

Yes nigerian F-7's are not what we require for our current needs. They are interceptors, what we need are multi-role jets and not those things.


Boy go educate yourself Abi. This wrong, what you should have used is abeg.


Abeg = please
Abi. = is it that

Where are my numbers in CAR wrong. Show me where. I know for a nigerian they find it hard but for us in SA who are in the know. It does not suppris us.

Henry120: It is the UZI PRO.

You no dey go church on sunday? Abi church no dey simmons town?

Duty.

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I don't like the uzi(are sure it is the uzi and not the FN coppie) it is a bit dangouriss.

Dibiachukwu: In a short period of time, Nigeria can mass produce weapons of war, including classified ones. If you think an army would tell you about all the weapons that it has, so that you can start handing out ridiculous sanctions; think again. Nigeria can manufacture heaps of weapons, if we want! However you actually have to go to war to gain experience. In today's military, after weapons of mass destruction; an informed, tactical, and experienced military rules. Nigeria has the later in bunkum.

I have yet to see any thing come out of the nigerian defense industry to let me say. WoW!

Henry120: The FN family
Origin : Belgium

The agent on the left hand side is carrying an FN F2000, while the other agent is carrying an FN P90.

These rifles are amongst the most modern fire arms anywhere and they do not come cheap. very expensive!!!

Luckily for nigeria the rounds of these rifles are produced under license at DICON.

Body armour of the agents are made by PROFORCE

Small correcstion. PN90 is not a rifel. It is a SMG or PDW it firs the the grear 5.7mm round along with the five seven pistol of FN.

Capnd143: the last i checked! NIgeria has large URANIUM DEPOSITS IN AKS state. So why the hoax? Nigeria has lead,iron ore,gold,uranium,oil,etc etc.

Sa is one of the most minrale rich countries in the world. And they keep finding more and more.

agaugust: you have poor understanding of how weapons platforms get configured and re-configured in a matter of hours. manufacturer claims nigerian navy shaldag gunboats are built to carry 4 or 8 missiles if they wish to, and that NNS ZARIA and NNS BURUTU have no fixed weapons configuration like the shaldag boats, they can be armed with missiles if they want to

i even posted weblink for the shaldag gunboats, but you still argue...i repeat it now with quotes

" Nigerian Navy commissions Shaldag, OCEA vessels

Standard equipment on most Shaldag versions includes an X-band surveillance/navigation radar and electro-optical sensor system for day and night surveillance.

A number of armament options are available, including fore and aft deck guns, and heavy machineguns on the fly bridge. The guns can be remotely controlled (such as the 23/25 mm Typhoon and 12.7/7.62 mm Mini-Typhoon) or manually operated weapons.

In addition, a 20-23 mm naval gun can be mounted on the rear gun mount or [size=16pt]four to eight short range missiles can be carried[/size]. "


weblink source http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29434&Itemid=106

same for the NNS ZARIA and NNS BURUTU, i showed you manufacturers website, says no fixed type of weapons, they get configured.

missiles on shaldag gunboat are mounted at the back not the front. you dont know where NNS ZARIA missile mount will be, its not disclosed by manufacturer.

fire control radars are no issue because you dont have current photos of all 4 directional vies of NNS ZARIA, it even has no photo anywhere on internet, only NNS BURUTU has two photos.

also, fire control radar is NOT necessary for NNS ZARIA, read modern technology...

"Some modern radars have a track-while-scan capability enabling it to function simultaneously as a fire-control radar and a search radar. This works either by having the radar switch between sweeping the search sector and sending directed pulses at the target to be tracked"

weblink source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-control_radar

radars, weapons, cells, guns, etc get changed randomly on modern weapon platforms nowadays to perform different roles.

it took me many hours and many weblinks posting before you agreed that BTR-3U and COBRA of nigerian forces carry missiles and have modular weapons inter-change capability. you just argue blindly about weapons as if your limited knowledge is the same limit of science and technology all over the world. NNS ZARIA/BURUTU and SHALDAGS are to a large extent, very modern modular form built weapon platforms/ships/vessels

you said nigerian navy sea drone has no radar, go back to the photo and see its radar on top of it very clear to see. here is weblink to show you that modern drones generally can carry radar in addition to camera, infra red, and still use GPS to find targets. you were very wrong. its a new israeli made drone you dont have in south africa, you dont know the hi-tech of the nigerian drones type of hardware, different from older types and air borne types.

weblink source http://www.howstuffworks.com/predator.htm

about 10 nigerian alpha jets have been changed to anti-shipping combat versions by full upgrade in germany.

