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homerac7: gradually you are owning up. If there's something you sincerely don'y know, ask me properly and I might tell you. I will allow you an escape route here...



Guy, I don't need your plethora of self-serving questions. If there's something you mean to say , just say it. That those dudes are rebels and warfare was unconventional doesn't make it not modern. If you think otherwise, expose yourself again....

SL and liberia where not modern combat. Know modern C4I3R sytems where put to the test. A lot of sytems nigeria has now where unheard of back then, there was no EW,ECCM used or needed. The war in angola feilded far more modern and advance sytems and it was fough a few years before them.

How many people know that there are three companys in japan that make critcal componits for the Apach helicopter or that isreal uses germian disghend and built engiens in there tanks and APC or that the M1 MBT has a germain 120mm gun the world is inter conected. According to nigerian logic israly tanks are now german.

I better nigerians don't know about Cummins. They make engiens disghind and built in SA for all our milltary vechiles including the ones from BAE land sytem SA.witch is a SA company and a BEE company has well.

homerac7: You have many things confused and worse is that you are very obstinate about it.

Have you considered from whta i just told you about Nigeria's manpower challenges that that may be a major problem that the UN is talking about? Do you realize that Nigeria is approaching an election year which is seen as a critical one? So you really expect her to tie-up her military in foreign duties? Guy, drop it!

Again, why are you insisting that Nigeria has excess hands when the CAS himself has said openly that his men are over-stretched? Isn't this why I said earlier that you are silly sir? What makes you think you know better than him? So also at the other time, I saw you argueing that Civil Defence Corps are part of military, where did you read that from?

"Proper and trusted source" against the words of the man that heads the institution himself? this is so so ridiculous sir.

Of course, SA was still under the curse of apartheid when Nigeria went to war in Liberia so I guess you guys missed the news. Oh, what about when Nigeria went to war in Sierra Leone? You guys were asleep then or what? How about Second Liberia civil war, does it sound to you like it was a riot?

You mean that Nigeria is a sell out to foreigners because we opened our doors to SA businesses?




The above reasoning explains depth of your confusion. So because FORD has an assembly plant in SA so it is now SAn? Egbami ke? Ok, Google is now Chinese because it has large office in China. Nokia is Indian because it has a big assembly plant in India. Does it still make sense?

So you saying nigeria may collapse in to civil war during a election.

Never thought the over stretched because they under funded, if nigeria has a army of 120,000 that would make them very badly underfunded, SA with a defense force is 62,000 and get 2 billion USD more than nigeria(3 billion for nigeria and 5 for sa) and is seen has underfunded.


Nigerians like to throw the propaganda around, and is words where in the defense of Nigeria, if you included paramilitary the numbers add up.

Those where a long time ago and not seen has modern. And nigeria did some not so nice things there.
(due to early discussion we will not post those videos again)

no because you let france, us and others control the area, even Africon talks about this, and mentions how SADC is against any foreign influence at all. Also notice how we have no civil wars in SADC

We don't have a assembly(ok we do for some things) plants we manufacture. There are american cars(built in america) using ford engines built in south africa.

homerac7: Arrrgggh! my friend, i have seen that discussion long time ago, and it does not in any way try to claim that Sierra Leone was Nigeria's operation. So stop grasping at straws.

Then, since Mercedece Benz plant in Enugu, Nigeria is managed by Nigerians, then it is a Nigerian company. Coca Cpla Nigeria is Nigerian Company, ditto Mobil, Texaco, BP, Shell, Toyota, etc. Does that sound brilliant to you?

yes if they run by nigerians they nigerian but since SA produces 80% of all cars in africa it means nothing, nigeria is the second biggest export of those cars after algeria(excluding SADC since they not listed has exports)those oil companies are not run by local or if they are they stand back has the vast majority of the revenue is sent out of the country. a good way to know if it is a local branch is looking at the name example ford in SA is called FORD SA

did i say they where weak, i said they where not fighting and so malili proofs nothing.And we not running from CAR there is no mandate for us to be in CAR.

