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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:49pm On Jan 29, 2015
dakingsman:
thats when the pics was taken bro
Meaning she been in servers for about 2 years. NAF did send alphas to be.modified. probably one of them.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:42pm On Jan 29, 2015
dakingsman:
Ok apparently this Alpha Jet is New in Service
Well from 2013 at least. Check the time stamp.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:31pm On Jan 29, 2015
agaugust:
Andrew did you see the stealth OPV NNS Centenary face to face in South African naval base yesterday?
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I posted pics of her, spoke to her crew, meat the Chinese people sailing with and can confirm she is not stealth. Sure not big on the radar. But stealth she is not.


Still she is a nice patrol boat. But the choice of a giant orange life raft is odd to day the least.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:19pm On Jan 29, 2015
dakingsman:
Nigerian Navy Apapa fleet, That ship has never been recorded in service but it is
Whats her role?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:23pm On Jan 29, 2015
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agaugust:
Google it, Nigeria keeps records, 774 police stations collect report from each of the 774 Local Governments including villages
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774 for 160+ million people?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:12pm On Jan 29, 2015
agaugust:
SAN has only one Frigates for war today
Define ready for war. If it war then we have 2. SAN runs on very strict standards. According to civlian standards just about all our ships are sea worthy. But to us we need the primary system and all the back ups working. If one bilge allarm is broken the ship can't deploy. All the engines, pumps, genorators, extra have to work for us to deploy. This high standard is of course can be ignored if the situation is dire enough.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:43pm On Jan 29, 2015
agaugust:
Nigerians have clean bore holes for water, and every LGA has water tap pumps for public use. Very few die from water drinking issues.

You want to insult Nigeria, but your own South Africa is a shiiit hole of premature death per minute per minute !

Death is cheap and for free in South Africa, not only murder, even driving on South African roads is the way to an early grave, Christmas season just last month over 1,300 Southies died in 30 days driving on your death trap roads grin grin


1,376 die on SA roads over festive season

2014-01-09


Pretoria - A total of 1,376 people were killed on South Africa's roads during the festive season, Transport Minister Dipuo Peters said in Pretoria on Thursday.

She was releasing the preliminary festive season road death statistics for the period 1 December 2013 to 7 January 2014.

"For the period under review, there were 1 147 crashes nationally with 1 376 fatalities (Deaths)," she said

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/1-276-die-on-SA-roads-over-festive-season-20140109
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Does Nigeria even keep proper record of murders, road deaths and rapes. He'll do you even have had many cars has us.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:41pm On Jan 29, 2015
agaugust:
No, you should bury your whole body in the sand !

Your story is denied, but this other own story is confirmed and South Africa is NOT denying it.....


[size=16pt]Nigerian Army Trains Current South African Officers In COIN war combat ![/size]



Jaji (Kaduna), NIGERIA - A total of 103 counter insurgency operatives from Nigeria and nine other African countries have concluded a four-week intensive training on internal security.


Graduation of Basic Counter-Terrorism Course for soldiers of the 70th Regular intake in Jaji

The training, which was held at the Armed Forces Command and Staff College, Jaji, Kaduna State, drew participants from 11 agencies and organisations, as well as Senior Course 36 of the college. Other participants were from South Africa ,Togo, Cameroon, Gambia, Burkina Faso, Benin Republic, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Ghana.


The Commandant of the college, Air Vice Marshal John Ifemije, said on Friday at the close of the training that it was meant to enhance the preparedness of the personnel in confronting internal security challenges. He noted that "dealing with complex security challenges these days goes beyond the conventional techniques.


Ifemije urged the participants to use the knowledge gained from the training to strengthen inter agency cooperation, share information and intelligence, adhere to rules of engagement and to seek for the intervention of the military whenever necessary. The commandant commended them on their conduct throughout the exercise and urged them to remain committed to their responsibilities.


Earlier, the Director, Department of Joint Studies of the college, Brig-Gen. Benjamin Ahanato said the training code named 'EX HASKE BIYU,' was the participants to value "joint consultation, sharing of information and freedom of action."

He described the training as "a huge success," and urged them to use the knowledge gained to ensure peace and stability in Nigeria.

