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agaugust:
Same Thales radar South Africa uses for 500 km range, except that Nigeria's version is year 2010 and more modern.

Cessna is a harmless toy propeller plane, it has no weapons.

Try fly low altitude in your Cessna through a THALES RSM 970.....on your way coming at low level evasion tactics (an evasion that will not work) , Nigerian army SA-7, Shilka, and Type 90 AAA will use y.ou for target practice....even Boko Haram will roast your Cessna propeller toy.

Ordinary Browing 50 cal machine gun on a Toyota will consume your Cessna in a war zone. Fool

You think war is a video game? Y.ou will just die young !
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How is being bought in 2010 mean it is more modern? You do know we have been upgrading them over the years.

agaugust:
Sure, we are dancing below....Andrewza tried to rescue you and I will make him share your humble pie as I force-feed you both



Thank you for proving that Cuba captured South African air defence missile syatem and called it useless

It's Crotale or Cactus SAM used by SADF nad it is useless, well Nigeris does NOT use Cactus SAM....we use Roland. Sorry about y.our bad luck.

The Cactus in SADF was Thompson CFS radar ordered in 1964 ancient times....useless.

The Roland uses Siemens-Thompson CFS D and J radars of 1978.....not 1964 Thompson, notice the Siemens name and the D & J variant codes on the Roland radar.

You see why I call you a navy cook? You cannot even differentiate between old and modern radar versions that are 14 years different in tech.
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Did you read the links. It all so used J band radars.

None where captured, they where never deployed out side nambia.

agaugust:
Means from 500 km range away, NAF will detect all Gripen and Hawk jets with our Thales RSM 970 S Monopulse Mode S Secondary Radars, then F-7 jets and Alpha jets will be intercepting SAAF at 200 km away even before you can dream of dropping any Umbani bomb.

I have told you guys that fighting a country like Nigeria that has 60 jet fighters, is different from fighting Lesotho and Swaziland.

You won't even get a chance to face Nigerian army Roland.....NAF will meet your jets air to air before you approach Nigerian air space, our new THALES Radars will be seeing the inside of your own air space as soon as your jets take off from ground.

What do you think Nigeria is? Burundi republic?
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You mean fly out to get shot down? Those radars would all so be the first targets in any air war.

agaugust:
Citation and web-link sources NEEDED please post it...Show us SANDF source that they have Roland radar Mumu....Fraudster
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vehicle is a Thomson-CSF pulse Doppler radar

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/70/cactus-crotale-sam

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotale_(missile)
In March 1988, Cuban intelligence operatives evaluated the system as deployed by the South African Defence Force during the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. They claimed it was ineffective against attack profiles of the MiG-21 and MiG-23 operated by the Angolan Air Force, criticising the design as "shoddy", "outdated", and "useless".[8]

agaugust:
3 targets were shot down means 3 targets were in the air, you need the historian to explain to that to you ?

Navy cook
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How do you know it was fired at only 3 targets. The harrier lost was solo and on a recce.

4 hairers where shot down one knocked out of action. 1 GDF got 3 kills and knocked out 1 Roland shot down one aircraft and shot 2 bombs from countless dropped.

agaugust:
Envy is your problem.

Roland fired it's 8 missiles against 3 targets and sh.ot down all 3 targets at the same time.....world class performance.

See why I call you navy chef/cook ? You don't know how real war is fought, your SANDF has almost ZERO war experience in 20 years....no air defence missile commander will fire 3 missiles at 3 targets, he will fire at least double.....reason is the enemy jet pilot can use ECM or chaff and flares to defeat the first salvo of missiles, but the second salvo will score a hit. That is what a Roland operator is trained to do.....nobody in SANDF knows that because your country has NOTHING in the class of Roland today, South Africa has NO ground based radar guided air defence missile systems....Nigeria is your master today.

You are back as a navy cook to say anti-aircraft guns are better than anti-aircraft missiles.

So envious of Nigerian Roland you now say SANDF GDF gun is better in that war, show us where GDF gun, one GDF gun alone shot down a jet and 2 bombs at the same time....show us....

Envy is k.illing the navy cook of South Africa, let me rub my Roland photo in your ugly face again this early morning....
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It fired 8 missiles no mention of number of targets.

SAAF actually trains against radars. You know high end ones unlike yours.

Look at the Falklands war and see what had more kills.

agaugust:
[size=16pt] Strong enough evidence for you to have edited and deleted it off Wikipedia

The original source is actually Janes Defence world respected military source, and the Wikipedia quote had an approved citation of source....citation #12....Janes Defence publication of Falkland war history.

