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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 10:03pm On Aug 04, 2013

2smooth2shout: how many battalions do you have in sudan

1 battlion and since you pulled out it is more than you have. We all so operate in red zones and have a history of makeing them green zones. That is done by winning hearts and minds. You know not commiting war crimes.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 8:13pm On Aug 04, 2013

2smooth2shout: i know a soldier who was part of the company that was ambushed that night. the guy told me that was the day Sudan became fearful of Nigeria. said they defended their base against thousands of Sudanese backed militias and still held the base. that's bravery

but SANDF will always have excuse for their failures and will continue to fail until we retrain them.

Then why have nigerians still been ambushed in sudan? And SANDF have gotten in to a number of fire fights in Sudan. Largest one had a covouy hit by auto cannons and rpgs 1 dead 3 wouned. The SA APC's survied the attack and made it out.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 8:06pm On Aug 04, 2013

2smooth2shout: dumbo.. direct military intervention. not some UN blue beret honeymoon trip.

burrindie and lestho were sa missions, though burrindie did turn in to a un mission

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 8:02pm On Aug 04, 2013

2smooth2shout: where has SA ever brought peace to in Africa? of course you can't be in the list of peace enforcers cos your military need to learn to fight first.

SANDF had to travel to train in Brazil just to fight rebels in a mission that's not theirs alone. shame

Lestho and burrindie

See any jungels in SA.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 7:52pm On Aug 04, 2013

You guys do know that if there is no new news you don't need to post regertated old crap.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 10:50am On Aug 01, 2013

for some one in the navy those boats you brag about do not frighten anyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equipment_of_the_Brazilian_Army

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Brazilian_military_aircraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Brazilian_Navy

there strong frigate and sub force will clear the nigerian coast

then a Then there A4 can target any coastal defenses with stand off weapons while under friendly SAM cover to boot.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 8:59am On Aug 01, 2013

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:41pm On Jul 31, 2013

2smooth2shout: then the page i read it from had the wrong info. till then. although i would like to see M23 wiped out, i'll also want SANDF to give us something to laugh about . my pain though is that it's not only SANDF. Tanzania's contingent is also big.

Even malwi should be sending around 850 men. Tanzian force on paper is big but on the ground only around 200 maybe 250(SF and HQ) are in the area. There regualer infantry batlion is still not ready. SA has 1250 men. A 850 strong infanty batlion, 150 strong parabat batlion, SF(numbers not knowen), a air wing, a engernering company and I belvie a heavy morta company.

If acstion were to take place tomorow SA could do the job with out tanzian but not the other way round. The SF need thos regualers to push and funel the rebels while the regualers need the highly mobil SF to go after the rebels. Unless those 850 men arrivied with in the week tanziana force is not all there.

SA has all so engadegd in 2 seprate fire fights against rebels. Niether were major in size but we did kill a hig ranking rebel leader, not a M23 leader actualy it was one of there enemys to, so we kind of helped them. They actualy attacked a M23 check point got driven off and then attacked a SA maned UN check point.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:09pm On Jul 31, 2013

2smooth2shout: the deadline UN gave the rebels expired by 4pm today and no offensive yet cos SANDF are still training. is it world war z they are going to fight?

4PM thursday not wensday.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 10:58pm On Jul 31, 2013

2smooth2shout: you don't seem to get my point. SA has an ambition of projecting power economically and militarily across africa and with that comes a price and big responsibilities "don't expect everyone to agree with your decisions".
you were dealt an embarrassing blow which gave you the opportunity to act in retaliation since it was rebels not government of CAR that killed your troops. the world expected you to act and you failed.

during the sierra Leon war. ivory coast, burkina faso and Liberia were against Nigeria's intervention and the rebels even got support from Liberia (not sure about the rest)which made it a bigger war. But Nigeria went ahead not minding the cost.

that's how you project power.

there was even a time gbagbo refused to grant Nigerian air force access through it's air space, threatened to shoot down our transport plane. But our government scrambled jets to escort the plane through ivory coast air space. thereby, risked getting involved in another war with them.

with power comes responsibilities and SA showed it wasn't ready to take on those responsibilities.

You do know that nigeria had the full support of the western world in serrie leon and liberia(who supported the rebels in SL long before nigeria). The nigerian army MTLBs were bought for the serrie leon mission by america. With out regualer american supply runs your APC would not have had spare parts thus preventing movements, they did a lot of tail work to keep the ECOMOG(mainly nigeria) probaly supplied. With out them you would have failed.

We had no such ambestion in CAR. We were simply asked in 2007 to assist CAR and agreed to help. If bozzie never asked we would not have been there. There is this cliam that the ANC had bussness intrest in CAR but it was open to all SA bussness but non wanted to invest in the place. So companys controled by the goverment were the only one that did.

