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sambos994: Why do they wear military camo?

All so it is not military camo but poliece camo. It is simlare to the pattern kovoet used.

All so they are very miltanted in there operstion. They not cops, more speciol forces that focuses on domist issues that fall under the poliece.

chris365: everyone knows south africa has weapons and money to purchase more. But the real issue is that your personnel lack the experience and expertise to use those weapons in real conflict and not those marketing photos you've been showing.

800 dead rebels in car would disagree with you

agaugust: ..@fighter pilot, @msauza, @paniki, etc

see guys, i said DENEL does not produce any of the heavy weapon platforms on south african europan made weapons importation list i posted yesterday. simple.

a weapon platform is what is used to launch a bullet, bomb, rocket, or missile.

i did my research well, and i am very correct to say 90% of DENEL made waepons are light weapons like R4 rifle of which almost half a million have been produced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R4_assault_rifle

how many G6 artillery guns did DENEL produce ? about 150 units. how many umhkonto missiles ? tell us now

stop deceiving yourselves. without the heavy weapon platforms made in europe and imported to south africa, almost all DENEL made weapons/ammunition/ordnance will be useless.

how will DENEL A-Darta missile be fired without British Hawk jet or Swedish Gripen jet ?

how will DENEL umhkonto missile be fired without German Type 209 submarine ?

how will Rooivalk helicopter fly without French engine ?

how will Badger IFV move without Finland's engine/chasis ?

the list is long so dont waste my precious time. all you south africans are just a bunch of over-bloated egoistic mofos that believe DENEL is an army in itself, sorry o, DENEL is a company with civilian staff.

anyway, Morocco is now ranked above southy africa with its new $4 billion weapons, over 50 latest versions of F-16 jets, powerful FREMM multi-purpose frigate with 180km range new Exocet anti-ship missiles, 330,000 man army of regular and reserves with 20 years combat experience....

these countries can invade and defeat or stalemate south africa at home as at today year 2013

Egypt
Algeria
Morocco

these countries can invade and stalemate south africa at home by year 2014

Nigeria
Angola


this is Angola's army in actyion below !


https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7292/ensayodesfile4defebrero.jpg

You do know we building the badger, Agusta a109s and critcal sytems of all our milltary hardwar.

You did perthitic resherch, every year the nastional concentional arms control committee reals a list by class. Class A is a bigger earner than class B. In toatal our arms export was R10,603,748,933.00 to 89 countries. The SANDF has more has close to 300,000 assult rifels and we destoyed a lot of our surpless wepaons most of the R4 were not exported.

Umkontia pruducstion line has not clossed so we that number is hard to give, both sa and finland uses it.

The A-darta could be fired from a cheeta C.

French engiens made in SA, and they could use any engien we just had french engiens so used them. Any case how will a american M1 shoot with out a germain gun.


Again proof you did zero reshearch. The banger uses sweddish engiens


You cliam to be a reshearcher but in truth you a jantor.

agaugust: stop picking half information to deceive people here, leave Harrier jet of speed 1,000km/hr aside, in Iraq gulf war Roland SAM shot down 2 NATO Tornadoes powerful jets that have high speed 2,400km/hr one of the fastest jets existing today, you avoid mentioning that, liar

dont ever mention that museum relic south african air force Dakota 1950 generation MPA aircraft on this forum again. if money is your problem in south africa, come and borrow nigerian airforce ATR-42 Surveyor MPA aircraft end enjoy its most modern technology of NATO standards

please dont talk about your south african navy out-dated 1979 fast ttack vessels on this forum, come borrow nigerian navy 2012 shaldag fast attack craft or stealth combat catamarans, we have 300 and we can loan you 30

NNS Aradu Otomat anti-ship missile is GPS guided and nigeria has 3 space satellites to find south african valour warship and communicate with NNS Aradu, she has new radar and support from the 330km range radar of nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft combined with our navy's 10 coastal stations ocean monitoring radars with hundreds of kilometres range ....south african Valour frigate warships will be sunk to sea bottom if you dare any naval blockade of nigeria, either nigerian army artillery with 11km to 24km range or NNS Aradu Otomat missile with 80km to 180km range

who told you all missiles expire in 30 years ? show me source of the shelf life of Otomat missile, show me.
you are lost in south african cage, travel out and learn from other countries, your navy academy is out-dated in south africa, missiles all over the world get their expiry date extended in a very simple way you dont know, many missiles now last 45 years you old school navy boy

and a SU57-2 shot down a tornado and it been obosoliety since the 1960s. those tornados were shot down while perfoming a low alttuied attack runs.

