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sheyie2007: You'd see it sooner than you think.. we've got money and brains..

2025 or 2205

sheyie2007: We're not broke, remember?

If you buy every thing all you nigerians claim you going to buy you will be broke.

sheyie2007: Dude, we have persnels in Pakistan training on maneuvering and repair... i posted a link on this...

I said "not any time soon" not never. It may take years untill you get one. It takes 3 years training before you set foot on a sub never mind get qulfied on a sub.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/LAND/LAND_new/rrs-kameelperd.jpg



When nigeria hget somthing along the lines of thr Kameelperd (girafe) I will be impreesed. Righ now nigeria may have fancy new toys but they still fighting like it is the 1970s and not the 21 century.

sheyie2007: Acquisition of the 3 subs will boost us.. by then, we'd be arguing with Egyptians

you not getting subs any time soon, they not the cheapest things to maintain.

scipher: What do you mean? we're buying variaties man.. those ones above are arriving today.. confirmed , as well as F-15s(but not today)

Lepoard or SU24. They both ground attack aircraft. Though I would take the tried and tested SU24.

sheyie2007: Russian mi35s... we getting this btches today

I thought you add them.


The hind is the best assult chopper in the world. Able to carry 8 full loaded solders and then provided close air support.

I all ways loved them.

scipher: Brace yourself augaust!!.. fvck leaopard II.. This is just coming in
PROCUREMENT NEWS: NIGERIAN AIR FORCE EXPECTING START-UP DELIVERIES OF 2(nos) SUKHOI SU-25 FROGFOOT GROUND ATTACK JETS FROM UKRAINE IN 2013; ADDITIONAL ACQUISITIONS OF 3(Nos) Mi-35P HIND ATTACK HELICOPTERS AND 6(Nos) Mi-171SH TERMINATOR ASSAULT HELICOPTERS FROM RUSSIA REPORTED – SIPRI DATA

“We got away with being the first Airforce to deploy Alpha Jet for combat on account of the ingenuity and ‘suicidal dive bombing’ of our gallant NAF pilots.

The ideal, since we controlled airfields in Liberia and Sierra Leone and attacked from Calabar into the Bakassi Peninsula, would have been to use the hardy and COIN-dedicated Su-25 Frogfoot. We simply either refuse to learn lessons or our FG are too ‘clench-fisted’.

It is possible to grab three Frogfoots from Russian surplus stocks for US$20m today. Even the Chadians, with rebels wheeling technicals everywhere, have since acquired six Frogfoots. That for me would be the ideal for in-country operations…hard armour-plating,decent combat radius.”
https://www.arcair.com/Gal2/1301-1400/Gal1302_SU-25A_Hui/02.jpg

Can some one please tell me wich one is nigeria looking at.

agaugust: your mathematics is poor. combat range 1,800km with 20,000 lb load. reduce load down to 3,000 lb and carry several drop tanks, range is greatly extended. ferry range without drop tanks is 3,700km and that is less than the 3,500km distance calabar to pretoria. now add fuel in drop tanks to increase the ferry range above 3,700km and president jacob zuma is no longer s.afe with his four wives in south africa. leopards p.ursue him.

It is still a one way trip.

CAMEROONPRIDE: There is no French Africa you slowpoke. Maybe francophone

Fracophone, french africa, what ever you want to call it. They there african countries that depend on france and in many case owend by africa. People in Africa fear Africom but france all ready stantions thousands of troops all across africa. Only SADC has no french bases.

agaugust: your mathematics is poor. combat range 1,800km with 20,000 lb load. reduce load down to 3,000 lb and carry several drop tanks, range is greatly extended. ferry range without drop tanks is 3,500km and that is the distance calabar top pretoria. i wonder if google search exists free for you south africans, or do you pay for google? you cannot even google facts and post it like intelligent men. you just write whatever comes to your head and you ask other people to quote source, that is a s.tupid behaviour from all you south africans, you can insult me back if you like.

i am surprised you still argue about leopard range to south africa after i posted google data proving that calabar to pretoria is about 3,500 km or are you guys so m.entally backward in south africa? how do you pass exams in your schools ? is mathematics in your school curriculum? do you have logical thinking ability in south africa? how do they say your schools are better than nigerian schools because we think smarter than you all.

