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agaugust: yes i used the MK 2 but it is still too short range to hit any of the 30 nigerian jets flying at 13km above sea level.

sorry to disappoint you sir .

we are re-visiting the naval blockade simulation with some people close to me, and south african valour warships are sinking or close to being sunk. new facts have emerged.

agaugust: i dont need your lecture, i know much more than that already.

i am busy with air force officers who are pilots that have bombed both fixed and moving targets in real life war.

you have zero combat experience, you have never fought any war. you have never flown a jet fighter.

keep your paper knowledge to yourself. thank you sir.

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agaugust: sorry sir, you have no relevant military qualifications, technical competence and professional training to say the above comment/opinion with acceptable authority.

@andrewza you are NOT a trained air to surface attack jet fighter pilot. you work in the navy on water NOT air, nothing more.

i am getting new information from world class qualified jet fighter pilots who have current combat bombing experience and the relevant type of air force training which you do NOT have.

please sharaaap and watch out for later this month.

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agaugust: you said you work on a T-craft crew, or you lied ? you also said you are titled as a combat operator and the video your people posted about combat operators showed ordinary rifle men, or THIZA and others lied ?

agaugust: [size=16pt]a renewed nigerian air force[/size]


in the last 12 months of massive upgrades/re-activations, nigeria now has more than 30 newly upgraded/re-activated attack jets of different types that can fly and d.estroy all the four south african valour frigate warships in one day with unguided but well targeted bombs in a carpet bombing calculated attack repeated in successive waves.

fact.

i have been doing more and more research into the valour frigates, i have found many of its weaknesses.

nigeria can sink all those south african warships. if not sank, they will all run away from nigerian waters completely.

nigerian army can sink them 1km to 24km from nigerian coast.

nigerian navy can sink them 1km to 180km from nigerian coast.

nigerian air force can sink them from 1km to 370km away from nigerian coasts the whole EEZ territory.

fact of facts ! new emerging and shocking facts !

i am doing a new naval blockade simultaion of war between nigerian air force and south african navy.

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agaugust:
remember that you have zero air force combat jet training.

@andrewza is a navy rifle boy posted to operate inside a small tiny T-craft boat, not even a tactical ocean going sailor



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agaugust: none of your business what i want to hit from 13km above sea level. dont write any thing like 'these days' be specific, DENEL

agaugust: 16 Alpha jets flying at 13km above sea level to attack and not coming closer to the valour frigate, what is the range of the valour frigate anti aircraft missiles that you want to use to shoot down the alpha jets?

forget about infromation you dont have, nigerian alpha jets are upgraded 10 to 12 units and at least another 6 are flying. we have posted the upgrade source and photos amny times on this forum. dont waste out time.

answwer me...


16 Alpha jets flying at 13km above sea level to attack and not coming closer to the valour frigate, what is the range of the valour frigate anti aircraft missiles that you want to use to shoot down the alpha jets ?

i am seeing conflicting data about Umkhonto missile range from different sources.


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agaugust: before you run away....answer my question even though you have been disgraced and defeated, try be a man and summon courage...

according to your own source, valour frigate can possibly carry 32 anti-aircraft missiles, but it can only engage 8 enemy aircraft targets at one time. so how will it defend against 16 nigerian Alpha jets including the 12 newly upgraded and specially configured maritime warfare versions flying multiple mass attack ? answer me with proof

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agaugust: this forum is not about selling weapons but about fighting real war where men d.ie before their God appointed time.

igbo2011: WHite south Africans sell them not black ones.

collynzo2: How many of them are blacks?

igbo2011: America, China and Russia make their own. Which ones are made in Nigeria or Africa? Which aircrafs, ships, missiles, weapons, rocket launchers are made in Africa by Africans?

NaijaPikinGidi: How was your SANDF's strategy defined for the situation? Or you are accepting the fact that SANDF troops were not up scratch in CAR?

panafrican: Andrewa do you know the difference between patriotism and chauvinism? If no-one struggles financially in South Africa why all those deadly strikes.

