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sheyie2007: Errr....buy gas masks I guess..

Won't help.


Depends on the scale. A massive strike will wipe us all out so you can't do much to stop it. But a a few nukes dropped in the middle east won't be a big threat.

xterra2: ^^ I said Airforce and SAMs
F 16 is old as you said so its not match for SU 30
The Gripen isn't better than SU 30
And i talked about SAMs - the have S300 which is better than what RSA and Egypt have,

The Su30 is a great aircraft but the systems on the Gripen are what make it so good. 5gen ECW and missiles makes it a killer. All so the SU30 is a harder to maintain and cost more to maintain.

Never commented on the S300 it is the best SAM system in africa.

Capnd143: oboy them talk say ur name na RSA! Take time oh! See this guy oh! RSA WOULD BE NOTHING WITHOUT THE WHITES; YOU CAN Quote me on that! Bt see 9ja! All black!, fighting 4 ourselves, striving to be independent even with our exploding population', south Africa with their tin tiny population full of Aids victims wouldnt shout! Mtcheew! HAIL 9ja! Hail 170 million citizens

Lol why bring such a old forgotten thread up.

And nigeria would be no where with out the white owned foreign oil company's. At least South Africa dose not need foreigners to become great.

solbil: with the increase in sophistication of weapons, one would say that number mean nothing. But the US, despite having better weapons compared to iraq and afghanistan, had 100,000 soldiers on the ground! Why? Do they just wanted to create jobs? Or does this fact dismiss the idea that number still play a crucial role in war?

Since the one who owns the air runs the game and can strike things on ground, what is the role of ground forces in modern war? If it is still relevant?

Can a landlocked country with no water ways or has only brown waters have a navy?

Numbers still mean a lot. You still need people to actually be on the ground doing the fighting. All the technology just means they more effective and life longer.


Air power can not win a war. It helps but you still need ground forces to take and hold the ground. During the border war South Africa did not have control of the skies but still won all major battles.

You need at least some water for boats. But why bother. A boat unit of the army would be better and cheap(less logistical cost and less HQ costs extra) any inland naval force would be in (direct) support of the army in any case.

solbil: with the increase in sophistication of weapons, one would say that number mean nothing. But the US, despite having better weapons compared to iraq and afghanistan, had 100,000 soldiers on the ground! Why? Do they just wanted to create jobs? Or does this fact dismiss the idea that number still play a crucial role in war?

Since the one who owns the air runs the game and can strike things on ground, what is the role of ground forces in modern war? If it is still relevant?

Can a landlocked country with no water ways or has only brown waters have a navy?

Numbers still mean a lot. You still need people to actually be on the ground doing the fighting. All the technology just means they more effective and life longer.


Air power can not win a war. It helps but you still need ground forces to take and hold the ground. During the border war South Africa did not have control of the skies but still won all major battles.

You need at least some water for boats. But why bother. A boat unit of the army would be better and cheap(less logistical cost and less HQ costs extra) any inland naval force would be in (direct) support of the army in any case.

solbil: with the increase in sophistication of weapons, one would say that number mean nothing. But the US, despite having better weapons compared to iraq and afghanistan, had 100,000 soldiers on the ground! Why? Do they just wanted to create jobs? Or does this fact dismiss the idea that number still play a crucial role in war?

Since the one who owns the air runs the game and can strike things on ground, what is the role of ground forces in modern war? If it is still relevant?

Can a landlocked country with no water ways or has only brown waters have a navy?

Numbers still mean a lot. You still need people to actually be on the ground doing the fighting. All the technology just means they more effective and life longer.


Air power can not win a war. It helps but you still need ground forces to take and hold the ground. During the border war South Africa did not have control of the skies but still won all major battles.

