₦airaland Forum

Henry120:
Well, your defence minister did describe your. military as burdened with an array of equipment it has no skill or technical knowledge to operate and maintain.

No where did she say there where "no". There is a shortage not zero. Big diffrence and it is mainly due to how long it takes to qulfie. It can take up to 1 year for a mech to be qulfied as a duty tech on a frigat that excludes his training and other courses. It takes years for a piot to qet his wings, hell even MRS take 1 year of training(has in 1 year of time on course) before they qulfie. Basic SF training (has before they spelcize and after selecstion) is 17 months. Normal infantry training is all ready 9 months. A comms ratting in the navy does a 9 month course and needs to get 80% plus on his test to pass. A officer in the navy spends 9 months at officer training and arround 2 years at the defence college or unversty before becoming some junior officer that is allowed to train in the fleet. So yes there is shortage of qulfie people.

Henry120:
Nigeria is buying No scorpion fighters.

When defence web said you bought a merlin in a VIP role you said no such think took place. They now posted a pic of it in Nigeria. 2 difrent milltary news agencies reported Nigerias intened to buy the scorpion and you say they both wrong?

And yes nigeria has not in fact paid for any thing.

sirjerry:
I think they are only about 4 countries in the world nigeria included, that have underwater training facilities.Right?

Countries I know have underwater training faclties.

USA, UK, France, Germany, Russia, Ausstriala, RSA, extra extra. They not that uncommen just uncommen in africa.

EVarn:
its just part of the aircrafts that the government wants to buy,we've already ordered for aircrafts from belgium,russia,ukraine,pakistan,and china in large quantities.but many of them havent arrived yet.when all our aircrafts arrive,we gonna have over to 250 aircrafts.dont let these saffers pry into your psyche with their malicious lies.

Nope. No orders are in other than a VIP chopper, not even for the scorpion order is in. You guys want to replace stuff.

Centrifude:
I hope this is just a temporal solution while they close the deal on acquiring better Aircrafts, the J-17 or Su-30s would be a way better option, and considering how America is C0ck blocking them, I think it'd be better to go to the East.

But Seriously why is Nigeria being so Cheap, Nigerian Government has a lot of money.

Because the scorpion is what they need. It actually a good choice for them to replace there alpha jets.

EVarn:
catfish,
-many of your gripen are grounded.
-your submarines are no better than cans of sardine under the sea.
-many of your pilots are too old to even fly a red kite.
-your infantry lacks training and discipline{which is rather obvious as they always stick their d_icks into anything with holes}
-your logistics lack maintainance
-most of your weapons are outdated,and even obsolete
-most of your soldiers are HIV infested{like i said,they f.uck anything with a hitched-up skirt or sagging trousers}
-you lack funds to upgrade many outdated equipments

None are grounded, they rotate them around
In what way?
Nope our pilots are all young and fit.
Proof this point and then proof your army has disserplin and training considering there action on deployment and back home.
again no proof
again no more than any other country and I am including first world countries.
Hive rate in the SANDF is well bellow the level of most African countries
We have more funds per solder than Nigeria and any other country people put in there top 5 or 10 list so we have more funds than you.

agaugust:
There is ONLY ONE PGM in SAAF and you have only about 15 units of it, Paveway Guided bombs.

NAF Mi-35M and Alpha Jets have capacity to deliver PGM if we buy guided bombs and air to ground guided missiles.

NAF has the capacity but is not using it yet
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So, we have them and can build our own.

Do you have any? no, and realy with what laser designator will your alpha jets use?

So they don't have it?

EVarn:
goal!!!!
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Nigeria 2 - 2 Bafana bafana
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you gotta see the roar in uyo stadium.
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#GONIGERIA

*cough* we all ready qualified win or loose *cough*

Henry120:
You say Nigeria doesn't have modern MBT's, you are shown one, and you start saying, #excuse me, na lie, na lie, no b we get am. Na because sy we don live our life in a way to expect d worst dat na y whn we see good thing for our country, we go say na lie, no be we get am.

Angola operates only 22 T-72M1 bought from belarus.

The president has approved 2 billion dollars for the military, specifically for equipment purchase, the 1 billion dollars loan isn't a cash loan, we are getting 1 billion dollars worth of equipment from various suppliers, especially from belarus, and the Ukraine.

This is the fact.

