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homerac7: una still dey follow these dingbat South Africans? Them lie pass devil himself, the worst set of hypocrites I have seen in my life!

Imagine their reasoning....SA na heaven, other places na hell. WTF!!!

SELEKA trounced them, yet they come here to make mouth. Can you believe that?

Now, the link below is the evidence to prove that all what they have been shamelessly saying here about their disgraceful Nigeria-military-wanna-be mission in CAR is blatant lie that they know of or just gullible enough to be swooned by their lying government. Even members of their parliament proved that the facts don't add up.

WARNING - it is a long script, but very worthwhile in face of these lying bats from pit of hell.

link is below:


http://www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Africa_8/Mapisa-Nqakula-s-Briefing-on-CAR.shtml

Your link proofs what.

I have siad from the start

SA was not there to fight the rebels. The rebels had out side help. The poltsions fiald in there duties and the SANDF forces on the ground inflicted heavy losses on the rebels and completed there goal of protecting SANDF aserts.


Your own source proofes that. So thank you.

agaugust: I work in defense industry and I know what I know for sure you CANNOT shake my confidence. I dey kampe.

Its you I should ask if you are a combat soldier in south African navy or you are there as a cook/chef.

You always have a BIG PROBLEM understanding multi-role weapons. do I have to teach you like a school boy? I quoted beegeagle source and he has reputation for knowledge of inside details of Nigerian military equipments.

Beegeagle says Nigeria has 7 of its 21 Augusta AW 109 as attack version. So because you don't want to believe beegeagle report does that remove the weapons from Nigerian armoury ?

For your info, even Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunships are half transport multi-role weapon, so is your brain able to understand Nigerian Terminator and Augusta weapons capability now ? Or you need further education ?

Your south African navy rank must be very low like a sergeant or coporal, seaman or rating equivalent.

Look up the k car and g car model aleote 3. Those where armend versions. At no point where they attack helcopters. Even the lynxe AT version is not called a attach helicopter.

The hind has been called a assult helicopter but has it is the only of it's class it is grouped under attack helicopters.


Are you sure you work for the deffense industry.

Capnd143: hahahaha. I would realy like to meet you one day bro. You keep insisting on this your "PER CAPITA DELUSIONAL GRANDEUR". Considering your huge 50million populace, i dnt think per capita counts, maintiaining an army of 500,000 wouldnt have been a big deal so that you wil not only send more per capita but also more GDP.(Gross domestic Man-Power)!. Nigerians are pressuring ministry of defense to increase troop strength every day and here you are talking of per capita?

Total SANDF permant force is small than the nigerian army. Our army permant force is under 50 000. We spend about 1.4% of our GDP on deffense and the defense review will give a increase to 2%. Nieth will sustian a proper milltary of 500 000. Remember we spend a lot more on training than other african countries.

souldust: stop talking what you do not know. Can you match Naija's over 50 years of active participation in anything africa? Or you want me to remind you that you are just getting involved in the continents affairs. For much of africas post independence history, you were more like an outcast. No pun intended.

Talking about aid, do you know that at a point, Naija was giving 30thousands barrels of oil to an african country for one month when their economy was in REAL trouble?

Do you know how much we have spent on africa ranging from military intervention to financial aid over a period of 50 years? It is over 10bn dollars! Now go and match that before you come here and talk nonsense.

It seams many SAs are not exposed so they stay in their "most dev" african country and they have a false idea of other people.

One thing i know this thread has achieved is that it has helped the SAs here to know that they are not what they think they are and others are not the sh!t you think we are.

Don't brag about the past. 50 years ago SA was about to start a full blown war with the communist world. I am talking about the to day and now.

souldust: @sithwelthe chinese cannot really 'rub off', as you put it, in nigeria. I am sure you know how ethnocentric they are. The cultural revolution of the 60s should readily comes to mind.

as for the other races, like the tuaregs, come and watch them speak pidgin english. They speak it like every other nigerian with the exact accent. So that if you did not see them...say they are in a room and you are in another room, you will not suspect that the person speaking is tuareg. They greet very much like the yoruba for those of them who live in the western part of Naija. Thats a rubing off of culture!

I though tuaregs where nomad and held no country has there own?

souldust: @sithwell we talk about our blackness becos race does not really matter to us. And also at independence, our country was founded on that black awareness. And in the words of one of our founding fathers Dr Nnamdi Azikwe, "it is nigeria's destiny to lead africa to great hieghts". No wonder we participate so much in Africals peace keeping mission. No wonder we give grants and Aid to so many african countries. No wonder we have judges serving as chief justices in other african countries, no wonder we have soldiers serving as service shiefs and they are on our payroll.

