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CraigB: India's blue cap strategises with an intervention brigade member. Do you even know what the difference is between peacekeepers and the intervention brigade in the DRC?

Fake researcher.

Yes brave india.

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/India-warns-peacekeeping-troops-in-DR-Congo-of-M23-retaliatory-strikes/articleshow/22122433.cms

chris365: with 95% troops contribution and Led by Nigeria. am sure you know what that means being a chef in the navy

Flown in by NATO transports, driving in MTLBs bought for you by america, firing ammunstion and eating food flown in by NATO transports and all this along side outher countries. There were all so english forces.


Nigerians should stop acting like liberia and serrie leon were all there work. Any case I would not brag about murdiring unarmend children.

agaugust:
Why DID Nigeria fight the battle alone in Liberia and Sierra Leone ? I am just asking, I mean no harm bro


10,000 nigerian soldiers against over 70,000 rebels heavily armed by libya's Ghaddafi

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You did not fight it alone though. So moot point.

agaugust: The South African Special Forces Brigade fake 'longest range sniper kill' was successfully erroneously captured by wikipedia as seen above, due to misinformation from one south african military union staff seeking fake glory. correction of this fraud has been made by south african government's official military commanders below :


Lieutenant General Derrick Mgwebi of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) said at a media briefing in Pretoria on Friday denied allegations that South African snipers killed six senior rebel officers. "If there are snipers on the ground, they are not ours, only the UN can confirm who they are," said Mgwebi.

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-08-30-sandf-on-drc-deployment-no-repeat-of-car-massacre


CASE CLOSED


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I like how you guys don't adress the other part of the quote I left. SA speciol forces are in DRC and they are snipers. But they under UN comand not SA comand hence them saying they un solders.

NaijaPikinGidi: The Wiki grab has names of hotshots posted with distance shot and location. What is so special about this SANDF phantom? Don't waste your time justifying that fable! It's clearly a baseless gimmick. It must be the greatest achievement yet for your SANDF. No so fast! Obey your Tanzanian Commanders ... as they lead you to the battle frontlines like the silent warriors they are!

There names were all so not hust released. The shooter who killed ossam was not knowen for some time.

The info is coming from the UN. The SANDF has not menstioned any thing. Only that the battlion has certain skills.


A south african solder was shot. That means front line. I find it strange you fools are so focused on tanziana both of us are on the front lines.

The sniper is a member of recces his name will not just be disclosed.

Nigerians seem to think that just because tanzian provided the brigade commander they now fighting any harder than south africa. That is short sightedness. Are you saying the amercan solders in market garden did not fight has hard because it was a britsh plan? How about australians in the pacfic. Or nigerians grunts in south east asia I mean they where led by the britsh.


You guys like to twist and bend facts to your plessure. It sad and makes me wonder about your level of marturtie.

chris365: slam dunk

see how i finally made you confess that Nigeria was in command of it's troops and african forces. a claim you rejected. and you want to claim you are smarter. you just proved your ignorance and slow thinking tendencies boy.

see why i said you should spend less time insulting people?

like i said earlier. i will never exclude French role just to convince en empty head. you just confirmed Nigeria was in command.. in my profession we call it a "slam dunk"

thank you. now who commands SANDF in DRC?

where's that my foot in your mouth again? i love that picture

A brazlian is over all in command of the UN mission with tanzian brigade comander and a south african collnial.

souldust: when a SAM is fired at a jet fighter within range, is there anything the pilots can do to save themselves?

Dont know if any of you have watched "behind enemy lines", i mean the movie on the Bosnia war? Do you think what the pilots did to save themselves from the SAMs was realistic?

pop flares or chafe and try and out manvour it, you could all so try and out run it not speed wise but fuel wise. if you flying low you could use terrian.

Henry120: You do know the tanzanians and not the south african are leading the assault effort? South africa should ordinarily not be in congo as the tanzanians are doing all the work with the congolese.