it fine you only have 2 so not like you could afford that, and the turbo daks may be old but they can easly carry advance sytems.

you the one that spok so highly of them saying they had the firpower of a frigate, and they have all been modfied and upgraded, thaey basicaly new builds. and you want to compare gun boats to a ship that can carry anti ship missiels(not ATGMs) has 76mm main guns advance EW sytems and radars. wow you crazy the strike craft is a threat to your new chiness opvs never mind your gun boats

you dont know? the otmat one of nigeria are not data linked so they only use full in short range. GPS is controled by america those satlites will be of no help. how will your satlights communcat with your ship, is is set up to recieve that data stream. you do know the alour is stealth and has very advance EW sytems, not even the germans, brits, indians, braziln extra can pick it up at that range. The otomat is a very big missiel and would be a easy target for a umkontoa or 35mm. the ardue will be fire whil in range of the exsoset and out dated air defence will be easly pentraited.


since you act like a big shot phone MBDA and ask them. and i know from talking to missiel technistions. 30 years is your averge shelf live.

agaugust: south african military always does very s.tupid things and very f.oolish war strategies, your army went to Brazil for jungle warfare training but Brazil has no modern war experience and zero modern combat history, so what are they teaching you ? textbook war theory or from photos and videos like in @THIZA's nairaland posts ?

when teenage rebels defeat your army now you will say your you killed 800 ghost rebels whose dead bodies disappeared from world news and no one ever saw them dead or buried, it is south african c.offins that we saw all over internet.

is the south african brain c.ursed to always misfire ?

nigeria has the best jungle warfare experience in Africa, 3 years in Biafra war of half a million soldiers, and 12 years in liberian war, sierra leonian war of 100,000 soldiers.

your ego and s.enseless pride made you see nigeria with open eyes and blindly go to brazil to learn jungle warfare for an african battle in a south american country. the Brazil's army does not know the culture and psychology of african rebels in Congo DRC but nigerian army know all the stuff with 15 years combat experience.

if nigerians insult south africans now all of you will be angry with us when we say south african brain is 33% functional.

Bafana Bafana should be the ones your country sends to Brazil for football training, not south african army...you fools

Bifar happened years ago any experiance is long since forgoten, nigeria is not a jungel warfare expert. Liberia and serrie leon? EO did a better job even beagel blog agrees.

In 1991 america had zero dessert warfar combat experiance yet destoyed the combat experianced iraqy army.


Have you seen brazil it basicaly one big ass jungel and there jungel warfare training is far better than littel nigeria. Or do you thing that nigeria is now better tha brazil?

2smooth2shout: you know a source would have been nice to back up your claims. instead of this tales by moonlight you just gave

Did you give a source for your claim? No you did not. I am on my cell phone and source diving is tediadce but all of this has been coverd with sources posted. We even sent solders to brazil for jungel warfare training.

2smooth2shout: but information reaching me is that the offensive is delayed because the troops(including yours) are not yet ready.

so what have they been teaching in your defense training? how to facebook?

Your info is about 1 month old. SA has deployed all of it's forces in to the AO. 1250 and has engaded in 2 fire fights to defend civlians suffring zero losses wounding, killing or capturing around 10 rebels. We even killed the leader of one of the rebel groups. Tanziana has around 200 men in the AO and there genrail is there. Maliw is has yet to arive. The brigade will be ready end of setember. Next time do real reasherch when you cliamed to have done reshearch.

GidiNaijaPikin: Kindly recoil to your cocoon and remain there for a while!! You were the ones saying sometime ago that our Navy was overstretched fighting phantom pirates in the Gulf of Guinea. Yet we can afford to send off the NNS Thunder to Australia while all your fancy ships and subs cannot set sail beyond your habour?

Please walk in reverse to your small Thokoza corner!

3 veasels are taking part in shared accord 2013 a 4 is on ops copper and a 5 is at sea for other resaons. So that 5 ships out of the harbor today 5 days ago it was 6.