You do know ferry range is a one way trip with out any wepaons. So unless it a kamakazy attack you an not reach SA

[quote author=nnenna.1]Men on a dick measuring contest.

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agaugust: i dont care what you say because i am not under your control. i just dont care one bit.

WTF you talking about.

CAMEROONPRIDE: There is no French Africa

French africa reffers to the african countries that speak french. Anglo africa the onse who speak english. French africa is still very dependet on the french and many are nothing but pupits.

snydergp: Who disagreed with the L-15, that @Henry first posted and by the way no deal was signed.

We will also now tell you about our own future procurement without giving a source.

we can cliam we getting a Landing ship helo deck using some peoples logic or getting lepard 2 MBTs long rang naval SAMs extra extra there are many projects in SA that are running germany even set a lepard 2 for us to evluate and was seen has a good choice.

agaugust: nigerian flying leopards are after y.our l.ife, run snydergyp, run !

You calling any one a fool is funny. You claim the lepaord can fly to south africa beat a attack off(it no fighter even china says that. It a light bomber at heart) and bomb a target and fly back even though it's max combat range is under 2000km. So who is foolish.

agaugust: so you want everybody on this forum to go to the streets and start searching for bookshops to buy Guiness Book of world record to confirm that south african GV6 artillery has range 100km ? yet you did not tell us the year edition of the book, they change and update it yearly. your own sources are so confusing and hard to find, yet you demand that i should post my own sources. to be honest with you, i did not post my source on the flying leopard, L-15, and ZBD-97 to satisfy you south africans, i dont care what you guys say anymore. rather i posted the source only to please my fellow nigerians and that's all.

my naija colleague sheyie posted source for L-15 jets yesterday sunday on page 107, and it is a Russian news paper. his own source weblink is

http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/3-2012/item2/article1/?form=print

my source also agrees with his own source on L-15 jets, so that makes good proof. anyone who is not satisfied with those can travel to china by himself and find source to quote. i dont care one bit, i tell you south africans again, i say i dont care one bit.

It has not been beaten so any year would do.


I never doubted the L15. I doubt the lepoard. China is never shy to make public her arms salles yet there has been report on the lepaords sale.

Henry120: Please go back to the last 2 pages, before this page and read up. Thank you.

And over there we found it not obsoilt nor has it failed. Perhaos you should go read there.

Is there no other source. Because that one looks a bit sketchy.

agaugust: you ask me source for new nigerian airforce flying leopard II jets ? which source did you post for your claim that south african GV6 artillery can shoot 100km ? maybe it can even shoot a range up to the moon ?

i have source, i am not a careless person. i have my fellow nigerians in this forum and i will not want to disappoint them with posting of information that has no source. i have more than source, i have details of the purchase with many other heavy weapons. nigerian military has gone wild with billions of dollars weapons purchasing now.

i will post not just source, i will post the whole process of how nigeria bought the leopard with other heavy weapons for our army, and the L-15 trainer jets too.
just wait till i scare snydergp to d.eath with these leopards, he cannot sleep now, he's having nightmare of nigerian airforce b.ombing his house in south africa, i guess he wants to dig a hole in the bedroom to his his children but they are too many, he has a large family, no birth control !

I gave the source. Gunness book of world reccords.

Henry120: I agree with you 100% on this. These south africans on this thread are funny people. They keep going on and on about how that total mess of a rooivalk is a success while that helicopter is a massive failure.

Your neighbours in southern africa would not even contemplate looking at it twice not to talk of buying. If that helo is a good as you claim, the crase over MI-35p's on the continent would have reduced, as we know that we can get an homegrown equipment, that can suit our needs.

The cost of that obsolete equipment is just crazy, that pile of junk costs more than an apache and the MI-35p respectively and it is 20 times less effective than the aforementioned.