Actually FARDC is leading the effort. Both South Africa tanziana along with ukrian are providing support. And tanzian is leading the brigade that does not mean there solders will be on the front any more than south africa.

souldust: but why should a maritime patrol plane look like a passanger or military transport plane? Shouldnt it be smarter and armed like a fighter? What if it gets engaged at sea? How can it defend itself in such situations?

alot of martime patrol planes have duel roles has transport aircraft, only a few are armened. the usa have a martime version of the C130. What you need for a martime patrol aircraft is endurance and a good payload to carry all the sytems, this makes transport aircraft a good bases on witch to start along with bombers.

agaugust: [size=16pt]south african military received 5 units of year 1950 american second hand maritme patrol aircraft in 1966....still flying them today...crashes and kills 11 people last december...due to rusted metal parts [/size]

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28763&Itemid=107

anyone that has photos of NNS Thunder with the so called 'rusted metal' can post the rust for us to see.....fools NNS Thunder is a 1968 ship, SAS Protea survey ship of south african navy is a 1972 ship only 4 years difference, and one of south african navy tug boats is a 1969 vessel.

south african military maritime patrol Dakota aircraft is are second hand american donation aircraft built in the 1950's used by america tired and dry, then handed down second hand to south africa in 1966 when my father has not even see who my mother will be ! foolish south africans military still patrolling their own oceans with 1950 Dakota second hand rusted hand me down american gift aircraft...fools of soweto.


Dakota maritime patrol aircraft....south african airforce second hand flying and crashing rusty tin of sardine

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/AIR/Air_new/c47-useme.jpg

5? Your numbers are off. At one time we had 40. And we had them since ww2. So since you got that wrong how can we trust you.

agaugust: dont use your head to think, keep waiting until america sends you a personal letter to say the words 'navy and coast guard helicopters' means every navy and coast guard helicopter.

in american engineering standards, law and technical government regulations, everything that carries weight, bridge, ship, haulage truck, is built to carry 2 to 4 times its normal recommended payload in case of any abnormal situation that may arise.

ships flight decks they did not teach you in south african navy, are built strong enough to carry 2 to 3 times the weight of its helicopter because of emergency landing force impact....only a foolish south african will build a ship's flight deck to withstand only a force of 10,000 kg/f because its helicopter weight is 10,000 kg. a normal engineer will build that flight deck to withstand a load of force of 20,000 kg/f or much more in case of emergency hard landing due to engine stall, damage to helicopter in flight, etc.

toyota corrola is built for 4 passengers, if 8 passengers seat inside it crammed together, the vehicle will still move, and that is a mere passenger car, not a haulage or lift platform that can get emergency force and hard/shock landing.

try get a bottle of common sense syrup, but i dont know which pharmacy sells it, so sorry i cannot help you.

stop misinforming people on this thread, Eritrean navy has no anti-ship missile. fact !

as i said, apart from nigeria, only 6 or 7 african navies have missiles, and i said egypt, algeria, libya, morocco, south africa and maybe 2 others...equitorial guinean navy missiles is still a rumour. angolan navy, yes P-15 termit missiles.

apart from those 6 to 7 countries, no other navy in africa can threaten nigerian navy NNS Thunder in battle. fact !

anyone that has photos of NNS Thunder with the so called 'rusted metal' can post the rust for us to see...fools.

NNS Thunder is a 1968 ship, SAS Protea survey ship of south african navy is a 1972 ship only 4 years difference, and one of south african navy tug boats is a 1969 vessel, worst still, all the south african military maritime patrol Dakota aircraft are second hand american donation aircraft built in the 1950's used by america tired and dry, then handed down second hand to south africa in 1966 when my father has not even seen who my mother will be !

foolish south african military still patrolling their own oceans with 1950 Dakota second hand rusted hand me down american gift aircraft...fools of soweto.

no where in the world is a 76 mm gun of a warship relied upon as anti-aircraft defence today, and not all such guns have rate of fire like otobreda, most are far worse and weaker in capability and will never save a warship from aircraft attacks.

an average helicopter pilot will make swirl and loop maneuvers and escape the shells of a slow firing slow turning 76mm gun of a slow sailing slow turning warship. fact !