GidiNaijaPikin: Don't be an idiot! I knew long before you mentioned and better still it's on the Nigerian Navy site and also a topic of discussion on BeegEaglesBlog.com. Sadly you'll not be eating more than you cook for the Navy!! Bloody Navy Chef wanting to be a second-gunner or medic in a South African Navy that has no available ship able to travel to Australia!!

i dont need a keyborde warroir to tell me what i am. before you think of insuting a naval chef why dont you become one. but you would probaly fail has a mess men and my musstring is seamanship.

Augustine Again: dont be in a hurry bros, tell your south african admrirals to come to lagos next year 2014 and engage two nigerian navy stealth guided missile Type 056 warships in an exercise.

for now anyway, help me tell your cape town and simon's town adrmirals to fly your Dakota MPA aircraft to calabar and engage nigerian ATR-42 MPA aircraft in a 300km range air to surface radar sea patrol exercise

also remind your soweto admirals to bring south african navy SAS Galeshewe to engage nigeian navy's stealth NNS Zaria in a fast attack craft exercise, while your south african T-Craft 'Toy-Craft' boats engage nigerian Shladag fast patrol boat in some 50 knots high speed coastal sea power exercises

come to lagos and show us a south african navy fast attack boat that will join nigerian shaldag fast attack boat in a move from zero start speed to 50 knots in 50 seconds combat exercise

we are waiting for your navy in lagos...dont try a naval blockade when you come...beware of NNS Aradu's Otomat anti-ship missiles that skims on sea surface to 'kiss' enemy targets 80km to 180km away.

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you dont even know for sure if your opv's will have SSMs so you can not call then guided missiel any thing right now. regaurdless i bilvie there were talks of a san ns exersize

you assume that a dakota could not carry a radar? any case we will send our project sauce pan air craft instead


my money is on our strike craft coming out the winner, t craft are actualy rescue boats that are used for patrols since there orgnial purpose is defucted.


ok how about the barricada mk1 or mk2, or the hurrcain. then for fun we will see who runs out of fuel first



and you think a 30 year old SSM is still working? that way past a missiels shelf life. not to menstion max range means nothing if both combatans are in range of each other. if you think you could lock on to a valour at 180km away when the germain and indian navy need to be closser than that with far more modern ships

2smooth2shout: busy doing what? last i checked Nigerian Navy is more busy than SA navy. and you have more frigate than us. so please indulge us with your commitments.

During the review it will be

1 frigate for ops copper and 1 frigate on standby. 1 frigat is in dry dock and the other could sail but has just returend from ops copper and conducted a number of war games so will be get prevetive maintance she is all so cooked for a refite after the current one is done with hers. Even if mendi refit is done soon it will still need to conduct sea trail and gunnry trails. That all 4 frigats busy exept one that on standby.

MCM and strike craft would need a esscort and drankberg is busy with maintance when that is done it sea trails and gunnry trails. Protea could go but that may impact our survey work.

Of the 3 subs 1 is now in refit and the 2 others are busy training the new submarners. There are a lot so they kind of busy.

Every singly SAN ship that could go is busy. And the others would need a escort.

Augustine Again: first question you should ask yourself is; nigerian navy is not a blue water navy according to you, it only operates in brown waters of the coast and EEZ according to you. then the distance and waters from lagos to australia is also coastal brown water too ? NNS Thunder is travelling about 20,000km to Australia. That is an anti-pirate navy ?

secondly, it is interesting that you related the NNS Thunder australian navy voyage to NNS Aradu, that was what brought up my post about a shocking NNS Aradu information never mentioned on this forum.

before now, you south african guys enjoy confusing nigerians about what our weapons can do, but we dont tolerate that nonsense anymore. we did into facts about our weapons and declare what firepower they possess.

the navy officer and i were discussing the same australian voyage you mentioned after i saw in on our navy website and i engaged the officer in discussion about it.

i said NNS Aradu should have gone, but the navy officer replied "NNS Aradu is repaired and refitted at our lagos naval dockyard and is kept in service for emergency national defense like against a foreign naval threat within about 100km radius of nigerian coastal waters with vital oil and gas interests" .

my mind went back to your south afrian navy's frigate failed naval blockade simulation and the way your valour frigates ran away to sit 50km to 100km off nigerian coast in fear of nigerian army artillery firepower.

i asked him to explain how NNS Aradu will defend nigeria against any enemy navy warship within about 100km of nigerian coastline/shores.

his answer surprised me. i dont plan to post it today. maybe during this new week, i should.

lastly, dont change my words, i never said nigerian Roland SAM anti-aircraft missile is the best in the world today, all i proved was that it is deadly and it will shoot down the whole south african airforce if your jets try to attack it or attack the nigerian army, the new south african SAM starstreak missile you posted and boasted about here with its shiny photos actually has the same combat range as the nigerian Roland SAM and the south african missile has less targeting options and less mobility and armour protection for the operator.