You need at least some water for boats. But why bother. A boat unit of the army would be better and cheap(less logistical cost and less HQ costs extra) any inland naval force would be in (direct) support of the army in any case.

xterra2: ^^ I would put Algeria ahead of Libya and South Africa, Libya cant be in the top 3 we you high when you made the list?
Even before the civil war, the had OUTDATED and obsolete equipment.
South Africa cant be matched to Algeria, i would probably put it at Egypt/Algeria
Algeria have better weaponry than Egypt/South Africa e.g
SU 30
they have a Good SAM S 300 even an other Russian made SAMs

Egypt are stronger on LAND but in Air combat, the SU 30 is not match for F 16 Algerian Air force even have Some Mig 29
Like i mentioned, they have solid Air defense with S 300 and other SAMs. Egyptian F 16, F4s and others would be destroyed by the SAMs or by SU 30 in dogfights

Algeria is buying stuff from SA. So what do they have that is more advance yes the SU30 is good but SAAF gripens could handel them. And any case Air forces do not win wars.

Libya was not has outdated has you think. But I agree they where over rated.

solbil: but sure, as a soldier, you can ward them off. Even a boy in the man o war here in nigeria, is that trained lol.

Tell me some thing. Do you think an army using mortars is an army to reckon with in 21st century? Secondly, how important is a country's GDP and access to oil to its ability to fight a war?

I would not try it in sudan. They just killed 4 solders from nigeria. And have shot at countless peace keepers. And being a solder dose not make you bullet proof. If you unarmed and encounter a large group of armed solders avoiding a fight is the only option.


Yes mortars are a great way to give a small infantry group(platoon size) there own light artillery. We got some great one man 60mm mortars with 10+KM range. Even America uses mortars.

Depends on the war. A small border skirmish it will mean little. Of course the one with the higher GDP would normally have the better army. Has for oil it means next to nothing(while it dose mean money) if it is not refined.

solbil: lol you sound like a potential run away soldier. Is this how all the men in the SADF are? And you honestly claim you stand a chance against the NA, NNand NAF in combat? (just kiddin). Arent you a minister of death?

Deployment and vacation are 2 different things. I don't have my rifle when I go on vacation.

The big problem with sudan is there is no alcohol. I like my beer at the end of the day. The DRC you can get some really strong local stuff. Egypt is full of tension I don't want to be mistaken for a American and get kidnapped and then beheaded with a butter knife

Yes I have left SADC but never been to Nigeria but would not mind going. Never been to Egypt and the tension is high there at the moment. Has for Sudan I know a few guys who where deployed there and I don't want to go. The DRC would be better at least the western part.

Yes I have left SADC but never been to Nigeria but would not mind going. Never been to Egypt and the tension is high there at the moment. Has for Sudan I know a few guys who where deployed there and I don't want to go. The DRC would be better at least the western part.

morpheus24: ^^^^

Yep ya'll sure like to toi toi alot though!!!

Nothing wrong with it if it is peaceful

Lol. I have dyslexia.


Savimb's UNITA where terrorist organization. They just happen to be fighting the communists.

MK and MPLA where no threat. With out cuban help SA would have over run Angola. And the cubans never won a battle. The only reason SA could not take force them out is that they only had 3000 solders in the area.

Any case was never apartheid(joined after 1994) army. I am Navy NCO and proud of that. I do how ever know and work with a lot of people from that war even some ex revolutionary solders and that war is of great interest to me.

Has I said I am not a Afrikana I am a english speaking white south african.

Ibrahim mr fish: Keep on lieing to ur self.In 2006 hisbula manage to win a war with Isreal.And hisbula,is just a satlite of Iran.If Isreal can fight Iran,they would have long do so.They are now waiting 4 d big brother.A.K.A d u.s.a.

How did they win. Israel suffered losses but they completed there goal. There are no more rocket and mortar attacks on there cities. And Israel almost did launch a strike but the usa leaked the info to stop them.

It was linked on South african air force forum.


I think the internet attracts a lot of ignorant fools from all over.

While I only go to the politics side and it is ok. And it is all right I find it better than western forums since the rarely speak about Africa. I don't belong to that many forums so since I stayed means I enjoy it here.

