₦airaland Forum

patriot4: unless you tell the sales man it will spoil business if he tells what you are buying. And Nigeria is making a lot of those weapons at home, but it will not tell (not good for business). Things are not that simple, the world is too complex for your iss to know everybody perfectly. Just buy yourself a brain.

Fool all of the top 20 arms produceers have laws in there country that regulate there sales. Nigeria is not in that list, nor do they export.

ISS and janes is not perfect the even say that. They a rough guid. They even get facts wrong about SA all the time but the numbers areneglibill for our dissccsion.

patriot4: Quit the lie, provide credible link. So now you are saying you people killed 1000. I don't want to insult you but you are really not verry intelligent. Now you have increased the number of your attackers from the 1000 you claimed to 8000. I'm fed up, you are a dreamer without logics or you are part of the SA propaganda team. Your army clearrly and swiftly got beaten by a bunch of children. They ran back home and you are there trying to change numbers, while SELEKA is cruising your vehicles (by the way your flags are still on most of those (you claimed earlier that your flags were not on those vehicles):
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/02/cruising-sa-style-in-coup-capital
"Rebel soldiers who overthrew the government of the Central African Republic are cruising the streets of the capital, Bangui, in captured South African military vehicles."
I know SELEKA is better than sandf, but that doesn't qualifie them as a real army, therefor they are not compareable to NA. Your army is a sham, it comprises undisciplined and uneducated lazy cowards. You are a big liar. Go and beg SELEKA to train your army.

i posted many sources on the rebel losses one from the rebels the selfs with a seleka captian admiting he lost half of his 500 strong group alone. so yes there are between 800 to over 1000 rebels dead. the rebels them selfs are not dening this cliam.


i never claimed 1000 i have all was said 3000 then the un and other ngo's put it at 5000 now those same groups are saying 8000. my numbers are not changing the infomation is just get through only now.

i gave you a where, how and why seleka got hold of SA land cruiisers and gekos, if you think it is cowardly why dont you drive in a unarmourd land cruser well accurits and heavy 30mm AGL, 23mm auuto canon, 14.5mm VHMG, RPG'7 and assult rifel fire is aimed at them. and no SA Flag was captured there was no mention or pic of a SA Flag in seleka hands.

just over 200 SA solders killed up to and above 1000 seleka fighters, most of whom are not even from CAR but from Sudan and chad. if it had been 200 nigerian solders they would have run all the way through cameroon back home. so please keep your ignorinse to your self.

patriot4: It seems that according to you countries don't need spies anymore, because magic iss is there to show every secret of every armed forces. You are delusional, if you frequent beageagle's blog enough then you will see a lot of Nigerian armoury that iss never spoted, real military experts have abandonned iss and are seeing beageagle's blog as more accurate. You are really naif to think there is one magic agency that knows all about every armies in the world. Go and get a brain checkup.

numbers of exported harware is not secruit, show me proof milltary experts no long trust ISS or janes. both use simlare source. beagel is a blog nothing more nothing else.

my brain is fine, i think the cold is affecting yours though.

sheyie2007: What's this one posting ?

It a SA LGB built for a ME country and market.

sheyie2007: SUNSAT, an advanced microsatellite developed by graduate students at Stellenbosch University in South Africa, will be launched by NASA from Vandenberg Airforce Base on a Delta II rocket currently manifested for August 1997. The Flight Model hardware is nearly complete and is now being pre-flight tested. This paper commences with an overview of the overall system, which comprises of three main payloads, namely a push broom type imager, packet communications systems and scientific experiments for NASA and the CSIR.

Laboratory measured performance data are provided for the 15 m resolution 3 colour CCD imager of SUNSAT, developed jointly by Stellenbosch University, the Council for Scientific Industrial Research (CSIR) in South Africa and the Korean Advanced Institute of Science and Technology (KAIST). The realisation and laboratory tests of VHF and UHF data collection and dissemination communications modules are described, as well as the operation of an S-band down link transmitter for image data and an L-band up link for rapid file transfers.