T72 is not modern has such and most of the models in Africa are the crappy monkey models that are not worth a dam. Any case the T72 is not that good of a tank.

Henry120:
Actually, there is proof. Proof i've posted multiple times in the other thread. Besides, the NA soldier in the T-72 is prove enough.

the big question I have is ERA, no other Nigerian AFV is shown to use it but it is in this pic. No other pic of T72s even at parades and the T82 was talked about so it is not like the T72 is a big secret

EVarn:
the SANDF:
-uses outdated equippments
-havent fought a air,land and sea battle ever before
-havent solely fought in a conventional warfare{without losing}
-have few trained personnel to man their "sophisticated" equippments
-have one of africa's{and the world's} weakest airforce
-have half of their military equippments grounded due to lack of funds and aviation fuel
-has one of the world's weakest infantry with half dead soldiers
so tell me,how are you gonna blitz the NA?

No more outdated than any other country. I mean the ratel is 1970s but so are a lot of things used by first world countries

And Neither has Nigeria, though there is no Nay in Africa for SAN to fight with, we could sink a lot of the ships used in Africa with our wake.

Not true, we have to few people to use our equipment in storage.

With more modern fighters than any African air force, I mean really this shows you fing retarrd

Again not a issue uncomen in the world today, even the Germans are struggling.

You mean the best equipped infantry in Africa, with the best training in Africa with the most support in Africa?

agaugust:
Bofors FH-77B range with it's own 'VLAP' called EXCALIBUR is 60km.

Both NA and SANDF have no such rocket assisted shell.

Another Mokopa ATGM tragedy
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EXCALIBUR is not V-lap it is a high end joint US-Sweden GPS guided shell that needs a lot of high end sytems on the front line for it to be used. And the list of EXCALIBUR users is tinny.

SA on the other hand makes and sells there own V-Lap rounds.

agaugust:
NAF and SAAF both have air to air guided missiles with about same combat capability.

If Nigeria has no missiles for our jets, South Africa too has NONE

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Though SAAF does have PGMs where NAF does not even have the means to deploy them

agaugust:
I set a trap for you and you have fallen inside it

Less dense air begins immediately you go up from sea level, at every metre or feet you go up, even at 100 metres air is less dense, so the effect of less dense air should also affect artillery guns on a city just 500m above sea level, it does not only happen at mountain height.

Prove to me that at 500m in many African cities, the less dense air effect does not help increase artillery range

Also prove to me that the definition of high altitude meaning of the Indian army analysis is only 2.6km high mountain, the army captain did NOT mention any particulat height, and the most of Africa off the coast is about 500m to 8km high including ordinary cities and Kilimanjaro mountain ranges.

At high altitude, there is less dense air because there is far less oxygen to breathe, so how do they soldiers survive at that level of high altitude where the air gets less dense, so at the great altitude where the density of air reduces so much, human beings cannot survive for long as the soldiers will have much less oxygen to breathe and they will die.

So how does an army deploy to that great altitude and the soldiers stay there in position to fight without enough oxygen for survival ?


"Altitude and weather systems : As you go higher, the air's pressure decreases from around 1,000 millibars at sea level to 500 millibars at around 18,000 feet.

Effects of lower density on humans :

If you go high enough, either by climbing a mountain or going up in an airplane that does not have a pressurized cabin, you will begin feeling the effects of lower air pressure and density.

As air pressure decreases oxygen continues to account for about 21% of the gasses in the air as it does at sea level. But, there is less oxygen because there is less of all of the air's gasses. For instance, by the time you go to 12,000 feet or 3.6km the air's pressure is about 40% lower than at sea level. This means that with each breath you are getting about 40% less oxygen than at the lower altitude.


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/weather/wdensity.htm

@Patches, your artillery gunners will die of shortage of oxygen by the time you get to where the altitude air is so less dense that your shell range will increase by extra 40%, that is almost half of the original range is added like magic !

Fool
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Why are you argueing? It is a well known fact the higher you go the farther you can shoot due to air densty. The efects at 500m are far less than at 2000m above sea level.

Henry120:
You are wrong. Nigeria has and use T-72's. We got T-72's from the Czech Republic, and have had orders for them from ukraine, including T-84 OPlot-M. I remember a couple years back asking a dependable source about NA T-72's. This source remembers seeing tanks which were not Vickers MBT's at the armoured brigade in illorin.