Swordfish naval aircraft with their slow speed of 224km/h slower than Hind helicopters, have been using air torpedoes and ordinary rockets to sink warships that have very heavy and multiple anti-aircraft defensive guns since 1940 second world war....fool

"In May 1941, a Swordfish strike from HMS Ark Royal was vital in damaging the German battleship Bismarck, preventing it from escaping to France. The low speed of the attacking aircraft may have acted in their favour, as the planes were too slow for the fire-control predictors of the German gunners, whose shells exploded so far in front of the aircraft that the threat of shrapnel damage was greatly diminished. At least some of the Swordfish flew so low that most of the Bismarck's flak weapons were unable to depress enough to hit them.[6] The Swordfish aircraft scored two hits; one did little damage, but the other jammed Bismarck's rudders with 15° port helm on,[7] making the warship unmanueverable; it sank after intense Royal Navy attack within 13 hours."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Swordfish

worldwide military standard modern day anti-aircraft guns are usually from 12.7mm to 35mm firing rapid 1,100 rounds per minute, not a slow 76mm gun firing only 85 rounds per minute, only a foolish south african navy chef/cook thinks differently....upside down

now show me any war history where a ships main gun 76mm was used to shoot down any aircraft, i dont know of one in all the war history books i read....now show me one to prove your claim...show me

Mi-35 Hind helicopter has very many types of ordinary explosive rockets not anti-tank....google is free for all, one of them is S-8 rocket....

The S-8 is generally carried in the B series of rocket pods, carrying either seven or 20 rockets.
Rocket specifications

Designation Type Length overall Launch weight Warhead weight Range Notes
S-8KO HEAT 1.57 m 11.3 kg 3.6 kg
(0.9 kg of explosive) 1.3 to 4 km 400 mm versus RHA
S-8KOM HEAT 1.57 m 11.3 kg 3.6 kg
(0.9 kg of explosive) 1.3 to 4 km 400 mm versus RHA. Velocity 610 m/s
S-8B Penetrating 1.5 m 15.2 kg 7.41 kg (0.6 kg of explosive) 1.2 to 2.2 km 800 mm versus reinforced concrete.
S-8BM Penetrating 1.54 m 15.2 kg 7.41 kg (0.6 kg of explosive) 1.2 to 2.2 km 800 mm versus reinforced concrete. Velocity 450 m/s.
S-8D FAE 1.66 m 11.6 kg 3.8 kg (2.15 kg of explosive) 1.3 to 3 km
S-8DM FAE 1.7 m 11.6 kg 3.8 kg (2.15 kg of explosive) 1.3 to 3 km 5.5–6 kg TNT equivalent. Velocity 590 m/s
S-8DF FAE 1.68 m 13.4 kg 5.5 kg (3.3 kg of explosive) 1.3 to 4.5 km 6 kg TNT equivalent. Velocity 500 m/s
S-8 O Illuminating 1.63 m 12.1 kg 4.3 kg 4 to 4.5 km 2 megacandela flare warhead
S-8 OM Illuminating 1.63 m 12.1 kg 4.3 kg 4 to 4.5 km 2 megacandela flare warhead burns for 30 seconds. Velocity 545 m/s.
S-8T Tandem-HEAT 1.7 m 13 kg 6.6 kg (1.6 kg of explosive) 1.3 to 4 km Tandem HEAT 400 mm versus RHA. Velocity 470 m/s
S-8P Chaff 1.63 m 12.3 kg 4.5 kg of chaff 2 to 3 km
S-8PM Chaff 1.63 m 12.3 kg 4.5 kg of chaff 2 to 3 km 545 m/s velocity.
S-8S Flechette 1.612 m 13 kg 4.3 kg 1.2 to 3.5 km 2,000 flechettes in 5 bundles
S-8TsM Target marking 1.605 m 11.1 kg 3.6 kg 1.3 to 2 km (heli)
1.3 to 3 km (plane) target/route marking smoke visible 6 km away


i am done with this your foolish combat drama....case closed. next topic please

photo of a naval helicopter launching rocket attack on a sea target.

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It does not mean every helcopter. You telling me a seaking can land on NNS thunder?

That not american but standard pratice in the civlized world.but NNS thunder is what 50 years old, the fail point is far sooner. And you want proof that it was not built to handel any thing in the size of a hind. The telscoping hanger is to small.

This means there is zero lee way on thunder. One misstake and you loose the chopper and the ship. Great move.

Yes but safty is now a issue, the breaks will stope it far latter, it will accerate at a slower speed extra. This may lead to a crash.

What about ghana,
You don't need missiels to sink thunder. It is a USCG boat thuse civliam merchant standard. It can survive far less battel damge than even a smaller warship.