The various satellite bus systems is also described. The paper is concluded with a summary of the benefits and future of the microsatellite development laboratory at Stellenbosch University.

BACKGROUND
The SUNSAT programme set out in 1992 with three major goals, namely

to enrich the engineering graduate training programme at Stellenbosch University,
to expand international scientific co-operation

International collaboration has provided a launch opportunity for SUNSAT in 1997. NASA has agreed to launch SUNSAT free of charge as an auxiliary payload on their P-91 Delta mission2. In exchange, the SUNSAT microsatellite has been modified to incorporate a NASA supplied GPS receiver, and a set of laser retro-reflectors. Under this agreement the SUNSAT microsatellite will supply NASA scientists with data from their instruments, which will enable them to study gravitational effects by means of orbit perturbations.
http://research.ee.sun.ac.za/sunsat/sspapers/compayl.htm

why claim you did it all?

Thanks for proofing you have no comprension skills.

This proofs it was a south african sterlight built in SA by south africans. The sytems where south african but it carried US and SK experants. This shows both the US and SK saw it has a good desghine.

patriot4: No you
need SELEKA to train you!

Let see 13 dead 27 wounded compirad to 1000 dead. I think seleka is at nigerian level so they can't teach us any thing.

patriot4: Did the iss also say that pakistan was about to have the bomb ? Did they also say that vietnam had the weaponry it had ? The iss works on little pieces of information made available to it by the concerned armed forces. Of course the armed forces reserve the sovereign right to hide what they want to hide.

Iss was not around then. And yes they do know about the pakstan bomb, they even mention NK has haveing a strong possbilty of have delribil nuke.

Vietnam dose not hide it's wepaons. If you talking cold war. ISS was not a round then

Capnd143: Due to some south africans persistent and misguided negative perception of the might of the armed forces of nigeria, i decided to do a little quiet research on why the armed forces was secretive about their acquisitions and training ops as these was the main reason for SA perceived self superiority. I found out that is enacted in the military act that the armed forces are not allowed to made public any media files and non media files,printable or non printable documents of descriptions, firepower, number ,strength,payload,hardpoints and other weapon specification of the weapons of the armed forces as this considered a capital offense and is punishable under the military act on account of military espionage. Any armed personel commiting such offense maybe court martial or dishonourably discharged for leaking of military research,training and weaponry secrets. Am very much sure that the opposite is the case 4 the SA defense forces as the pictures,descriptions,hardpoints,modules,research info,application etc of their weapons are publicly paraded to incur a sense of military superiority!
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The prestigueos nigerian navy special forces known as the SBS train with US NAVY SEALS AND BRITISH SBS as a preliminary basic training procedure and all the SBS troops pass through Us seals b4 british SBS Training b4 being called Nigerian SBS yet stil an SA "aclaimed naval personel" would claim tactical naval superiority over nigerian navy because we dnt go about shouting about it in the media, each time those boys graduate the get 2-6 US customised Special warfare craft-boat of which normaly never gets penciled down in inventories yet an SA NAVAL PERsonel wouldnt hesistate to claim SWC-boat superiority the next time he gets a window to do so
[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/04/21039_300303564408_6799588_n.jpg[/img]Sbs and navy seals on patrol on us waters.

http://beegeagle./2013/02/17/usa-boost-maritime-security-training-with-us1-million-donate-6-patrol-boatsrhibs-2-additional-boats-inducted-25-trainees-graduate-from-joint-maritime-security-training-centre/

so then what about all those pics from malil, basic training extra. Sandf doese not write up the numbers i am giving.

SAN has conducted many training exersize whith forghine navies and SF. The diffrence we dont need them to train us.

patriot4: Very soon, this guy will tell us there were one billion rebels and just 20 SANDF soldiers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWS9PiXekE
This is Spartafrica !!!!!

the number of sa solderd never changed, the extra dead rebels died from there wounds.

patriot4: You keep saying things about the Nigerian armed forces without any link or proof. I think Augugust knows Nigerian navy much better than you. You are not being reasonable.

