agaugust: outer space satellite GPS tracking of moving objects on earth....flying high speed aeroplane and ocean slow moving ship all tracked in continuos real time video and the changes of its new coordinates or bearings are immediately calculated automatically by satellite computer for constant real time accuracy and shown on the screen lower left corner of this video. s_hame on y_ou @andrewza the village soldier of south africa who denied my true claims, s_hame on all south africans who are so backward in education they now say i was wrong....i proved myself right with this video. nigerian b.rains are superior to south african b.rains
agaugust: nigerian navy has a very good expansion project plan too worth billions of dollars for ships, aircrafts, and 3 submarines, i posted it on page 280.
nigerian has two ATR-42 surveyor aircraft but south africa has zero, nothing near the nigerian modern class of maritime aircraft. so keep quiet.
the nigerian ATR-42 has radar range 330km, so the two are enough to cover all nigerian 800km coast line by radar survey in 6 minutes of flight. so keep your m_outh in a bucket, we dont need your advice, we have far superior MP aircraft.
who told you that nigeria has stopped buying new armoured fighting vehicles ? south africa has orders for more, nigeria also has orders for more IFV and we produce our own IGIRIGI APC domestiaclly. so dont waste time on useless topic.
in the same way, most of the south african navy type of big ships used on your 3,500km coastline of deep waters are not needed for nigeria's 800km coastline with shallow waters and creeks with swamps.
nigerian T-72 BM upgrade is built to k.ill NATO Tanks.
the Tank commander will not be sleeping and watch a Rooikat armed car knocking him out, all are soldiers trained for war.
south african Rooivalk helicopter gunship is not tested in any war, nigerian Hind helicopter gunship is tested in many wars all over the world.
i cant find proof of nigeria haveing the archer(witch the G6 out classes in any case and nigeria have only 25 APR-21s not 200M not to menstion the APR-21 is only a regualer BM21 on a diffrent truck. Somthing our MLRS was built to deaft.
MLRS dont face each other alone, it is armies that fights armies using any knid of weapon each side chooses. in war, nobody will line up one MLRS against another enemy MLRS as if they are kids playing video game.
south africa has only about 43 units of G6 artillery and that is too small so it cannot win a whole war for you. go sit down.
i gave the nigerian archer artillery source weblink. also, not all nigerian weapons can be found in arms sales register, new Type 90 AAA gun is the clear final proof of that, it is in nigerian army armoury in kaduna city and no arms register has it recorded just like the X-38 Stealth Combat Catamaran.
arms sales logs are man made and cannot be perfect , i talk to SIPRI and they agree some late arms are posted very late on log, and no new arms sales enters log until 3rd quarter of the next year.
Sweden's government does not own SIPRI, it is a private research company and arms register. it is NOT sweden's job to publish arms log by itself, it is the job of UN. correct your wrong idea. If Archer has not arrived, it is still on order, and i did NOT even use it in my naval blockade counter attack, so what are you complaining about ?
nigerian APR-21 or APR-40 is in SIPRI log, use your time to check and confirm.
What you post there on 280 is a wish list. No money has been put down. That is the difrence.
Just like NAF has nothing close to SA level of fights, NNlevel of war ships extra extra. I actually posted a comprasin of the 2 not long ago.
You mean that modified steyr. I would not bother bragging about that. Show a modern AFV orderd by nigeria not some simpile garrge APC.
You opend this thead with a diffrent tune. So witch is it.
How do you know what version of T72 nigeria is useing. I would like to see that source. And you the first guy I know to try and cliam the T72 is better than Nato tanks.
Sleeping or awake. It can kill them from 3000m.
And that matters why. I mean it did not win any of those wars. You do know SA has one hind helcopter so we know every detial of it.
By beat I mean out range, have large pay loade and be more mobil. And actually have you never heard of counter battry fire.
SA is a very mobile focused force. The G6 are used by the mech force to exploit weakness. So the numbers are not that bad. Any case how many palmaria do you have. 39 I bielfe.
Your source is not a trust source. I want a credited source. Or a photo like beagel does.
Since when did I say it was swedens job. All I siad is that they would not hide the sale. Yet not one word on it.
Unless they where bought this year nigeria has only 25 of apr 21s.
nigerian army and navy both have a total 40 units of very modern stealth X-38 combat Combat Catamaran high speed fast attack/patrol/assault crafts and first of its type in all Africa, but south africa has none, your T-Craft boats are not stealth, and made of aluminium. nigerian catamaran is made of fibre glass for stealth capability. it is modular built by manufacturer to be well armed with the machine gun or grenade launcher and 8 Hell Fire missiles if needed.
the nigerian boat is about year 2010 technology and far superior to the old south african T-Craft. the nigerian catamarans cannot be found on any arms sales/transfer logs, they were all imported, built in europe and asia. many nigerian weapons have now been proved not recorded in any arms sales register.
what source you useing for the t-craft. Because they wrong.
none the less it still looks like a baby T-craft and i still want to see it with hell fire missiels. Nigeria dose not have any hellfire missiels remember.
agaugust: ordinary Bofors anti-aircraft guns of nigeria will shoot down all the fine looking drones of south africa. drones do NOT win war, ARMY wins war, not even navy of air force, army wins war and occupy land/territory.
that is one of the useless points of a good submarine, it cannot win war for you because it cannot occupy land...or south african submarines have tyres like toyota corolla ?
army is the final judge and key to military power. nigerian army is better than south african army.
Only drones are real small targets and when flying nap of the earth real hard to see.
Germain U-boats all most starved UK of all resources.
agaugust: my brother, you forgot to post data and photo of south african army's 1, 200 units of out-dated 36 year old RATEL Infantry Fighting Vehicle designed in 1968 and produced in 1974, i just want to remind you as a friend
It still better than 90% of the stuff floating around africa inclunding nigeria. Not menstion you shold check what version of the ratelis being used.