Henry120: Nigeria has africa's only 20.5 billion dollar man. Employing over 50,000 people across africa.

sambos994: While Nigeria's richest man is richer than your top 2 combined.

panafrican: This is nonsense. How does this benefit the ordinary south African family that barely make it through the week?

NaijaPikinGidi: Very good try SAEngine!! Very good one ... much better than juvenile CrayFish's brain! Like I said the story is in the picture ... to the extent that whatever transpired before or after that picture has LANDED into my AV DropBox folder as of last night! "Whoever" sent it to me has had a debriefing with them!! It is not for you to understand and not for me to disclose. The summary of what you see is that we know how to get about your SA. Or you'd like me to send through the complete set of images disclosing their identities? No I won't!! Not ethical for their safety and ours.

Back to your delusions ... I wish I had the powers of a spirit to be everywhere at the very same time! Smart operatives will always wear those headgears if they ever cared for their identity in public places! "Whoever" took the shots has applied himself correctly to the basic risks of the task. All my personal images have been applied specifically to prove to SA blockheads that we are REAL in the things we do and say anywhere for the security of Nigeria. You have "seen" me here but you'll never know me. Your comment does not prove that I'm the only person in the world with a head for a specific headgear! It rather fulfils the purpose of the riddles running circles in your brain. Your brother CrayFish was the one who jumped the gun on seeing those two SANDF boys by calling them poor Nigerians using cheap public transport! On realising they were SANDF he began his predictable tantrums and insults.

Notice that I have not said or provided anything to jeopardise identities on all sides? That's how to roll: win-win, tête-à-tête and the world keeps going round.

Simple objective:
:: To have you all positively identify your SANDF men and their patterns of public movement.
:: To let you realise that you are easily more vulnerable than other forces that you are quick to insult.
:: To show you that even the least of world's forces are entrenched in your territory for the specific day ...

The nature of interractions between all parties at your Parktown Station will remain unknown to you. To SAEngine, CrayFish and everyone who cares to see me ... you have a chance sometime this month!! Come get a free beer! Cheers!!

I'm off to Trafalgar Square!

Never underestimate the power of Nigeria.

NaijaPikinGidi: Keep your CAR/Seleka/SANDF emotions out of this! I see your Seleka bashing is beclouding your judgement!

NaijaPikinGidi: And AndrewZA made it here! I mentioned South Sudan with reasons ... and all you come here to ask is if they have an Army? What do you mean by they are still a rebel force with a country? When did it reside in your power to tell that South Sudanese Freedom Fighters -- the Sudan People Liberation Army (SPLA ) have not yet become the standing army of South Sudan? The link below is for your education:

http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article43907
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article47534

Basically, you agree with my point by saying they have not had time to transform in terms of tactical training and qualitative/quantitative availability of personnel and hardware! That Malian and CAR armies fell partially to rebel armies does not mean that that they are the weakest. These armies you mentioned had clear lines of Command and organization. I am not sure what oreign training you are talking about with regard to CAR? The foreign trainers of CAR must have done a bad job! A very bad training job that could speaks poorly about the military competence of that foreign country!

I maintain it is ... South Sudan!

NaijaPikinGidi: A difficult one! But South Africa Sudan comes to mind! Reason being that although they've been involved in prolonged secessionist fight with Sudan, they are a new nationstate with a weak military apparatus in terms of training, quantity and quality of personnel and hardware. Their weak economy is also a factor.

agaugust: 95% of ECOMOG army was nigerian, 100% of ECOMOG air force was nigerian, 100% of ECOMOG navy was nigerian. 99% of ECOMOG battlefield and HQ command and control was nigerian. 1,000 nigerian soldiers dies in ECOMOG as 90% of all total casualties.

who was fighting then ? Togo republic ?

no nation fights war alone most of the time. check war history.

world war II germany/italy/austria/japan joined their military together. america/britain/russia/canada/australia joined their military together.