Until proven otherwise, the photo above is a Nigerian T-72, no doubt.

Neither is there evidence that the N.A uses,
Chinese bigfoot MRAPs, and more

There was and is still no proof of T72s in nigeria. There are 2 T84s in nigeria there for trails since no one buys only 2 tanks.

ocelot2006:
Dunno oh...The vegetation at the background sure looks like what we have up north.

Nigeria does not use T72s Angola does use them.

I can show places in SA that look like france.

EVarn:
we are saying the same thing love,in your words,you said"they{germany} inflected over 70% casualties on SA force"...."many soldiers ran out of ammo and simply withdrew or were captured"- which means germany nearly{perhaps already} won!....you also said : "people have bad misconception about withdrawing,there is nothing wrong with withdrawing"-well,tell that to your fellow saffers who dont know the difference between tactical maneover and "fleeing"

Because many times the Nigerians are routed or forced to withdraw from a major stragic objective. And Nigeria is fighting BH sa fought Germany.

I all so tend to keeping my mocking on this very thread, but even here I await the fully story.

I mean I could start mocking at how Nigeria lost another attack chopper in a fatal crash. But instead I will say NAF is run by morons for waisting money on buying one of the best transport choppers in a VIP transport role.

EVarn:
in your own words you said "a withdrawal may be a general retreat".let me lecture you:
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there are two types of withdrawal;
(a)the tactical withdrawal- this is when troops withdraw force from a place in order to reinforce,restrategize or frustrate the opponent into making a field blunder.
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(b)retreat- this is when troops are facing superior opponents and are in risk of being routed.

And in the case of France the SA forces did both. Though the brige has a whole only did one.

Hence SA did not retreat. Sure a few solders here and there did. But when germany invaded France in WW2 there where cases where germany forces all so retreted. In fact the french CHA2B tanks out gunned and armoured the german tanks and could did force germans forces to retreat. But the battloins, brigads, divstion and Army groups has a whole never retreated.

Henry120:
A 30mm won't be a good idea on the Igirigi. I do not believe it's suspension can handle that sort of a power.

Depends on the round. But you could mount a low reciol 30mm firing half chargerd rounds. Or you can can follow SA and mount some MG151 20s that fire 20x84mm rounds at 750rounds per min. Sure you won't kill any IFV but you will shred Toyats. The MG151 is light enough that the Speciol forces Hornet can carry them.

agaugust:
@ by Nobody, Thank you for this photo, Igirigi is beautiful.

Honestly the French GIAT 30mm cannon is the best but I will avoid a western made weapon and recommend eastern bloc armaments.

Best weapon options for Igirigi can be in two versions (Also add smoke dispensers and night vision equipment)

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_mm_automatic_cannon_2A42

2. http://world.guns.ru/grenade/ch/lg3-e.html

These are the best ways to defeat insurgency threats of toyota technicals with their deadly ZSU-23mm cannons with 2.5km effective range

PHOTO : 2A42 30mm Cannon

Why do you want the weaker block's round. The best in use 30mm round used on a AFF are western (or south african)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_mm_caliber

Any case I think nigeria chose the right 30mm. You don't need a big gun. Bigger the round the less rounds you can cary. In fact I would say a 20x139mm round is a better choice or maybe even a 20x102mm round. BH does not have IFV or any thing that needs a big 30mm. You want lots of ammo a HE effect and a high rate of Fire. The small blast of the 20mm is compensated by the fact you can fire more rounds.

EVarn:
on a second thought,i think that i'll have to agree with you,however,withdrawal when used in context of resistance from a more powerful foe,equals retreat,and retreat means conceding gained grounds{except its a tactical maneover of course},germany nearly won.

Germany threw divisstions at 1 SA infantry brigade and dropped so many shells there only 1 tree survide. They inflect well past 70% cassulties on the SA forces and only got a nearly won. Many SA solders simply ran out of ammo and either withdrew or got captuerd. But the fact is the SA brigade held the woods untill relvied even after suvering losses well beyond that of what a fighting force is expected to survive.


People have this bad misconcepstion on withdrwaing. There is nothing wrong with withdrawing. Routing is a problem.