Wepaons sytems are not like cars. A 60 year old sytem can still be verry effective to day. So instead of going about the age watch out for what it can do.
agaugust: nigerian 40 units X-38 Combat Catamaran is stealth, and manufactured to carry HELL-FIRE MISSILES OR JUST THE GUNS/GRENADE LAUNCHERS, i have the manufacturers website and full technical details already,so i will post later, only nigeria has it in africa, the south africans are envious, their own T-CRAFT is a pangolo box of metals, our X-38 is not made of metal in large part...its stealthy. i want to neutralize these soweto boys one by one, from today till sunday will be HOT on nairaland.
Gripen Jet Vs Roland SAM, the truth about a so called 'out-dated' air defense system. air to air, air to land, land to air combat is my favourite military topic any time.
i will write things that cannot be learnt except from real soldiers the above type of warfare, with sources to prove. i just want people to gain from it and have the knowledge for themselves.
That thing has not got guns. It has one mointing up front so one gun or maybe 1 twin gun at max. And hellfire? That I want to see.
The T craft is not made of metal.
Give it a break with the roland it is out of date and version nigeria has is even more out of date.
Henry120: You do know, not only SA operates UAV's. We still operate surveillance UAV's both foreign and indigenous with better capabilities than that of SA.
So the simulation can go both ways.
Only Nigeria has no PGMs, long range guided ARTY rounds or any other means to attack the target. So your drones can see but not touch.
Henry120: First 2 paragraphs, I completely dis agree with you, but I'd make no further comments on those for now.
Last paragraph, I also completely dis agree, but I'd add a comment or two or more in fact
SA's military is not better than that of nigeria. not even by a small margin like you claim. Nigeria is ahead, both in weaponry, numbers of weaponry, numbers in troops and also logistics. The army has shown,particularly in this era that despite been well stretched it can absorb pressure and still mobilise enough to man-power, personnel and logistics were ever needed.
In other words, economists would say, the nigerian military has passed her "stress test".
The malian example, best buttresses this point.
Despite having large numbers of troops deployed to various hot spots in west and central africa Sudan Guinea Liberia Sirrea-leone Ivory coast And internal security duties
We still contributed 1200 troops with their equipments & logistics , 3 attack helicopters, 3 transport planes and 4 fighter jets to mali.
Let me reiterate only in the areas of fighter jets and submarines, is the SA military ahead of nigeria.
The only thing nigeria has is numbers in terms of quality SA is better than nigeria anything good in Nigeria such has the BTR3 are in to small numbers. you had such a major logistical problem in Sudan your soldiers there threatened to go on a rampage. SANDF has more APC, IFV, Transport helicopters, extra than nigeria yet our military is a fraction of the size.
How long did it take nigeria to deploy from the agreement date, nigeria took so long france was forced to step in, actually Chad was on the front lines before nigeria. So i would not be proud of it.
Henry120: I'd like to correct an impression,@ andrewza. it is foolish to think that information on the nigerian military can be gotten on the web by just looking through janes defence or SIPRI or IISS registers. Nope, you are dead wrong.
Whatever is discussed here on this page or anywhere else online, only accounts for 35-40% of the entire nigerian military hardware.
You continue to hold on to that illusion that, any information on th nigerian military can readily be seen on janes or SIPRI. Well goodluck with that.
Let me sight an example, the late nigerian leader president yaradua (RIP), had in 2008-09 signed a defence contract with the french leader( sarkozy), for the delivery of ASS fennec helicopters for the navy.
Another I pasted photos of NN sbs personnel trainings and in 4 of those photos a navy bell helicopter was seen, with a serial number of (10) on the helo.
Go look for these in sipri or janes
Now, we as nigerians on this thread are living under no illusion that our military is the largest in africa, our main fighter jet is a 3 Gen. Interceptor. However we know for a fact that the south African military is by no means better than ours.
The only area(s) the south african military has an advantage over nigeria is 1, gripen jets and 2, submarines.
If you continue to hold on to your beliefs that janes or SIPRI holds the answers to the nigerian military, As we say in nigeria "na you sabi".
even worse is to assume wikipedia or any other unaccredited site to somehow know this information. Just like there are weapons and systems in SA that no information is made readily available. However only a fool would imagine Sweden not registering any weapons exports. It is more controlled than the SA exports.
if they bought at civilian spec they will not get registered. How ever i did not doubt the information that beagle posts with pics. So go find a archer there, or 1200 arty guns or 200BM21s extra extra. Those are not small numbers and are large by international standard. Yet no other than a few internet solders can see them.
we better and just by a small margin. Nigeria is not even in the same level has the SANDF.
i am still waiting for you @andrewza to post details of all weapons on board nigerian navy's 2 new stealth guided missile warships coming from china next year, with weblink source to prove your claim. if you dont do it, y_ou are a d_isgrace to south african nation,
i am also waiting for all south africans on this forum to join all y_our t_iny b_rains together with y_our military generals, admirals, and air marshals to use 3 Gripen jet aircraft to d_estroy 3 nigerian Roland SAM air defense in real battle field simulation of a real war/combat, you a_ttack, i d_efend. if y_ou p_eople dont answer this challenge, then all south africans are forever S_laves of Seleka Rebels in CAR
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why don't you since you assume they going to carry missiles, you must have the inside information. How ever nigeria is buying OPVs not frigates or corvettes.
fly, target over the horine out of the ranger of the roland. Drop PGMs. easy as pie.
agaugust:@andrewza, i gave you one of the biggest shocks of y_our life in that naval blockade counter attack. you said nigeria will attack the south african warships with NNS ARADU, NNS THUNDER, Alpha Jets and F-7 Jets. unfortunately for y_ou, i counter attacked using nigerian army artillery, not the nigerian navy and airforce you expected
i have said that you south african military lose war/battle because you only think of what you want to do to your enemy, you never think of different things your enemy will do to you in retaliation. that is why seleka rebels d_isgraced the fine boys and fine weapons of south african army in CAR.
if you will humble yourself, i have spent 2 hours of my precious time at night after office work to write some very useful combat knowledge for you below. if you are humble, you will gain from it for your own good. thanks
are you d_eaf and d_umb ? i did not use 100% of nigeria's artillery, i used only 675 out of about 1,300 and that is just about 50% only. are you so d_umb you cannot do simple mathematics, count the artillery section on wikipedia or army recognition. even if i use 25% nigerian army will still bombard south african navy's unlucky blockade warships with 2,000 shells in one minute and your ships wont even have time to move away, they will all be sunk to sea bottom. stop making childish assumptions or i will stop wasting my time to reply you.