BH is a terrorist group now and has no military force. Iraq, Afghanistan SA used police in SWA and solders in Angola.

I never praised chad, i said they where actually fighting.

It has been reported that the African forces will not be able to hold that ground.

I gave a proper and trusted source, since nigerians say every thing from say is propaganda why cant i say the same thing, all so i pointed out that if you include paramilitary forces the numbers add up.

Nigeria has more than enough men to send 3000 solders or one brigade.

so you denia that west africa including nigeria are sell outs to foreigners.

when has nigerian been tested in a real war in modern time.

homerac7: @ Andrewza,

You can lie!

Anyone who doesn't know better will think what he's saying is true. Guy, how did useless SANDF mercenaries stop the war in Sierra Leone? Abi you dey crase ni? When the whole world knows Nigeria literally single handedly stopped the war, now you got drunk from cheap rum and you come here to tell us that your useless SANDF won WW2 for Allied Forces. Guy, walahi you don crase finally!

Again, does presence of BMW, BAE Systems and host of other western industries in SA make them SA companies? You and your lying brothers come here and pervade the whole places with your plethora of lies about things that are not. Next thing you will tell us is how SA sold nuclear technology to US, ...how 300 SANDF went to space to fight aliens for training,...how SANDF soldiers who were sent to fight in Nigeria civil war captured Ojukwu and handcuffed and took him away to CIV,...how 300 Spartan soldiers were SANDF, ...Spartacus and Jack Bauer are SANDF soldiers....bla bla bla

Guy, give it up, your lies no dey sell again. Shuo? I guess they train you in SAN to lie stupidly, abi?

Come o, abi Pinky and the Brain sef na SANDF guys?

go read up what you beloved beagel said of EO

BAE is not in SA BAE owns majority shares in OMC, The full name of the company is BAE OMC land systems south africa, the company is 100% run by SA. All those other foreign companies in SA are Run by south africans, germany dose not send people to run Mercedes south africa.

I never mentioned how we sold nuke tech to you, it is well known that russia is helping you.


If you want to think all those things go head but i never said them.

Henry120: You are completely high on alcohol.

Where did I say my news was gotten from a newS agency??

I wrote down here that my report is/are gotten from men on the ground in mali.

If you cant name a source dont post it here, that puts troops in danger. There are many things i know that i don't post because it has not been mentioned before.

Those pics are not from the front line, Nigeria have cobras if they where in the front line they would use cobras no pick up trucks.

sheyie2007: just curious, what have you proven?

i ment disproven

Henry120: You are a cheap liar andrewza, did I not post photos of nigerian troops on patrol? Damn!!!

All photos I posted are from soldiers on the frontline, SELEKA dis armed SA incompetent soldiers off their weapons and cars in CAR. Don't come here and tell cheap lies.

Patrol done where, i never said that nigeria was not in Malil i said the reports are that they only doing rear area security. There are no media on the front line in Malil france dose not allow it.

I have proven that so many times yet nigerians still are going on and on about it.

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Has Nigerian military recorded any combat failure or defeat in mail ? If any post it with Proof. If none, then keep quiet.

The world does NOT award marks/score to a student until the end of his test/exams.

Common sense

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Has nigeria taken part in any combat in malili. Currently only local forces, france and chad have taken on the rebels.And Chad has confirmed they will pull out all there forces has they do not want to fight a Insurgent based war. So the most definitely not under nigerian control.

Chad has suffered 30 death.

patriot3: Leader of the African forces in Mali: Nigerian Major General Abdulkadir Shehu.
And it seems to me that in a previous post, someone gave proof of seleka rebels now cruising SA military vehicles in great numbers. By the way, do you expect me to do research on EO or to read the propaganda the SA govt put in place for them ? You see, I don't take propaganda as proof.

Show me proof of nigerian troops taking charge and rooting out rebels. The commander may be a nigerian. But that dose not mean nigerian troops are in charge.