Protea is not a combat ship. It does not even sail with it's wepaons mounted. And it flight deck is how big. Yes a tugboat we all so have a mooringlighter over 100 years old in the navy. Niether are navy ships since non are commionsoned. And the dakota were not donastion they were purchesed and when we got them they were still very modern.


The turbodaks will be replaced. Even so they have been heavly modfied over the years.

The 76 has a anti air role. Debia it all you want. Is it the preverd wepaon of choice? no. Can it do the job? Yes.

And what if it is a fast turining fast firing 76mm. And with the helcopter partacking in this arobatics display(in it's self a danger has any mistake means a crash) it will not be able to guide any wepaons.

Relvance please? Are you now increasing the number of hinds, and a modern warship would have slauterd those biplanes.

The 76mm needs far lees rounds to get the job done and out ranges those other lighterguns. And a helcopter is a far easyer target than a fast jet of SSM.

WW2 rater offen in fact. The slower 88s did the job to. Will the 76 be effective vs a fast jet or SSM probaly not. A helcopter will be a easyer target.


Only one of those has a 4km range and has a 0.9kg heat warhead. A umkhonto has a 23kg warhead. According to you it will sink NNS thunder. The rest are all under 4km. Thuse I am right.


Yes. It was a target. And they not ment to attack warships. It is aimed at lighter boats. Like you nigerian gun boats.

chris365: this is another part that amused me in the movie. well, no one likes to argue with American propaganda

And it had ammo on board. SA has a musem submarine and it has no wepaons or explosives and zero fuel. And I would not want to fire those guns with such old ammo. They do have a best before date.

And the aliens were morons. They got faster than light space travel and can put up a giant force field but don't have guided rounds. The US is tring to created a laser guided snipper builet and those aliens have to aim like we did in the 1940s

souldust: @all who comands an aircraft carrier? I mean what rank should the person have? I watched the movie 'Battleship' very early this morning and it was beautiful!

The navy was very foolish in the first place They should have used the fighters to fight their enemies becos of the fighter's mobility, dont you think @andrewza?

Admrail. And I doubt any body in the navy liked it. There is no way in hell they could have gotten a musseum ship ready for war so fast

The barrir stoped them getting in to help. A airstrike did occure right at the end.

agaugust: do i have to feed you with a spoon like a 3 day old baby ?

"Design :

Chase is designed as a high endurance cutter. Her crossing range of 9,600 nautical miles (17,800 km) at 20 knots (40 km/h), and 80-foot (24 m) flight deck, capable of handling both Coast Guard and Navy helicopters, make the Chase an ideal platform for extended patrol missions.

The primary mission of these vessels is enforcement of laws and treaties and search and rescue (SAR) on the high seas"

learn how to use google like an adult .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Chase_(WHEC-718)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton-class_cutter

Hamilton class/NNS Thunder are super strong long range ships built to carry any american navy or coast guard navy helicopter types. how does it do long range high seas far away from base SAR duties if the Jayhawk helicopter cannpot land on it ? fool ! you need baby food again

fool, go google Mi-35 Hind helicopter list of weapons i posted yesterday....it carries about 6 different types of rockets including ordinary high explosive NOT ONLY anti-tank rockets. some of Hinds rockets are listed down its webpage, click on them and see a long list of their types and ranges, i wont do that for you, dont waste my time. your 6 year old son can click on my weblink source and read its details out to you. dummy !

about 6 or 7 countries only have anti-ship missiles in africa. thats what i said. they are very few in africa.

76mm gun is not a standard anti-aircraft weapon in military tactics all over the world, it is designed basically as an anti-ship surface to surface ship to ship gun, it turns so slow because it is too heavy, its rate of fire is too low, before it turns in a new direction, a 330km/h high speed helicopter has changed direction totally, simple evasive maneuver from the air due to far greater helicopter speed advantage.

reason why some navy helicopters have anti-ship capability since the 1970's to year 2013 today.

the 12 rockets fired from Hind helicopter will travel at speed about 1,300 km/h so how does a 50km/h warship out-maneuver those multiple rockets ? sure they dont teach you basic primary school arithmetic in south africa....33% brain

a flying air borne helicopter is 20 times more agile than a stone-heavy warship struggling with water surface resistance on the sea. same way an eagle bird flying in the air is 20 times more agile than a stone-heavy elephant walking on land. fool

for failing basic arithmetics of 50km/h is less than 330km/h, i hereby collect and hang your boxer shorts on my mango tree beside your navy uniform...go find tree leaves to wrap around your bum.bum like Adam and Eve


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It does not say any coast gaurd or navy helcopter. It says navy and coast gaurd helcopters. The desghine is from early cold war, it is all so coast boat so build to merchant navy standards. So strong it is not.