How has it faild

Non are in the market for a new built attack chopper. Most could not affoard 1

How is it obsoliet. Please do tell me since it hase every thing the supper hind has. And how is it worse than the apachy or MI35 please explian. They where all just upgraded.

pleep: First explain to me how you guys thought it was smart to begin building a completely new aircraft platform in the middle of a war... There was no logical way the project would have been complete in time for the fighting.

Hell... its almost 20 years to late.

Unless Denel and the S.A government are completely r.etarded yall intended that vehicle for export, and in that you failed miserably.

You say the Rooivalk performs better in harsh conditions, says who? unlike your helicopter, the Apache has actually been combat tested in the Gulf war where it performed brilliantly after modification. It has also been used in Isreal, Egypt and Saudi Arabia with no problems. What has the Rooivalk ever done except sit in a hanger?

And btw the Rooivalk is a flying target for the Longbow system and the Apaches hellfire missles. You have no way to escape them, and the U.S will not license the tech to Denel. (another reason why no country will waste money on a Rooivalk)

Even if Boeing is unable to sell Apaches to 3rd world countries, they are selling 100's to the biggest buyer in the world. The U.S government with its 650 billion dollar defense budget. The Apache is a huge sucess, the Rooivalk is a huge failure.

Accept it and move on.

All of our wepaons where built during the war. It was a very long war tracing it roots to the 60s and even though SA puulled out in the early 90s it only really ended in 2003. It all so took long to develop due to it's budget being decreased after the war.

Do you not under stand the meaning of sanctions. We could not buy or sell any milltatry wepoans. The rooifalk was never ment to be sold. We tried to sell it but only because the production line was open and turkey wanted a helicopter.


First the longbow is for ground targets. Second the mokap out ranges the hellfire and has a biger war head. Thirds they both AGMs fourth the rooifalk has 2 wingtip hard points for anti air missies, fith the rooifalk has a low radarcross section and heat signture.


No new apachy has been built for some time.



I don't think you grasp what the rooifalk was about or any wepaon for that mattter.

pleep: Your report came out like 4 days ago. As of today only 12 are in service.

Basically you guys spent almost 30 years and billions of dollars to make an aircraft that is more expensive than its superior competitors. Who would buy a Rooivalk when they could get an Apache? The only reason why your government uses this (slighty) inferior product is because it is home-grown, but the quality of your defense force will suffer for it.

This is a failure no matter how you want to paint it. South africa managed to salvage the mess, but its still a failure

Actually in africa it is a better product by far.

With full intergrated dust and sand fillters.

Engiens optermised for hot and dry air.

Greater combat range
The thing is no one is buying new apachys either. Actualy the last country to buy a new production attack chopper was turky. The rest build them selfs or get hand me downs.

All so since the rooifalk led to the supper hind a comicial succses and that all current rooifalk are operationl it is has not been a waist of money. Remember when the rooifalk was started SA had no option but to build in house and to have cancelled the product would have been the true waist of money.

pleep: We waste 1 billion dollars each year importing rediculous military hardware that we will never use. What do we need mobile artillery and apache gunships for? boko-haram?

If the Nigerian military didn't have underdeveloped chicken brains they would realize that you need infrastructure to win a war. South Africa has it we don't. That $1 billion should be invested into building indegenous military engines, support systems and factories so if real conflict broke out we could actually service all these weapons in combat.

All this spending you guys are posting stupidity... Nigeria is a country that doesn't even have 24/7 hour electricity, how do you expect to service a FBC-1A Flying Leopard II! with a fuckin generator?

I will leave the nigerians to comment on this. It will be fun.

pleep: Dude. The air beetle, seriously

I love my people, but i'm sorry that is a joke. The air beetle is a homebuilt kit aircraft that teenagers in the united states make in their garage for science projects!

and to make matters worse it was designed by van, a foreign company, not even by Nigerian technology.

As for the armoured personnel carriers they are just Toyotas with extra armor melded on. The chasies, powertrain, engine etc was made in foreign countries. Look at this thing, its a joke! https://www.nairaland.com/309607/yaradua-inspects-nigeria-made-armoured-personnel

I know we manufacture the AK-47, but that is only from 1 factory, say a missile hit that factory.... pwaam we have to import guns again. And that technology in itself is not impressive because not only are small arms obsolete, but the AK is probably the easiest and cheapest gun on earth to manufacture.