"The Nigerian Air Force order for 24 units of Alpha Jets were the only ones delivered through German (Dornier) production lines. All the rest Alpha Jet airframes were produced in France by Dassault.

These upgraded variants of the Alpha Jet appear to have been optimised for maritime patrols and counterinsurgency operations.

Note the six hardpoints (as against the traditional four hardpoints) on the upgraded Alpha Jet and the maritime grey camouflage."

weblink source http://beegeagle./2012/06/10/nigerias-upgraded-alpha-jet-aircraft-have-apparently-been-optimised-for-maritime-and-counterinsurgency-operations/

you see the you dont understand modern weapons modular format, see the quote above about shaldag...it says...standard hardware, optional weapons, and then additional weapons. then you just jump to conclusion about a nigerian weapon from your bedroom in south africa ! that is bad for any military commander, you are the only soldier i know who talks like that, your rank is very low, like army sergeant/naval seaman II. no insult intended.

Those 4 to 8 missiles are AGMs with anti ship war heads. Such has the mokape, hellfire, TOW extra. I have never doubted they could carry these. But then a gain any boat could carry somthing of that size. And they of no threat to any warship. Only to small coastal crafts

I never doubted the BTR3 or cobra could carry AGMs. I do have doubts nigeria has AGMs for them. There is a diffrence. At no point has mention of AGM sales been reported to nigeria.

Radars are mounted on masts and above the ship. This has not changed. There for we can see what radar they have. It only air/sea search. Yes there are radars that can muilty task. Nigeria vdose not build radars and any radar sail will be listed.

No menstion has been made of nigeria recving those sea drones. That would be big news since only a few countrys operte any thing of that class. They carry a radar in the same class has the HPB. And no ASMs

Yes wepaons get changed this I don't denyi I am saying that what nigeria has. The shaldang of nigeria dont have any missiels and nigeria has none to put on them. Nor do you gun boats have any missiels.


You constintly act has though nigeria is america with limtless funds and abliets. Nigeria has less funding for there there defense force and you want to act like it can run like america. You spend to much time away from home and lost touch with reality.

Just because there are only a few pic dose not mean people from the out side world have not seen them. Do you not think mention of them carrying missels would be unnotised.


I never doubted your alpha jets where set up for maritime patrol. But they don't carry any ASMs. NA has dumb bombs and rockets plus the gun. Between 2000 and 2012 the only missiels purchesd was 20 PL9 c model short rang air to air missiles.

Nigerian navy has arudu with 8 ASM and ayan with 4 ASM.

No other AGMs/ASM are in servise.


You living in a fantasy world where you think nigeria is buy stuff to fight SA. They not they buying stuff to fight pirats that plague your waters. Nigeria is going to soon become home to highest pirate risk area.


SA has no threat of pirats so is build up a fleet to help in intervension in africa and long range deep sea patrols.

Since niether side could launch a ground invasion I would not bother to simmult that. The attack would all was loose. Niether side can threaen each other by air either. So this will be left to the navy.

SAN would need some build up for this. But no more than 6 months if money is not a issue. We will need to get 3 of our valour class operstinal. 2 for the attack one for defense. 2 of our subs both for attack. Dransberg will be used once the area is securer. All remaing operstional SAN units will be used for defense. Though attack is highly unlikily it can happen.

Army reservest and activy duty personal will move G5 in to postion near all major ports. This four counter battry fier in the highly unlikly event of a NN ship getting that close. Airforce gripen will be on stand by in cape town.

Dransberg will reposhine to lusaka angola. It is both save and close. Nigeria is close enough that that drakensberg can remain out of the AO.