Also, nigerian Roland SAM is 7 times more e.xplosive and d.estructive than south african Starstreak SAM. I dare you to argue these five fact with me.

so, Roland SAM remains the second best anti-aircraft missile in Africa today after the S-300 SAM of Algerian army masters over south africa.

photo of south african starstreak SAM purchased and imported from Britain...all that glitters is not gold

You would agree that the Sara4.5 is a coastal veasel. Yet we sailed them from israel and then they went to south east asia, conducted Specil Forces mission of angola and a host of other missions. Sending a ship to a foghin port is not the same has conducting milltary operastions 1000kms from a freindly base. I mean NNS thunder sailed from the USA.

50km is not that far and means they can intocept any veasel entering or leaving the harbour. When I first posted the simmulastion I menstioned they were while away from the coast. Then in yours you brought them in to 14km from the coast.

How many rolands were fired at harrer jets in the falk lands and of them how many were hit. Hell the SU57-2 a SPAAG that was obsoliet in the 1960s still shot down a tornado. SA 20mm on the back of a truck aka a thecnical shot down fighter jets. The roland may shoot down the odd air craft but will in the end be destroyed.

Appels and oreges. The star streak is a ligh man porbal ADATS sytem that can be used from ares a roland could never go. And it can even be used against AFV. The umkonto is closer to the roland in role.

NaijaPikinGidi: Nigeria Navy is currently the only African Navy to be represented at the 2013 Australia International Fleet Review.
http://www.navy.gov.au/ifr/participating-units

Nigeria Navy Warship NNS Thunder will be alongside other prestigious World Naval Forces!
http://www.navy.gov.au/ifr/participating-units/warships

Sadly AndrewZA will not be on cooking duties for SAN in Australia.

Dude I am not a chef. And naval chefs are genraily second gunners, medics and fire fighters. Any case you only knew because I told you.

We were invited but have prior comminments. AKA we busy. But I am sure you second hand coast gaurd cutter will wow the show.

NaijaPikinGidi: [size=13pt]Bulletproof vests worn 'incorrectly' in CAR[/size]
2013-07-19 09:14

Johannesburg - The incorrect use of bulletproof vests during the Battle of Bangui in the Central African Republic (CAR) in March was probably why 15 South African soldiers were killed, Beeld reported on Friday.

Colonel Renier "Doibi" Coetzee, a senior South African Special Forces officer, made this statement on behalf of his superiors at a press conference in Pretoria earlier this week.

Coetzee said soldiers who had worn their jackets correctly withstood several bullets and survived the ordeal.

He said that after the 23 March battle it had emerged that some of the South African troops had not worn their jackets in the prescribed way.

"Some took out the bulletproofing plates, while others just wore breast plates. This left their backs unprotected."

Coetzee said the army was currently evaluating both instructions for wearing the jackets, and the quality of items being issued to soldiers.

"It is true that our jackets are a bit old, and that the technology is a bit outdated... but there's nothing wrong with them."

Wearing the jackets was optional, and especially when it was hot, solders tended to remove the plates.

"American and British soldiers in Afghanistan eat and sleep with their jackets on, and they would not dare move from camp without them. This is one of the things that after the current evaluation will probably become mandatory for our soldiers," he said.

Source: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Bulletproof-vests-worn-incorrectly-in-CAR-20130719
- SAPA




Since this was posted a while back, all South African brains here have failed to make any comment about it. Brainless cowards!

Ok how about this

1:It a south african source there fore in your eyes a in can not be true. Or it is true and 800 rebels are dead. You can not pick and choose.

2:how body armour is effective enough to stop muiltpill 7.62mm rounds at least. Though it may be a git heavy.

3: watch blackhawk down.

Augustine Again: [img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/07/dsc05325.jpg[/img]



see the r.ubbish you wrote above. okay now....