All evidence posted below, @Pateches is beaten up blue black again [/size]



[size=16pt]Next time, don't you ever dare the truth, eat the humble pie
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The British flew how many attacks over the island. Of alll those flights it fired 8 times and missed 5 times. And they where going up against subsonic aircraft many with out dated counter measures. The best AA in that war where the GDF 35mm guns with far more kills.

morpheus24:
Hmm let see about 5 million Whites in SA. extrapolate the adult male population from that number and you probably get about 1.5 million which means pretty much all of you have guns awaiting.

Hmmm. Are you preparing for an invasion.

And they claim SA is not a violent country.

Some are. They normally have more than one. My grandfather had 3 pistols 3 rifles, 2 shotguns 1 lever action. But still it not only white people who own guns. Just that most legal gun owners are white.


The numbers are interesting. Here is a nice site on it.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/south-africa

MikeCZAR:
Cuba and South Africa did it in 704 and 80s, enemy commanders will not expect it and likely send their aircraft 20km+ away to try locate the guns and MRLs.

But it is dangerous.

South Africa captured tons of enemy artillery pieces at the front lines.

G5 all most had to engage Cuban tanks in a direct fire battle. But it is nothing new.

The German 88mm where anti guns that had to fire on French and brit tanks. It was so effective that it became a dedicated AT gun. The Brita all so pressed there 3.7inch AA in to AT guns on occasion and used the 25pounder in the AT role once the 2pounder was made obsolete but before the arrival of the 6 pounder.

natureblack:
It is "Afrophobia" not Xenophobia. (thought mine)






Disparagingly,the term "Foreigner" usually refers to African non-nationals.People from the Americas and Europe are referred to as "expats" or "tourists".


Annoyingly,a Zimbabwean can run a shop in a township,get raided and beaten up,while a white immigrant in town continues to run a restaurant full of patrons.
Despicable

There are over 2 million legally owened firearms in south African civilians hands. More than every armerd government employee. Most are owned by white people. A African living in SA Is a easy target since they isolated and unarmed.

I all ways run in to issues when posting pics from defenceweb. Here is the source so others can maybe do it.
http://defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=126&Itemid=136

http://defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38900:high-impact-at-rheinmetall-denel-defence-day&catid=7:Industry&Itemid=116



One of the world’s largest live-firing demonstrations got underway at the Overberg Test Range earlier this week when Rheinmetall and Denel hosted the second Defence Day, aimed at showcasing Rheinmetall Denel Munition’s capabilities to 400 guests from 57 countries around the world.

The first Defence Day was held at Alkantpan in the Northern Cape. Another Defence Day is scheduled to be held five years from now. For 2015’s edition, held at the Range on April 22 and 23, Rheinmetall and Denel joined forces to display a wide range of weapons and ammunition, from 40 mm grenades to guided bombs.

A wide range of artillery shells was demonstrated, ranging from 105 to 155 mm and in various different types from practice to tracer and illuminating. Shells were fired from nearly 50 kilometres away to land on the Range, and were also fired from the Range at various targets from a self-propelled T5-52 howitzer. This mounts a G5 towed gun on a truck, with the howitzer firing from the rear for an unobstructed arc of fire. It can fire three rounds in under 20 seconds in burst mode.

The artillery shells fired contained various different payloads such as illumination, screening smoke, high explosive, High Explosive Pre-Formed Fragmented (HE PFF), infrared illumination and Velocity-Enhanced Extended Range Shells (VLAP), which use rocket and base bleed assistance for ranges in excess of 40 kilometres. The 155 mm Assegaai HE PFF shell, for example, contains 18 000 tungsten pellets that are lethal out to 50 metres. The Assegaai shell features insensitive explosives that will not easily detonate when struck by bullets, for example.

A 76 mm OTO Melara naval gun was brought in and this fired tracers as well as PFF ammunition to disable a simulated anti-ship missile mounted on a pole down the range.

A South African Air Force Hawk was used to demonstrate the Al Tariq glide bomb developed by joint Denel/Tawazun company Tawazun Dynamics. The Hawk flew tens of kilometres out to sea before launching the weapon, which glided in over land to hit its target almost dead on. Other South African Air Force aircraft were involved in the demonstration, namely the Seeker 200 (which demonstrated its surveillance capabilities, such as being able to see a tennis ball on the ground at 5 000 feet), and the Rooivalk, which fired FZ 70 rockets and 20 mm cannon rounds at targets on the range. South Africa was one of the earliest customers for the Belgian FZ 70 rockets and Rheinmetall Denel Munition is the exclusive supplier of its rocket propellant.