The 2 valour will harrise oil platforms. The 2 subs will postion them selfs so has too attack any NNS that moves to protecked them. The aim is to draw out any NNS ship so we can fight away from the coast. Thuse it will be a navy vs navy/air not navy vs navy/air/artley. Goal is to use the subs to kill ardu and thunder. They the only threat NN has. Once they gone we need to draw the alpha jets and F7 out. This will be risky but 2 valour frigats could handel them has long has we stay far enough out to sea where they can not use the coast to hide them selfs. The subs will now rsort to covert ops. Deploying SF to harrase oil producstion and to rearm MEND and oth hostile local groups.

Once the skys are clear dransberk can move in a conduct it's own speciol ops missions. Nigeria will quikly agree to our demands at this point.

Internastiol support for either side is not likely. Andhas long has we don't stay to long the oil disrubsion will not be to great.

agaugust: .



sure, no single person is a master of all military weapons, because there are thousands of weapons all over the world.
that is why war plans are done by join military top brass of generals, admirals, air marshals.

i have never claimed to be a master of all military weapons or war in general, i have openly said i am a civilian with far above average military knowledge for my level as a civilian, not a soldier. i do work in a private military consultancy company as support/assistant research staff with a few years on the job. i would not be childish and publish the name of the company here, augustine is not a F00L, nobody on this topic in nairaland has openly posted the name of the company he works for.

i think that is lack of maturity and discipline to post the name of where you work on this forum, just to prove a point to people who have no face. you andrew did it, and i think its military indiscipline for you to post your south african navy service/registration number on an internet forum just to prove a point...no nigerian soldier will ever do that !

you say i am fake, then you @andrewza the original, i challenge you to simulate a war between nigeian vs south armed forces and post for us to see.

i am sure you will run away from the above challenge, you are only waiting for me to do it then you will look for what you can criticize/complain about and run me down with your mouth, not with your brains.

a self acclaimed builder that refuses the call to build a house, but waits for another builder to construct the house, then he comes around to inspect it to find faults, is a shame to the building profession....complaining about what others do when you could not do it.

copy and paste master andrewza coetze, i challenge you today if you have the courage of a real soldier, accept my challenge !


[size=16pt] i challenge you to this test of real war knwoledge @andrewza, and let all south africans and nigerian judge your full war simulation and my own ! [/size]


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did i say you had to have knowldge of every thing? But you cliaming that ceartian ships/boats can carry ASms even though they have no fire control radar is somthing that show ignorince at least on a naval matters.

I have given my company name, jobe titel, locastion, and force number you then ileagaly posted my face book profile pic, if it was my face book profile it would be a pic of me in cermonal black holding a R5. It is not ileagel to post you from the milltary, it is ileagel to prented to be a memeber of the milltaery though. That is why i would not trust any body who cliams to be milltary that is unwilling to give details. At no point have i given what barraks or unit i am in. That is privat and ileagel. nor do i post pic i have taken my self or give insider infomastion.

i have all ready done post like that but i shall do one again for you.

agaugust:
you want me to use my brain to simulate a full war of all nigerian armed forces vs south african armed forces...but you south africanjs said many times that i am a fake military consultancy staff. so why dont you or @andrewza do it and let us see your simulation.

what you are asking for is the most difficult thing in military operation, it is usually done in real war by a team of combatant generals, admirals, air marshals to bring all the armies, navies, and air forces of two different countries against each other in full scale war.

you will never find it to copy and paste from internet, it does not exist there, it is pure 100% brain work, technical.

You genrail lack of knowlege some one of your claimend level is what gives me that impression.

And I have said before there is no way a genrial war between SA and nigeria could be. It would be limted to naval battels. Some where SA has a strong point now and based on planed funded for awustions will remian a SA strong point.

If america wants your ass there is no where you can escape to. I mean they invaded a country to get ossama then ilegally enterd another when he escaped.

Moral of the story. Don't pull the tigers tail if you not ready for the claw.

DictatorZAR: In SA cops face jail time for such behavior and soldiers will be court marshaled.

Now to come and change the issue of ill disciplined soldiers into a xenophobic nonsense is totally mischievous.

Soldiers should uphold and protect the constitution and sovereignty of a country. They should not do what they did in those pics and still get away without any disciplinary action being taken against them period.