Nigeria too can produce all the equipment and weapons that DENEL makes if we decide to do so.

You say anti-bomb robots are common ? so anything nigeria makes that south africa does not make is common ? same way you said nigerian 120km range rocket testing at Epe can be done by any fool too. you friend @saengine posted a 1km range rocket made by an american amateur to prove how a south african brain compares things, 120km = 1km

Fact is, nigerian NAF made remote controlled bomb detonation robot is the first to be made in Africa, your son will read that in the books of african history soon.

Since you say you dont care, then we nigerians too dont care about all the DENEL made weapons you south africans post here, go eat them for breakfast, please inform @THIZA

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I have my doubts it reached 120km. If it did that it would have been major news.

And yes it is common. 2 south african built a roboat for diaster rescue. 2 people.

And stop it with denel it only one of a 100 commpanies. Somthing like you showed in the pic would be built by CSRIS.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt]some shocking things about NNS ARADU never mentioned in this forum[/size]

will post details in some days from now. discussed with a nigerian navy officer. some surprising information never mentioned on this thread.

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2011/09/nns-aradu.jpg[/img]

It probably going to be the typical post of yours. You going to over egatrart and post miss infomastion then ignore all the post of us correcting you. You did the same thing when you tried to enend a navel blockade for arty and make out the roland to be the best sam ever.


Here somthing for you to chew on though. Why is NNS thunder going to the austrialn fleet review and not NNS aradu.

agaugust: keep looking and ask @THIZA for help DENEL produces everything in the world

Denel could make a bomb desposil robot. The tech for it is rather common place these days. Thing is I don't see denel makeing it. They more in to mine clearing and rout clearing than bomb desposle. There is a diffrent SA company for that. I just don't know if it there robot are a forghine desghine. I really don't care though.

agaugust: show us the remote controlled bomb detonating robot built in south africa like nigeria has done.

tell your south african friends to stop posting insults about nigeria, we wont keep quiet, we will reply.

if you want to keep this thread clean, talk to your south african people who post nonsense here, like @craigB and @msauza who said nigerian made bomb detector is a toy for kids to play with.

I don't know if it is built I'm SA. Will have to look.

NaijaPikinGidi: Tell that to your spamming brothers and sisters! It's a weekend ... So we all chilling like that!

No it every one.

agaugust: also buy a body bag, because the NAF robot will surely detonate, delete, and dispose your son.

https://www.spokeo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/RIP-Spokeo-Info-Bubble.jpg

It a bomb desposal robot not a combat drone. SAPS uses them in SA though I am not sure if SANDF EOD teams use robots. While for land based bombs we use drones for sea mines.


On a related note why has there been not one new revant post. I mean come on if there is nothing new to talk about don't clutter the place with nonnsens.

The AU is trying to put together a African Standby brigade and each region should have one. But they don't work.

Has for a unfied African Milttary. Not going to happen. Do you think a milltary would stand to be run by a forghner. Africa is far from unfied with many holding grudges against ne another.


Has for nukes. There is a resone SA got rid of the in the 1990s. They expensve to keep, of littel use in most wars(they were only used in WW2), atgonise other countries, and if somthing goes wrong it will really ruin a lot of peoples day. Nukes for the most part are of zero value to a african milltary.



Any case let's say africa does some how turn in to the uniteid states of africa and gets nukes and then nukes say france. What do you think the west would do surrenda? Or destroy africa.

Msauza: The Denel's Vektor CR-21 (5.56) is set to replace R4 and R5.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vektor_CR-21

Here under are images of vektor CR-21

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as26/vektor-cr21-2.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as26/vektor-cr21-4.jpg

http://1.bp..com/-yTgn-d4KM5s/TgFbDTJ43GI/AAAAAAAADDM/3DwoDrEak9k/s400/Vektor+CR21.JPG

The SANDF have not decided with what they going to replace the R4 with. There are a number of optsions such has the raptor
http://truvelo.ingen.co.za/content/assault-rifles

Or licesnc manfactoring of a forghine rifel like. HK makes nice assult rifels, there is the tavor, stery aug, SA80A2 hell even that new chinnes bullup looks intristing. But has it stands a replacment for the R4 is not a prioty.