Both the iss and strp give reports on the difrrent ships and what anti ship missiel are carried by them and how many have been bought.

Some more facts from the battel in car

First is a compasion made. It mentions the britsh army 3rd paara battlion 2006 helmand deployment that they regurde has a hard fought deployment. In helmand 1200 parabats with light armour and air support lost 15 KIA and 46WIA and fired 479 000 rounds over 6 months.

The SANDF force of just ove 200 over one weekend fired 1200 12.7mm rounds alone from just 4 MGs and in total used 10 tones of ammo. Suverd 13 dead and 27 wounded. Killed up to 800 rebels, though total rebel losses is now over 1000 due to poor medical treatment. Not bad for 200 solders with company level wepaons.

The rebel force was between 4000 to 8000.

There where just over 2000 CAR troops(seen has the most trusted of there army) and 760 regional forces. The french got up to 600 but had said they would not help. They even told the SA force commanda they would not help to send troops.

Most SA losses accord out side te base (the base was deemed a poor deffensive postion and was the third last defensive line the last 2 being the rout to the air port and then the last stand at the air port or reatret in to DRC.

SA ended up fighting on 2 fronts and the parabats had to abondon there vechiles and head cross contry during a night battel to escape a rebel trap. There where cases of hand to hand fighting.

The seleka genrial leading the attack on the captial was a form CAR officer. And was trainded by the SANDF

Source the book about the battel bangue

Noticte the diffrences in cassulties and size of the force. And the fact was they where fighting on 2 fronts.

agaugust: .



where is prove NNS ZARIA and NNS BURUTU carries no anti-ship missile ? then read my post below.




you dont know NNS ZARIA and NNS BURUTU, so i will teach you. no weblinks sources for your claims, but i will post my own weblinks below as i teach you some war lessons. now read my student...

even beegeagle as a wise man did not post weapons of NNS ZARIA, he has no details of it, i searched the whole beegegle blog. stop lying about beegeagle, if you have proof, post weblink source of your NNS ZARIA weapons and show us how a south african got detailed weapons of nigerian navy ship the even we nigerians dont have. that is my weblink source below from the manufacturer, no weapons details from the ship builder itself, then @DictatorZAR know more about the weapon than the producers !

weblink source http://www.suncraftgroup.com/index.php/products/93-sea-eagle/78-sea-eagle-intro

see the ships photos from manufacturers weabsite, no weapons shown, it is custom built to buyers specific request.

nigeria has never commissioned/named any warship as NNS without missiles since 1976, all warships of nigerian navy with NNS name have missiles since 1980, 6 ships in total NNS ERINOMI, NNS ENYIMIRIN, NNS ARADU, NNS ANYAM, NNS SISR, NNS EKUN, all carry missiles like aspide, seacat, exocet, etc.

only a F00LISH navy admiral will use NNS ZARIA and BURUTU with ordinary guns in year 2009 to replace NNS ANYAM, SIRI, and EKUN of year 1980. any admiral that does that must be from south african navy.

manufaturers website data says NNS ZARIA and BURUTU are built to patrol, escort other ships and join a major fleet of bigger ships to sail. it is not a mere inshore patrol vessel, it is built for EEZ patrol and EEZ is about 400km away from coastline into the ocean, that is the manufactures specifications on the website.

the whole world knows NNS ZARIA and BURUTU are stealth fast attack ships that CANNOT be detected by radar, and only nigeria has stealth coastal and EEZ patrol/attack ships in the whole of africa, south africa has NONE !

nigerian navy has 2 stealth ships of NNS ZARIA class and 2 more on order making 4 Eagle Class Stealth vessels for nigeria. also, niegrian navy and army combines have about 30 CATAMARAN in-shore stealth gunboats. no other african country has any boats/vessels like that for coastal combat, NOT EVEN egypt, algeria, south africa. nigeria rules the whole world in that category.