If this is the way they treat there own people how worse is there conduct when on foreign deployment

Court marshil is a nice way of saying it. Any junoir would be striped of rank sent to dentsion barraks for 6months(the longes one can spend there due to the nature of the place. It not nice) to be dishorbily dischraged and sent to a civlian prison. A senori persone or officer would probaly be drummend out of the milltary. And there is nothing worrse than that for long severing milltary persone to get drummend out. They will phiscaly cut/strip your uniform of you, have the base/unit about turn on you(show there backs to you), march you to the gates to drumes and close them on you(old day they used to kick you out phiscaly). You then banded from any milltary base, insterlastion, event even makeing contacted.


If I just talk with disrespect to a civlian I will be in troubil. And I could end up doing frog jumps.

This shows us a number of thing about the nigerian milltary.

:poor or no disspline
:poor or no command and control from officers or wores support from them
:poor training
:no self control

They no better than a rebel army and I could not call those men solders. A job of a solder his primary mission is to protected the country and all her people not protected the rich and powerfull.

Any body trying to defend the acstions of these disgraces in uniform is a fool.

Solders are not the court of law, they not judge dredd and have no right to find some one guilty and then punish them. If the man broke the law arrest/detian him and let the justise sytem run it's course.

This act and the many others mentioned point out a number of problems in the nigerian defense force.

:Poor or no disspline
:Poor or no control by officers or wores they support from officers for this
:poor training
:no self control

If these are ment to be your protectors o pray you never have a need of protecstion.


In carrying out my duty in SA if I speak with dissrespect to a civlian I would be in troubil and may be the one doing frog jumps if I made a civlian do frog jumps they would kick me out in to prisson. If a officer did it they would drum him out. A proces where the cut your uniform of you have the entire base turn there back on you and march you out(to drum beats) probaly in to a prisson over haule for doing this.


I doubt there would be any invistegastion done in to this. In most proper miltaries even useing justerfiabil non leathel force will result in a invistegastion to see if any thing ileage was done.

Henry120: That guy must have done something wrong for him to get punished in that manner. Soldiers don't just go punishing peeps.

Come to nigeria and see how some of these bus drivers neglect simple traffic rules and throw out all common sense out of the window.

However you cannot compare this to the treatment SA police meted out to miners or that poor mozambican

That dose not give the the authority to punish. In SA solders can not even arrest. We detian and let the cops deal with civlians.

Come to SA and see our taxie drivers.


Those miners where stupid and agrissive. The cops invloved with the taxy killing are faceing a crimnal case. These solders will not get in troubel.

There acstion shows poor disspline. If some one breaks the you let the courts deal with it. Not act like judge dredd.

sheyie2007: How many of those barbaric cops have gone to jail? Xenophobic cops

Those found guilty go to jail.

sheyie2007: There's something you don't know, in nigeria It's prohibited to wear karmo-like outfits.either way you don't just get punished if you've not fvcked up in front of the kharki men... Some folks are just getting what they deserve simple... .. but hey, we love duelling on the bad side of things and make a big deal out of it on this platform

Only a court can give sentince. There is no difrence between the Nigerian poliece/army and what those cops in SA have done. Other than if you did this in SA you would end up in jail.

https://www.nairaland.com/1263159/soldiers-punishing-civilian-public-pictures

Funny how you guys never seem to mention theses.

all4naija: I would accept the argument of Japan been the master of war in the past over China large population. That of Mongolia is absolutely incorrect. Mongolians are parts of China in the present day , they practically are minority. In the past there is nothing Like huge nation as present day China. It is all about empires and different dynasty. So, you are misinformed to think China as a whole in contemporary was defeated by the Mongolians.

You mean you don't know how mongloia a small natsion of nomads set up the largest land based empire ever. And counqured most of china. They wiped out entire ethnic groups. Every one above the knee. And even to day they nunber less than 2 million. Numbers are not the most importad thing in history. 1948 isreal is proof of that, SA in angola is proof, france, america and chinas failed milltary intevensions in to china(most people don't know about the vietnam vs cambodia/china war. They fared far wors than america) are proof finland vs russia extra. Countless times size has been proofen to not be a gaurinty of succsess

sheyie2007: South Africa's population is fast on a decline..lol.. crime and HIV is eating them deep like termites

the ignorinse in this post is beyond funny.

sheyie2007: .. MTN and DSTV ownership in Nigeria 50/50, now after the profit is shared, the heavy tax comes in.. I don't fell milked..lol.. In fact, we need more investors pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese.