The Plofadder minefield breaching system caused a big impact, with two different versions of the system being demonstrated: a backpack portable version and the Plofadder 160AT Mk II trailer-borne version containing 560 kg of insensitive explosive to clear minefields.

Denel Dynamics demonstrated the seven second rocket motor for its Umkhonto air-to-surface missile while a Badger missile variant fired an Ingwe anti-tank missile at a target down the range. The Ingwe has a tandem warhead and can penetrate more than 1 000 mm of rolled homogenous armour. However, for the demonstration an inert warhead was used. The Badger also fired its 30 mm CamGun, developed by Denel Land Systems. A BAE Systems RG35 also had the chance to fire its cannon, at a derelict tank down the range.

Various small and medium calibre weapons were demonstrated, notably Denel Land System’s new LCT turret (7.62 mm SS-77 machinegun) aboard a new generation Casspir and Rippel Effect and Milkor’s grenade launchers (which fired smoke, high explosive and less lethal ammunition). Some of the less lethal ammunition fired by the grenades included multi-bang flash bangs (each grenade contains several explosive charges) and rapidly deploying teargas (multiple pellets in one grenade, which also makes it difficult for people to pick up and throw back the canister). An automatic grenade launcher was also put through its paces. Both low, medium and high velocity ammunition was used.

Various mortars were put through their paces, namely 60, 81 and 120 mm mortar bombs fired from M4, M6, L16 and M5 mortars. Various types of rounds were demonstrated, such as screening smoke, high explosive, illumination etc.

Apart from the weapons, the list of pyrotechnics demonstrated included hand-fired rocket flares, hand grenades (lethal and less lethal), illuminating grenades, smoke grenades and signalling grenades.

Denel Land Systems division Mechem put on a dog show, using its highly trained dogs to detect hidden explosives in a vehicle and drugs on a person. The dogs also demonstrated their attack skills by chasing and bringing down running targets. The dogs are trained to sniff out many different things, such as rhino horn, currency and cellphones in addition to drugs and explosives.

Rheinmetall Denel Munition specialises in the field of ammunition, including design, development and manufacturing, particularly regarding artillery, mortar and infantry systems as well as plant engineering. While Rheinmetall Defence does most of its business with NATO countries, Rheinmetall Denel Munition covers not only the South African market but also Asia, the Middle East and Latin America. RDM’s factories in South Africa are all at 100% capacity and some are even running 24 hours a day to keep pace with demand.

Rheinmetall Denel CEO Norbert Schulze said that RDM makes the most modern ammunition in Africa that is on a par with international manufacturers. For example, RDM displaced a French company in manufacturing the propellant for the FZ 70 rocket. Schulze noted that the company’s turnover was five times that after Rheinmetall took over six years ago. Denel Group CEO Riaz Saloojee also praised the success of RDM, saying that when companies partner with Denel, they partner with South Africa since Denel is 100% state owned and as a result can guarantee long-term relationships.

A large number of other companies were involved in the Defence Day, including Pretoria Metal Pressings (PMP), Denel Land Systems, BAE Systems, Denel Dynamics, Rheinmetall Defence, Denel Aviation, Overberg Test Range, Forges de Zeebrugge, Ripple Effect, Milkor, and Mechem, amongst others.

Centrifude:
True the problem is that most of their goods are sent in illegally and tax free, and their businesses aren't registered so they don't pay tax like other South Africans, and that's my only problem with all those Businesses.

But its a good thing the government is working on tackling that issue right now.

The somlian shop in Simmons town uses as goods. All so he pays taxes.

The owner is interesting. He was In Mogadishu during the whole Blackhawk down thing. Got shot then to.

denisfidha:
I remember when Kenya joined AMISOM, during the negotiation, the UN had refused to include Naval assets to the Somali mission, kenya had spent 10million dollars in 1year for the navy alone http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/1615192/-/xatqbez/-/index.html I still don't know if the current re-reimbursements include the navy. for the rest of air and ground troops KDF spends on average 43 million dollars per six months

Depends on the naval ship. If you bring a few patrol boats(think armerd speed boats) think the organization should cover them. But any naval ship bigger enough for a name should be a separate issue. They cost a lot to keep at 85% readiness and a simple issue can render them non opernal.

MikeCZAR:
Sophisticated systems aren't magic. Most "stealth aircraft" are stealthy not stealth. Stealth is stealth though.

What these offer is that what you could detect 150km, you'll be able to detect at 60km.

Certain western tanks can launch missiles too like the LAHAT. Russian tanks are just upgraded T-72 and T-80 tanks.