Is this toy something to be proud of?

It dose fly.


They may be based on civlian chassies but look at the G wagon, snatch land rover, both civlian then the amrican Styker based on a 1960s swiss APCs chassie.

I doubt any missiels will hit the plant. A terroris bomb is a maybe but a simple fire is a bigger threat.

Since when is a small arms obsolitie.


The AK47 is so comomon due to it haveing to patten. Meaning any body can make it and not need permission or have to do anything.

pleep: 100% lies. You don't spend 1$ billion dollars on a military project that is not for export...that is the only way these military companies are able to recoup their losses from production.

The rooivalk is the biggest military flop in African history.

1. You spend 7 billion rand to develop a helicopter design and only end up building 12. (none of which are fully operational)

2. have not managed to export a single one

3. It took yall almost a decade to create, by the time it was finished the technology was already obsolete

4. It uses 20 year old computers

5. There is no support system...(many of the support manufacturers are invested in competitors.)

6. It cost $40 million each unit. More than a brand new Apachi!


FAIL.

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/what-went-wrong-with-the-rooivalk-2007-06-08-1

you are a fool

We had a need during the border war and back then it was a war money was not a issue. By the time the war was over the production was so far in it was better to finish the deal

wrong all where just made operational

They where only overd to turkey

and they where just upgraded

has i said they where just upgraded

and we could not buy them since we where under sanction.

pleas think before you speak.

all4naija: I my expected to learn Zulu language because I have to understand what South Africans are trying to say with jugglery? No! I am not subjected to any of you or your comments in whatsoever way.

Another of your prestidigitations is to claim Townships are safe for tourists. Are you telling me that police are not stationed to watch out when tourists are visiting Townships? Keep alluding to your deceitful comments all by yourself. They are not meant to deceive somebody like me though. The villains(South African police) are notoriously known to be puffy and like to attack African visitors than Europeans, who are given preferential treatment. Spare me this over-garnished statement to make Townships look as though safe for tourists without heavy police monitoring. The truth is that Nigeria is not a tourist nation proves your attempt to spite at us only to make fool of yourself. Keep living in your ignorance, and it won't help you.

When last did your country present any report of crimes to UNODC? Please, stop playing pranks. I would careless if the information about crimes in your society is available as of 3 years ago presented to UNODC. Yet, your excuses are very funny and they are hell-annoying at some points.

What is with you and Zulus.

There is poliece in tourist areas this is comon pratice in any tourist country. But they don't follow the township tours around like hawks.

Has was siad. SA release crome stats once a year.



You like to bash SA but it seems you never been to SA or did any reshearch on SA in your live.

all4naija: Are you trying to tell me they are in buses without police monitoring the violence-addicted agents(sorry for using that term)? If Africans can't walk freely on the streets of South Africa, as it is reported by Africans and foreign media,and my question is. How then are tourists who are rich safe in the ghettos of violent Townships? That is still a big challenge for me to comprehend.

Thank you!

Because they see non South africans living there has compertsion for jobs and thus money. Where rich tourists spend big money in the township tours. Thus seen has providing money.

You don't kill the goose that lays golden eggs.

agaugust: please stop wasting our time here with south African Rooivalk helicopter that no country wants to buy and it has never been battle tested.

South Africa made strategic business mistake by producing a helicopter with no market to sell it, and more photos of it were made than number of real life physical production of the Rooivalk.

Next time learn to walk before you run.

Please do us favour here and stop wasting our time on a half d.ead south African helicopter project.

Thanks

You showing your level of ignorince.

The rooifalk was devloped during the border war. And incoperats many of the lesones learned from the fighting there.

The rooifalk was never ment to be a export item. It was built because SA was under sactions and unable to buy any thing.


Learn to think before speaking(typing)

It far from dead. The rooifalk have just been upgraded.

snydergp: Since there's been a lot of nonsense talk about the ROOIVALK and its systems versus other helicopters I will now give the specs of 4 AH-attack helicopters and so the public can judge. I left the Mi-24/35p out because its not in the class of the others. This will include the A129-Mangusta which Turkey chose over the Rooivalk due to politics.