(NEWS AGENCY OF NIGERIA)

http://www.africanoutlookonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8196:college-trains-103-counter-insurgency-operatives-from-nigeria-9-other-countries&catid=48:political-news&Itemid=29

Nigeria trains South Africa alongside Togo Republic in COIN way in the same Nigerian Army College, students of SANDF + Togolese Army + Cameroon`s cowardly army that is begging Chad for help !


[size=16pt] GAME OVER !!! [/size]

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Old news. Yes some one from south Africa was there. We go to a lot of events all over the world. But that is not training us in in any thing. South Africa trained the Dec army. By that I mean we trained 3000+ solders from there in one year.

A Nigerian sailor was in south Africa 2 years ago for damage control, fire fighting, sea survival and CBRND training. One guy. Did we train the Nigerian navy? No a Nigerian came to see how we do it. I know people that did the same training in Germany. Did Germany train south Africa? No some guys from sa went to Germany for a course. Even cape verda sends people to train in other countries. I spoke to cape verda solder who trained in France.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 2:45pm On Jan 29, 2015
agaugust:
The original cannon is manual, it never fires by itself, and never killed it's owner in world history as it never fires by itself.

AMSCOR made the automatic device to add on and change the cannon from manual to automatic, the automatic device was crappy bad faulty piece of junk, so it automatically turned the cannon and fired automatically and uncontrollably on it's own masters the SANDF and massacred all your Soldiers in broad day light....Chinese are better than you grin grin
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Actually one did. Resulted no deaths. But it happened. The problem was found but apartheid SA was never told.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:38am On Jan 29, 2015
Patchesagain:
Lol that civilian grade life boat

Must do wonders for the "stealth" vessels radar cross section

Typical example of Nigerians inability to impliment systems properly
Well it is strange seeing it on a opv they not civilian exclusive. They just not normally seen on war ships.


I actually like the boat. She looks Like a good patrol boat.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:04am On Jan 29, 2015
EVarn:
HELICOPTERS DROP FOOD AND ARMS FOR BOKO HARAM
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http://leadership.ng/news/407049/helicopters-dropping-arms-food-boko-haram-idps
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Residents of baga and munguno have claimed seeing 'big' helicopters dropping arms and food supplies into boko haram camps in borno state of nigeria.the leader of the CJTF also confirmed sighting an helicopter hovering over munguno,"i saw an helicopter hovering over munguno barracks,but it didnt drop a single bomb.later i saw another helicopter come,then four people came down out of it using long black ropes,then the helicopter went away again.",according to him,many of boko haram fighters are foreigners,especially chadian arabs,he also claimed that it was the foreign fighters that engaged troops in munguno barracks.it should be recalled that last year november,a military helicopter containing arms,cash and some foreign personnels,crashed in gombi,borno state,but the military authorities denied any involvement with both the helicopter and its content.
If true it shows the level of boldness in BH. They don't control the skies. I mean we might joke about naf but they do have alpha jets and hinds. So the fact a chopper is willing to violate the battle field is something.

Of course BH will now have forghin forces. They probably going to get guns and other gear from Libya.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:46am On Jan 29, 2015
Wants with Nigerians saying the A109 is grounded. They been flying again for some time. One of them is part of the rescue mission In Mozambique.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:41am On Jan 29, 2015
agaugust:
The Swiss made the gun manual and it has never killed it's owner or operator in world history, South Africa now manufactured an automatic system and fixed it on the gun, that AMSCOR product is a faulty junk piece and it turned the gun on it's owners, killing and maiming many SANDF soldiers....South African made junk system killed South African soldiers....deal with your bad product tonguetongue

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/9-killed-in-army-horror-1.374838
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Actually you have read all the articles on this. I know that. So you know it failed due to a design defect. In fact a another countries GDF had all so failed, not every mistake leads to losses of live or even damage of property.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:17pm On Jan 28, 2015
agaugust:
Show us photo of DENEL civilian staff fighting as soldiers in Angola !
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Read the book "first in last out"
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:15pm On Jan 28, 2015
agaugust:
1 million is figurative, you should know that.