nigerian airforce newly configured maritime warfare alpha jet is 13m long and carries two anti-ship missiles. NNS ZARIA is 38m and will carry more anti-ship missiles than alpha jet. exocet anti-ship missile is only 5m long and only one of it fired from a tiny sized Argentine Etendard Jet 14m size sank a solid built British Royal Navy Destroyer warship HMS SHEFFIELD of about 125m size and 5,000 tonnes in falklands war. south african SAS DRAKENSBERG is just about 5,000 tonnes similarly.

weblink source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sheffield_%28D80%29

one exocet missile fron NNS ZARIA can sink south african SAS DRAKENSBERG, and the oryx helicopter will not take off to chase NNS ZARIA because they will have no ship to return to and land while NNS DRAKENSBERG is on fire and sinking to ocean bottom, or south african navy helicopters have have zulu sangoma herbalists juju medicine that keeps them in the air forever when fuel finishes in the air and there is no ship to return to for landing ?

@andrewza, did you drop out of military academy without finishing the course ?

NNS ZARIA is year 2009 stealth ship and cannot be detected by radar, especially and old crap 30 years old south african navy ship SAS DRAKENSBERG, it will NEVER see NNS ZARIA on radar screen. this is world tested, proved and universally accepted science of stealth ships, so anyone that argues with that is a F00L from his mother's womb !

you south africans dont know nigerian navy modern powers and high level technology,

NNS ZARIA dont need to use her radar to detect NNS DRAKENSBERG, the ZARIA will reamin hidden. check the photos from manufacturers website i gave above, NNS ZARIA carries a utility boat or sea drone USV and that will go ahead many kilometers remote controlled and it will direct the NNS ZARIA anti-ship missile to sink NNS DRAKENSBERG while NNS ZARIA is safely sailing many kilometers away, and a sea skimming exocet missile has range of about 100km.

@andrewza, i think you are a cook/chef in south african navy, your real life war fighting skills are very poor, but you are good in war photography.

my south african students, remember the lesson i taught you last month, weapon platforms dont fight based on their platform size, rather they fight based on their technology and armaments they fire. dont be lazy my boys, learn fast.

i just taught you south africans how real war is fought in real life, you are expert in military weapons copy and paste data/photos, but you fail in real war simulation because you always under-estimate your enemy's power and capability.

NNS ZARIA and NNS BURUTU with their invisible stealth design, missile capability, speed, and sea drones they carry, will be very dangerous enemies for any african navy that fights the nigerian navy....then wait for more when nigeria's 6 new bigger warships all stealth frigates 95m and 110m arrive from china and india with latest 2014 technology.

nigeria is not on the list of military forces that south africa will defeat !

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Evry post you post make beliving you in the fefense idustry harder and harder.

There is no ship invisbil to radar. Even the visby can be seen. You can decrease the range of dedctsion and what you will be locked on.

Nigeria has many ships with out missiels and has not put in a order for a new ship misile or even a AGM in years.

Drankensberg has had many rfits over the years, it hull is 30 years old not it's radar, pumps, propuslion, gemorators, fire fighting sytems extra get upgraded and updated through out the years.

The pic you posted are of ships that can not fire any meanful missil and at best can fire a AGM with a anti ship war head. No threat a ship dransbers size.

No I am not a chef(navy has no chefs) but the fact you mention that shows how poor you knowlege of naval warfare is. Chefs don't just cook. They assented gunners, medics and fire fighters. The more qulfied than you would ever know.

agaugust: .



[size=18pt]Nigerian Navy orders 4 new 'Russian Tiger clone' stealth frigates[/size]



The contract is worth 11.92 billion rupees (US$213 million) and includes options for another two vessels, which can be exercised within 24 months. In this case the contract value may go up to 25.04 billion rupees (US$448 million).

the order is for 4 frigates, 2 warships confirmed, and 2 more ships on open order, making total of 4 stealth frigates.