Nigeria dose not have the archer, nor any GPS guided 155mm rounds though it not like they any use against a moveing target.
you CANNOT find all nigerian military weapons on internet or arms transfer logs, UN, IISS, SIPRI etc. did you see the Type 90 anti-aircraft guns or stealth X-38 combat catamaran in any log? if i tell you nigeria has a new air defence weapon not written in any arms sales records will you believe me ? you believed because i posted photos of Type 90 from Beegeagle website, what if he did not post the photos, does it mean nigeria does not have that air defence weapons ?
try and use your b.rain, i dont think you are too old and grey haired. use your common sense, everybody has been telling you here on nairaland that you cannot find all nigerian weapons on any internet source of published media. i just proved it with the Type 90 and X-38 weapons, and there are many more that even i will never know until war comes and nigeria begins to bring out deadly weapons that no public knows about except the manufacture.
48 Bofors Archer mobile artillery is on the list of weapons nigeria has ordered or received, see weblink below you F00L, i posted it many times on this forum, do i have to repeat it again ?
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"Between 2001 and 2008, the Nigerian Armed Forces entered into contractual agreements and/or taken delivery of the following:
18 additional units of Oto Melara 105 mm howitzers 23 additional units of Palmaria 155mm self-propelled howitzers 48 units of BOFORS Archer 155 mm gun-howitzers"
The data from the saterlight will have to be relayed and so will not be real time. Never mind cloude cover or tecgnal break down.
did you watch world cup 2006 live matches played in Germany on television in south africa ? if a player scores a goal in germany, how many hours does it take you to see that same goal on TV in a live televised match ? do you want to take the world's scientific progress back to stone age ?
satellites get images real time, that is why they are used to watch tornado/hurricane storms and exact precise movement and timing reports are transmitted immediately to earth meteriological/weather stations. satellites monitor road traffic and report real time to city traffic controls about traffic jam streets.
now come my small boy, time for classroom teaching again, welcome my dear student, sit down and learn from your teacher :
satellite is not sending south african ships photographs to nigerian army artillery, it is sending GPS position that get picked afresh every time the ship moves and it is communicated by phone or radio to artillery commanders from the nigerian satellite control rooms on earth.
that GPS coordiante is the same one that land surveyors use to pin pont accurately a single small house on earth....it look like this....N45.036701 W73.155082, it never misses target, very accurate to reveal position of ground and people called professional land surveyors all over the world use it. GPS means Global Positioning System, it targets and reveals your exact position anywhere in the world even if you are just 6 feet length and breath.
now my boy, the two secret of artillery guns targeting are called AZIMUTH, or the other one BEARINGS. these are mathematical/geometrical/physics/projectiles calculations using the GPS numbers to calculate how far the target is from the artillery guns and the angles of elevaton/depression/rotation of the guns and it is done by analog calculation in 5 minutes or digital calculations by artillery FDC unit.
nigerian artillery fire will be so much and so well spread around like a spiders web that south african warships wont have any time to move out of it, and in case the slow ships move , the satellite generates a new coordinate immediately and send the message to earth in seconds and the ATR-42 surveyor aircraft surveys the ships moving from the air and re-ddirects artillery fire according to the ships movement, it is a very d_eadly trap that only God in heaven can save the south african warships, they sailed into a trap well feared in all war history...the artillery massive web of raining shells in rapid fire mode.
so my small boy, the nigerian satellite is not sending your ships photos, also the ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft will do the same mapping job, any of the two systems will send your exact coordiantes or call it geographical bearings to our ground forces and south african warships become breakfast and barbecue for nigerian artillery, sorry we have to sink the ships
Nigeria is get 2 opvs from china. Nothing more. You not get any frigats or any thing like that. Just more opvs.
now write a list of the weapons that will be on the nigerian navy new stealth type 056 warship with your own source...i really want you to d_isgrace yourself with your own hands today. write the weapons list on the ship with source to prove your claim
All so how did you gett 800 arty guns for nigeria. I count around of them over 300 are mortas.
ask your son to help you with mathematics, since you cannot add numbers by yourself. i cannot be teaching you every thing in the world. i just spent my time to teach you artillery azimuth/bearing basics and you never say thank you for any new things i teach you on this forum, you south africans are so ungrateful people.
You are a master of missinfomastion. So either you enjoy twisting the truth. Or you don't know it.
almost everytime your posts have NO weblink source but my own posts are full of good technical sources. who is telling the truth or just telling his own dreams ? the readers will judge us.
i just proved with this post that you are the one that mis-informs people here and that you dont know how field artillery operates. thats why i siezed y_our navy uniform and i hanged it on a mango tree until further notice
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Please don't kid your self. You only making your self look like a fool.
I never even spoke about nigeria. I just said SA would never send all 4 frigats.
And you expext me to beilfe sweeden does under cover deals with a country who's nilltary has been knowen to kill civlians? Non of those 2 sites give a source of a acredite site or persone for there numbers. So I bielfe them has much has I bielfe you. And that cattermrain is not even worth of menstion, it probally part of (a large number of boats). I am willing to beilfe nigeria bought the 35mm aa gun for now. Beegal is not a source. It just a blog that is it. And no true source indecats that nigeria has received any archers 155mms. You tell us you work in deffense industry, so use your company janes subscriptsion.
Let's me go in depth. Saterlight finds a frigat, beams that signal to the control stastion, the exact locastion and bearing is found, infomastion sent by radio to all the comanders, who inform all the guns. By this time we alterd course and the infomastion is old.
Please don't give me a internet lecture on GPS to some one that works on a naval veasel. GPS can not work on a moveing target.