Arab war Egypt/Algeria/Iran/Jordan/Kuwait/Arab league joined their military together against Israel/plus USA/European covert support.

Falklands war Argentina/USSR covert support vs Britain/USA/NATO covert support

Gulf war Iran/American support vs Iraq/Russian support

Gulf war america/NATO/rest of the world joined their military against iraq/mujahedeen

Afghanistan war america/NATO joined their military together against Taliban/Osama Bin Laden/mujahedeen

Bush war Angola/Cuba/USSR cover support vs South Africa/Israeli, French, American, British and NATO cover support

Badme war Ethiopia/Russian support vs Eritrea/Ukranian support

who fight war alone ? a foolish nation that has zero diplomatic connections and international recognition.

you drank your beer directly from brewery factory production tank today

show us any war south africa fought and won clearly in victory

http://beegeagle./2013/01/23/the-real-impact-of-nigerian-ecomog-soldiers-what-you-do-not-get-told/
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NaijaPikinGidi: Like in your DRC stealing and molesting from ...

2smooth2shout: dude you were supported by Botswana. i already gave proof and i know you SAns to always argue with truth cos you are liars.
SANDF would have lost if not for support from SADC troops. and your troops alone would never be able to handle the conflict. i gave proof of that already. you read it right?

2smooth2shout: actually you failed cos Africa signed a defence co-operation memorandum of understanding with the CAR in 2007. “This followed decisions of the AU Peace and Stability council for its member states ‘in the name of African solidarity’ to assist with post conflict recovery of that country”. Bozize was over thrown, your troops were killed in high numbers and your equipments taken from you, you fled and chickened out from retaliating.

that's failure, not success.



you mean this base. they secured the base, ransacked it and drove your equipments around... they defeated you big time

CraigB: As it turns out, this is one of the most respected strategies in "ancient" Africa.

The Zulu handed the British one of their heaviest defeats in those years.

Naai-geria wouldn't know anything about that, surely.

2smooth2shout: no. it went terribly wrong when SANDF went in alone and normalized after Zimbabwe and Botswana came to your rescue. i know the history very well

2smooth2shout: so your definition of a victory is inflicting only casualties without successfully subduing your enemy? you broke your enemy's arm but he went home with the trophy and you call yourself victorious?

you should perhaps just say Japan won the battle against America cos they inflicted a lot of casualties on US but still surrendered.

so this is the strategy they teach in your military institutions? you are daft.

your zulu ancestors just ran around with spears without strategies on how to make the enemy retreat or surrender and that's the same tactics being used by your military from the bush war, lesotho to CAR.

SANDF have never won any battle against any opponent. be it rebel, poachers or country

2smooth2shout: am waiting for south africans to dispute the facts about your military failures you've been bragging about. SA didn't fight the bush war alone. they had all the external supports and lost. then mike..za wants to tell me about "war" that he doesn't know the meaning.

2smooth2shout: dude, you failed woefully in Lesotho. only a novice will think SANDF failures started from CAR

South Africans botch military intervention in Lesotho

At 6h30 South African Time on Tuesday, 22 September 1998, 600 troops backed by AFV's and APC's crossed the border into Lesotho in an armed intervention designed to quell the unrest in Maseru and the purported mutiny of junior officers in the Lesotho army.

They achieved the exact opposite. Moving in against fierce resistance, with poor information from their intelligence apparatus, they failed to secure their objectives timeously, and stood by while the Basotho basically looted and burnt down their own capital. The major causes of this failure were due to a lack of intelligence as to the situation on the ground, and the fact that they were understrength militarily for an operation of this nature.

I suspect that most of the South African casualties occurred in the first few hours as the South Africans waltzed in like some sort of colonial expedition, expecting the natives to see our "maxim guns" and run away. Wars don't happen like that. Something the South African general staff only realised to its dismay when it was too late. Not only was order not restored, but the South African army and the Botswana army stood by and watched Maseru go up in flames. I think it would be accurate to say that they failed to achieve all their objectives in this "splendid little war".