EVarn:
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like seriously?,what is the difference between withdrawing and retreating or even conceding?!,all are moves made by the military when facing superior and overwhelming firepower....perhaps you need to be lectured on military matters,please tell me where you live in SA.
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even your compatriot,mzilakazi,bowed before my superior analysis,so why forment such lies?
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_(military)

A withdrawal is a type of military operation, generally meaning retreating forces back while maintaining contact with the enemy. A withdrawal may be undertaken as part of a general retreat, to consolidate forces, to occupy ground that is more easily defended, or to lead the enemy into an ambush. It is considered a relatively risky operation, requiring discipline to keep from turning into a disorganized rout or at the very least doing severe damage to the military's morale.

The term retreat is mostly miss used. The correct term is rout

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rout

A rout is a chaotic and disorderly retreat or withdrawal of troops from a battlefield, resulting in the victory of the opposing party, or following defeat, a collapse of discipline, or poor morale.

A routed army often disintegrates into of "every man for himself" or sauve qui peut as the survivors flee for safety. A rout often results in much higher casualties for the retreating force than an orderly withdrawal. On many occasions, more soldiers are killed in the rout than in the actual battle. Normally, though not always, routs either end a battle or provide the moment the winner needs to win decisively a battle (or even campaign).

EVarn:
the south african brigade later wore themselves out against german defense as they were initially tasked by the british to "secure the forest".tell me,isnt it true that after 'defeating' the german battalion,the german later retaliated killing thousands of soldiers,and making the south africans withdraw from some of the captured south delville wood?,werent the south africans later relieved by the british after a series of withdrawals,with iminent defeat looming?.perhaps the below article will reboot your medulla
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http://www.cwgc.org/somme/content.asp?menuid=4&id=4&menuname=Delville+wood&menu=main
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Withdraw and Retreat is not the same thing.

I see aguuby trying to pedel more lies of NAF new fighters.

EVarn:
hmm...and yet when the ACN,ANPP,CPC,DPP and others converged and formed an alliance to become the APC,that still didnt make them the ruling party{though they hold a good deal of legislative power and state executive positions},the PDP still retain executive power{on the federal level} and a substantial legislative backing.in SA,thats a different story,ANC{zuma} embezzles and waste money,and also r*pe young girls with impunity,that goes to show the state of your political structure.

Yet if the weakest of the 3 breaks of (SACP) anc looses the elecstion. Not to menstion the ANC is a democratic orginastion in it's own.

And don't try and comparie SA and Nigerias state corrupstion. The world knows how bad nigeria is.

EVarn:
SA is different from nigeria,in SA the political atmosphere is abysmal at best,with an almost one-side ANC dominated government,while in nigeria the political atmosphere is diverse and competitive,the PDP has different views from the APC,APGA,UPN,CCNP,Accord party etc.these parties can influence different parts of the media{western included}.that article is outdated,the military morale is high.

the ANC only rules because of the tripartaded alliance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-1EpG6PSZg

[img]http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/showthread.php?61105-Kathrin-Preliator[/img]


All so like to point out that the SANDF has been using AHEAD ammo for years on the 35mm DPG used on the Valour.

postmann:
Lies Lies Lies, from glory-thieves. Sources and articles have been posted here repeatedly on this thread. It was an international operation and southafrica was not even leading the operation.


Look for another lie, boy, we gotten used to this one.

Nigerian logic "i dont like it so it must be false"

EVarn:
african bond surpassed that of any other continent or region?,what of the european union?,the NATO?,africans by nature are extremely independent people,if african bond was the best why hasnt SA sent aid,health officials into ebola zone?dlamani zuma that is preaching african solidarity,where is SA or egypt aid in somalia,libya and south sudan.even the north africans consider themselves arabs!.we need integration like NATO

you do know that there are SA aid workers in the ebola hot zones, south sudan and somlia and SA provides concribil support to these regions. SA can only support 3000 solders beyond SA. any more and we over work our solders. To many deployments wear troops and gear out

All your bases are belong to us
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s600x600/1978884_10203536808514108_2949712654870784433_n.jpg?oh=8408cde659feb272c8be274a914a8dbe&oe=54B278BD


Yeah that SAAF and that's a 20mm door gun.

Funnly enough it actually a ww2 german aircraft gun. All so I beilfe we the last user of the MG151. That bad boy has been mounted on casspirs, choppers, SF hornets and the NTW firs the same round.