You only see those 2 companys. Don't be short sighted.

all4naija: Probably you haven't read anything on human resourcefulness. It is ability to process other resources and the power of any nation depends on it. Mind you, the reason China can beat its chest is because of it huge population not the mineral resources. They are the people who feed the production engines with materials and work daily to keep that country economy and other sectors active to the level it is today. If you think population is all by itself a problem you thought wrong. Just that Nigeria is not educating the citizen enough to realize the potential of human resources. Yet, we are by and large the giant in that area in Africa, be it either a blessing or a curse.

I take you have never heard of
Starvastion
Mass unemployment
Shortges of resouces
Over crowding
Extra

Massive populastion has a big down size.


China had a massive populastion for a long time. Has not stoped far small countries from smaking it arround. From the moglians, japan, england, veitnam, extra.

Tiny mongola once rulled china.

Populastion alone is not a gaurinty of greatness

sheyie2007: Even with the tiny population of yours, you've succeeded in being the 7th most crime ridden country in the world... I'm not saying having a large population is awesome though

Show your source of that cliam. And you do know it is a percapta thing.

sheyie2007: How large? Is it in commercial quantities Dude until you start full exploration.. We shall see. For now we're still the boss of you. And who told the the major investors are south africans Dude, are you fvcking kidding me?

The survey is not complet but the numbers are looking high.

Did I say all of the major investors. I siad SA invests in nigeria. Aka makes money off you.

solomon111: What oil?
Foreign investment are focusing on non-oil sectors,as Nigeria is trying to depart from oil-dependency.
Most of the investments are focused in mineral,power and Agricultural sectors.
Foreign companies in southafrica are even moving to Nigeria.
Nigeria is where the money is,as we guarantee you the highest return on investments in Africa.
Other african countries are just entrying the oil industry,while Nigeria is already moving away from it.

Really show proof. Every piece of news on the nigerian ecconmy mentsions that it is depended on oil. Most of those companys are forgine owned.

What forghin companies are moving to nigeria from SA. Show proof that they leaveing SA to go to nigeria.

Nigeria is the land that can be riped off easly thanks to poor regulstions and high corrupstion.

Remove oil and nigeria falls.

all4naija: Lol... You are now becoming sincere with yourself, at least, for once. I doff my hat for that comment that the two African largest economies should stop deceiving themselves. That is a complete fact in many areas.

Notwithstanding, Nigeria still dwarfs SA in the area of population. That is not a deceit. In other words, Nigeria is practically the giant of Africa if we are to judge Africa by population, which is the best of all resources.

Since when has populastion been so importanted. You do know how mach negtive inpact a large poulstion can be.

China knows this. Hence the one child poliece.

all4naija: Some of Nigeria's military vehicles, armory,ships,aircraft, etc which will deter SA from intimidating any African country.

1.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8438/7766862358_27e69e8d06_z.jpg

2.

https://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af298/ONLY1GAR3TH/nigeriaatfiftyndjumaaprayer308.jpg

3.

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2011/10/manta-asd-littoral-interceptors.jpg[/img]

4.

https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4823384600_14ba1cbdf6_b.jpg

5.

https://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af298/ONLY1GAR3TH/Untitled111.jpg?t=1338810934

Why would any of that cause fear to us. And that hind is not even the nigerian hind.

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solomon111: All these ratings dosen't matter,as far as am concerned,as they are often biased in nature.
Nigeria is the highest reciepients of foreign investment in Africa, and also with the highest GDP growth rate.
That is what matters.

Thanks to your oil. But they have found large amounts of oil and populastion in SA now. And if you check who the investors are you will see a lot of them are south african. And sa still has by far a higher GDP per capita stronger econmy and better ballanced economy.

sheyie2007: So what are you trying to proof with this? a SA domain.. dude, really?

