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Henry120:
There is no evidence to corroborate South-African troops made even a single kill in the CAR.

None of the agencies on the ground reported on South-African kills.

Your defeated troops/media in soweto made up numbers to feel good about your cowardice.

Other than seleka themselfs.

agaugust:
Okay, the beach is cut off from the sea and dropped inside your bath tub at home ? Fool
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agaugust:
Nope, you wrecked yourself. I said effective range is 8km.

16 km is area effect with ZERO precision and plenty of missing a tiny target like a tank.

Then according to your own web link source I am very correct....

" Ammunition:
HE (high explosive) - 6,296kg / Range 16km / effective range 8km (4km vs. air targets at elev. 85°). "

http://www.seaforces.org/wpnsys/SURFACE/Oto-Melara-76mm-compact-super-rapid.htm

...a tank is a damn small target, if you fire in area range, you miss....SAN missed Mr.Day's boat 3 times fired 3 times missed target

The T-72 will return fire and a ship is a huge massive target....SAN warship and incompetent sailors get sunk
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One check the longest confirmed kill by a tank.

A navel gun may not be accurate at range. But it fires fast. Those 3 shots where all in the air before the first even hit the ground. So the odds of hitting are far higher.

Henry120:
I have provided sources on multiple occasions.

For less than 50 kills? Please do show.

EVarn:
not only "southern hemisphere" it is "southern cherry-pear"{note the sarcasm}.
Have you forgotten that Brazil is also part of the southern hemisphere?,are you saying that you've got a bigger training field than Brazil?.
Moreover,isnt the fishing boat a civilian installation?,also,why shoot to scare the fishermen away,why not apply normal diplomatic means to strongly convince them to retreat out of the training zone?

Yep.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohatla


No a fish boat is a vehicle. It can move thuse is not a installation.


Who said it was warning shots. It could of been mistaken for the target drone.

Henry120:
You did not inflict more than 50 dead Seleka, hence your plea for mercy from the French, your fleeing and Seleka taking over the capital only a few hours after engaging South-African troops. This is the sad fact.

In peace time (supposedly), your country men have managed to hack 32, 485 citizens to death. You South-Africans live as worse lives as the People in Syria.


The Nigerian Government hired Pilgrims security firm. Pilgrims is a Nigerian Security company. There is no proof to show that the Government hired South-Africans.

Provide evidence and stop snorting like the Pig you are.

What's your source. I forgot you don't have one.

Henry120:
We'll have to wait for Russia's Victory Day parade on the 9th of May to see the final Tank.

I'm sure you meant the Littoral combat ships (LCS), I don't quite understand the role those light patrol crafts. Like you said, they are a very expensive OPV. Same as the Stryker. However, I do not agree with the bradley.

The bradley has been a monumental success. You know in the Gulf war in kuwait, bradleys took out more Iraqi T-72 tanks than the Abrams M1A1........ they are an amazing IFV/AFV.

I don't mean the bradly is bad. It has problems though. I was talking about 2 cancelled replacement projects.

agaugust:
Nope, that is EXACTLY the point.....tanks do sea war operations, they ford or snorkel from ocean to beach land.



I have defeated 3 South Africans in one argument, please go home and lick y.our wounds
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That's not the sea. It is the beach. There is a difrence.

agaugust:
Heavy tanks with heavy armour get dumped into the ocean in amphibious landing and have to snorkel ashore from sea to land.

Those heavy M1A1 Abrams tanks in photo below are NOT amphibious tanks, they have huge snorkels at their backs.

You Southies should just accept defeat and stop baseless arguments, I have proved you wrong with photos and even @saengine has run away


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So. That's not the point. You are shifting the goal post non stop.

EVarn:
Other proffesional countries,like Nigeria,conduct military exercises out of public view,We carry out our training,test firing and other military exercises away from public habitations.
That is why only few non-military Nigerians can ever claim to have witnessed a military exercise.

You do know it was a fishing boat and not a house that was shot at. You do know we have the biggest and second biggest training grounds in the southern hemisphere.

agaugust:
War is war. Expect the unexpected. See photo below. Navy Vs Navy in amphibious landing clash can bring a frigate to face a tank.

SANDF has NEVER done amphibious landing in her war history, come to Nigerian navy for lessons.....the only navy in Africa with that experience
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We did a number of landings in Angola with our SF and a number of exercices over the years.

agaugust:
Show us the sand these tanks are driving on ......you fvcking fool
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Only tanks that are amphibious are light tanks like the PT76. There armour is so thin it can be penetrated by light cannons or HMG fire. To become amphibious you need to sacrifice weight witch means sacrificeing armour.

agaugust:
Frigates do go to shallow waters, they have depth monitoring equipment. Why do you think frigates run aground in navies around the world?