If CAR burns(and it is buring now. It is in complet causes with only 200 cops all in bangui rebels and bandits control the country now) SA will not be affective so why would we push the issue. We offerd our help and it was turned down. It is now a FOMAC issue.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 10:21pm On Jul 31, 2013

2smooth2shout: then why did you retreat from CAR. you lost all credibility after that. even M23 laugh it off and warned your troops when they heard SANDF was going to join the offensive in DRC. the deadline UN gave the rebels expired by 4pm today and no offensive yet cos SANDF are still training. is it world war z they are going to fight?

we actualy offerd fomac the optsion for us to stay behind in CAR. they turned us down. now the cowards who fled the fight are there doing nothing well people are being butched and raped.

M23 actualy tried to beg us to not deploy. they even sent parlment a letter.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 10:15pm On Jul 31, 2013

2smooth2shout: i thought it to be DENEL product. is it?

R6 is denel galil MAR is IMI or israely milltary industry. The R seriers is a modfied galil. Mostly just internal parts are made difrent, more polmer and some onther small detials like longer stok. They twins basicaly.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 10:11pm On Jul 31, 2013

Henry120: It is nice. I think they should have added a fore-grip for better shooting convenience. Other than that, it's a pretty impressive piece.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:33pm On Jul 31, 2013

Henry120: Guyz, can anyone I.D the rifle used by this tanzanian special forces? It looks very compact and it seems light too.

Galil MAR. It close to the R6. They have modfied them though with sights, folding stock and some other upgrades.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:42am On Jul 31, 2013

2smooth2shout: guy there are two types of tactical units in US. FBI tactical team and police S.W.A.T.
i don't know about the FBI training but i know all US state police S.W.A.T have the same training.

i can bring another list of top 20 and SA is still missing. their achievements that your comrade posted here shows too many hostage casualties and injuries which only portrays not more than 10-20% success rate. meanwhile NPF SAS and Anti Terror units have better success rates at counter terrorism and hostage rescue without casualties or injuries but we don't make noise about it.

Truth is that your special task force is only known and recognized by south africans.

just like ours is known to us alone.

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Nope. There are hundreds of usa polece tatical teams. ATF has one, FBI, county poice, state poliece, ech large city, extra. All have there own tatical unit and all have difrent level of training. There is a basic minuimen level but the training is not standised.

And a qustion stands. What was the critare used, who made the list(what was there qulifacastions) and what teams were revied.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:35am On Jul 31, 2013

agaugust: @NaijapikinGidi called you a navy chef and you are angry ! you just called me a janitor and fake researcher but i did not complain. so you dont like to be given a taste of your own medicine ?

You are a fony. Mr a street light found you out.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:33am On Jul 31, 2013

agaugust: when NNS Aradu fires 8 Otomat missiles against the first south african naval blockade valour frigate, you need supernatural power to stop all the 8 missiles at once, instead i will advice y.our sailors say their final pslam/bible prayers before they all R.I.P.

please stop posting your personal opinions on this forum as they are tested and confirmed technical and scientific facts. please stop confusing both nigerian and south africans who read your posts, now show me source weblink that says Otomat missile has average shelf life of 30 years. i am waiting for you

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Assuming you can get a lock and all 8 fire all 8 will be shot down. 32 umkonto per vallour plus the 76mm and then the 35mm. And a advance fire contol sytem. Now what will ardu use. Outdated 40mm and SAMs that sa had and removed from serves long ago due to the fact they obsolet.

This is not persnail opion it is fact.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:26am On Jul 31, 2013

sambos994: You're talking about a nation that spends 700 billion dollars on it's military. They're bound to invade a county like Iraq.

Iraq had one of the largest armies in the world in 1991 yet even in fights were the forces were equaly in numbers the better trained us forces beat the combat experianced iraqy army.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:18am On Jul 31, 2013

agaugust: i am tired of talking to a fool, but i will try. your foolishness makes me feel i am just wasting my time on this thread.

explain to us on this forum how america controls GPS of the world, including that of Russia and China. you this b.uffoon !

who gave you physical access into nigerian military installations for you to know nigeria has no datalink ?

nigerian navy NNS Aradu's Otomat anti-ship missile have range of at least 80km and is still longer range than south african navy valour frigates Exocet missile range of 70km.

nigeria go two different batches of Otomat, and some sources say first batch was Mk 1 with range 80km and second batch was Mk 2 with range 180km. see end of this weblinks page of Otomat users http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

stop talking about satellites, you know very little about them, south africa does not have any, so s.hut up !

stop talking about other countries electronic systems, no country will reveal their level to you, its always classified and many times done by companies not counted as weapons exporters to be recorded on UN arms sales log. dont fool yourself and your soweto countrymen about deep classified technical things that you dont know.

dont deceive yourself about how NNS Aradu will sink south african valour frigate with our longer range Otomat anti-ship missile, too many radars and satellites on land, air, sea, outer space are available to nigeria today and enough to locate all south african warships 300km to 600km away from nigerian coastal waters.

the fear and avoidance of NNS Aradu's Otomat anti-ship missile will save south african navy from another Seleka defeat, this time at at sea

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GPS is american russia and china have there own sytems. The ground stastion that runs GPS is run by the USAF and is in america. The fact you don't know this is more proof you are a foney.