Donian007: SOUTH AFRICAN AIRFORCE'S AUGUSTA-109 HELICOPTERS GROUNDED, JOINS GRIPENS IN STORAGE FREEZER. www.african-defense.com/?p=2794 AFRIKAAN'S DAILY BEELD REPORTS: www.beeld.com/nuus/2013-07-24-ons-helis-staan ALSO: www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1227/saaf-crisis-caused-by-underfunding DefenceWeb, July 24, 9:58am QUOTE: Not one of SA Airforce's(SAAF) 18 Augusta A109 helicopters is currently flying because there are no funds to use them operationally, the Africaans daily Beeld roports. QUOTES FURTHER: Military analyst Helmoed-Romer Heitman was scathing in his reponse. "The Air Force, as with the entire SANDF is suffering as a result of government's inability to decide what it wants from its military. "An air force without fighters is a dead duck in the African military context. A defence force without helicopters and transport aircrafts is a dinosaur in a swamp. An army without attack and transport helicopters is a lame duck and a navy without maritime helicopters and maritime patrol aircraft is blind, " was how the Defence Review Committee member reacted to the A-109 grounding coupled with other current equipment shortcoings in the SANDF.

The article was badly edited and should read 18 A109s have been grounded not all. it is sad though, hopefully the new budget (just around the corner) will be larger.

Will point out that if we have problems with our larger budget i wonder how NAF is doing with a simmlar size force but smaller budget

http://www.peherald.com/news/article/17416

THE usual calm and tranquility of the R342 leading into the Eastern Cape hamlet of Alicedale exploded into dramatic action yesterday as a group of South African and US soldiers opened fire on an extensive convoy of "enemy" vehicles carrying hundreds of troops through the area.

Small arms and rocket fire and the booms of other ordnance echoed through a valley leading into the town before the ambush party was quickly overrun by the soldiers in the convoy, marking the end of the first major engagement of the military exercise Shared Accord.

Formally launched in Port Elizabeth on Wednesday, this is a joint peace support operation and humanitarian relief exercise between the militaries of South Africa and the US and involves a number of arms, such as the air force, army, navy and medical services of both countries.

Shared Accord involves 2500 soldiers from the SANDF's 43 South African Brigade and about 700 members of the US Armed Forces who will be involved in various other exercises, including an airborne assault and a massive beach landing operation.

These will be held in a variety of locations which include Grahamstown, King William's Town, East London and Bulembo Airport near Bhisho, with an important aspect of the overall mission being to provide medical services to a number of communities in the vicinity.

With the overriding objectives being to test the two militaries' capabilities, increase their knowledge and understanding of one another and further entrench cooperation between the two armies and countries as a whole, yesterday's operation was hailed as a success.

Based on the mock military scenario that critical water supplies had been cut off by an occupying force, the exercise saw the militaries split into two opposing forces with the objective of the first force being to engage the enemy to re- establish the water supply and thereby alleviate a humanitarian crisis.

This scenario saw contact points, including an ambush, which incorporated the tactical placement of improvised explosive devices (IED) ahead of the arrival of the enemy convoy which had sent an advance four- vehicle scout ahead of the long convoy of vehicles.

The four vehicles, which included the famous Humvees known for their use in Iraq and Afghanistan, were struck by the hidden IED, which marked the start of the exercise. The vehicles formed part of an extensive convoy of 75 South African and US troop carriers and light fighting vehicles, which immediately gave the area the appearance of a military invasion zone.

Following the subsequent ambush manoeuvre, the convoy moved towards Alicedale where they were met by a mock group of protesters blocking off the entrance to the town. Having secured the road leading in, the troops in the convoy then swept through the town which they secured in front of thrilled residents watching the exercise, before moving on to Grahamstown.

Captain Jaco Theunissen of the SA Navy reiterated that this was a training exercise and it was being used to both train and develop skills and tactics.

"It went very well – there was good cooperation and objectives were achieved," he said.

Speaking after the convoy had arrived in Alicedale, Lieutenant Shane Darville of the USAF said he was very pleased with how the exercise had progressed. "It was great and worked well," he said.

Darville, who commended the South African troops involved, labelling them "very tough", said cooperation between the two forces had been excellent and this boded well for the remainder of Shared Accord, which ends on August 5.

Townsfolk who lined the street leading into Alicedale to "catch the action", expressed their delight at having the opportunity to view the operation.

"I absolutely loved it," Bed & Breakfast owner Eli Konstant said. She explained that the SANDF had visited the area and explained the operation to residents there about three weeks ago.