And yes, Russia since the days of the stalin organ to today's tornado MRL system has been way ahead of the west in that field. No western MRL can today match the Smerch.

But to stay stealth one must keep there radar off.

Certain and in small numbers of western tanks have had ATGMs. Of the current western style MBT I believe the merkeva is there only 3rd gen tank that carries ATGMs. Really only upgraded T72s. The T90 was all most just labelled as another T72 upgrade. The T80s are being replaced for easier to maintain T72s and T90s. The T14 will be there first new tank since the 1980s.

Russia all do as great SAM's. Probably makeing up for the fact the west massively out classes there air force in quality and quantity.

Centrifude:
We want more!!

I always had a feeling that the crappy gear we see our SF guys using on displays and exercises was not the stuff they use on actual deployments.

That Camouflage R5 looks awesome.

All ways been mission dependent.

Patchesagain:
We dont use the Oryx as "combat support" either

We do. Combat support is a very broad term. In the DRC a Oryx flew with a Forward air control on board who was guiding a pare of rooivalks on there attack runs.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_support

MikeCZAR:
In terms of aircraft technology Russia is still behind. The west introduced the B-2 spirit bomber, F-117 strike aircraft, F-22 and now the F-35 while the east grapples with its projects. The T-50 is still a promise.

Stealth coupled with tactics like NOE and EW systems can be a game changer, it isn't a giant leap though like jet engines.

Russia has always been trying to catch up, look at maritime systems. The Russians even tried getting western vessels. The fact that Russia isn't seen much action means they'll continue to follow western military trends.

Russia has never put Much in to stealth. Simply because stealth is not really stealth. Russia puts lots of FLIRs on there fighters that can pic up a stealth fighter. The stealth fighter can't use its radar and Russian can't see it on there's. But that FLIR viva the Russian an edge.

Where the west is ahead electronics. Of course Russia is ahead in other ways. Ruusian ERA is the best and there tanks have tube launched ATGMs that allow them to fire well out of the range of western tanks. Western tanks though have more armour (but are all most 20 tons heavier) Russia all so as great MRLS Russian stuff all so needs less maintenance except for the T80 that gas turbine engine is a problem. If there is one thing I like from Russia it is there new heavy IFV and APCs.

stillchris:
rubbish. they look disorganised and unprofessional.

go look up Nigerian marine commandos beach assault drill conducted last year. that was a beauty.

How so. Some explanation please.

agaugust:
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@Asuokaa has another two sources contained in his own source which are NOT blogs.

Same way you Southies have been posting some sources claiming that Soviets fought in Angola. The guy has opened up a new issue and controversy on this topic and you cannot just dismiss his case, he has sources :




The fact that as many as 5,000 Nigerian troops fought in Angola around 1976-77 may be the most widely-unknown fact in the annals of Nigeria’s very long history of foreign military operations.

In the aftermath of January 1976 OAU summit where General Murtala Muhammed in his timeless “AFRICA HAS COME OF AGE” outing decisively swung the support of the OAU and Africa in favour of the MPLA regime, to the chagrin of their UNITA and FNLA competitors, the FMG backed up the new MPLA government with N13.5m(US$20m) and sent a squadron of MiG-17 jet fighters in support.

It has now emerged that as many as 5,000 Nigerian troops were deployed to Angola and that they saw action in various theatres across the then war-blighted country.

Writing in an article entitled “MOSCOW’S NEXT TARGET IN AFRICA;Paying the Price for Angola“, Robert Moss clearly indicates that ….

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“The Nigerians are said to be heavily involved in Angola. Western intelligence sources report that Nigerian troops were present at battalion strength when the MPLA and the Cubans pushed south last year. According to UNITA sources in Paris, the Nigerian strength has since been reinforced.

UNITA sources have tapes of radio intercepts showing that at least 5,000 Nigerian troops have been deployed in Angola. They are operating as far south as Mocamedes, and are also based in Lobito, Luanda and the eastern diamond mining town of Henrique de Carvalho.

UNITA claims to have intercepted radio communications in English (the common language between the Nigerians, the Cubans and the MPLA), in the Ibo, Hausa and Yoruba dialects, and in a form of pidgin Creole…..An intriguing sidelight is that UNITA also claims that a British shipping line played a key role in ferrying Nigerian troops and military supplies to Angola.