I looked at them. Now show me witch of those wepaons has a 4km range and is not a ATGM.


The 76mm slew is far faster than you can imagine so is it rate of fire. The 76mm is classed has a genral purpos wepaon. Naval combat, shore bombartment and anti air.

Yes and when has a naval attack helopter ever pulled of a attack on a warship? They all so carry purpos built anti ship missiels.

If you firing from 4km away they will be guided meaning only one missiel at a time. The hind will be unable to carry out highy speeds manvours or it will miss. And who said we turing at only 4 km away. A 76mm can hit it way beyond that. And that the speed of only a few of the rockets and missiels. I want you to select what specfic wepaon it will use.

Not while the hind is guiding the wepaon in. All so it not has fast has the 76mm. And the 76mm does not need to hit the hind. It is called AHEAD and airburst rounds.

Now for have zeroing under standing of what you speak ask your mommy to change your diaper.

chris365: are you serious at all. I can agree to malawi not there yet but tanzania?

Of course Tanzania will have heavy casualties cos they are leading the offensive while SANDF will continue to do what it does best.. Fight from a distance cos they're scared to die.

Tanzian brought in artlriey. That about has far back a combat solder can go. Even supply personal get closer.

Tanzian is providing the brigade commander. Durring WW2 the south african armourd divasion fell under amercan comand and control. SA led the attack and sufferd heavy losses. Brazil is over all in comand of the operastion by the way.

NaijaPikinGidi: You are a wimp ... just like your SANDF. The Tanzanians are the ones leading the Reconnaisance operations and not the SANDF as you are claiming without evidence or proof! The loss of a Tanzanian soldier is evidence of Tanzania's obvious frontline role!! It is a testament to their being the real/braver force on the frontline! Brave men are the ones that die leading the war ... not the ones that hide in the backrows of the frontline ... afraid of battle, yet get wounded by stray bullets!

Fight the battle and stop celebrating your injuries! Our are you celebrating that you escaped death by whiskers? Is that how they trained your coward soldiers?

Again SANDF is exhibiting zero war logistics planning capacity! Didn't it occur to your war planners that helicopter gunships will be required? This rubbishes yours recce claims that you credit to SANDF! How did you transport or insert troops into the thick/bushy DRC battle landscape to disrupt so-called M23 supply lines? More excuses to come?

Small brained fool.

Tanzian is the brigade leader. That does not mean they leading the recon effort. Just requesting it.

Both SA and Tanzian are presnt only maliw is absent. Both SA and tanzia have sufferd injuries. Only tanzian have sufferd death.

Helcopters are requird and both ukrain and fardc have Hinds. The UN just requsted rooivalk from SAAF.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt]Tanzania leads South Africa into battle in Congo DRC...helping the weaker brother[/size]

following the defeat of south african army in the hands of illiterate Seleka rebel fighters, Tanzanian army, a more capable and brave fighting force, is now leading, helping and protecting the more modern South African army in the Congo DRC fighting.

this will ensure that the south africans do not suffer another military defeat from rebels, and also the courage of the Tanzanian soldiers will cover up the fear of battle and death which prevented the south african army from returning to CAR and engage Seleka rebels in any further combat.

" It's the Tanzanian and South African (United Nations) troops that are on the frontline. It's them that we see first," he said."

http://www.wral.com/un-helicopters-fire-on-m23-rebels-in-east-congo/12825320/


after training for combat with China's army, Tanzanian army promises to save their weaker South African army brothers in Congo war

https://english.gov.cn/images/images/782bcb888d660efd0e9d08.jpg
https://edge.passblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tanzanian-troops-in-DRC1.jpg

What drugs are you on. We both fighting M23 where does it show we cowadly or incopted. Your are ignorant fool who knows nothing. You are a useless turd.

agaugust: when you have been proved wrong, its better you keep quiet or wisely change topic.

the more you try to justify your foolishness, the more you sink deep into it.