If we can not post any SA sources you can not post ANY nigerian soures. It is only fare.

agaugust: ...and every post you make tells us you are not a combat soldier...non-combatant...more like a cook/chef or photographer



dont talk like a fraud. my first post said, NNS ZARIA stealth will make it NOT appear as war vessel on SAS DRAKENSBERG radar, then @DictatorZAR said nothing like stealth capability on NNS ZARIA, he wanted to confuse people, so i changed my language to 'invisible' to let people know how stealth ships really are.

from pages 1 to 11 you south africans were boasting about your Valour frigate warships that NNS ARADU and NNS THUNDER cannot detect by radar. now on page 192 we bring up nigerian navy stealth fast patrol vessels ans you begin to deny that stealth ships are invisible to radar.

does the universal principles of science and technology change their capacity when it is nigerian equipment ?

stealth ships like south african valour size 121m frigate will look like a small fishing boat in radar screen, nigerian NNS ZARIA size 38m will look like a swimming shark fish or dolphin fish in radar screen of NNS DRAKENSBERG, then ZARIA is invisible as a ship because no ships is the size of a fish like dolphin or shark.

weblink source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_technology

NNS ZARIA will sink your SAS DRAKENSBERG because you cannot see the ZARIA launching attack missile with nigerian israeli drone tracking the target for her.

other attack options, nigeria's newly upgraded maritime combat Alpha Jets will use anti-ship missiles to sink south african DRAKENSBERG ship, or NNS THUNDER will use superior 76mm guns to shell it down to the sea bottom.

your south african warship was ZERO threat to nigeria when it was in ivory coast waters.



like i said before, show me weblink proof of this claim and i will drink my own urine in the toilet. nigerian airforce Mi-35 hind helicopter gunships too came in year 2010 without missiles ? abi you dey craze for head ?



source please, quote weblink source to prove this claim, same way you asked nigerian to quote weblink source to prove NNS THUNDER has been upgraded with new weapons and electronics for combat. judge yourself the same way you judge other people.



explain military definition of 'meaningful missile', i cannot find it in military dictionary. dont be like a drunkard, i just posted weblink source that Argentina's 14m size jet fighter carried and fired a size 5m size exocet and sank a whole British Navy destroyer class warship of size 125m and weight 5,000 tonnes in falkland war ! NNS ZARIA is size 38m and almost 3 times the size of that jet fighter. are you sick or drunk @andrewza ?

ordinary nigerian navy shaldag gunboat size 24m is manufacturer specified to carry 4 to 8 missiles. NNS ZARIA size 38m is much bigger than our shaldag gunboats.

weblink source http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29434&Itemid=106




...you are almost certainly a non-combatant soldier, your ability to simulate real life combat is too poor. i am a civilian, but i simulate life-like combat that defeats you, even with a smaller weapon than yours.

Firslty my post title is combat opertor. Secondadly I piont out that chefs do a lot more than cook. PRO(the guys who take pics) know a lot more about the navy than I do. They all so deal with forghine milltary personal when they come for vists. Only protectsion force don't serve on ships, but they do have a number of Harbour patrol boats, and any one from prot could just do seamanship course and work on them and fire fighters. All so don't work on ships.

Hull alone dose not make you stealth. The valour hull reduce the size of the ship 75%. Or the size of a dishing boat. Once it cets close enough that the enemy can pick it up it starts EW up to prevent it been locked on to. Though depending on the enemy ship we could close with in misseil range where we can fire them and use data link, the missiles radar or a 3rd sytem to guid the misseil with out turing on our radar. Now nigeria can do this but with out data ling we could use our power full EW sytems to cuase the enemy missil to go off target or just crash.

Nothing stealth is really stealth. Even the F117 need a EC/EW sytems to get through the radar.

By the time your prinspil war ships see the valour the will be speaking to the fishes.

No but your stealth PC gun boats don't have all the extra bells and whisles. They only ment to hide from civlian radars in the first place. My is the role. There there to proteced against pirats, mend extra not war ships.

You assume to much. It not nearly has stealth has you think. Even the strike craft are more stealthy. And actually did stealth coervert ops against cuban/russian/angoaln ships and air craft.


Lol it has no missiels your pic shows no missiles, no missil deck, no vlc cells or even fire control radar. Seconadly those drones have no radar so can at best provide laser guidance. That mean vissiul range aka 20mm range.