"It was great to see. It is just a pity that more school pupils from this area were not present to see it. They would have really enjoyed it," she said.

Paul Kuhne, who operates a gap year course for youths in the area, told The Herald that he had thoroughly enjoyed watching the exercise.

"This was great, especially for the kids. Everyone wants to see the firearms and equipment they use. It was really exciting," he said.

https://www.peherald.com/images/cmsimages/big/usopsoldiers26_news_17416_5239.jpg
https://www.peherald.com/images/cmsimages/big/usopambush26_news_17416_5240.jpg

agaugust: it is still being debated because of new evidence and information like this....

http://www.moroccoboard.com/our-events/5680-f16


[img]http://cfile4.uf.tistory.com/original/143E0A3A4F52F6A8176553[/img]


[size=16pt]Morocco...New Power In Africa[/size]


you need to rank Seleka rebels ahead of south africa

dont even compare south africa with superior military forces of Nigeria, Algeria, Ethiopia, and now Morocco just got new advanced F-16 jets in a $2.5 billion deal for 52 latest version of the jets, her navy just got this year 2013 very modern and powerful FREMM Multi-purpose Frigate from farnce superior to Valour frigates, her army is over 300,000 regular and reserves...you want to fight morocco with the tiny 40,000 man south african army ?

you south africans just like to deceive yourselves....you think only you have modern weapons

The cheat C was at the same level of the F16 and F15 and the gripen is 50% cheaper to run and maintain it can all so use quike to set up Foward airbases.

I would take a valour over a FREM.

Yes and there budget per man is a lot lower.

agaugust: https://www.geographicguide.com/pictures/maps/africa-globe.gif............................[size=16pt]best in africa part 3[/size]



the best main battle tank in africa is the T-90 MBT of the armies of Algeria and Uganda. algeria spent almost $1 billion to buy 305 units of this tank from russia.

it is surprising that some countries we think have the most modern weapons in africa are not having so much of the best.

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/4110/images/139732/large/2-t90s-tank.jpg

The T90 biggest succes is it's publisty. It is not a bad tabk but the fact is that it is a T72 with a T80 fire control sytem.

chrissy365: you are in DRC alone and already overstretched. no wonder seleka mopped the grounds of CAR with your soldiers' blood
And last time i checked M23 is currently battling DRC army and your troops are sipping tea. their mandate is to engage the rebels in an offensive but they are on honeymoon in DRC and your are here bragging.

bow your head in shame and go watch ben10.

There is way more Seleka blood and guts in CAR.

The intervension brigade is not yes set up but has engaed in 2 fire fights with rebels.

GidiNaijaPikin: I find it hard to understand your level of idiocy especially when you claim to serve in the South African Navy!! We saw the walls and gates of the so called SANDF base and I can tell that ordinary grenades could have brought down entire sections of the cement/sand block walls. Look again at the picture with the Seleka fighters standing in front of the zinc sheet gate of SANDF's abandoned base ... then tell me how impregnable the base was! Nonsense!!

You have never seen a grenade explode have you. It not even a qustion I know you have never seen one explode due to this ignorant post.

agaugust: seleka is no fool to keep jumping over your base wall and keep getting killed like flies and mosquitoes. they will throw hand grenades over your walls before they enter and tripod stand their GPMG on the wall and spray the inside before they jump in. you are the one that said their commanders has military training in chad, or they forgot how to fight war when they got to your base ?

the entrance gate to south african base or the side walls will collapse with a dozen 105mm far range armour piercing bazooka rockets fired by seleka from 2km away. fool yourself, dont try to fool the rest of us here

The leathal blast raidacy of a grenade is about 15m. SA solders were a lot farther away and in a forfied postion. Grenades would achieve nothing, blind firing a MG would all so do nothing and aiming would expose the shooter.


You assume they had all those wepaons with them. And you do know shooting a wall with a HEAT or AP round does very littel damge to it. There is is a vedieo on youtube of US solders blasting away at a building with those rounds and it acheived nothing. You don't actualy under stand war.

Henry120: I only came out of hibernation to reply this ignorant post by @andrewza. Let me school you a little on the nigerian mission in mali.