I don't link to generalize people but my opinion on nigerians. They people some are going to be ignorant fools others enlightened and while educated. I don't see them has all criminals but I feel that a lot of thos that come to SA are not the best that Nigeria has and to many resort to crime in SA. Should all nigrians leave, no. Most criminals in SA are still locals. Over all I like this forum because a lot of people have different views and if I wanted to talk to some one who all ways agreed with me I would stand in front of a mirror.

CHIEF AGBE: De Klerk is a war criminal just like 99.99% of White South africans, and I do not believe a war criminal can suddenly become a good samaritan.

Yes just like 99.99% of people from nigeria are scam artist thieving, drug dealing pimps.

CHIEF AGBE: The question remains as to whether Black South Africans will continuously tolerate white negative mindset against Black people.

How dose that quote have a negative mind set. Deklerk is right Affirmative Action is not befitting the poor

all4naija: @Andrewza and co.
I read some thousands of the strikers who refused to go back to work for additional increase in pay would not be retained by the mines. Does this mean we are going to see more actions in the time been?

Different mines. It now strike season so there will be to come. So far only the truck drivers have shown any level of violence and it is sporadic. And no large groups have shown any violent tendency. There nothing strange about strike action in SA but shooting like the one earlier are rare hence it was so big. Most strikes occur with zero loss of life and only minor vandalism.

You 2 are fighting like a married couple. You should get a room.

Rest in peace.

texazzpete: The OP is daft.

The US dropped a handful of elite soldiers into a VERY hostile neighbourhood and succeeded in carrying out their initial mission (capturing local warlords). The plan only went awry when a US helicopter was shut down. The resulting rescue operation kept the US soldiers in the area until nightfall, where they were involved in an intense firefight. 20 US soldiers died compared to between 315 - 1500 Somali forces dead.

So...fact check

1) The US did not fight Al Shabaab or engage any Somali forces in a protracted ground offensive. Al Shabaab did not exist then
2)The US troops withdrew...a kill ratio of 20 to 1500 does not count as 'defeated'

The Kenyans basically haven't done anything more than what Nigerians have done in Liberia and Sierra leone. A true test would be if they had to fight a guerilla war with Al Shabaab

Darn you beet me to it. I will hd the only reason America left is because there civilian population has no back bone and is weak willed.



It is one thing to dislike America but to manufacture fake facts about. How bad they are makes the OP a fool.

texazzpete: The OP is daft.

The US dropped a handful of elite soldiers into a VERY hostile neighbourhood and succeeded in carrying out their initial mission (capturing local warlords). The plan only went awry when a US helicopter was shut down. The resulting rescue operation kept the US soldiers in the area until nightfall, where they were involved in an intense firefight. 20 US soldiers died compared to between 315 - 1500 Somali forces dead.

So...fact check

1) The US did not fight Al Shabaab or engage any Somali forces in a protracted ground offensive. Al Shabaab did not exist then
2)The US troops withdrew...a kill ratio of 20 to 1500 does not count as 'defeated'

The Kenyans basically haven't done anything more than what Nigerians have done in Liberia and Sierra leone. A true test would be if they had to fight a guerilla war with Al Shabaab

Darn you beet me to it. I will hd the only reason America left is because there civilian population has no back bone and is weak willed.



It is one thing to dislike America but to manufacture fake facts about. How bad they are makes the OP a fool.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]^^^^what "respect by both parties" so many miners have already been killed. who is going to feed their families??

i say they just slaughter these bloody whites. [/quote]What dose white and black have to do with it.

panafrican: Well, they call themselves settlers and are now being reminded that settlers are always on the clock,no mater what. The time is over.

It been years since called our selfs settlers.

Henry120: Omo, @ andrewza, don't get too cocky. No body said nigeria is ashamed of anything. We only attested to the fact that SA military has better equipment and a more modern indigenous defence industry than what nigeria has. Like the poster above said, while the nigerian military was routing rebels in serria-leone and liberia , back home at the border we where handing it out to the camerounians in scores in bakassi. That is why the camerounian government refers to the good people and government of nigeria as imperialist. So don't be too cocky. "Admission of guilt, doesn't mean weakness". 3 wars in a single scoop and all militarily victorious.