NNS Thunder is built to carry any american coast guard or navy helicopter. go to hamilton class cutter web page and read that , i wont waste time to post it. these include heavy recovery Sikorsky HH-60 Jayhawk helicopter. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg7/cg711/h60s.asp


only few navies in africa have missiles, not a lot as you claim. the only navies that can threaten NNS Thunder are those of, Egypt, Libya, Morroco, South Africa, and maybe 2 others including Equitorial Guinea.

show me a small anti-aircraft gun on an african warship that has more than 5km range to beat the Hind Helicopters rockets.

even your noise making Valour frigate anti-aircraft new gun from DENEL has range of only 4km, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denel_35mm_Dual_Purpose_Gun

maximum speed of the best african warships including valour frigate is about 52km/h
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valour-class_frigate

maximum speed of Hind helicopter is about 335km/h. only a foolish south african military academy teaches you to tell us here that a so called 'agile' stone-heavy ship will be turning at 50km and out-maneuver a Hind helicopter flying 6 times faster at 300km/h on the tail/behind of the ship to rocket attack the warship.

you see i said your fine south african military photos and shiny DENEL weapons will not improve your country's military rankings....your military academy does not know how to fight real life combat and win.

i have told you that no navy 76mm gun will ever fire backwards at a Hind helicopter, the gun will sink the ship itself. dont be more foolish than i think you are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otobreda_76_mm

lastly, stop adding to my words. i never said Hind helicopter will use ATGM rockets on a ship. Hind carries many types of ordinary high exposive or incendiary/fire ball rockets with range up to 5km. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-24

now can you please shut up and stop mis-informing people here ?

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The jayhawls are oparted from land stastions. Not the cutters. You own link provided that info.

Eritian, angola, algeria, extra extra all have boats with SSMs.

Why do I need to out range the hind. The ATGM it fires are not fire and forget. If I kill it or even force it to take evasev manvoers it will cause it to miss.

The hind needs to stay just be hind the the ship to remain out of the 76mm firing arc. And speed is not aglity they 2 diffrent things

Show me what none AT 4km wepaon you talking about.


You see how much a fool you are. You don't even read your own sources.

agaugust: .

courtesy of @Chris365

[size=16pt]Nigerian special forces 'un-reported' combat on Mali battlefields[/size]


http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130111/DEFREG04/301110014/Officer-Troops-from-Nigeria-Senegal-France-Back-Malian-Army


"BAMAKO — Troops from Nigeria, Senegal and France were deployed in Mali on Jan. 11 supporting government forces in their offensive against Islamists in the country’s center, a Malian army officer said.

“As we speak to you, troops from Nigeria, Senegal and France are in support of the Malian army in Sevare” in central Mali, Col. Oumar Dao told a news conference in the capital, Bamako. “These troops arrived with the materiel needed to counter the situation,” said Dao, the head of military operations for the army’s chief of staff.

The move occurred as the Malian army on Jan. 11 launched a counter-offensive to recover the central town of Konna, which was captured Jan. 10 by the Islamists. He gave no details on the number of troops, or the quantity and type of materiel deployed."

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130111/DEFREG04/301110014/Officer-Troops-from-Nigeria-Senegal-France-Back-Malian-Army

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Where does it say nigeria conducted a combat mission. And if you know about it how can it be unreported

agaugust: only in south african military academies do they fail to teach you toy soldiers how to use weapons in a flexible manner and think outside a limited box, anything that cannot be copied and pasted from internet is a problem for all south africans since you guys dont have any scientific reasoning ability.

Mi-35 hind helicopter gunship on nigerian NNS Thunder, show me how the 18m helicopter will not land on a 24m flight deck of NNS Thunder.

also show me from mathematical calculations using Archimedes law of physics how the fully loaded/fully armed 12 ton helicopter will be too heavy for a 3,250 ton NNS Thunder to carry.

i didnt say NNS Thunder will attack a ship that has anti-ship missiles, i said all the warships of 30 out of the 36 african nations' Navies will be sunk by NNS Thunder because they have no missiles and have inferior guns with lower calibre and shorter range. dont add to my words.

out of the 36 african countries that have a navy, NNS Thunder of nigeria is deadly to 30 countries' navy . FACT !

i mentioned NNS Thunder sailing from north pole arctic ice Alaska region down to near south pole Australia as a proof that Nigerian navy is a blue water force that sails around the whole world from end to end. FACT !