Show proof the alpha jets are going for martime strike, show that you buying ASM for them. Do you know that the gripen are certfied to carry ASMs.

I acctually said that the thunder could pull it off and ardu and your new OPV's. Drankberg is not a warship but a support ship.

I never said it was a threat. I said nigeria felt threatened by it being there. There is a diffrense.


You use the same site. Go check for your self. Many countrys operate there hinds with out AGMs. Algeria bought SA AGMs for there's. So yes it is possbil you bought the hinds with out AGMns and relye on rocket pods. AGMs have littel use in coin warfar where there are no AFV.

Provid proof.


Meanfull is a anti ship warhead. The mokap has a anti ship war head and a 10KM range. A RPG, swing fire extra will only make a war ship angry at you. I have coverd how that ship has no ASMs. Deal with it.

The shaldag dose not carry ASM. So please stop proofing your ignorince. We know it all ready. It easy for me to see if your ships carry ASM or not. I look at the radar mast. Same has milltary experts.

Proofing you wrong. Any case a miltary expert. 06011266mc.

You never told me what company tou work for.

agaugust: ...and every post you make tells us you are not a combat soldier...non-combatant...more like a cook/chef or photographer



dont talk like a fraud. my first post said, NNS ZARIA stealth will make it NOT appear as war vessel on SAS DRAKENSBERG radar, then @DictatorZAR said nothing like stealth capability on NNS ZARIA, he wanted to confuse people, so i changed my language to 'invisible' to let people know how stealth ships really are.

from pages 1 to 11 you south africans were boasting about your Valour frigate warships that NNS ARADU and NNS THUNDER cannot detect by radar. now on page 192 we bring up nigerian navy stealth fast patrol vessels ans you begin to deny that stealth ships are invisible to radar.

does the universal principles of science and technology change their capacity when it is nigerian equipment ?

stealth ships like south african valour size 121m frigate will look like a small fishing boat in radar screen, nigerian NNS ZARIA size 38m will look like a swimming shark fish or dolphin fish in radar screen of NNS DRAKENSBERG, then ZARIA is invisible as a ship because no ships is the size of a fish like dolphin or shark.

weblink source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_technology

NNS ZARIA will sink your SAS DRAKENSBERG because you cannot see the ZARIA launching attack missile with nigerian israeli drone tracking the target for her.

other attack options, nigeria's newly upgraded maritime combat Alpha Jets will use anti-ship missiles to sink south african DRAKENSBERG ship, or NNS THUNDER will use superior 76mm guns to shell it down to the sea bottom.

your south african warship was ZERO threat to nigeria when it was in ivory coast waters.



like i said before, show me weblink proof of this claim and i will drink my own urine in the toilet. nigerian airforce Mi-35 hind helicopter gunships too came in year 2010 without missiles ? abi you dey craze for head ?



source please, quote weblink source to prove this claim, same way you asked nigerian to quote weblink source to prove NNS THUNDER has been upgraded with new weapons and electronics for combat. judge yourself the same way you judge other people.



explain military definition of 'meaningful missile', i cannot find it in military dictionary. dont be like a drunkard, i just posted weblink source that Argentina's 14m size jet fighter carried and fired a size 5m size exocet and sank a whole British Navy destroyer class warship of size 125m and weight 5,000 tonnes in falkland war ! NNS ZARIA is size 38m and almost 3 times the size of that jet fighter. are you sick or drunk @andrewza ?

ordinary nigerian navy shaldag gunboat size 24m is manufacturer specified to carry 4 to 8 missiles. NNS ZARIA size 38m is much bigger than our shaldag gunboats.

weblink source http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29434&Itemid=106




...you are almost certainly a non-combatant soldier, your ability to simulate real life combat is too poor. i am a civilian, but i simulate life-like combat that defeats you, even with a smaller weapon than yours.

Please fool I am in the navy.

http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/sa-navy-reviews-fleet-needs-as-antipiracy-patrol-highlights-capacity-constraints-2012-03-23

As for the SAS Drakensberg, she was originally commissioned in 1987 and underwent a midlife refit in 2009. (Some work had to be postponed so she could be operational, for security duties, during the 2010 soccer World Cup; that work is now being done.)