And then I pointed out they where not in SA hands when seleka got them but had been given to the goverment of CAR. Most where not even lost in a fight but when car solders jumped ship.

EO has nothing to do with the SA goverments. Even beagel has a wright up of what they did.

patriot3: You have just changed your story again: first you said your few mercenaries brought peace to SL faster and better than ecomog. Now you are saying they secured the mines!!!
Man there is a difference between using hellicopters to bomb mines (indicriminately killing every body near the mine) and using infantry to do the hard work. Your claim does not make sense. And you did get overran in CAR: your armed vehicles are now in SELEKA's hands, and your troops have fled CAR. This is your ultimate slap in the face.
And Nigeria is not sitting back in Mali, it is leading the entire African forces there including the chadians (who recently opted to be Under our orders).

You still have done no reshearch on EO. You reply is proof.

I have mentioned it and will do so again. SA gave CAR 1 billion rands worth of wepaons and gear. Including vechicles from the mission in CAR. No working vechicle where capturd from the SANDF. No SA flag was captured. This has been mentioned before.

Show proof nigerians solders are taking the lead. Many posts and threads have posted showing how nigeria is only doing rear gaurd work and not hunting for rebels.

http://beegeagle./2013/01/23/young-officers-of-the-nigerian-air-force-design-build-drone-at-the-aircraft-design-centre-made-in-nigeria-trainer-aircraft-possible-in-five-years/


It not going to be a jet aircraft. But a prop air craft like the pitlus P7 or AHRLAC

patriot3: First os all, I can't believe an intelligent soldier would say what he said about Sierra Leone. How can you say your few mercenaries brought peace faster than ecomog ? Are you kidding ? Your mercenaries took refuge in Nigerian military camps, that is how they survived. The only action your mercenaries did was to use heavy fire power undiscriminately on civilians and RUF fighters. This is what I hate here: the South african mercenaries were 200, and the RUF rebels were 30000, yet you claim the mercenaries defeated the rebels. Well howcome you got overran by 1000 child soldiers in CAR ?

You should do actual reshearch on Extutive out come (EO) they where able to clear the diomand mines with only a handfull of solders and a hind.


Fist we never got over run by the rebels in CAR, seconded there where more than 3000 rebels of whom any where from 400 to 1000 where killed, third air support EO had helicopters the SANDF in CAR did not.

Capnd143: i like arguing with pride bt when i see the truth i accept unlike some SA Guys i knw of(name withheld to avoid namecalling)! SA is truely ahead of nigeria in terms of defense aero-technology bt i wouldnt obvioulsy accept the fact that you think because SA is ahead then nigeria must be stagnant!0
because of your sense of degradation i guess you havnt heard of the "FARAWA I Trainer and light role bomber jet" whose design was completed and presented to C of AIR Staff during the unveiling of the nigerian built "bomb diffusing robot". And also during the unvieling of amebo iii.

Can I get a link on the Farawa. I am awar of the rest.

all4naija: I am glad I can make you laugh for once!

I have clarify why Nigeria military is most dreaded force in Africa in my previous comment prior to this your response. If we are to go by your assertion that Nigerian military could get rid of Boko Haram then we will begin to start looking at the most powerful nations combined in their efforts to fight terrorism around the world without huge success. It is the same terrorists agenda that almost bankrupt USA we are talking about here. You must be very myopic to start thinking along this unreasonably line.

The ECOWAS has effectively succeeded in bringing peace to some war torn nations within the sub-region. It is clear the Southern African counterpart couldn't bring normalization, with the advanced equipment you claimed your military possessed,to close a neighbor of Zimbabwe only to start attacking and burning alive those who fled that country to SA in xenophobic inclinations. I would buy you beer and seat your a$$ down any day to prove to me nations SA has effectively succeeded in bring peace in Africa than mouthing around the concerted efforts of many forces in Africa to bring peace to Sudan has though it is SA payoff military handwork.