Mi-35 hind against a warships is NOT a dead hind if the warship does not have anti-aircraft missiles that can range beyond 4km. Hind helicopter has many air to ground rockets with range of up to 5km.

since your south african military academy is poor in combat/battlefield tactics, let me help you here : that 76mm warship gun you want to use to shoot down a flying Hind helicopter, is a naval main gun only able to fire forward and sideways, if it fires backward using its 360 degrees traverse, the ships will actually shoot itself and sink itself to sea bottom....a good Hind helicopter pilot will attack a gun only armed warship from behind using 5km range multiple rockets to sink the warship.

ask your south african military to please come and learn how to fight wars in nigerian military academies so that common civilians will not kick your bum.bum around like a football.

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It has nothing to do with diminsions but with weight

You do know there is somthing under the flight deck.

A lot of navies in africa have missiel armed ships.

Were those done by nigerians? And has I said sailing from on point to another is not what makes a blue water navy

A 76mm gun out ranges any thing on a hind. Even smaller AA guns out range it.


A 76mm has a 14km range and a ship can you know turn. War ships are rather agile.

A ATGM is unlikly to sink a warship. Make a hole yes but not sink.

agaugust:
ancient old fashioned AK-47 rifles and rusted RPG/Bazookas of Seleka rebels did this to DENEL armed south african army....see their widows

https://binaryapi.ap.org/87b6047cf32441c9b5c2ebbe7aeb35f1/460x.jpg

[img]http://www.citypress.co.za/wp-content/themes/canvas/functions/thumb.php?src=wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sandf1.jpg&w=630&h=0&zc=1&q=90[/img]

Yes and many solders where hit repetadly whith AK fire and the body armour stoped every round and around 800 of those seleka rebels are dead. Not to menstion you now inssulting the standard rifel of the nigerian army.

agaugust:


a 'useless' warship sailed from nigeria to australia on a 20,000km voyage across 3 global continents ?

a 'useless' warship operated in arctic ice cold ocean regions of Alaska very successfully and won an american national honours award ?

if nigerian Mi-35 helicopter gunship is carried by NNS Thunder instead of nigerian Augusta search/utility Helicopter, the ship has air to sea attack capacity plus its sea to sea 76mm gun with high explosive shelling range of 16km.

that nigerian navy ship called NNS Thunder is a silent k.iller that has firepower to sink 30 out of the 37 countries' navy warships in the whole of africa.

foolish boy



https://i42.tinypic.com/8vz29d.jpg

I doubt a hind could land on the heli pad. It was built for light utlty helcopters not heavy attack or assult choppers.


Our littel strike craft carrys a 76mm. It carried 2 76mm and skepeon ASMs. So in your words it is now just has deadly.


Ships have been sailing around alask and to astriala for years. It a accomplishment for nigeria but not for a ship. And it did not sail from nigeria to astrialia it sailed from SA and it still going to make another stop.

A hind vs a warship is a dead hind. I would not even bother with SAMs just down it with the 76mm.

NaijaPikinGidi: Obviously! The trip is serving dual purposes of touching base with our Defence partners and being at the Australian fleet review ... where we'll be representing Africa being the only African Naval force at the show. So, do you mind sharing the lovely talks you had with the Nigerian naval men you talked with?

It is a requird stop.

NaijaPikinGidi: No! AndrewZA ... your comment appeared to suggest that NNS Thunder was obsolete and couldn't get to Australia on its initial full tank capacity. And that was exactly what Agaugust rightly pointed out in his response to you! Topping-up fuel was not necessary at that point of the journey ... but the Ship's Captain made the operational decision and rightly so ... as a precautionary measure. But how come you failed to correct the misleading comments from SAEngine and his co-idi.ots ... regarding the Ship's arrival, berthing and refueling procedures? It surely took our informed comments to make you clarify yours! Way to go!

It is actually going to make another stope before arriving in austriala.


And it has nothing to do with it being obsoliet. Ships from the early 1990s could make the trip.

What did they say. First post I saw about thunder in this thread was from agusta. I genraly don't read my fellow south africans posts there is littel need.