So when you hear @augagust mention our achievements and say "the first black people to do this...do that", then you can understand where he is coming from and what fuels his passion and enthusiasm.

There is no white man in Naija that will tell you we relate to him in a discriminating manner.

You do know the SANDF sends more per capita and no african country can match SA in terms of providing foreign aid.

souldust: there are no political party catering for any religion or ethnic group what so ever. Stop lieing. You are begining to lose your reputation on this forum with your malicious lies. Pls stop it before you become irrelevant like your compatroits, snydergp and msauza

infact at the 2011 elections, the main opposition party ACN which has its stronghold in the western states (Yorubaland) with Lagos as its strongest hold, fielded a fulani northern muslim as its presidential candidate.

If there is a source to support your claim why dont you just post it.

At what point did you see the word "nigerian" politcal parties.

The claim was that seperstion was all was polical. I point out that parties can be relgouses or tribal.

Defense web( I will not post the artical. Every defense web link I post gets me banned) puts current rebel losses at between 600 to 1000.

Capnd143: your making assertions due to tribal e-wars is a fallacy!
Even as the south claim to hate the north, let the SA's try invading a northen state, and wait and see the reaction of the south! I guess you have never heard the BBC severally used the phrase, "the land of contradiction" to describe nigeria, guess why? Because today we fight each other bt tomorow we join hands to fight a common enemy!

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go to Bbc and search for nigerian fuel subsidy protest article, there you would see how the world was marvelled at the spirit of nigerian unity! "where southern christians formed human shields to protect northern muslims from security forces while the muslims where praying during the protest"
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Go to the ant and learn it ways and become wise oh thou sluggard- tim maxwell

the reports of muslims blowing them self up to kill christians and raids on christians villages out way them.

sheyie2007: The dude is stup!d.... if regions want to break away, its mainly for political reasons.. andrewza fvck up

There parties that cater for different religions and tribes are there not.

sheyie2007: Ohh breaking away was ur observation? you're stup!d

You saying there are not people dreaming of bifra

sheyie2007: example of tribal problems you've observed?

Raids on isolated christian villages

agaugust: [size=16pt]

maybe your head is yet to recover from the Seleka CAR rebels shocking blow. [/size]


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You are the one making a F00L of yourself because there are many weblink sources I posted above including Beegeagle. In past pages I also posted a whole full page details of Sweden arms log confirming they are armed transport helicopters with anti-tank missiles and cannons.

You display a lot of ignorance nowadays as a military man, I am a civilian, should I be teaching you about helicopter gunships ? Or you are blind and cannot read the details in those web links sources ?


Your problem is that you choose to lie and deny the truth because I just proved Nigeria has 55 helicopter gunships outnumbering south African 11 units tiny force.

Many people are reading your posts and my own, and if you continue like this the people who respected you before will change their minds about you.

Nigeria will roast south Africa like chicken barbecue. What your army suffered in the hands of Selena rebels in CAR is still a tiny bit of what Nigerian army will do to you in real war, not on internet. [/b]

Putting weapons on transport helicopter dose not make it a attack helicopter. You can(and has been done) mount weapons on a orxy. Are they now attack helicopters, how about the lynx or our A109s witch are the same helicopter has those in nigeria.

I have yet to see a nigerian A109 or Mi17 with AGMs, yes they can carry, but i don't think they do.

And the force we had in CAR was not even a spec of what we have and they still killed around 500 enemy rebels. So nigeria dose not fear me.

You seem to not under stand weapons and military systems at all. You sure you work in the field.

agaugust: [size=16pt]

maybe your head is yet to recover from the Seleka CAR rebels shocking blow. [/size]


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You are the one making a F00L of yourself because there are many weblink sources I posted above including Beegeagle. In past pages I also posted a whole full page details of Sweden arms log confirming they are armed transport helicopters with anti-tank missiles and cannons.

You display a lot of ignorance nowadays as a military man, I am a civilian, should I be teaching you about helicopter gunships ? Or you are blind and cannot read the details in those web links sources ?


Your problem is that you choose to lie and deny the truth because I just proved Nigeria has 55 helicopter gunships outnumbering south African 11 units tiny force.