Means we can build as many Igirigi as we can get engines to buy, Ford will give us 50,000 engines if we pay. DICON can produce 100,000 mortars if we pay.

All am saying us equipment you don't have in arsenal is never counted as military might, world military power ranking sites don't count DENEL products unless SANDF has them in service after purchase. DENEL won't give you free weapons, they ran into heavy debt and almost collapsed around 2012 untill government used cash to bail them out.

No free DENEL drones for you, SANDF does NOT have any Seeker drone in service and NO Mokopa missile that the drone is designed to carry.

You have neither the drone nor it's missile, Nigerian air force has combat drones armed with missiles so we are superior to you in military technology, your SANDF is a rag tag photographers club tonguetongue
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Pay with what money. Your APCs are based on commercial chasies you don't make and use engines you do not make. Made from metal you do not refine.

Many of the systems I am talking about do not need to be made. They built. In 1991 Saatchi gave denel all there seeker drones and denel has flown them ever since. The cheetahs are all so with denel. There are even talks about bringing back some of our over 1000 Eland armourd cars back to active serves. We have over 2000 buffel APCs and countless other gear. These weapons are not listed in our orbit of battle but they still there.
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:28pm On Jan 28, 2015
Henry120:
What site did you get these photos off?
No photo showing the ship in the open sea?
it a South African forum(SAAF forum), they private photos that where taken (by doug)

Sorry no pics of it at sea, I did see her come along side but I am not going to waist time tacking a pic with a cell phone.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:25pm On Jan 28, 2015
agaugust:
SAN has only ONE frigate alive, the others are dead fish tanks tonguetongue
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just because your poor does not mean we poor
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:25pm On Jan 28, 2015
agaugust:
Sea trial video proved it test fired missiles, currently not armed with missiles but proved it can be armed if need for missiles arises. We don't need missiles to arrest pirates. NN has shifted plans to smaller missile armed boats coming from China as stop gap measures
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you stuck them where?

https://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/Jerrycan_photo/IMG_2011C4_zpsbc304ab0.jpg
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:09pm On Jan 28, 2015
Henry120:
For what it's worth, you weren't missed.

Denel owns drones doesn't equate to the SANDF fielding them, or been able to afford them.

In the Ukraine, their Defence manufacturers export state of the art IFV, Tanks, LAV's, while Ukrainian troops ride in pick-up trucks and "back yard/amateur welded buses".

Do you know why this happens?........... it is because, just like the SANDF, the Ukrainian government is broke, and cannot afford to properly equip the Ukrainian military.


The Fact a defence company makes something, doesn't equate to your military fielding them.
then why was my name mentioned. all so I am now a officer not a chef? Amazing since I am neither.

The Seeker 2 has spent more years being flown by denel for the SA government than was flown by SAAF.

Does the ukrian defence company make enough to keep all there units fully stocked. Ukrian has thousands of stored IFV and Tanks that are still rather modern yet are not used. They sit in massive storge yards rusting away.
http://ukrainetrek.com/blog/army/kharkov-tank-repair-plant/
So your point is what.

A few pages ago you where bragging about some none excited mutually defence pac with ukriane, now they a broke ass poor nastio? You know you buying there old shit.

SA broke? we spend more money than Nigeria on every thing, we have a smaller population to, so who is broke?
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 4:47pm On Jan 28, 2015
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:43pm On Jan 28, 2015
agaugust:
DENEL is a manufacturing company NOT an army, do DENEL staff go to war as soldiers like in Bangui and fight Seleka? Mumu grin
they did in angola
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 3:52pm On Jan 28, 2015
ChukwuCantDie:
Shut your dirty mouth white boy no one cares what you have to say.
if you did not care you would not have responded, the fact you responded is a indication you cared
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 2:38pm On Jan 28, 2015
agaugust:
Me too can say NAF owns AFIT so we will have unlimited number of Amebo drones, NA owns NACE so we have 1 million Igirigi APC anytime we want it. Equation balanced !
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Can you build 1 million igirigi APC, can you build 1 million trucks, hell can you build 1 million engines