Was not the intention. Has I said biggest force in your region(west africa) we are no more a threat to you has you are to us. We both regional super powers in different regions.

cjrane: 1.)Nigeria obviously has the most powerful and professional military force in Africa.Nigeria has proven time and again that it is perhaps the only African country that can sustain active combat divisions more than 1000 miles away from her border, in two hot conflicts simultaneously. Yet, still maintain a good presence around the vast nation of Nigeria and around the Bakassi peninsula to deter Cameroon from being tempted to be mischievous there too.

2.)South Africa has the best equipped but untested force.Even though the SADF performed creditably in the Angola bush wars during the apartheid era,but they pretty much lost that conflict to the less equipped MPLA militias.I believe the strength of the SA military is its air-force.But without an aircraft carrier,it really cannot project power, it is purely a force for homeland defense more or less.

3.)Egypt? I don't know anywhere Egypt's armed forces has prevailed by sheer better tactics and training. The Israelis whopped them in the six day way and they capitulated within one week.I don't think the Eqyptian troops are trained hard and well enough.

We have operated more than 1000km from our borders many times.

And we never lost a major land battle against MPAL or the cubans who where not has poorly has armed has you thing. And it not our air force that is our strong point, But our infantry (both light and mechanized) and how mobility we had only 3000 solders in angola but we could move them faster than the enemy. during angola the enemy had more planes and better aircraft in some cases. Only from the 90,s (when the war was done) did we get aircraft that could rival the cubans. But yes you correct we more a defensive force with a peace enforcement ability. We all ways expect that any conflict would be a SADC mission where we would provide crack troops, logistics and specialized functions.

But nigeria has nothing to be ashamed of. They the biggest boy in there block.

LBT: Nigeria is very secretive in terms of her military, South Africa manufacture most of her military weapons while Nigeria manufacture some of hers; I have been close to high ranking Nigerian military officers e.g Generals etc, and have learnt that they are very secretive but Nigeria is very capable militarily especially the Nigerian army which can take on any army in africa even with or without air cover. No country in africa can do what they can do on land: the final answer I got from a senior airforce officer is that Nigeria do not really have any external treat so why do we have to waste our money and time on weapon when it can be put to better use. Nigeria military have been to Congo,somalia,yugoslavia,sudan,liberia,s/lone,ivory coast : we have had border clashes with Chad,cameroon and we have fought africa deadliest civil war with over 1 million dead. Finally, all these weapons you see or hear about have a life span whether you use them or not. when the treat come Nigeria can easily import and also manufacture weapons she need but note that Nigeria have a lot of heavy weapons already stored up for war.

nigeria is a ok military and has it's strong points(Ground based air defense is good) but I don't see them has the best. SA all so has stock piles if there is a war and our generals all so belief that we the best. Our style of warfare is different since we have different terrain.


What advance military hardware dose nigeria produce. I only know of a few small vehicle manufacturing abilities and small arms are all so in your league.


Has for secrets. You would be surprised how much gets out and what is known. Any case the SANDF dose not reveal much. The info comes from the arms company's (advertising) and military correspondents. That why there are many discrepancy. I mean if you go on to a military site or wikpeada they talk about our IPV's and call them T crafts. T crafts was the company that made them they called waterbird class. I go from what I see. Nigeria has some strong points SA has hers.

And that air force general was a fool. You never know when you may go up against a strong air force. And why not get a dedicated CAS aircraft to support the army or a MPA to protect the navy.

Over all the SANDF is a better military smaller but more advanced.

somalia5: well those bantus are dying for somali government that wont be around four yrs from now.


lol

To be dying for something you must go through the process of while, dying. What they doing is butchering cowardly Somalian animals.

This coming from some one who is not even in south africa. I don't need the approval of you. And there is no such thing has african American, They black American. Has for jully boy he has only limited support so I don't fear him. And we are african whether you like it or not we are here and will be in africa has long has there is a africa. So do screw your self.

Why would it matter how hated you are. SA was hated had made 7 nukes. Amrica is hated yet we buy oil in there currency. Any case posting a fact with out proof is a sine you are a re-tar-d