Many people are reading your posts and my own, and if you continue like this the people who respected you before will change their minds about you.

Nigeria will roast south Africa like chicken barbecue. What your army suffered in the hands of Selena rebels in CAR is still a tiny bit of what Nigerian army will do to you in real war, not on internet. [/b]

Putting weapons on transport helicopter dose not make it a attack helicopter. You can(and has been done) mount weapons on a orxy. Are they now attack helicopters, how about the lynx or our A109s witch are the same helicopter has those in nigeria.

I have yet to see a nigerian A109 or Mi17 with AGMs, yes they can carry, but i don't think they do.

And the force we had in CAR was not even a spec of what we have and they still killed around 500 enemy rebels. So nigeria dose not fear me.

You seem to not under stand weapons and military systems at all. You sure you work in the field.

agaugust: Stop telling lies here, quote your source of details about Nigerian BTR-U anti tank vehicle and prove your point, I have posted my source many pages back and its Sweden arms log, what is your own source ? Post it for us to see and you stop making a F00L of yourself, you are a grown up adult I guess.

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Your own source gave what type of BRT3 u you have. Only one country hase the gaurdian turret and it is not Nigeria.

souldust: it is so funny that these SAs look at NL and conclude that we are at war. What we have in Nigeria is what we have in other parts of the continent. It is called the "disease of the berlin conference" which in the case of Naija was made worse by 1914..

As we speak, these is a sessionist feeling in the area around mumbasa in kenya. In ghana, there is a similar sentiment so that ghana has about 7 thousand refugees in next door Togo. It is basically a problem we face across the length and breadth of the continent.

The reason you hear it in Naija more is not that it happens more but that it is Nigeria. Like it or not, we occupy a special place among a people of this world. What gives us that place is not just our number, fact! You can go on ahead to disagree with that it doesnt change anything.

Stop with the exuses. SA had the same thing. At want point SA was 4 countries britsh south africa, 2 boer republic and the Zulu kingdom. We have 11 diffrent languges. Yet we don't dream of breaking away from each other or blow up each other.

Henry120: And south africa is not? Even among you white south africans, you hate and are suspicious of each other. The afrikanner is suspicious of the English speaking white and vice versa.

Really. I have not noticsed that.

sheyie2007: you're getting it wrong bro, the tribal e-war yiu witness here, is just fun.. don't be too quick to conclude.. if nigeria has no unity, we should be like iraq now ...

Funny thing is that before the fall of saddam there where no bombings.

And Nigeria has a lot of tribal and relgiouse problems. You can't deni it.

sheyie2007: Besides, why would you utter such! Ok.. venda, zulu xhosa hate themselves, there's no unity amongst them

No one hates the venda. Zulu and xhosa had a sort of civil war in the early 1990s. But has of to day the vilonce is minumil and more politcal.

ANC is a xhosa party but Zuma is a Zulu.

sheyie2007: Read what he posted very well dude.. "if there were"

I was pointing out that there is not. So what is the point.

And that they would have been driven out of the country. Look at Africa in the 1960s. Many had large number of whites who where forced to flee.

homerac7: I wish I can, but your antecedents with those who have argued with you earlier doesn't encourage me. You twist and turn logic just to protract arguments, which I don't have time for. But I will try to oblige you for sake of respect I have for you among your peers;

i. What was your mandate in CAR?

ii. Did you succeed with your mandate?

Answer to those questions is what you seek sir.

Our maindat was to train the ar of CAR and intergrastion of the rebel forcese.

We trained them but you can lead a donky to water but not make it drink. Though those we did train jumped ship and joinded the rebels

Intergrasion never started since there was never enough peace.



The seconded force that was sent in jan this year had the mandate for the protecstion of SANDF asserts and this they completed. And no point did rebels breach the base and they suferd heavy losses. One rebel captian siad he alone lost half of his 500 strong group.

Lowest estermits put rebel losses at 400 highest at 600 most say 500. Sa lost 13 dead and there is phiscaly no way to hide a death in the SANDF it could not even be done in the SADF could get it right. And 27 wounded of those less than 10 are still in hospital. Many where discharged with in a day.


There where misstakes in the CAR disater but they where not at a milltary level but a politcal level.

souldust: @SAs talking about diversity, we are far more diverse than SA so we know what diversity is all about. Skin color and hair texture amounts to nothing but pigment and DNA. Real diversity is in culture and not skin color. Imagine a country where there are over 250 ethnics groups with different languages, customs, traditions, rites, rituals, values, fashion, cuisine etc.