Nigeria uses the otomat 1 that does not use data link, nigeria uses SA radios and commes sytems all with out data link, nothing nigeria has purches or builds uses datalink. So unless you can show other wise SA is the only african country with data link. And we devloped our self since no one would sell it to us.

And they far larger(easyier target) and depended on receiving info frome the ardu. A sidnal that the valour could easly jam.

SA had satlits long before nigeria. And unlike nigeria we build our own satlights.

No but based on what you buy from us we know our advance you are in that regaurd.

Your missiels are experied and if they not they large targets and easy to jame. Most likely ardu would not even get a shot off and would be blinded to the fact it is being shot at.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:05am On Jul 31, 2013

sambos994: Brazil hasn't fought a war in six decades. And Nigeria practically funded the whole ECOMOG operation.

And when america attacked iraq when was the last time they fought a armoured war. Traing equals combat experiance somthing nigeria does not relize. When was the last major brigade level training exersize in nigeria.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:03am On Jul 31, 2013

agaugust: you seem to be more foolish than i think, shame on the military academy in south africa that trained you.

Badger IFV of south africa is a product of Finland, http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/new-badger-fighting-vehicle-to-be-assembled-in-south-africa-2011-03-15

Augusta AW109 is a transport/utility helicopter and it has no weapons, so it cannot win you a war, thats my point i said in my post.

south africa has no more Cheetah jets, all sold to Equador, or do you want me to start counting nigeria's 18 Jaguar jets on this forum and forget F-7 jet. nigerian Jaguar jet will change story on this forum if we bring it on, India is the 4th super power in the world and still flies the same Jaguar jets today

for God's sake can anybody please help me find an intelligent and technically competent south african military man to join this forum ? i am tired of this dummies here and i feel like quitting this forum finally, i get tired talking to fools.

nigeria still has 18 of this powerful Jaguar jet fighters, almost new condition in long term storage.

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did i say the badger was not finnish. But sa will build it and the engien is sweddish.

the A109 can carry MGs. but yes it a transport helcopter. attack choopers can not win a war alone.

not all the cheeta c were sold. a number of them are still in sa with denel or saaf mussiem. or are kept air worthy and are flown. and all sa wepaons are qulfied on them including.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 8:55am On Jul 31, 2013

agaugust: No ! Brazil CANNOT defeat nigeria in war.

Brazil and Nigeria are almost equal in weapons but Nigeria has superior combat experience 10 times better than Brazil.

Brazils air force and navy jet fighters are of 1955 to 1982 generations and nigeria's F-7 jet is a 2008 light point defence and attack jet fighter. we are the same level.

Brazils army and nigerian army are almost equal in artillery guns and armoured vehicles, but nigeria has many more modern and advanced armoured fighting vehicles than Brazil.

Brazils navy has a scrap junk France donated gift 'hands me down' old year 1960s aircraft carrier loaded with 1960s jet fighters, you salute Brazil for that but you insult nigeria for having NNS Thunder gift from USA, you are just fools in south africa the way you all think.

apart from Type 209 submarines for its very long coastline of about 8,000km ten times longer than nigerian 800km coastline, Brazils navy has nothing better than nigeria especially with our 4 new stealth warships coming to nigerian navy soon. also, Nigerian navy has a 20 times better coastal defence fast attack craft force than Brazil.

Nigerian military's air defense weapons force is 10 times better than that of Brazils military.

Nigeria will fight Brazil to a stalemate at least.

you see why i said your south african military academy is junk, see how you analyse war and fumble

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Wow you a fool.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 8:51am On Jul 31, 2013

agaugust: [img]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-0000259608-016.jpg?size=67&uid=868be1a2-7364-4489-a5d1-6ca0f95527ad[/img]

quote weblink source and dont change written history that the whole world knows, nigerian army was 95% resposnsible for the jungle warfare defeat of all rebels in liberia and sierra leone. post weblink source for your c.raaaaaazy claim.

@andrewza, for this comment you made about ECOMOG in west african wars, i think y.our m.other should r.egret the day s.he gave birth to you as a s.hameless liar, how do you train your children ? same way you are ?