Denel has seeker drones and is using them right now
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 12:46pm On Jan 28, 2015
mzilakazi:
There is nothing jealousy from faulty products. First it was Israel which took you for granted and China followed. You are always taken for a ride and I will advise DENEL to offload all of their faulty products in Nigeria for an easy catch.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 12:44pm On Jan 28, 2015
EVarn:
but france never thought that it would lose 17 citizens in two days.but interestingly,it isnt only the 17 people killed that is bothering france.it is that the terrorist were able to carry out such a deadly attack,unstopped in paris,the capital of france,in the very heart of a western capital.it was an embarrasment to france,and the whole of the west.till date,no terrorist has dared to hold hostages in abuja or lagos.
That's beecause the people there thought them welds immune to such attacks. Not the government persay but the people. A folloy of many nations who fight wars far from there lands.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:50am On Jan 28, 2015
EVarn:
"we are not at war"....are you are really that confident of your ability to forsee any form of external aggression?.france made that same statement last year september,when they joined the US Coalition against ISIS,but they are singing a different tune now.
France was and is at war.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:48am On Jan 28, 2015
Henry120:
I almost feel sorry for you.

SAN has 4 Frigates, correct. However, SAN can only afford to keep 1 Frigate at sea. In south-Africa, grounded is just the same thing as decommissioned. Look at your A109's, all grounded. They spent more time grounded than in the air.

"Why does South-Africa even bother with a military"?......... it's absolutely no use.
We have had 3 frigates at sea in short span of each other. Right now we have 2 that can go to sea with a 3rd in Durban in the final stages of her refit.

A109 are not grounded. There is one doing rescue work in Mozambique.

Why does Nigeria buy new gear. BH only steals it.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:42am On Jan 28, 2015
overhypedsteve:
we ve been arresting pirates off the gulf of guinea, we don't blow them to bits. Even if its a patrol vessel it could have been armed with missiles but what role will it serve? or you think we re ready to refrigerate an high cost asset to just sit down and wait for decommissioning. Smaller boat ve being armed with missiles, so when you see us doing what we do, you should know there is a Y for this X
Hardly the point. When I left here last Nigerians where still claiming it was a frigate that could take on our valour class. The fa t it has no missiles is not a insulting. Our frigates put boat davits on the missile deck. Since missiles are not needed for peace time patrols.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:38am On Jan 28, 2015
Henry120:
No, you do not.
It is the stupid responses like this that is why I left.

So what we do not?

Own denel. We do
Build drones we do
Have history of state owened defence industry operating hardware in a operational environment. We do
Operate drones in the Kruger park. We do.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:03am On Jan 28, 2015
agaugust:
American drones are the best in the world and they crash dozens of times, all drones are prone to crashes, no pilot control.

SANDF does NOT have Seeker drone in service, so you have nothing comparable to Nigeria's armed drones in service
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They operated by denel. Denel is run by the government. Thus we have them. The very first oprastional use of Deon in Angola had it being flown by civlians just like the drones in the Kruger park.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 10:48am On Jan 28, 2015
Hey Nigerians. You chiness boat is here. No missiels
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:54am On Nov 28, 2014
bidexiii:
I'll rather stick to my bmp-2 with an armor plate ;33mm(1.3in) with a little compactment than a ratel badger with armor plate;20mm(0.79) .
When an RPG-7 hits u ; d second hit is going to roast you,because its an anti-tank self propelled rocket,they never said anti-infantry fighting vechicle, so bro in d realty u jump out for cover with ur rifflej bmp-2 or ur badger ratel can't withstand more than 1 hit !
But I'll rather go for a bmp-2 than a ratel !.... Its not about d size its the protection and firepower bro,even the U.S.A army now produces its own rpg(Airtronic) variant cos they understand its dangerous,effective proven,easy to maintain,cheap and light to carry for foot soldier to carry about.I rest my case !
33mm is only for the gun mantel. A very small target. For the rest it is under 20mm. Combat reports have had 12.7mm fire get through the frontal armour. Being small means you don't have space to keep extra supplies, ammo and what not. All so while you are a harder target to see you your self struggel to see if the dence vegtastion.

Of course every AFV has there draw backs and plus sides. The BMP2 does fit a lot a war fighting machenrie in to a small packeg.

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