The only way your MPA could inform the guns is via radio. Well well in the range of the frigats EW sytems. And it is bascaly going to alert the ship that there locastion is knowen. So sail deep until it runs out of fuel. You only have 2 of them.
And nigeria is buying the opv version.
How about useing the sources those 2 unacredited websites used.
sorry sir, i am NOT impressed by south african military arsenal too, you have too many old weapons and i proved that already and @andrewza agreed with me.
both nigeria and south africa have old and modern weapons mixed in their inventory, you are NOT better than us. period. here is comparison below to show where nigeria has modern weapons and south african weapons in the same function are old.
(1.) south african 50 year old Dakota maritime aircraft vs nigerian world class super modern ATR-42 surveyor maritime aircraft
(2.) south african 35 years old Ratel armoured vehicle vs nigerian world class super modern BTR-3U and Cobra and VBL armoured fighting vehicle
(3.) south african 30 year old navy Gunboats/IPV vs nigerian navy world class super modern 40 units of stealth eagle and X-38 combat catamarans, 9 shaldags, 16 mantas, 15 defenders fast attack boats etc
(4.) south african 30 year old GV5 artillery vs nigerian super modern world class M-56 yugoslav artillery
(5.) south african 30 year old GDF 35mm anti-aircraft guns vs nigerian brand new world class super modern Type 90 35mm anti-aircraft guns
nigerian upgraded army tanks match south african tanks. helicopter gunships nigeria has more, artillery nigeria has much more artillery howitzers including the modern swedish made first class artillery and 200 latest modern yugoslav artillery.....so how is south africa better ? it is a only dream in the minds of people, it is NOT real.
if any military officer is not impressed by nigerian modern weapons, his young w.idow w.ife will be very impressed at his g.rave side after the nigerian weapons sends her soldier h.usband to his early g.rave when his c.offin/c.asket is lowered in the cemetary.
see comparison photos in next post below :
@Agaugust
it looks like a smaller verson of the T-Craft in SAN, only a foward mand mg, instead of a more center remout MG. so it is not first in africa of it,s class.
project suacepan is a full funded plan to replace the turbo dake. none the nigeria has only 2 ATR-42
only sa is building the badger even so lets look at numbers again. 47 BTR3Us vs 600 in servis rattels 600 rattels in resserv and soon to be 250 badgers
you comparing appels to oranges. Any case project biro will see SA build a number of new ships for SAN. most of the nigerian boats you menstioned are not needed for SAN
you do know thhey both the same guns. only thanks to ZA-link our guns will respond faster.
the olphant was built to kill the T72. The rooikat armed car can knock 2/3 of of tanks at 3000m
i have spoken to people who have flowen the hind, super hind and rooifalk. the rooifalk is the better of the 3
i cant find proof of nigeria haveing the archer(witch the G6 out classes in any case and nigeria have only 25 APR-21s not 200M not to menstion the APR-21 is only a regualer BM21 on a diffrent truck. Somthing our MLRS was built to deaft.
agaugust: i posted that fact from free wikipedia history twice before to educate you better. Harrier jet is not a slow jet fighter its maximum speed is 1,083km/hr and that is too fast for launching air to ground attack against a small targets like an armoured vehicles. one Roland SAM fired 8 missiles and 3 hit target shooting down two 1,000 pound bombs in the sky and the Harrier jet that dropped the bombs in falklands war, google search is free.
i have put you in my teaching classroom again today, say thank you my boy
south african air force does NOT have the capability to do high altitude air to ground attacks on nigerian army air defences, only the great powers of the world have that long range high altitude stand off weapons capability like america, russia, china, india, britain, france, germany and a few other european/asian powers. no country in africa from cape town to cairo has that special capability, you will all have to fly jets at low altitude to attack nigerian army effectively or else you waste your bombs by dropping them on a cassava farm !
the A-Darter missile you mentioned is not in service as at today in south africa, it is still in developmental stage, i just posted the weblink source on page 299, or are you in a beer party intoxicated ?
show us web link source proof of south africa's long range stand off surface to air missile that can be launched by Grippen jet against nigerian Roland SAM. south africa does NOT have any such missile as at today so it CANNOT hit the Roland without coming close to it and expose itself to d.eadly Roland fire-power. you failed again sir
The harrier is slow and has poor manvbielty. That a fact.
All most a 3 to one missel needed to destroy a slow moving poor(or non in the case of the misseil) marvrbil target fly low. Yet you still brag about the roland.
That show you know nothing. Denel has been making stand off wepaons since the 1980s. We have menstioned them before. Do you have memory problems.
The paveway 3 is in servis on the gripens. And denels could easly intrgatre the other wepaons if the need arrises. Or we could just use the cheeta that SAAF fly for denel. All the wepaons at denels get test by them.
SOUTH AFRICAN NAVY'S BLOCKADE FAILS....AND NIGERIAN MILITARY WINS
only a F00L will go to war and assume that his enemy is not 100% ready. i did not even use all nigerian artillery, i reserved over 200 artillery guns including all 100 longest range self propelled artillery that shoot up to 40km range into the far ocean area HEAT shells and 60km EXCALIBUR shells, open your eyes and read my post again.
even if you stay 50km away from nigerian coast you are still be hit by 50 powerful archer modern self propelled artillery in rapid fire mode.
the more you stay far away the more your naval blockade becomes a comedy drama, ordinary pirates will sail through the gaps, you want to use 3 warships to police nigerias 800km coastline and stay 50km away in deep ocean. do you know mathematics ? that is 40,000 sq km inner shore and EEZ of 300,000 sq km you want to police with only 3 ships ? you drink beer this morning sir ? nigerian navy uses over 300 warships/fast patrol boats to police our waters and yet some pirates sail through the gaps sometimes. you want to use 3 warships to do the work of 300 warships/fast patrol boats ? did you pass exam in military academy or they just recruited you because south africa has serious manpower shortages ?