Both vessels will be delivered in 32 months including option vessels, if exercised, Pipavav announced on August 6. Nigeria may be the source of the order as Strategic Defence Intelligence in February this year reported that Nigeria was undertaking an offshore patrol vessels contract for two vessels, to be finalised in the third quarter of this year. It is assumed that the two OPVs are in addition to the two 1 800 ton OPVs ordered by the Nigerian Navy from China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Limited on April 18 this year.

The patrol vessels will apparently be very similar to the five OPVs ordered by the Indian Navy last year. These are 110 metres long and will have a maximum speed of 24 knots. They will be armed with a 76 mm Oto-Melara guns.


weblink source http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27286:west-african-customer-buying-two-offshore-patrol-vessels-from-india&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106




Pipavav OPV are 110m, 2000-2500 tonne offshore patrol vessels with maximum speed of 24 knots and long endurance. They will be fitted with radars and EW systems supplied by Bharat Electronics Ltd and a 76-mm automatic Oto-Melara gun assembled by Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd.. As per the 'Buy Design Abroad and Build In India' clause of the contract it is based on a OPV design procured from the Severnoye ( Northern Dockyards) Ship Design Bureau located at St Petersburg, Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipavav_OPV


PIPAVAV are building five similar OPVs, reverse engineered and modified Russian-type Tiger light frigates, for the Indian Navy. So we are following the knowing footsteps of a worthy Indian Navy.

http://beegeagle./2012/08/16/nigerian-navy-lined-up-to-receive-4-new-opvs-pipavav-shipyard-win-us500-million-order2-units-with-an-option-on-a-further-2-opvs-for-west-african-client/

photos below of the russian tiger frigate cloned by india as pipav 110m frigate for nigerian navy


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You mentioned this before. It assumed you buying more 95mm(not 110m) OPVs(not frigats light or other wise)

agaugust: = quote weblink source of your weapons data of NNS ZARIA and BURUTU. i hope its not harpoon website, a fan base forum !

= the manufacturer of the two ships did NOT give details of its weapons because there is no standard weapons for it, the ships weapons are custom built to specifications of each buyer.

= for the above reason, wikipedia too does NOT detail the ships weapons to avoid misleading information to public

= navy ships from about 22m can carry missiles

= nigerian navy ordinary shaldag gunboats 25m are built to carry missiles

= NNS ZARIA and NNS BURUTU are 38m vessels superior to shaldag gunboats in all aspects

= the two ships zaria and burutu are to replace NNS ANYAM, NNS SIRI, NNS EKUN patrol boats that are over 30 years old and armed with Exocet anti-ship missiles. so you think nigerian navy admirals trained in USA are FOOLS to replace a 30 year old technology ship that is armed with missiles with a 2009 stealth technology ship armed with ordinary guns like a world war II ship ? are nigerian navy admirals F00LS ?

if i tell you nigerian air force tiny little alpha jets carry anti-ship missiles will you believe ? all alpha jets in the world are ground attack jets, nigeria has customised about 10 alpha jets to carry anti-ship missiles. you wont find any website in the whole internet that will tell you alpha jets are anti-ship aircraft, but that is what nigeria has.

have you ever seen a nigerian navy missile photo by internet search ? NO. then does that mean nigerian navy ships dont have missiles ? NO. nigerian navy ordinary patrol boats have been carrying missiles since about 30 years ago. only one photo of nigerian navy ship with missile exits on internet from nigerian navy official website and i post it below. then they did not show the real identity of that ship but people know its a patrol boat because it is small. nigerian navy will NEVER announce to anybody on internet which of its ships and boats are loaded with missiles, because they are not a photo and video making navy like south africa.

one Exocet anti-ship missile alone from NNS ZARIA can sink your SAS Drakensberg, same way one single Exocet missile sank a whole British Royal Navy 125m destroyer HMS Sheffield in falklands war.