The reason we separate the whites from the blacks when comparing SA to Naija in this forum is not to make it easy for us to defeat you in arguement but that it is the right thing to do.

The whites came to SA from europe with all the knowledge of how the present day world would work. We just had to start learning during colonialism so that we got our first set of universities in '62 thats two years after independence. At this time, SA already had unis churning out thousands of graduates.

It will be so unfair to put you together with the whites when comparing you to any other African country.

Nigeria is not diverse it is tribal. Each group dislikes and even hates each other. Nigeria has no unity. This very forum is proof.

agaugust: @andrewza and @Dictator ZAR, i will soon come back this week and show you that all south african navy fast attack vessels and in-shore gun boats are out-dated pieces of metal junk fit only for the museum.

pee pee in your under-wears before i come back to tear your navy small vessel forces into pieces with nigerian navy weapons data.

The stike craft, T craft and MCM boat are being replacsed. Even so the strike craft are in the procses of being upgraded. So any point you think you can make is all ready out of date.

I await your uniformed thoughts. Remember I know inside infomastion.

agaugust: .


[size=16pt] nigerian air force helicopter gunships 55 units

south african air force helicopter gunships 11 units [/size]



Mi-35 Hind E (aka Mi-24V) – 3 units
Mi-35P Hind F – 11 units
Mi-171Sh Terminator – 10 units

TOTAL = 24 units

http://beegeagle./2013/03/18/procurement-news-nigerian-air-force-acquire-3nos-mi-35p-hind-

attack-helicopters-6nos-mi-171sh-terminator-assault-helicopters-from-russia-expecting-a-maiden-haul-of-of-2nos-

sukhoi-su-25-frogfo/#comment-34187

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BO 105 C, MBB GERMANY

http://www.armyrecognition.com/nigeria_uk/nigeria_nigerian_army_land_ground_forces_military_equipment_arm

oured_vehicle_pictures_information_de.html

TOTAL = 24 units

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Augusta AW 109 LUH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Air_Force
https://beegeagle./2011/08/31/on-nigerian-navy-and-nigerian-air-force-agusta-helicopters/

TOTAL = 7 units
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nigeria will wipe out all south african armoured vehicles withing few hours of real battle, then you will know that seleka rebels of CAR are just like an ant compared to nigerian military forces.

your weeping has just started !


case closed, its time to roast south africa !



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Since when are transport helicopters attack helicopters. Please. Don't think we are are fools.

homerac7: "Lies told often enough becomes the truth" - Lenin, 1870-1924.



you have told yourself this lies repeatedly enough that you have made yourself disillusioned to believe it as truth. My friend, if you still don't know what happened, [size=38pt]YOU GOT SERVED[/size] by SELEKA. Q.E.D

So stop peddling this brazen lies. accept the simple fact and move on

Show me how I am wrong.

agaugust: the Badger anti-tank vehicle is NOT yet in service with south african army, its a new project being tested.

south african rooikat and ratel are too slow and too old to challenge 300 nigerian army multi-role cobra and VBL when they are fitted in their anti-tank mode, as well as the modern BTR-U guardian anti-tank missile vehicles, then our 150 scorpions have new upgraded guns and technology, not counting nigerian T-72 upgraded and the british vickers tanks in their hundreds.

you cannot stand before nigerian army and survive, even seleka rebels used south african army special forces for shooting practice in CAR !

The rooikat is not old. And niether are slow or under armourd or armerd.

You got BTR3-U but not the guardian version. UAE is the only operiotor of that version. The most comon BTR3-U in nigeria has no AGMs. Stope thinking we are fools. And you only have 47 BTR3-U of them 30 are IFV the rest are recon, commond and other speclised versions. So please. Stop being foolish.

agaugust: if there were 1.5 million white British citizens of nigeria resident for the past 100 years in nigeria till today, do you think south africa will have the technological advantage it has over nigeria ?

the white men from europe built south african nation for their pleasure, they never planned to go back to europe, so they built south africa with massive technology transfer from europe. no other african country has that privildge from the white man.

2 points. There are not 1.5million whit guys in Nigeria.

And if there where your triballisem would have killed or drove them out.



And where do you get 1.5million. SA has a lot more than 1.5million white people.

homerac7: Now I am forced to comment here again...

...has anyone noticed how these South Africans are only here to promote SA shit and only ridicule Nigeria facts?