The T-72 can be at 5m water level, and from that coastal landing position, it's main gun can fire on a Frigate 4 km far away out of normal human eyesight range. That is how a tank can fight a warship. The frigate does not need to be at the same shallow depth of 5 m water.

A frigate 4 km far away deep off shore is an easy target for a T-72 tank near the coast.

I have bursted your bubble
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Why on God's green earth would a frigate be 4km close to shore In a war zone.

EVarn:
If thats how its done in SA,then its no wonder your military force is mediocre.

How do you think out her countries do it.

EVarn:
Professional navies do not conduct military exercise in public zones.

Yes they do. You just post a nav warning and it is no longer a public space.

EVarn:
is there any restricted zone on cape algahas?.

Several but in this case it was created for the exersice. The navy can create a restricted area in where if we need to.

Henry120:
It would be a shame if after the hype, Armata comes out no better than the Leo 2A. I expect the Armata to be miles ahead of the 2A.

The T-72AV is good enough for the challenges Nigeria currently faces and would face in the next 5-10 years. The AV's come with more modern FCS and generally digitised/up-graded.

What I think is consequential is additional modern IFV's. Not MBTs.

Many projects flop so the armata could join them. Look at the F22. It is a faluir as a weapons program. Build in to small a numbers to make a diffrence. The pCS flopped to due to being over priced OPVs the Stryker was made out to be the next gen of PAC but it is just a mowaag. So yes the Amata could flop like the USA Bradley and Amtrak replacement projects.

patches689:
yeah, t64 sorry - i often make that mistake.

Russian tank family tree below

What they dont show you is that T80 is from the t64 and the t90 from the t72

The new russian MBT (Armata i think)is from a completely new line - Genesis if you will.

The T90 is a T72b with the system and upgrades of a T80u.

lezz:
Thank God they were spared by your sheer incompetence.

Something to take In to account. If we want them dead it would of been so. A 76mm he firing air burst us leathal even at 20m.

EVarn:
Why would you want to scare innocent fishermen who were only out to work for their daily bread?,are you guys sadists?

Because they enters a restricted area.

The current t72 are better than the T64. Of course the role that the T64 does is now being done by the T80 so the T72 was just upgraded more and than the T64.

agaugust:
Bwahahaha....you are an internet based commentator

Each step I take you is where you stop and google, then quickly find something to post

Yes, I say it again, a tank is NOT a submarine and cannot fully submerge like a submarine, how many seconds did your tanks in the video stay under water? They can take quick dip across a river, they cannot stay submerged, no aquatic apparatus for crew underwater survival. They will soon die, and the engine compartment will succumb to small leakages that will soon flood the tank inside.

Tank is NOT = Submarine.

Even some car can quickly drive under a flood completely submerged with no snorkel for some seconds and come out alive, but with some interior flooding.

5m depth for Valour frigate? Did I say that? Now run back to google search on internet after I take you one step further.

During beach assault, tanks do not normally fully submerge, they snorkel or simply fording, yes, but their gun barrel is outside and ready to fire in a hostile area. Any tank fully snorkeling in a danger zone is looking for quick death from the enemy.

War is new to South Africans so you cannot think outside the box and picture a real combat scenario.

Your youtube videos are demo in-house videos, I will show you real war scenario today.

Beach landing amphibious assault, Frigates can escort landing ships to coastline, yes at the right depth, frigates go to coastline. Tanks like a T-72 in a beach assault can sight an enemy ship and attack it, the tank can fire up to 4km away from the beach deep into the ocean target.

Let me show you what real war looks like below....Now go seek more help from you tube
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I would say I have never Seen such stupidity by you. But that would be a lie.

Henry120:
Your incompetent sailors shot a 76mm at a poor fisherman's vessel, and they still missed.

R3tarded S.A sailors

Zero menstion was made of whitch of 3 ships fired on a fishing boat in a training area.

Henry120:
They are still been purchased, and still referred to as Air Superiority fighters.

All Air Superiority fighters can also perform swing roles.

Only later models are being sold. The muilti purpose version.

overhypedsteve:
thank you. One would wonder why we didn't go for the MIG29 since we operated the MIG21. The JF17 took some people by surprise but Oga Beeg have been preparing us for the news before the actual contract. But the question is still why JF17 if we were just looking for PGM compliant air assets why didn't we just buy our the upgraded alpha's, what I am actually thinking is that the Nigerian Govt wants to supplement the Alpha's with The jf17.
No rumoured Su25, scorpion or MIG29 we re about to standardise the JOINTFIGHTER17

Operating the MIG21 will not help in Operating the MIG29. All so the flanker is a better choice

Henry120:
What ever you mean by nobody buys Air superiority fighters anymore, when Uganda, Angola, Algeria, Angola, Ethiopia, Eriteria all in Africa fly air superiority fighters.