NNS ZARIA and NNS BURUTU are missile capable 38m warships and i need to tell you that you dont know real warfare, south african navy Drakensberg ship can NEVER detect nigerian navy NNS ZARIA and NNS BURUTU because of their stealth configuration. that is worldwide scientific technology tested and proved, dont talk about scientific belief that comes from your ancestors village in south africa.

there is no electronic device in any warship in this world that will detect a stealth ship or boat and see it as an enemy naval vessel. go back to school.

Fist. Show proof they where fited to carry exocet,

Second a singel exocet will not sink drakensberg. War ships a built to be hit. Even the littel strike craft can sail(and thus fight) with up to 3 water tight compart mints flooded. It will need to be one luck missil to do a one shot kill

Third. Stealth ships get detectord all the time. If you want to fire a missiel and a distance target you need to turn on your radar or use some other advance sensore sytem. Nigeria only uses radar. So in order to fire it no longer stealth.

patriot4: By the way the Nigerian army is apolitical, there for the Chief of army staff (COAS) is not a government official.
When a man complains (every time)that he doesn't have enough of something and he gives you his account of the number of that thing which he has, then you can conclude the number is either the real number or it is lower than the real number. So you don't need to trust the COAS, just use common sense.

Once you hit genrial it all becoms pollitics. He may not be a poltistion but it becomes about poltics. Any case all milltary personal are goverment employs. I don't even trust what the SANDF all ways tells the media.

panafrican: Great, but miners won't be able to fly because they are either starved to death by mining companies or shut to death by police whenever they ask for a better pay.

No because they stupid. They want a pay increase that would see them earn more than people univirsy level educstion going high skill work that is also dangouris.

homerac7: my friend, i will be doing a very hard but thankless job by trying to re-educate you from your obvious ignorance coupled with your unteachable posture.

But you can sometimes put up some nice charisma that endears me in particular to see you from angle of innocence, so I will try for the last time here to correct your mis-information, although the original question was not even meant for you but your rabid countryman, Synerdp.







1. Same is Nigeria in S/L and Libaria (S/L Johnny Paul Koroma was trained in Nigeria Defence Academy while Charles Taylor was trained and funded by Ghadaffi/Libya/CIA. I won't like to bring up dirtier stories about S/L that never made the news given the belicose disposition of you SAns here, but believe me, it was all about blood diamond from start). Moreover, I specifically mentioned Afghanistan and Iraq, don't know how you managed to drag Korea and Vietnam in.

2. Refer to 1 above.

3. Refer to last part of 1 above.

4. US never had any threat or air combat in Iraq or Afghanistan. Vietnam was dominated wholly by US Army Air Corps (now US Air Force), in fact, it was the first war where helicopters were used by any military force. So US had field day on air in Vietnam. So also Nigeria Armed Forces.

5. leave your disillusioned countryman with corroded brain, Synerdp, to supply answer to this.

america fought a convstional war against iraq twice. both times wining due to suppery wepaons(and the fact iraq had some just pathtic wepaons like the t72 copie) afghanstan was never convsional war and the usmc only set tanks in long after the occupanshin started. covsional war has nothing to do with the people in charge or leadship. sa fought both types of war's with the same people against the same enemy. in angola it was a limted war in nambia a COIN war both times.

there where a few collsion air losses during the opeing days of both iraq wars, amrica never cleard the skys of vetnam who would could and did put up large number of air craft. in angola SA never controlded the skies but still uesd helicopters to great effect

sorry got anserw. i have spoken to iraq vets and yes to iraq, if you count scuds other than that only afghanstan counts(since vitnam is in the cold war) and there puny air force did not last 30sec

[quote author=Adura_ngba]So?[/quote]we know how to build and run airports

patriot4: total force is about 150000, excluding paramilitary. Stop changing the numbers, the army alone is more than 100000

i trust my independent sources a lot more than any government official.

homerac7: @ Andrewza


you dey crase!

walahi, your crase na first class. you need to be brought to Aro in Abeokuta in a straight jacket and muzzle for treatment. But wait, on a second thought, I am beginning to think that your government regulates what news you guys hear in that your place, otherwise I can not explain how you people got so bleeped up.