did you forget that nigeria has more gas than oil ? and the west african gas pipeline for export is on land not ocean, and it exports gas from nigeria to ghana and off to europe every day. also because your 3 warships are too few for and too far away from shallow coast waters of 40,000 sqkm, many nigerian flat bottom oil transport barges will easily sail through the wide gaps along shallow coasts and creeks waters and and we export crude oil to french giant ocean tankers in the seaports of benin republic and cameroon, especially our nigerian/french total fina elf oil company.
you cannot stop nigeria's oil/gas money from coming in. nigeria has $50 Billion cash reserve we dont even need to spend, no bankruptcy. please dont get intoxicated with alcohol sir.
are you b.lind to read ? i said no radar is used by satellite or i need to write dutch/afrikaans languages for you ?
show me proof of your bogus lie claimed above of 40km. umkhonto MK2 missile range is 15km maximum as at today. stop telling lies.
your geography/economics knowledge is weak, a lot of imports to nigeria today come through the sea port in Benin republic from cotonou to lagos by land. sorry you failed again.
you mean giant nigeria has no 800 lorries/trucks, no 800 x 5 soldiers, no food for the soldiers, no logistics to operate inside home country....while you claim south african navy can operate 5,000km away from its own home....are you in your office or in a beer drink bar already drunk ? how do 150 million nigerians movey heavy goods and heavy industrial equipment around in nigeria ?
you illiterate man modern satellite information is real time since year 1977, it tracks storms and gives advance and current weather information and ground movements including road traffic. did you go to school in a bush or village farm ? all the satellite will do is pick south african warships GSP coordiante position and the ships become an easy target for artilley guns who will do firing calculations by geometric azimuth or bearings or computer aided FDC to rain shells on them like thunder.
south african valour frigate has no missiles to shoot down aircraft 30km away. i posted proof above. also south africa has no long range cruise missiles. post a source and prove it...there is none...dont waste your time, i researched all your weapons very well
read my post again, i rendered your submarine useless and it will quickly run out of fuel/diesel trying to move around nigeria's 40,000 sqkm inner coastal waters, nigeria's EEZ waters is even bigger at over 300,000 sq km size. i said this before that nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor is a modular aircraft technically the same as ATR-72 ASW, we just import the anti-submarine sonar, torpedoes and few extra hardware, then we hunt and d.estroy your submarine after we sink the valour frigates with nigerian army artillery and there is no more anti-aircraft threat.
stop wasting my time, i wont reply you again after i already sank all south african warships to sea bottom, please stop writing F00LISH military ideas like a street police man or border immigration officer.
you should be ashamed to even reply me, i used only nigerian army to defeat you, i did not use any of nigerian navy's 4 brand new stealth guided missile warships coming from china and india next year 2014 i posted on top this page, how will your ships play with those our new ships ? you think it is a christmas party ? your naval blockade is a big joke for a comedy TV show.
when you lose an argument, try be honest and mature enough to admit defeat.
goodbye sir....your navy uniform remains hanging on a mango tree.
satellite will find warships and see them as they move around on the sea, satellites are active 24 hours every day of the year.
see real time satellite view of warships from outer space, accurate and perfect, and the GPS coordinate locations is perfectly tracked by satellite to know their exact sea location.
I will keep it shortter this time. Don't want to be banded again.
This shows poor knowlge. Of the force the us sent to iraq more where out of servise due to maintaince than enemy fire. No milltary force is ever 100%. It has never happended.
Nigeria dose not have the archer, nor any GPS guided 155mm rounds though it not like they any use against a moveing target.
The blokade dose not need to be 100% succsefull in stopeing all trade. But since most trade is still done by sea and nigeria has some of the largets ports in west arfrica. Any thing that affects them will be bad for nigeria. You all so fail to underestermait just how much crude and natrul gase moves out of nigeria by sea. And no over land pipe line nigeria has can compensate.
The data from the saterlight will have to be relayed and so will not be real time. Never mind cloude cover or tecgnal break down.
Nigeria is get 2 opvs from china. Nothing more. You not get any frigats or any thing like that. Just more opvs.
All so how did you gett 800 arty guns for nigeria. I count around of them over 300 are mortas.
You are a master of missinfomastion. So either you enjoy twisting the truth. Or you don't know it.
agaugust: only a F00L will go to war and assume that his enemy is not 100% ready. i did not even use all nigerian artillery, i reserved over 200 artillery guns including all 100 longest range self propelled artillery that shoot up to 40km HEAT and 60km excalibur, open your eyes and read my post again.
even if you stay 50km away from nigerian coast you are still be hit by 50 powerful archer modern self propelled artillery in rapid fire mode.
the more you stay far away the more your naval blockade becomes a comedy drama, ordinary pirates will sail through the gaps, you want to use 3 warships to police nigerias 800km coastline and stay 50km away in deep ocean. do you know mathematics ? that is 40,000 sqkm you want to police with only 3 ships ? you drink beer this morning sir ? nigerain navy uses over 300 warships/fast patrol boats to police our waters and yet some pirates sail through the gaps sometimes. you want to use 3 warships to do the work of 300 warships/fast patrol boats ? did you pass exam in military academy or they just recruited you because south africa has serious manpower shortages ?
did you forget that nigeria has more gas than oil ? and the west african gas pipeline for export is on land not ocean, and it exports gas from nigeria to ghana and off to europe every day. you cannot stop nigeria's money from coming in , no bankruptcy. please dont get intoxicated with alcohol sir.
are you b.lind to read ? i said no radar is used by satellite or i need to write dutch/afrikaans languages for you ?