Nighttwalker here is a list of Air-Superiority Fighters available in the market, as you can see, people still buy them.

*F-22
Eurofighter Typhoon
J-11
SU-27/30
MIG-29

Those are more multi role. Other than the F22 but it was built in low numbers by US standards and the mig 29 but they old and new verstion can do strike misstions. Same with the flankers both the Russian and Chinese verstion have multi role and strike verstions.

NighttWalker:
Pics of ex-air USA, PGM enabled alpha jet aircraft to the Nigerian air force.
Photo credit: beef

I don't get why we are still buying alpha jets, what happened to the JF-17 and Su-30? Our air force lacks modern air superiority jets

Because they not new. Buying a new jet is a lot of effort. Need to train pilots, ground crew and set up a logistical support to keep them flying. The cost can be high.

agaugust:
Still have your brain malfunctioning.

Again not answering the question.

agaugust:
Withdraw and leave the treaty first before you boast here about nuclear weapons.

Nigeria too can pull and leave the same treaty, get it ? Or you tied our own legs with a rope while yours is dangling free ?
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How. You have no means to enreach to even low grade fuel level never mind high end bomb grade.

We have a enreaching procces and we could easily start it up again.

agaugust:
I did, but you have cataract blinding your eyes.

Let me show you more, in 2010 a new F-7 variant was ready and ordered in 2011 by Bangladesh with all these capabilities :

"F-7BGI Upgraded version for Bangladesh Air Force ordered in 2011. Based on J-7G, guided munition capable.

1) F-7 BGI has a speed of Mach 2.2
2) 7 Hard-points to carry air-to-air missiles, laser-guided bomb, GPS-guided bombs, drop tanks
3) Full glass cockpit.
4) can carry 3000 kg bomb, including Chinese laser-guided bombs.
5) F-7 BGI has KLJ-6F radar Fire control Radar with 86 km+ Range which is near BVR or BVR considering what is the silver lining between them and can track 6 and engage 2 enemy aircraft simultaneously.
6) F-7 BGI can carry C-704 Antiship Missiles (Therefore maritime also possible)
7) afterburner- F-7 BGI (82 kN) thrust
8.) Missiles procurement are currently unknown for F-7 BGI but they can fire the 70-75 km range PL-12,PL-11 and also PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550 and AIM-9 .
9) F-7 BGI got J-7G2 Airframe with double delta wing. This improves the lift at high angles of attack and delays or prevents stalling.
10) G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
11) Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft) for F-7 BGI
12) 3 Multi functional HUD displays and Hotas.
13) Chinese Helmet Mounted Sights.
14) Reportedly more maneuverable than most of the Mig21s and many of the other contemporary fighters."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7

Your stupiid question is like asking what is the difference between a 1960 Mirage III and it's 2005 upgrade called Cheetah by SAAF
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Still have not answered the question.

agaugust:
You can say year 2005 SAAF upgraded Cheetah jets are the same as 1960s Mirage Jets because that us what they actually were, same airframe re-welded.....then you can say they have the same combat capability.

Nope, 2010 F-7NI has nothing to do with 1950s MiG-21.

Different F-7 engine from Chengdu, different wing Swept-Delta, different speed-climb rate-altitude-power thrust-gravity load-ferry range-combat radius-cruise parameters-langing gear-weapons configurations-payload, also added vertical fin stabilizers, new situational awareness cockpit canopy, modern sensors, computers, radar, HOTAS, HUDAWAC, HMS.

As I have said, only a fool thinks NAF's year 2010 F-7NI is same as 1950 MiG-21. Like I should say SAAF 2005 Cheetah jets are same as their original 1960s Mirage III jets because it's actually the same aircraft airframe rewelded by Israel.

Soweto buffoooons
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You still have not anserwed the question. Was is 2010 level means?

agaugust:
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South Africa has joined the United Nations nuclear non-proliferation treaty, you will NOT make any nuclear bombs, or else the world will cripple your country with sanctions again and wreck your already shaky shaky economy....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons [/size]
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Article X allows a state to leave the treaty if "extraordinary events, related to the subject matter of this Treaty, have jeopardized the supreme interests of its country", giving three months' (ninety days') notice. The state is required to give reasons for leaving the NPT in this notice. Article X.1 only requires a state to give three months' notice in total, and does not provide for other states to question a state's interpretation of "supreme interests of its country".