NaijaPikinGidi: So do you expect such a ship to power itself on seawater? We topped-up on petrol and we paid your government via your Naval fuel depot for the top-up. Was the truck you saw as big as the ship? Do you know the size of the ship's tank? Shore/harbour supply and berthing like you have confessed were also not for free! So stop making noise over Naval procedures and visit that are simply ROUTINE! You have confirmed there was nothing special about our Navy's berthing at your Naval base!

i think you confused, your fake anaylist was making a big deal about it, i just pointed out that it need fuel when it got to sa.

NaijaPikinGidi: I am happy you are revealing yourself and your intentions!

So if you were there and rushed to go welcome your visiting Nigerian seamen ... as well as have some LOVELY TALKS and interactions with them, why come here and talk trash about them? Why come here and make it seem that they were being loaded with free fuel and food? You claimed they came for food and fuel ... But you have only talked of the refueling and not the food? For your information, it is usual for any sea going vessel (commercial/Naval) to top-up fuel and crew consummables at any stopover harbour or Naval base so kindly tell us how you figured that the tank was empty? Did you jump into the tank?

Finally, it was a pre-planned friendly stopover and on the occasion we PAID for top-up fuel. You should be grateful!!

http://www.navy.mil.za/archive/1306/130607_Nigerian_visit/article.htm

I never rushed over. But I did want to look at it. I go foe a walk past all new visting ships.


I never menioned food. The supplys I was talking about where for any force that you land.

You do know the precsdors required to enter a fue tank are massive. I know how much fuel was put in because I saw the fuel truck.

Of course you paid for it. But you did not pay the navy for fuel. Only for shore supply and berthing and that money goes to the goverment not the defence force.

Donian007: You malicious liar!

What lia did I tell. Please tell me.

NaijaPikinGidi: You shoved it back at AndrewZA too intelligently. Well done Agaugust!! It makes no sense teaching these guys that such Naval stopovers are routinely done by friendly naval forces. If for this journey we had our first stopover in (Luanda) Angola, what makes South Africa consider a similar stopover in Simons Town to be so special or extraordinary? Though I am certain we took care of our food and fuel supplies, it is possible that on the orders of his boss, AndrewZA was busy cooking for the visiting Nigerian seamen and seems to be upset the used dishes were piled up for his attention at the end. Not our fault chef!

Please he just emarsing him self.

agaugust: did you personally open NNS Thunder's fuel tanks to check its level ? fool

NNS Thunder has travel range with fuel for over 22,000 km and that is enough for NNS Thunder to travel from calabar naval base to south africa 4 times without re-fuelling ! foolish south african navy chef/cook

now see why your navy uniform remains hanging on my mango tree for many months


Nigeria Navy NNS THUNDER
General characteristics
Displacement: 3,250 tons
Length: 378 feet
Beam: 43 feet
Draught: 15 feet
Propulsion: Two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines
Speed: 29 knots (54 km/h)
Range: 14,000 miles (23,000 km)
Endurance: 45 days
Complement: 167 personnel
Sensors and
processing systems: AN/SPS-40 air-search radar
Armament: Otobreda 76 mm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Chase_(WHEC-718)

a nigerian covert invasion force will not starve in south africa, we will be eating your own food, the Rhino poachers dont starve in south african bushes ? do they ? NO, and they continue to operate for over 10 years and cannot be defeated by south african military....your country is easy to invade, go ask the Rhino poachers

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Dude it was in simmons town I had lovely talks with the crew. I was all so there when it got fuel.

Rhino poachers only stay about 3 days in SA and are oparting from bases in mozimbique.

West coast has nothing. Most of it is empty land. The towns there are small and far between.

agaugust: .
for the doubting Thomas...

[size=14pt]Nigerian Navy Demonstrates Blue Water Capability ...

NNS Thunder in South Africa and Australia[/size]

only a blue water navy can embark on an intercontinental voyage from nigeria to austarlia about 20,000km away.

....reason why i said nigeria can land a covert assault force in a selected remote location of south africa's about 3,000km long and poorly defended coastline..... NNS Ambe in action.

http://beegeagle./2013/08/22/nigerian-navy-ship-nns-thunder-f90-in-launda-angola/
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It's tanks where near empty when it got to cape town. If it did not refuel it would have become stuck.

SA sailed strike raft to the middle east and to south east asia. Does not make them blue water.


You could probaly drop of a foce along the west coast but it would not be supported and it would be in the middile of no where. They will starve to death before ever firing a shot.