All so only the no longer in producstion MK1 has a 15km range. The longest ranged umkhonto is 40km. Only need 1 or 2 proto types. And then once you found us. What you going to do. Take pictures.
show me proof of your bogus claim above. umkhonto MK2 missile range is 15km maximum as at today. stop telling lies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_(missile)
your geography/economics knowledge is weak, a lot of imports to nigeria today come through the sea port in Benin republic from cotonou to lagos by land. sorry you failed again.
you mean giant nigeria has no 800 lorries/trucks, no 800 x 5 soldiers, no food for the soldiers, no logistics to operate inside home country....while south african navy is operating 5,000km away from home....are you in your office or in a beer drink bar over drunk ?
you illiterate man modern satellite information is real time since year 1977, it tracks storms and gives advance and current weather information and ground movements including road traffic. did you go to school in a bush or village farm ? all the satellite will do is pick south african warships GSP coordiante position and the ships become an easy target for artilley guns who will do firing calculations by geometric azimuth or bearings or computer aided FDC to rain shells on them like thunder.
south african valour frigate has no missiles to shoot down aircraft 30km away. i posted proof above. also south africa has no long range cruise missiles. post a source and prove it...there is none...dont waste you time, i researched all you weapons very well
read my post again, i rendered your submarine useless and it will quickly run out of fuel/diesel trying to move around nigeria's 20,000 sqkm continental shelf waters. i said this before that nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor is a modular aircraft technically the same as ATR-72 ASW, we just import the anti-submarine sonar, torpedoes and few extra hardware, then we hunt and d.estroy your submarine after we sink the valour frigates with nigerian army artillery and there is no more anti-aircraft threat.
stop wasting my time, i wont reply you again after i already sank all south african warships to sea bottom, please stop writing F00LISH military ideas like a street police man or border immigration officer.
you should be ashamed to even reply me, i used only nigerian army to defeat you, i did not use any of nigerian navy's 4 brand new stealth guided missile warships coming from china and india next year 2014, how will your ships play with those our new ships ? you think it is a christmas party ? your naval blockade is a big joke for a comedy TV show.
goodbye sir....your navy uniform remains hanging on a mango tree
see another photo of satellite targeting warships below, it will see them as they move around on the sea, satellites are active 24 hours every day of the year.
see real time satellite image of warships from outer space, accurate and perfect, and the GPS coordinate locations is perfectly tracked by satellite to know their exact sea location.
I am pointing out that no country will send in 100% of there forcethe max numbers of valours would be 3. But 2 will do.
Since when has nigeria used the archer, since when has nigeria used exalber rounds, since when has a GPS guied any thing been used on a moveing target.
A tanker is not a skiff. I don't care about the small boats. Only the big easy to find. Has I said it does not need to be 100% sucsfull
And the point is? Has I siad 100% sucses is not need. Only need to weaken the econmy. And those pipe lines have a set max capacity.
Saterlight I will cover latter. The only diffrence bettwen the first onse built and the onse we got from working in finland was tweaking the software. Not the hardware.
The most used ports in the region are in nigeria. Somthing you should have knowen.
Ships don't have to worry about cloging up roads. Use only a few bridges, resting crew, refueling (that why draknsberg is there) extra extra. Get enough vechiels is not the problem. Sonthing you fial to understand.
Ok let me explian to you how you know nothing. The saterlight will be in orbit looking for the ship. Once it finds it that infomastion gets set to the ground stastion. Now since nigeria dose not have a data link a lot of radio communcastion will take place. By the time the guns have a place to fire blind the infomastion will be old. You don't know much do you. Not to menstion your entier premiss is to blind fire on a GPS locastion. Not to menstion we can sit beyond the rang of the guns in the first place. You all so reyling to much on luck. Cloud cover comes in your plan fials.
agaugust: you showed me nothing, and all you coward south african soldiers on this forum run away from my challenge to simulate Gripen vs Roland...you know i will hang your boxer shorts on mango tree with that one, after hanging your navy uniform on mango tree from naval blockade failure.
[size=16pt] all cowards from sons of south africa, is there no one of you to accept my new challenge ? Gripen Jet vs Roland SAM battle field simulation, or the whole of south africa is born to be cowards in war ? [/size]
What do you many. I told you. Ignore and fly over it. Then use presion, stand off wepaons on either the roland or the target. I mean how many misseils did the roland fire to it 1 harrier. A subsomic poor manvarbly jet fighter.
There is no need for SAAF to fly low and there for in the threat area of the roland.
But you are fool and don't under stand that.
Not to menstion both Adarter and ISRT can shoot down the roland misseil. And SAAF has a number of EW suits to protect them. All in all the roland is zero threat to us.
agaugust: thats how i defeated @andrewza in naval blockade war simultaion, i know from internet search that south african valour frigates have anti-aircraft umkhonto missiles with MK 1 range 12km, MK 2 range 15km, the R version is not yet developed and plan is 25km range, so i flew nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft at 30km away from nigerian coast to spy on your navy ships and direct coastal artillery fire and sank all your nice looking navy to sea bottom.
here are the A Darter missile details i need in time of war, even much more information than what your enemy needs to defeat you. free internet google information...
its very hard to put my back on the floor, you only embarrass your.self in the process, sorry you lost as usual
you just made a F00L of yourself again today, i give you 3 sources...the missile range is 20km, infra red guidance system...read more
[size=16pt]corrupt south african politicians were bribed $3.6 million to buy Gripen Jets[/size]
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa - South African police have reopened their investigation into a controversial arms deal after Swedish defense group Saab admitted bribes were paid to clinch a contract, according to a July 31 report.
Officials will approach authorities in Sweden and Britain to find out what their investigations have uncovered about allegations of corruption in the 1999 deal for 26 JAS Gripen fighter jets, South Africa's Sunday Times reported.
Saab last month admitted that 24 million rand ($3.6 million, 2.5 million euros) in bribes had been paid to secure the deal, but blamed its former British partner BAE Systems for making the payoffs.
bribe can be paid to families of dead south african soldiers k.illed by seleka, to make the families shut up. south africa is a corrupt country taking bribes from sweden too
And what where the other options for the SA Fighter. Local cheeta was good but the gripen is better. everything else cost more.