I do not hate SA. You keep repeating this annoying words whenever I stand to point out things as they are. Please, stop inputting things that will incite hatred because I am completely against such thing in this forum. How in your obsessed mind would you keep fabricating this very notion to make me looks as somebody who hates SA? Desist from using that word HATE for me in this forum because I don't like it.

On the matter of drones, I am not saying any nonsense. Most of your drones are aged and can not be effective for most modern spy or else they will be dropped down by a single shot of K47. The drone you posted their images look like my younger sister's toys. Don't get mad at me they look just like it. Another thing, they are not fully SA technology!

Terrosime has nothing to do with amricas econmic problems. And BH is a police matter. Malil on the other hand shows you unable or unwililing to take the fight to the front line.


There are no wars in SADC. Show me one cliam of SA solders murdring a forighiner and buring them alive. Because the army is the one who steped in and stoped the riots. Mainly because they don't use rube bullits and will shoot you in the back when you run away after runing out of ammo. So SA put a end to the killings in. And SA intervend alone in burrindie with others joining only latter.


You just shown you know nothing. SA has many drones. All of the ones listed are brand new producstion. The SEEKER 400 is all so a UCAV and can carry guided missiels. All of them have sercure data link, the world class and have been sold to a number of ritch countries.

all4naija: India and China are seen as powerful in relation to their population when it comes to militarization. It is only when it is Nigeria numbers don't count. What an arguably the right way to go to make your country looks more powerful in the eyes of the readers. That is clearly a hypocritical view. In a modern warfare population as well as equipment count. We are not in the generation past where numbers don't count due to some countries possessing the technology to highly deadly weapons. We are quite aware of what is happening in Iran and North Korea that money can purchase these powerful equipment and at the say time pay for training of the military personnels to deploy them, just to say the least.

I have been anchoring on Nigeria be able to use its military might to bring peace to many African nations including your less tantamount SA indirectly. Maybe it is during the Apartheid regime or the exchanges of information. It is pathetic to ignore its strength for the good of the continent than just coming here to flaunt SA petty military manpower leaving aside its equipment .

On the issue of deploying military personnels and heavy equipment the country is by and large has the capabilities, with various war vehicles, which are mainly carried out by the Nigerian Military Supply And Transport(NMST or simply S&T). It is a well co-ordinated logistical part of the military responsible for the movement of heavy equipment within and outside the region. Indeed, it can only be compared to the Russians and Indians as most of the equipment and training materials are from those nations. Your very idea to bring Nigerian military down failed in this aspect of your inability to see where Nigerian army is coming from.

It is obvious you laid claim to how your 3000 armed forces fought the Cuban/Angola to a draw. Which point out that they neither win that fight nor lose. In the case of Nigeria, few hundreds have won a war in some towns in Liberia and Sierra Leon and just to mention a few. I quite understand how you try to buttress the effectiveness of SA military beyond normal only to prove one reason why they are continuously asked by your country to withdraw from CAR. That alone has put a dent on your military and put to shame your idea to paint it beyond necessarily required of it. It is clear they failed woefully in CAR and almost fell prey to the rebel group.

SA was not the only nation that fought in keeping peace in Sudan. Our strong military force who were murdered in the cause of keeping peace stood their ground to the last spilling of blood. They were caught on aware for the truth that as disciplined personnels they are not to shoot at people indiscriminately as SA army did in CAR to prove they fought well still. After the accusation of abuses leveled against out troupes in Liberia and Sierra Leon it becomes very clear the reason those men where killed in Sudan.

The Nigeria Navy built their drone, just one. The one which were bought from the Israelis were never used. In fact they are still in the hanger of an airport in the Southern part of the country. If those are the ones you are talking about they are capable of outsmarting the SA's because they are modern and better ones available in the market,dude.

China had a massive army for many many years. Same has india. But they where not seen has a threat for a long time. Now in the current days both india and china are spending great effort to improve there milltary. People don't fear chianas army for, its size alone. It is both large, well trained and advanced. Both china and inda have a masive industral streghth to fall back on. Nigeria has only got numbers.