The intervention was authorised by the SADC apparently in line with some agreement with Lesotho in 1994, that the SADC could intervene to preserve the ruling regime, should it come under threat. Elections had been held in May 1998 and the ruling party had scored 79 out of the 80 seats. This caused an uproar with accusations from the opposition supported by the junior officers of the army, that the election had been rigged. A commission of enquiry was held with Judge Pius Langa as its head into these allegations. Langa is a South African judge. The report was ambiguous. On one hand it stated that there had been fraud. On the other hand it did not find that the election had been rigged.

After the report appeared, the opposition engaged in steady "unrest" against the government. Junior officers forced 15 of their seniors to resign. These senior officers fled to South Africa. Mandela and Mbeki were overseas, when Buthelezi, the Minister for Home Affairs, and head of the Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP), who was the acting President of South Africa, consulted them about an SADC intervention in Lesotho. They agreed to this, and on Tuesday morning the troop carriers rolled.

As things stand now, it appears that sporadic fighting continues between SADC and members of the Lesotho army. The South African intervention is enormously unpopular with the Basotho who regard it as an invasion by their big brother next door. South African journalists have been shot at and harassed, and if you are a South African, Lesotho is not the safest place to be at the moment.

The central business district (CBD) of Maseru has basically been cleaned out by looters and burnt to the ground. The equivalent of half of Lesotho's economy has been wiped out in one week, while the SADC troops stood by and watched. A considerable portion of those businesses destroyed were South African. Reuters reports that: "Lesotho does not have its own major retailers. South African companies are responsible for virtually all fresh food and produce, furniture and clothing sold in the country."

It is extremely doubtful whether the insurance companies will pay out for the damage. They will use the "war, riot, and insurrection" exclusion clause to escape liability. All of this means that South Africans will not be returning to Lesotho anytime soon. With half their economy gone, the Basotho will cross the border looking for work. Unemployed South Africans will not be too happy with this.

Joel's interpretation: The South African government has created an unbelievable mess. Not only have they failed to achieve their stated objectives to restore law and order, but they have failed to preserve South African interests by standing by while Maseru went up in flames, after a steady round of pillaging by its inhabitants. The inhabitants of Maseru have displayed a capacity for self-destructive behaviour which seems to be found throughout most of Africa rendering it the most wartorn and undeveloped continent in the world.

The naievity of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) and the Defence Ministry is truly astounding. They went in there assuming that they would be considered "peace-keepers" or that there would be very little resistance. In other words they planned this *military* operation as though the best outcome was a foregone conclusion. They did not realise that when one engages in military operations you hit the objectives with maximum force immediately to gain military dominance as quickly as possible. You assume the worst and hope for the best.

Therefore you do not attempt to effectively take over a country (which is what an armed intervention is) with a force of anything less than divisional strength. In addition you make sure that you gather the intelligence you need and plan the operation properly. You do not haphazardly gallop across the countryside, asking the locals for directions or how many entrances there are to the royal palace that you are about to assault !

The sheer stupidity and incompetence leaves me breatheless ! What also astounds me is that Mandela and Mbeki, and the foreign minister Nzo are overseas when South Africa engages in the first military operation of the ANC's tenure as government. This is a dereliction of duty and betrays an almost colonial attitude towards Lesotho. As though the Basotho are mere natives with spears, and bones through their noses who will cave into our little act of gunboat diplomacy !

If they had executed a proper military operation, the SANDF could have secured Maseru and the "strategic" hamlets within hours and prevented the destruction of Maseru. This would have enabled the SADC to gain space to sort Lesotho out. It would have been unpopular in Lesotho, but South African credibility would have remained intact, at least as a hegemonic power in the region. Instead we have a debacle
http://www.ecn.org/communitas/en/en121.html