Brib a person to hide there grief. Are you on drugs. It only takes one person in the family to have integrity not to mention there are hundreds of people in the know. Will all of them be bribed what about the almost 300 solders in CAR, the air crew, the ground staff at the SAAF base where they unloaded. Reporting it will not cost you your job. So where they all bribed. I now doubt if you even a accountant.
agaugust: its a bad world of inequalities among people. some dead south soldiers may have no family, some orphans, some with illiterate parents, some families can be bribed with money to keep quiet in national interest, politicians can do anything when they are desperate and still on the throne of power. if you dont want us to believe that over 50 south african soldiers were k.illed by Seleka rebels, why should we believe that south african army k.illed 800 seleka rebels....simple logic, common sense.
so then we can assume that both sides lost equal numbers of men just for assumption sake to solve this dispute, then who won the battle ? the side that remains on ground to control the battle field after fight ended, seleka rebels won the battle.
so who lost the battle ? the side that ran away from the battle field to the airport to beg for france's army protection is the loser, south african army lost the battle in disgrace from farmer rebels.
What are you on about. Only 2 sources claim a higher SA death toll. Seleka and 1 french reporter. Niether can prove there claims and SA has out right disproven. On the other hand seleka them self do not denia there heavy losses.
SA mission was to protect the training team. Non of the trainers are dead. It was never a opstion to protected the entire town. At least not alone.
CAMEROONPRIDE: I'm very disappointed by our so called military experts, can you experts go deeper in the explanation of what is a war? Shouldn't you do that instead of throwing tantrums?
Can. War turn into a genocide? Can a genocide become a war or maybe should I ask is a genocide. War? Mind you I know the definition of genocide..but I'm confused do we still keep calling a conflict a genocide when the pseudo victims retaliate by killing the others merciless.
I have more concerned on civil war social unrest rebellion etc ..for example Syria and Libya those are wars/civil war/rebellions or riots
Yes it can but genocide is not war. The one can hapen with out the other.
NaijaPikinGidi: Mr. FighterPilot, I know first hand and from reliable sources what has transpired. I am restrained ... but then you can take to heart whatever makes you happy.
Please give your source. Because the fact remains just over 200 SA solders held there base against the full might of seleka. Killing hundreds of enemy.
The claim seleka was poorly armend is all so wrong. They out gunded the SA forces there. They had 120mm motars, 23mm auto canons,30mm AGLs proper camo and uniform, techncals extra extra. SA had 4 12.7mm 4 86mm motars a few 107mm MlRS and to littel ammo.
agaugust: many sources quote 6, now you quote 8 Grippen pilots. lets just assume you are correct, what is the big difference between 6 and 8 ? i just decide not to remind you that nobody has ever seen more than 6 south african grippen jets fly together at one time. also dont confuse pilots trained to fly Grippen into the air and land it in peace, and pilots qualified to fly Grippen jets into air for combat missions and land it in war, by Grippen manufacturers specified standards.
your hawk jets too you have only 13 pilots. south african air force has bad shortage of combat pilots. did you go to school ? if you score 8 out of 26 in an exam did you pass or fail ? if south african air force has 26 Grippen jets and only 8 pilots to fly them, did your country pass or fail ?
south african military is a bulldog with all its teeth fallen out except only 8 teeth remaining to try and bite.
If you could read you would see it was only one souce that asked the wrong qustion. The qustion was how many qulfied pilots where in 2 squdron. The anserw was 6. The qustion was not how many gripen aircrews are there in the SAAF. How many trainy pilots are in 2 squdron extra extra.
you want me to counter your views ? okay here it is below.
...but it sank all your navy ships to sea bottom
the less number of valour ships you bring to nigerian coastline of 800km, the less effective your naval blockades, even ordinary pirates will sail ships through the porous leaking gaps on wide sea between your few scanty warships that can only be in one place at a time and travel slower than a running horse/animal.
also the fewer valour warships south africa brings, the more artillery shells ratio will be showered like rain of fire on each of your warships and the quicker it will sink. and when they sink, nigeria will release its world class 300 navy gun boats/fast attack crafts to send all the surviving south african sailors who abandon-ship in floating life jackets on water surface or tiny dinghy boats to meet their creator above in heaven...or hell
the extra anti-aircraft missiles umkhonto you load on south african valour frigate is useless because i did not fly any nigerian jet fighter aircraft to attack your ships, i am not a FOOL, i have good combact tactics training in my office. i used only nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyors maritime patrol aircraft to fly safely 30km away out of range of south african navy anti-aircraft umkhonto missiles with only 15km missile range. ATR-42 surveyor aircraft can do its job 330km away from enemy forces, safe out of reach.
i dont even need to use ATR-42 surveyor, the nigerian satellites are enough to locate, track, target, report GPS coordinate positions of south african valour warships, then direct and constantly re-direct nigerian army artillery fire-power to sink all south african navy down to sea bottom.
nigeria has more gas than oil, you dont know. also i said the west african gas pipeline runs from nigeria to ghana on land and we continue to export safely and make money as usual. also a trans-sahara oil pipeline is in project stage to run from nigeria to algeria for europe and american export customers. we will shut down off-shore platforms and use the crude oil export barges that pirates use along the shallow coastline of nigeria and export crude oil through west african coast, cameroon and benin are just few kilometers away from nigerian borders and once the barge sails there protected behind the decoy shield of extra empty barges, the barges are in another country's territorial waters goint to francophone Total/Elf oil and gas ships. nigeria continues to export crude oil easily.
we can also let south africa attack the off shore oil facilities which are property of american, british, french, chinese, and italian companies exxon-mobil, shell, agip, total/elf, etc, just K.ill these w.hite m.en and you F00LISHLY drag the worlds biggest super powers to attack your south african navy ships and submarines....same mistake of Japan in war history 1941 pearl harbour attack on america which dragged america to join world war II in anger and the americans dropped two atomic bombs on Japan as a reward of F00LISH war strategy of Japan.
dont be FOOLISH to say nigeria has no logistics to move about 800 artillery guns to the coast, they are already there in large numbers in the many nigerian army artillery barracks along the coastal states in lagos, ogun, ondo, edo, delta, rivers, akwa ibom, and cross river states. the 100 archer and palmaria artillery are self propelled artillery and they move by themsleves like a car or lorry, the engine only needs petrol/diesel. the other towed artillery needs only a small lorry to tow them around and there are thosuands of lorries and trucks or trailers in nigeria, and the army has its own huge fleet of 4x4 and 6x6 towing trucks in our army logistics commands.