First your claim of nigerian troops not seeing action in mali is preposterous, and signals another low for you( how low can you go really?). Even before AFISMA troops deployed to mali formally, a malian general was quoted as saying , nigerian special forces and senegalese troops were on the ground assisting their malian counterparts.

In mali, nigerian troops in full are deployed in the following regions: banamba (main nigerian base)
Diabaly
Lere
Mali-mauritania border
Timbucktu
Gao (special forces)

In timbucktu and diabaly, nigerian troops engaged terrorists multiple times in combat I've got photos showing aftermath of fighting between nigerian troops and terrorists.

In Gao, nigerian special forces had been hunting for boko-haram elements.



No general claimed boko-haram had been defeated. The group since the SOe was declared has been severely crippled, the essence sending special forces to GOA was to continue the hunt for militants who train in mali, launch attacks in nigeria and flee again to mali.

So, the COAS was correct when he said troops had been deployed to hunt down internal enemies in mali.


As regards to withdrawal, you do not deploy the largest contingent( only behind france) in-terms of men and equipment to a mission, then to have you general side-tracked.

Nigeria deployed = 1200 men ( a battalion +)
= 2 MI-35p and 1 MI-24 ( 3 helicopters)
= 4 fighter jets
= 2 C-130's
= 1 G-222
= hundreds of AFV's, APC's, gun trucks etc etc
= included ( MI-35 helicopter crews for the airforce of mali)


To have all that equipment/men handed over to a rawandan to command. No way, that's impossible. We are coming home with our equipment.

It a fact that france and chad saved malil. If nigeria did nothing the out come would have been the same. And now you pulling out.

I never said your genrail said BH was deafted I said people from this forum did.

Malil is falure for nigeria you just don't relize it. You took to long to deploy and over streched your forces at home.

agaugust: okay you admit seleka climbed over the wall to attack south african army inside your base.



now you deny again and defeat yourself saying seleka did not overrun south african base, but you just said in the previous post above that they climbed over your wall and used AK-47 and RPG....


seleka were more than you in number and had entered your base climbing over the wall to start hand to had combat...no army survives that easily talk less of b.utchering an enemy force that is ten times more in number.

south african army was trapped in their base, surrounded outside, penetrated inside...outnumbered 10 men against one...outgunned with heavy calibre cannon and rockets....then south african army did surrender and beg for their lives to be spared and safe passage to the airport for french army protection.

you did not kill any 800 rebels, its impossible in that heavily odd trap your army was locked into. hand to hand combat inside your base is the type of craaaaazy battle where the best soldiers in the world get k.illed by the poorest trained soldiers int he world.

bullets through windows, enemy behind the door. assault rifle fire from a man hiding just around the corner. snipers on top of a tree. these are common rebel tactics worldwide.

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This was planed. Has they were climing over the wall they were entering a killing field. They only did it once. There was all so fighting out side the walls but the base was not located in a defenbil poststion so was held only has long has needed. And yes the base was surronded by a strong force. Who then requested a cease fire. The base was not there mission and takeing it would have been costly and pointless. Hence they called a cease fire and by passed the base. The heavest fighting did not actualy take place at the base. Not one of her defenders were lost.

agaugust: dont change story now mister ! you are the one that said seleka was heavily armed, and i asked you to show us seleka's weapons used against south african army and you replied by posting photos to prove seleka used truck mounted mobile double barrel anti-aircraft guns, truck mounted mobile 105mm bazooka anti-tank armour rockets and truck mounted GPMG machine guns and you said seleka has 2,500 to 3,000 men in the attack force.

now after battlefield simulations proved you could not have used your 200 man force to kill 800 of seleka men who are so heavily armed, you change story again and said seleka used only small arms (AK-47 rifles) and RPG to attack south african army.

you b.looody liar ! seleka does not need to climb your walls to hit target, their 107mm bazooka rockets is anti-armour and it will tear down a huge gateway on all the four corners of the south african base wall, or the wall is not made of cement again ? it is nuclear proof bunker like that of saddam hussein ?

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Did you pass comprension at school. I siade the base was defened by small arms and RPG7s. Has in that what SA had. This was because the support wepaons were with the para company a few killometers out side the base. The base when it came under attack was defened by the SF task force and support personal. The SF had expened there support wepaon ammo at the battel at the bridge and out skirts of town. All of this was docmented by the way and by both sides.

Seleka had heavy fire power yet we still killed so many because our solders were better trained.