If nigeria has got milltary might why are they taking a back foot in Malili, and in siere leon nigeria a few hundred SA mercs brought peace faster than ecomog. Both of us are in sudan. SA stoped a genozide in burrinde we in the DRC
All nigeria has is numbers. There adavance wepaons are in such low numbers has to be no threat.

You really think that any body will beife that. Nigerian troops threatened to go on a rampage in sudan because they where left there.

SA won every fight they took part in, in angola. The draw comes from both Cuba and SA agreeing to pull out before the fighting escolated. And we where not fighting rebels in angola. Russia spent more money supporting the angolan war than Afghanstan and used it to field test there new wepaons. SA was fighting a force that was far larger and in many areas more advanced. Nigeria has never fought a full on army where the other side was actually far stronger than them.



How did SA solders shoot indisctrnty in CAR. Show us one cliam we even hurt a civlian. Nigeria on the other handed has out righ murded anarmend people or allow it to take place before them. So don't act high and mighty.


If the israle drones are never used then why did you by 2 batches. And show proof that you useing a home grown drone over them.

agaugust: Former U.S. Air Force Secretary Thomas Reed knows nuclear bombs better than most people. For starters, he designed two of them when he worked at the Livermore National Laboratory as a weapons designer.

His new book is titled The Nuclear Express: A Political History of the Bomb and Its Proliferation.

He was asked questions and he answered as a great nuclear technology expert. Quoted below :

" Why, as you say in the book, did the Chinese give the technology to Pakistan?

Pakistan can be explained by a balance of power: India was China's enemy and Pakistan was India's enemy.

The Chinese did a massive training of Pakistani scientists, (just like the Russians had done for them) brought them to China for lectures, even gave them the design of the CHIC-4 device, which was a weapon that was easy to build a model for export. There is evidence that A.Q. Khan used Chinese designs in his nuclear designs.


Notes from those lectures later turned up in Libya, for instance. And the Chinese did similar things for the Saudis, North Koreans, and the Algerians.

Did the Chinese further assist in the Pakistan program?

Under Pakistani president Benazir Bhutto, the country built its first functioning nuclear weapon. We believe that during Bhutto's term in office, the People's Republic of China tested Pakistan's first bomb for her in 1990.There are numerous reasons why we believe this to be true, including the design of the weapon and information gathered from discussions with Chinese nuclear experts. That's why the Pakistanis were so quick to respond to the Indian nuclear tests in 1998. It only took them two weeks and three days."

i am waiting for you to reply the above post @andrewza, then ask me again where i work. i am not proud ,but i am confident.



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I agree china helped pakstan. But pakstan did all the work them selef. No one gave them the bomb they still had to make it them self. And nigeria could pull that off.

agaugust: Quote source to prove your above claim.

Stop talking your personal opinion into peoples innocent minds.

radioactive nuclear materials are the most dangerous particles in all scientific discovery on earth, its effect has no cure.

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I did NBCD. Radestion may be dangourise but if I detonate one in a air port that airport is invected. Certain biological agents will travel with the host. Invecting more and more people.

And rastion poisning is not 100% fatal

agaugust: You deliberately cut off the other half of what she said, so I will post it so you don't confuse people.


Ms DeYOUNG : "And the Pakistanis, you know, they've gotten reactors from China. They've gotten assistance from other countries, and they've figured out how to put it together and make enough materials to produce the number of warheads that they feel like they need. "


Ms.DeYOUNG is a journalist not a scientist or military expert, she may not say things technically. The technical fact is that when china built nuclear reactors for Pakistan the have already done the most important job, because no nuclear reactor, no nuclear bomb, simple principle of physics.

She also said pakistan got assistance from other countries in addition to China's major help. Building a nuclear bomb is very easy after someone helps you to build nuclear reactor, the rest is just mixing radioactive material in a safe and correct formula, then you have a nuclear bomb.

Even ordinary Islamic terrorists are said to be capable of producing very weak nuclear bombs nicknamed dirty bombs , and America is afraid of that because all you need is a scientist called nuclear physicist and you get a nuclear bomb from your nuclear reactor.