SANDF failed woefully in CAR and they come here to top dress it as "lesser casualty victory"? Do they think anyone here is stuupiid?

Nigeria Armed Forces is internationally respected for her records and for the first time in my life, after that mis-informed Ghanian doofus of a journalist, I see South Africans here trying in vain to put NAF down so that "little" light can shine of disgraced SANDF. Now, if that isn't idiotic, what is it?

(Now I must name-call to home-in these illogicality...)

One of them stupiidly said since JTF lost men in raids, then JTF is incompetent. DAMN!!! are you guys this idiotic? do you know anything about intricacies of military operations other than posting hardware pictures? ...huh!

Now see another doofoos....they claim that because civilians were killed in counter insurgency operations, so NA is incompetent. Now, if you are so smart, show me just ONE country that's battling insurgency that doesnt have accusations of civilian deaths as collateral damage? if you can't, then you are an eediiot for making the accusation in first place!

Another said Nigeria Armed Forces have 2C issues....WTF! so na only SANDF holy pass abi? una dey mad! show your proof now or be the damned fool again! ....shaiiit!

Look, you boyz, I will never defend Nigerian military as saints, they surely have their excesses, but not for SANDF supporters to point out as their shameless asssses are out in the air. Your military can only learn from Nigeria if you want to avoid another humiliating defeat from rag-tag army. Nigeria suffered similar humiliation in hands of rebels when ECOMOG HQ was breached under command of a Ghanaian Supreme Commander and Samuel Doe captured right from hands of ECOMOG. But Nigeria did not pull out, we pushed ECOWAS to change mamdate from Peace Keeping to Peace Enforcement, with which the Supreme Commander was sacked and a Nigerian (Gen Joshua Dongoyaro) took command, tore all agreements with rebel groups and UNLEASHED HELL on all rebel fronts. They all broke off and end of the story is Liberia today.

Reason for the history lesson is to tell you that we have had your same of DISGRACE over 25 years ago! the difference is that we never LIED about ours, but reacted to it and today we are better fighting force for it. Then you will know why Nigeria military doesnt "play" with "civilians" in battle fronts. They know more about unconventional warfare better than your wanna-be SANDF. Really, u guys need to send your commanders to National War College here if you are ever going to be successful in international operations here in Africa.

Playing video game war simulation with big boys is never the same as asymmetric warfare against insurgents. well you will NEVER know because your military has never been in one.

So much for your inexperienced SANDF

The diffrence is that our solders did not fial. They where never over run, routed, breached or deafted in any way. People still think that our job was to protected the CAR presdiant and capital. This was not our mandat but the maindat of the Regional forces, who ran away. SA was fighting to protected there own and did so.


The mission in DRC is diffrent. Hence the air support being deployed.

Capnd143: hahaha, and you forget that when nigeriaSat-x or 2 was built it was better than all UK SATELLITES AS OF THEN?

Lol show proof of that cliam.

Capnd143: sory, but you seem not to be refering to the current boko haram insurgencies! So please do get your acts right bro!

No I am talking about the current BH insurgence. One was filmed by aljazeria the other solders them selfs. I have posted them before.

DictatorZAR: Why are you Nigerians continuesly questioning SA's citizenry on the bases of color. If we south africans have accepted our diversity no foreigner who don't even live and work in his own country has the right to question it. Why don't you Nigerians question Latino's, A Amreicans, Jews and others who migrated to US as foreigners, because the US is the worlds biggest immigrated nation.

And by the way the history of south african mining goes way back before colonialist came, even iron was made before the whites came here.

We all accept the fact that white afrikaaners played a pivotal role in SA's military tech since the day the world sanctioned SA and it was forced to either reverse engineer or create their own systems in order to fend of Soviet supported states, but the fact remains that africans played its part in labor force (even my own uncle worked for Atlas in the 1980's where they built aircraft and land systems for the then apartheid regime and he's not white).


@Aguagust, Denel is a 100% SA goverment owned company that makes it a predominantly black owned shareholder company. Companies like Paramount and BAE OMC including DENEL-SAAB Aeronautics are registered SA defense companies that is regulated by SA arms Laws, not even Paramount and BAE OMC can sell there weapons without oversite from SA's parliamentary regulations.

Stop trying to dictate to us who is South African because that's for us to decide not Nigerians.

He just jelouse because all of the smart people in nigeria are not even in Nigeria. He him self is more American than nigerian these days.