Nigeria, rich in oil and boasting an army of some 210,000 men, can clearly afford to be more than rhetorical in its backing for the guerrilla movements of southern Africa.” END OF QUOTE

Corroborating this report, the world-renowned photo-agency GETTY IMAGES in an archival photo dated 1 January 1977 actually bears a caption which read as follows;

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“Caption: 1977: An Angolan soldier crawls beneath barbed wire trenches during training. Dr Jonas Savimbi and his UNITA movement is doing well in its fight against the ruling MPLA (Movement For The Liberation Of Angola), and its Cuban allies. UNITA claims to control at least half of Angola. In addition to the Cuban forces, Western intelligence sources report that at least 5000 Nigerian troops are also deployed in Angola, on the side of the MPLA. (Photo by Keystone/Getty Images). Date created: 01 Jan 1977 “. END OF QUOTE


http://www.rhodesia.nl/moss4.htm

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/3336214/Hulton-Archive
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No where does it say Nigeria fought in Angola. Mocamedes never saw any ground combat and the only fighting there was a air strike in the late 80s. The Cubans defended the town.

jteku:
why arethis choppers not always armed

Many many reasons. Could be a training flight, ferrying, or they not need for the mission.

NaijaPikinGidi:
It's a guess when you use the word PROBABLY. It's guess when you have not backed your claim with factual evidence to support your personal opinion!

Keep guessing ... as long as it keeps your pots cooking!

The alternative don't look good for Nigeria.

frumentius:
Those restrictions again. Suffice to say most systems are procured and evaluated; greater leeway for personal preference, provided it's mission-specific etc. I could though, tell you what was happening with that pic:
1) Mai-Mai pre-dawn attack on Alpha Company base up in Nyabiondo repelled;
2) 3 troops injured and rebels melt into the jungle;
3) QRF mobilised - 1 Oryx for medevac, 1 specially equipped for command in hot pursuit;
4) The operator in this pic was the Forward Air Controller in the command Oryx tasked with tracking the rebels in the jungle and guiding the pair of Rooivalk when they joined the fight.

It is mentioned in this report.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2014/08/22/south-africa-at-war-in-the-drc--the-inside-story

agaugust:
BBC and CNN have posted many lies about Nigerian army on Boko Haram war many times, have they lost credibility?

News media can always claim that another source feeds them with wrong information and they may not even apologize.

The Germans may not be interested in trading allegations about who fired wrongly, it's South Africa now struggling to refute what your own country's newspapers said and your own citizens blamed the SANDF Frigate for the incident.

We need official publication from German navy itself to confirm, or else it's your word against theirs and still a trade of allegations and blame
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If CNN or BBC say any thing wrong about Nigeria even if it is true every one in Nigeria says they lying. Not one German as said any thing.

agaugust:
The source is actually defenceweb.....NOT German embassy official message line, the story is on defenceweb and quoted no single German embassy official or press release.

Show us a German embassy official publication.

South African military issues always get wrapped up in controversy, you never come clean with facts and proof
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Absence of a response is a response. Aka defencweb a news site would loose all credablety if it said a embassy said something it did not.

agaugust:
Can we get a source from German navy to confirm this report? It remains a one sided allegation until the accused admits guilt. Fair justice.
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German embassy is a pretty good source don't you think.

NaijaPikinGidi:
You are talking RUBBISH. Probably? Keeping guessing ... that's all we make South Africans to do!

It is not a guess. It is option based on the facts before me. All units have UMSO.


You do know I was in fact defending the Nigerian army. A UMSO or what ever the Nigerian army calls them are part of the units command structure. They don't need to leave the base. But you Like most of the posters here don't know anything about the military.

I would just like to point out that the Nigerian intelligence officer seen in the vice report is probably a unit military security officer. A type of Counter intelligence officer and not a tactical intelligence or scout. Military Intelligence have many branches.




There is a documentary on YouTube that shows you our base in Sudan.

agaugust:
You have power cut issues today, I have a new Southie contact with me here, he tells me it will take many years to build new capacity and get South African enough electricity supply. You will remain screwed up for a long long time, massive power supply capacity CANNOT be built overnight.

Thou shalt survive on candles for many years, thus saith thy critical condition
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With our current capacity we supply power to southern Africa. Sure we struggling but at least we have.

agaugust:
Life gets worse in Southie Kingdoms...

https://www.sapeople.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/candle-e1417992287456.jpg

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You do know we have not had issues for some time now.

agaugust:
Does anyone know that Su-30 Flanker jets with BVR missiles secretly entered service with NAF ?

Yes but they crashed them all.

Henry120:
A Doctor with only a backpack is a medic you fool.




Okay, your doctor only had a backpack. That's all the supplies he had. He didn't even have the essentials.


That's all the supplies he had for 400 troops....... Like this is any better.

Please don't cry, I can't offer you wipes.

Pathetic force.

They very big backpacks. Enough to gear is in it for a small surgery.