That's why Iran is trying to make nuclear bomb after Russia built nuclear reactor for them.

Simple facts for those who want to use their brains.

The rest described what that support was. And the meer fact of a reactore dose not mean you will have a nuke.


Dirty bombs are not a big threat. They no more dangouriss(acttually less) than a chemical or biological wepaone.

agaugust: .



Don't change topic to Russia and Britain. Don't be a fraud and deceiver, you said china did not help Pakistan build nuclear bomb, post source to prove your claim the same way i posted source to prove you wrong.

I am waiting for you @andrewza, many people are reading your posts and reading my posts too, they will judge us....and you will disgrace your south Africa with your Fraudulent claims and embarrass your countrymen in nairaland.



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Your own link support what I said.

Ms. DeYOUNG: Well, I think initially they had some assistance from China and other places, but a lot of it they've developed themselves.




That was from you own source.

agaugust: Quote source for your claims.

are you sure you are a normal human being ? I am quoting sources but you have no source to quoute and yet you continue to dispute what I say.

did many herbalists join hands together to enchant you in south Africa ? what kind of human being are you @andrewza ? you use narcotic drugs ?

Look at the year pakstan detonated there first nuke. The was no threat of musiulm extremists.

Who where the sicsentest that bulit pakstans nuke. Even the USSR has smuggeld datta from amrica including complet diagrames.

I don't need to post a source for things that should be common knowlege for you. The russian spy hellped 3 countries get the nuke. The USA where he worked on project manhatam, the brits with technical support and the USSR because he was actually a spy.

Agaugust what is the name of the company you work for.

agaugust: your claim has no source. My own claim has many sources.

@andrewza you are a disgrace to the white race for your open and deliberate dishonesty.

China helped Pakistan build nuclear bomb. Its a common topic in my office when a retired CIA agent comes to see my boss.

It is also public free knowledge here in America, south Africa is a prison cage so you missed the global news.


you like asking people to post sources and prove claims, yet you post so many claims with no source proof. You are a shame, big shame to the white race, the white men around me here don't behave like you.


here is my own web link source.

World known truth, China helped Pakistan build nuclear bomb and got money for that deal.

we link source :

In what way did china help. The same way a USSR spy helped the brits and russians.

Simpily fact is that pakstan did all the actull work.

And when they did it there was no major threat from extrimst takeing over the country.

agaugust: i proved you wrong, you over-rated south African weapons manufacturing achievements, admit it and don't become the most deceitful white man I will ever know.

You tried to receive Nigerians here on nairaland, and I stopped you. Hate me for it, I don't care !


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Over rated. We 17 largest in the world. There are more deffense companies in SA than there are products nigeria can call home grown. So please mr fake don't act a fool.

agaugust: China helped Pakistan to build nuclear bomb.


Russia helped India to build nuclear bomb


i know retired CIA agents who have seen files evidence that confirms the above, even though it is public known information for the people who followed TV news when Pakistan and India tested their first Atomic bombs.


@andrewza you need to rebuild your credibility and reliability on this forum, watch what you say so that you won't look like a comedian instead of a soldier.


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The help china and russia gave where minor.


You lost all credbilty long ago. You seem to have zero understanding on deffense sytems what so ever.

agaugust: .

Hawk Jet is British BAE company product 100%. Impala is Italian Aeramacchi MBB Jet 100%, Italians gave you license to assemble the body using italian fully built jet engines shipped to south Africa from Italy
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i posted sources that proved you wrong on all these false weapons manufacturing claims. Do you want people to laugh at you again on this forum ? I can post it again if you don't stop twisting the truth.

Stop stealing European countries glory and then claim it for south Africa, then you say i am a liar. What are you yourself @andrewza ?


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Fact remians we have built air jet air craft in sa. Somthing nigeria has not done in all there years. The best they can do is build copies of ground vechils and small arms. And make copies of 1960 era AFV.