By the way, since you are either so so stupid or just plain ignorant as expressed in your reply, I hereby hand you over to God and destiny to help you as your remedy is beyond human ability; you guys are so pathetically bangedd-up! Poor souls...

But really I must say that you, andrewza, beyond the provocations in your argument are a good man. I admire your resilience and composure. But I rebuke your ignorance and obstinacy. The combination makes you come at as a lier. In whatever you do (or wherever you serve), I wish you well.

Ahoy!

so you disagree with my report on what the threat level was in wars the US took part in.

Capnd143: [b]and what if i may ask are u insinuating?
1.firstly sending large troops to mali was not on our agenda as nigeria was plague with internal insurrections in the north as well as Boko haram insugency! Those guys virtualy hide among the populace everywhere, to have an army capable of streching over the size of northen nigeria which 4 times the size of serria loene and liberia combine, and slightly larger the size of ivory coast,benin,togo and ghana combined is not an easy task! Plus the army stil have to maintain barracks and FOB'S IN WAR-PRUNE Bakassi due to consistent attack of innocent nigeria by camerounian gendermes, the still have to strech over the 3500 creaks of the niger delta, protect thousands of miles of oil pipelines, strech over our borders with other landlocked nations,protect oil rigs,go 4 UN Missions as well as provide security in central nigeria and training of troops in somalia etc! Do you realy think these duties can be undertaken by a meager man power?
2. And your idea of nigerian army being underfunded is your own cup of tea, though i must say that the army doesnt receive enough funds, bt certainly nt criticaly underfunded.
And you or perhaps you felow compatriots were arguing about nigeria military strength saying its less that 62,000! Well sory to says its 100,000
and the COAS said the have started plans to increase man power to 150,000 though most nigerians are anticipating 200,000 and more increase in defense budgets!
http://beegeagle./2013/04/16/chief-of-army-staff-calls-for-manpower-strength-to-be-increased-from-100000-to-150-000-soldiers-more-battalions-to-be-established-in-yobe-state-kafanchan-and-in-n-e-towns-of-azare-mubi-mountain/#comments

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1: if you got so many problems why you deploying in sudan and somalia.

2 Total nigerian defense force is about 100,000(excluding paramilitaries of around another 80,000 i was talking about.

yes for iraq, vietnam and korea
yes for all(taliban gets support elements from pakistan's intelligence service)
Vitcon had support from north vietnam(taliban had limited air support but it did not last the rst where state armies)
yes for iraq(after a short fight)/afghanistan but they never fully removed vietnam from the air
there is your anserw

DictatorZAR: Now I don't want to insult u but do you really think before you post such utter bull huh

How can someone who supposedly works in a defense related industry who regularly speaks and consults ex generals from the USM on military matters want to have a 38m/225t coastal patrol craft without any missiles against a 147m/12500t which is bigger then most destroyers in navies today against each other. You really amaze me sometimes with your nonsensical reasoning.

The Suncraft AKA NNS Zaria/Burutu has
-1 bofors 40mm surface gun 3nm AA/
-2 ST Kinetics 20mm surface gun 1NM AA
-2 removable machine gun pintles

Sensor Radar
-Commercial I band

Sensor EW.
-DLTV EO gunsight for 40mm gun

Sonar Sensor
-Commercial fathometer

Now @Aguagust SAN only needs to a Orxy helo to sink both of them. Without even using the Drakensburg's own defense systems.

The SAS DKN can detect those two stealth ships miles if they use such EW suits.

Drakkies can pick up a pirate skiff well beyond visual range. And was certified to carry the rooivalk. And you would have to put a lot of 40mm round in her to overwhelm her pumps

has i said here is a list of different types of military missions, i will only start from overt use of force.

peace enforcement
counter terrorism
raids and strikes
counterinsurgency
civil war
limited war
coviosnal state on state war
total war
nuke


by the way SA mission in CAR in jan was protsion of foreign asserts and peace building where it is mainly threat of force but then in a short time became a civil war.

patriot4: Once again SA overestimating its self, for god's sake lets have a war right now and see whose best.