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/liberia/

http://beegeagle./2012/12/09/the-ecomog-years-nigerian-troops-in-liberia-photo-credit-corbispatrick-robert/

yes nigeria is better than Brazil in war, this is not world cup football, Brazil has zero combat modern experience, nigeria has experience of 500,000 soldier Biafra war involving army, navy, air force and the one hour video of that was posted here bu @patriot4 no need to repeat the video.

nigerian army, navy, air force joint operation of the 3rd marine commandoes defeated Biafra finally through the jungle and swamps under command of ex-president Army General Obasanjo. go google it you fool

nigeria has 12 year war experience with about 50,000 soldiers rotated in batches of about 10,000 in liberia and sierra leone, the a Lt. colonel of that time Chris Olukolade of ECOMOG is still in service as Brigadier General, google his name and profile.

all the experience nigeria gained from Biafra to Liberia to Sierra Leone are documented and incorporated into our NDA military academy and War College eduction and training programme to transfer the skills and experience to every new nigerian soldier that joins our military.

It is a well knowen fact EO was able to end the war but was then replacesed by peace keepers who let the rebels recaptur the diomand mines thus starting there assult.

Nigeria would not have succed with out support of the west.

If you think that you better than brazil you a bigger fool than I thought. There level of training far exceds nigeria. And if you want to bring up early 1990s combat experiance we can can bring up late 1980s combat experiance.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 8:24am On Jul 31, 2013

2smooth2shout: thanx. and my genre is Drama by the way not action. the US S.W.A.T is the best tactical team in the world, they didn't get that reputation by just posing for photos.

dude, the US has the highest gun violence in the world, has been fighting drug cartels for decades, gang wars still going on etc.. unless south africa is dealing with terrorists internally what makes south africa more dangerous?

i understand your patriotism but your special task force is not internationally recognized and not even close to top ten in the world.

here's a list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJLpGF3968

What was the criteria for that list, who created that list and what countries did he look at. Any case if you say american SWAT with team. The US have hundreds of difrent poliece forces each with there own tatical unit and level of training. Most are not caled SWAT even.

USA has a larg populstion hence higher murder rate.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:09pm On Jul 30, 2013

2smooth2shout: the last line has to be a joke. they are not half trained as US tactical team but the tactical team training is not considered to be of special force level.

i mean what kind of a military will even require a special police squad for support when they already have special forces that should be better trained for it?

You really think so?

How many US teams are all para qulfied, combat diving qulfied, urban and rural combat trained, demolistion trained, train with heavy wepaons extra extra.

SA is one of the most dangouris places in the world. Yet task force has a 100% succes rate in hostiage rescues. There is no poliece unit in the world that comes close to them. Youtube search SA task force there is a documantry on them and what they do. At least one hostage rescue a week and not once have they lost a hostaige in a take down.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 8:54pm On Jul 30, 2013

sambos994: ...and you didn't bring reinforcements

No we did not fly in the battlion that was forced to go to uganda. A speciol forces team was flown in during the battel but they never reached the para bats. They tried to reach the bridge that the CAR army (a battlion) had just abdonded to destroy it. They were to late and they were gradualy forced back by a large rebel force. When they reached the city out scirts they broke contacted to avoid colltral damge. They then defended the base against a rebel attack.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 7:37pm On Jul 30, 2013

NaijaPikinGidi: You are one huge fool and a bloody Naval chef whose definition of war is feeding fat in the kitchen for your fellow journeymen at the expense of your disillusioned taxpayers!

listen here i am not a chef, unless you can prove iam chef dont cliam i am. bloody keyboaer warror.

and i have a lot of respect for naval chefes, they do a lot more than you think. so why dont you join the navy and find out. but you a coward that would never make it.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 6:57pm On Jul 30, 2013

NaijaPikinGidi: Are you really serious about your comment above? And don't you think it is an indictment on your SANDF that your SAPS will need to be brought in to do military operations? Do you now see the reason for our correct views about the weakness of your SANDF despite the shiny weapons they exhibit whenever there's a camera operator around? In other climes it is the military that comes to the rescue of the Police ... as such it is very clear why your CAR disgrace happened! Your SANDF were busy waiting for the Police who were rather busy dragging people tied to the back of Police vans.

Don't get ahead of yourself young man!

You one big fool.

It's called justricstion.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 6:47pm On Jul 30, 2013

sambos994: Be that as it may, it still doesn't change the fact that he took Bangui. It's one thing to inflict heavy losses, it's another thing to finish the job.

And non of the SA tarining team was injuried. The orgnial mission was to protect that training team. Then bozzie escaped because we held the rebels of for 2 days. 200 held of 3000+ rebels for 2 days. That's not bad.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 6:39pm On Jul 30, 2013

NaijaPikinGidi: You really need deliverance!

and you need to open your mind

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 6:23pm On Jul 30, 2013

sambos994: The president of CAR (also the leader of Seleka rebels) would gladly disagree with you

Actualy seleka and thus the leader of them, stated that they sufferd heavy losses and that the South African were not a easy enemy. So no you just can't admited the fact that the SANDF can inflect that many losses.

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