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Henry120:
Yes, customer preference.

The Apache is the best military helicopter, yet the U.S military also purchased viper helicopters. Both platforms are designed to complement each other.

You do, this debate does, as the both ordered the MI-35 and Viper.


Nigeria has the MI-171sh and gazelle to complement it's hind.

Henry120:
This is may of 2015. How far have they gone?

Henry120:
It does you m0ron!!

Henry120:
All countries you listed fly both the MI-35m and the MI-28n. The MI-35m isn't been replaced, customer preference determines what other type their respective forces require.

Is the AH-1z viper replacing the Apache in U.S military service?

The Pakistanis ordered both MI-35 and AH-1 viper, so which is replacing which in pakistani service?

The Helicopters are designed to complement each other m0ron.

Henry120:
The pn has similar up-grades as the MI-35m. The MI-35m is the latest variant of the MI-35 in the market. It is also russia's primary attack Helicopter.

The best Russian version is the MI-35m.

Henry120:
Why would anyone want the Super-Hind, when the Nigerian Airforce operates the MI-35m Hind E?

agaugust:
Muzzle velocity decreases with calibre size, a 30 mm gun will have less ammo speed than a 2o mm, that is science.

H.ell, a double 30 mm gun has 3 times the killing power of a 20 mm.....the Mi-35 has 3 times the firepower of Rooivalk.

30 mm gun will penetrate most armoured vehicles using standard shells, the 30 mm gun of the Hind helicopter is the same on Su-25 Frogfoot and that is a powerful jet aircraft in ground attack role.

A Mi-35 Hind can carry two 30 mm x 2 barrel gun pods on wing stub and one 12.7 mm x 4 barrel gun on nose.....even Apache won't do that, talk less of a Rooivalk. Mi-35 is just a killing machine the world cannot refuse....over 2,500 units sold to over 20 countries worldwide. The buyers are not fools.

agaugust:
How many Hinds in this world use SA 20 mm gun ? There are over 2,500 Mi-24/35 Hind helicopters, so how may came to South Africa to change to 20 mm gun? Russia, India, Ethiopia, Brazil, Angola.....how many units changed to your type of Rooivalk gun ? You don't know the meaning of the word most? No you don't.

all4naija:
Do you think we are talking about war where people carry spears and shields like the Zulus? You don't know what you are saying. Nigerian army will decimate all your soldiers before you know it. Keep thinking that those polished metals you claim to be weapons in storage will help you.In the first case, no good pilots to use your decaying Gripen fighter jets in the freezer or whatever! Bwahaha...

MikeCZAR:
5km+ canon.

6km rockets.

Just like a fixed wind aircraft the apache carries one canon? What are you saying?

Yes, it cannot.

agaugust:
Citations needed for the Rooivalk rocket and cannon ranges. Rooivalk cannon is 2 km range confirmed by it's own SAAF pilot.

Hind carries 3 cannon types/options and can carry two different gun types together at the same time, nose gun and pylon gun :

4 barrel 12.7 mm

2 barrel 23 mm

2 barrel 30 mm

Rooivalk carries only one type of cannon.... 1 barrel 20 mm

Hind cannot hover? You ever seen a helicopter that cannot hover? Then what you say is not a helicopter. Ability to hover is the unique feature of every helicopter in this world. Olodo.

jl115again:
Looks Like we have one less Olifant!

agaugust:
Infantry man ? Privates, NCO, CO in Infantry units are all infantry men.....that is the name of their unit/regiment....not rank !

Fool.

You were trying to say the old grey haired SANDF NCO or CO don't go to war, they just train the privates, then I exposed your fraud by asking....who leads the infantry privates into battle ?

Then you realized you had lied your way into a trap as usual

Now you agree with me that NCO infantry men will lead Privates/ranks infantry men into battle, I forced you to agree, you did not know I would trap you in your own net....it was sweeeeet
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agaugust:
You posted GDF claims and boasted about it without a single citation, I asked you to proof your claim and you ran away, so you are afraid to prove with sources that an AAA gun is better than Roland SAM.....come on now, navy cook....slice these onions and lets fry eggs
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agaugust:
Ordinary tank classified? Is it a nuclear weapon? Your submarine acquisition was not classified....dundees

agaugust:
Did you pay for it? Is it in service? Was it not returned after evaluation?

SANDF does NOT list it in your army arsenal, so you do NOT have it
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agaugust:
Did you pay for it? Is it in service? Was it not returned after evaluation?

SANDF does NOT list it in your army arsenal, so you do NOT have it
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agaugust:
South African air force officer @Fighter Pilot with South African BSc degree in military science does not know his own air force's Gripen jet ground search radar range, and you are now begging me to help your country find it as a military researcher....a Nigerian military researcher.

You have no shame ? You cannot even google it yourself?

Remember the Roland Vs Bomb Janes defence humiliation.....better be careful this time around bra....find that radar range yourself and post it now to avoid me humiliating South Africa again today

Are your 50 million brains too dull to find that simple information? You need a Nigerian brain to save you as usual ?
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jln115:
This is the TTD, a prototype ,its not in service with the SANDF.

agaugust:
Sarcasm does not apply in that argument, we showed him photos of NAF Mi-24V and Alpha USAir in service. We have them !

@jn115 is claiming his country has LEO tanks in SANDF service which are not recorded by SIPRI, so we ask him to show us even one single unit in service that SIPRI has missed, the same way they missed NAF Mi-24V and Alpha USAir

He became unreasonable, and we know how to deal with such people here
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agaugust:
The Leo MBT in Karoo IS NOT in service with SANDF.....no records on SIPRI....no reports from SANDF.....never seen in armoury or army base
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agaugust:
SANDF tank...

agaugust:
Citation needed....pocket your emotional talk

Show us source of GDF jet kills in Falkland war...the way I proved Roland shot down bombs
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agaugust:
Nope, your own very source says SADF deployed Cactus SAM in battle of Quito and Cuban boys captured it as SADF troops fled back to base in Seleka Bangui style.

Your own comment and source says SADF had been used to abandoning heavy equipment since the time of Cuba, not just Seleka....



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agaugust:
How was Cuba inspecting your SADF Cactus if they did not capture it? You gave your enemy your missile system as free Christmas gift?

Only you South African dullards think Germany and France were using a 1964 radar on their Rolands in 1985 to 2005. You fools

J Band or D band, SADF had 1960s Thompson radars. Nigeria has 1980s Siemens-Thompson radar. They are different.

Proof....SADF Thompson radar of 1964 is an older weaker version with 4.5 km altitude :

In July 1964, South Africa placed a development contract with the French company, Thomson-Houston (later Thomson-CSF) for a mobile, all-weather, low-altitude surface-to-air missile system. Mounted on the top of the vehicle is a Thomson-CSF pulse Doppler radar with fixed-echo suppression which rotates at 60 rpm and has a maximum detection range of 18.5 km against low-level targets with speeds of between 35 and 440 m/s and altitude limits between zero and 4,500 m .

Nigerian Roland radar is newer and more powerful, more sophisticated, it has 5.5 km or 5,500 m altitude

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/roland.htm

Sorry loser, South Africa bought a useless type of 1960s radar and Cuban boy soldiers captured your air defences to examine it in their laboratory....what a humiliation
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agaugust:
Show me source for GDF kills in Falkland war....details of jets shot down
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