MI-28
-Crew, 1 pilot
-Length, 17,01m (55ft)
-Max take of weight, 11,500kg(23,590lb)
-Max speed, 320km/h (172knots, 199mph)
-Cruise Speed, 270km/h (145nmi,168mph)
-Range, 435km (234nmi, 270mi)
-Combat radius, 200km (108nmi, 124mi)
-Ferry range, 1,100km (593nmi, 683mi)
-Rate of climb, 13,6m/s (2,677ft/min)
-Combat (depends on mission statement)


AH-APACHE(long-bow)
-Crew, 2 (pilot and gunner)
-Length, 58,17ft (17,73m)
-Max take of weight, 10,433kg (23,000lb)
-Max speed, 293km/h (158knots, 165mph)
-Cruise speed, 265km/h (143nmi, 165mph)
-Range, 476km (257nmi, 295mi)with long bow radar mast
-Combat radius, 480km (260nmi, 300mi)
-Ferry range, 1,900km(1,024nmi, 1180mi)with external fuel
-Rate of climb, 12,7m/s (2500ft/min)


ROOIVALK
-Crew, 2 (pilot and gunner)
-Length, 18,73m (61ft)
-Max take of weight, 8750kg (19,290lb)
-Max speed, 309 (167knots, 193mph)
-Cruise speed, 278km/h (150nmi, 173mph)
-Ferry range, 1335km (720nmi, 829mi)
-Range, 740km (386nmi, 437mi)
-Combat radius, 700km (346nmi, 407mi)
-Rate if climb, 13,3m/s (2,620ft/min)


Agusta A129 Mangusta
-Crew, 2 (pilot and gunner)
-Length, 12,28 (40ft)
-Max weight, 4600kg (10,140lb)
-Max speed, 278km/h (148knots, 170mph)
-Cruise speed, 229km (135nmi, 155mph)
-Range, 510km (275nmi, 320mi)
-Combat radius, (same as range)
-Ferry range, 1000km (546nmi, 620mi)
-Rate of climb, 10,2m/s (2,025ft/min)


Overall Ratings

-Max speed: Mi-28 is faster (320km/

-Cruise speed: ROOIVALK is faster (278km/h)

-Range: ROOIVALK is by far better(740km)

-Combat radius: ROOIVALK is by far better (700km)

-Ferry range: APACHE is by far better (1,900km)

-Rate of climb: Mi-28 and ROOIVALK are equal (13,6m/s-2,677ft/min) and (13,3m/s-2,620ft/min)

-Max take of weight: Mi-28 is better (11,500kg-23,590lb)

Source wikipedia.org

Overall on points the Rooivalk and Mi-28 are far better machines. Now you work out why Turkey chose the Agusta A129 Mangusta and not the Rooivalk was it because of avionics or NATO/EU political reasons.

I hope this settles the issue.

Why no werwolf or euro tiger.


And the apachy has one very strong point. The longbow radar.

agaugust: F00LISH snydergp do simple mathematics when you google the shortest air distance along a great circle longitude from calabar airport to pretoria, and add 5 drop tanks extra fuel for the leopard with 4 more hardpoints for 2 air to air missiles and 2 bombs 1,000 lb. the nigerian flying leopard is coming and you are not safe, go hide your wife and children in the a cave hole you F00L.

You sure it can take that many heavy loads on it's hard points. And with only 2 AAMs and over a country with a masive ground nbassed radar the hawks would be enough. And with out any LGB's or ASMs it will have to come in close to be threat. Great targets for the radar guided 35mm AAA and starstreak SAMs. Please use logic. Any case you going yto just fly over SADC. Angloa MIG23 fleet alone will handel nigeria.

pleep: Do you guys know what kind of heavy bombers (like the b52) the Nigerian a/o south African militaries have?

Do we have any?

saaf had a few canbra and buccernia they not B52 size but are classed has bombers. There are still a few that can fly but non are in active servise and the gripen/hawks can cary LGBs and other pression guided ground attack muntsions so there is no need for a bomber