How did you get that from my post?

NNS thunder(yes that crappy ex coast gaurd cutter) could sink drankensberg. We where laughing here when one nigerian called it a frigate. Dransfenberg is a combat support ship that is there to extended the range of other ships. But has other abliets. It can carry 100 solders, up to six boats(10m range such has a lima landing craft) and operte up to 4 orxy helcopters. But it has only enough fire power for deffense with 4 20mm and 8 12.7mm guns.

Drankensberg is the largest ship in SAN(at this time there have been larger and are plans for larger) and was diessghned and built in SA. It will give 20 to 30 years of more servis(will remian in servise in after we get the second supply ship) DKGB is classed has a combat support ship has in it supports combat ships.

Henry120: Guy listen, the nigerian civil war, biafra had air support. So yes we have.

Liberia, SLR and somalia all presented unique frontline battle challenges. They form the bedrock of urban CQC most armies world wide are currently faced with.

We did say since the biafra war. No one saying they tough but fighting a insurgentcy war, concsional war, limted war, reblion, civil unrest are diffrent. That is why chad is pulling out of malil. They know they can not fight a insurentcy style war. Nigeria has a lot of experiance in that regaurd but less in fighting a convsntional war.

Well SA founded the largest reserves of hydrogen. And are looking at ways to extracted it with out causeing harm to the envioroment.

The nigerian econmy is set to become larger than the south african economy not stronger. Nigeria has 3 times has many people than SA so the fact it is taking so long is shocking. But if you look at GDP percapita, ecomnic divirsty and industristion you will see nigeria is still far from becoming a stronger force than SA. All so SA produces a lot of luxry goods(cars, wine extra) for europe. There troubels is negtivly effecting us. That is why we shifting to inter african trade and trade to east.

agaugust:
nigeria has fought bigger wars than south africa. history says africa's biggest war involving army, navy,air force on both sides is nigeria vs B.iafra war with about 500,000 soldiers fighting. that is ten times the size of your south african vs cuba war, and their was no navy involved in your war, nigerian navy used frigates and fast attack boats against B.iafran navy medium sized fast attack boats in the war.

1st ECOMOG war in liberia involved about 30,000 rebels armed with heavy mortars,light artillery, anti-tank rockets from Ghaddafi's Libya.

nigeria deployed about 10,000 soldiers in liberia and sierra leone. our airforce alpha jets did air to ground attacks. NNS Aradu was welcomed at monrovia liberian port with shells from 105mm artillery of charles taylor, and ARADU replied with her 127mm gun.

2nd ECOMOG war in sierra leone involved about 40,000 rebels of different factions merged together.

war is war, whether civil war or international war, all war kills people and uses weapons.

nigeria has not fought war against another country simply because no country has tried to challenge nigeria to war, every nation fears nigerian military power displayed in action since 1969 till 2013, and i dont blame them, who wants to fight a nigerian army that has never lost any battle, never fought to a draw, never retreated, never surrendered, never ran away from a peace-keeping operation combat in a foreign land.

who is the F00L that will challenge the giant of africa to battle ? are you the F**L ? are you in a hurry to go to heaven ?


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you correct but the largest combind arms battel was fought in angola, all so bifar war was long time ago. and there was navy involved in the cuban war. it was just one sided and corvert ops. check your history.


and sa took part in both world wars and the korean war.

The rebels in SL and liberia where poorly led and had zero training. And nigeria did walk all over them. There is a mover called rebel made in liberia that show the war from the point of few from a squade of cilde solders and a young girl trying to escape with her cripled farther. There all so a number of documntries on that war.

Yes we all know you sent 10 times has many troops there than malil.with forghine help of course.

All war is not war. I don't have the document with me but I will post all the levels of milltary intervension. But a person in your line of work should know that.

SA dose not fear you. We where sailing draknsberg around your neck of the wood even with your complants. Mend did not fear nor BH


Nigeria the CLAY giant of africa.