also dont be a FOOL to say nigerian towed artillery may not be working, why not ? towed artillery has no real engine like a ship or even a car, all it needs is just oil and grease and it will work perfectly as it is just a mechanical piece of parts fitted together and very cheap to maintain.
rather it is south africa that will have a major trouble of logistics by sailing warships and submarines for a journey about 5,000km from south africa to nigeria, and we know your country cannot afford to maintain its Grippen jets to fly, 12 out of 26 jets in long term cold storage and only 8 pilots maximum available to fly them in the whole south african air force.
south africa is the one that will have serious logistics difficulty doing a naval blockade 5,000km away in nigerian waters.
no radar needed by nigeria, i am not using any nigerian warship and artilley guns use no radar and far away on land beyond range of south african total 4 pieces of 76mm guns with short range of maximum 16km and only effective up to 8km. nigerian satellite uses no radar and is far away in outer space beyond enemy reach and ATR-42 uses electro optical, electromagnetic, long range television video camera image relay systems, and all weather electronic mapping devices to track but uses no radar for this particular mission even though it has a powerful 330km radar range. nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor is one of the most modern in the whole world and it is a master ocean surveyor in action, and it is safe 30km away out of range of 15km south africa anti-aircraft missiles.
south african submarine will just roam about nigerian waters wasting its time and running out of fuel/diesel, i did not sail any nigerian warchip for the submarine to see and torpedoe, all nigerian navy ships are removed safe to inside the port/dockyard/dry dock/shallow inland rivers/water creeks where the submarine cannot submerge safely below water level or else it will run aground and get damaged and trapped in the water bed for ever unable so sail back home.
from my answer above, we dont need ASW weapon, but if we want to use it, ATR-42 Surveyor is a modular aircraft technically the same as ATR-72 ASW, we just import the anti-submarine sonar, torpedoes and few extra hardware, then we hunt and d.estroy your submarine after we sink the valour frigates with nigerian army artillery and there is no more anti-aircraft threat.
i just stopped the naval blockade above. Gas and Oil exports continued above as i explained.
i dont need to try again sir....i already ended your military career.
CONCLUSION :
I did not reply your counter-counter attack that day on page 236 because your response was a F00LISH military error that will disgrace the whole south african navy, and i have a habit of not saying everything i know at once, i save some information for later use.
i started my simulation by refusing to use nigeria's new anti-submarine weapons on order from france or to add ASW hardware to ATR-42 surveyor, i did not use the 100 mobile long range artillery and the 4 new stealth warships nigeria is awaiting from china and india, and yet nigeria still wins the battle. imagine what nigeria will do to south africa if we deploy our full military might against you. all the combined admirals in your south african navy cannot break through that nigerian coastal defense, they will all be sunk to sea bottom in 5 minutes, and south africa will have no navy anymore, your navy becomes history.
see the photo i posted here, of a ship tracked and located by a satellite from outer space, NO RADAR IS NEEDED, its a good way to d.estroy a stealth warship instead of using imperfect radar. good night @andrewza, remember to hang your south african navy uniform on a mango tree.
Even during WW2 navies could not get 100% readness. All so a blokade takes time. Send in all 4 and the after a about 6 months who is going to replace them.
You assume we would operate close to the coast. Why would we do that.
A skiff may get past but then what. All those massive tanker and cargo ships will still be strandard. We have no need to stop every singil ship. Just deprive the nigerian econmy to give a card in forceing what ever our point was.
How will they find any thing. They turn on there radar we jam it. They may stumbel in to range.
All so only the no longer in producstion MK1 has a 15km range. The longest ranged umkhonto is 40km. Only need 1 or 2 proto types. And then once you found us. What you going to do. Take pictures.
So your plan is to reyly full on over land trade. That fine. It just means you will over burden the sytem or cut down on profit. You seem to think we need a 100% success rate. We only need to affect your incom a littel to bank rupt you. Nigeria get most of her trade through sea trade.
You sure you in the defense idustry. To move 800 guns you need to move 800 guns. So that is 800 vechils. Plus you need ammo. Atleast a nother 800. Not to menstion support crew, food, accomdastion, HQ untis exra extra. Even the USA struggels with that. The thing that slowed them down the most in Iraq was the logistics.
It shows you know nothing. No milltary has every thing 100%. Called maintance. If nigeria dose not do it they can shoot all they want. They just going to miss or blow them selfs up.
Draknsberg was in the west african area for months. It will not be difcult. Just uncoftbil for the salors.
Ground arty do have radar. But I doubt you knew that.
That saterlight is not going to guied shells. The infomastion will not be real time. Basicaly you on drugs.
Once again the MPA can look through the camras. We going to just jam the singnals. Again it achievs nothing. It may see us. It may get shot down. But it will not provide real time tageting. Basicaly. The guns will be blind.
A blockade targets civlian trade. And subs deploy SF
And the valour can carry cruisse missiels a long range SAMs. You want to start buying thing to help you out so can I. Fact is nigeria has no means to threaten our SUB.
Has I siade try again. You just bank rupting your self.
And given more doubt to level of experiance and knowledge.
[size=16pt]nigerian army new weapon in kaduna city...Grippen Jet Destroyer & Anti-missile Weapon[/size]
The Type 90 twin-35mm anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) is a Chinese copy of the Swiss Oerlikon GDF, one of the world’s most capable low-altitude air defence weapon systems. The weapon was designed to engage high-speed, low-flying aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and cruise missiles. The Type 90 replaced the obsolete Type 65 and type 74 twin-37mm AAA to provide field air defence for the ground forces at the division and group army level.
The Type 90 was first revealed to the public during the 1999 National Day parade held in Beijing. Type 90 is much more advanced in terms of technology and capability. Once set up, the AAA system can be operated by one person. The autoloader make it possible to feed and fire all the ammunition available on the gun without manual intervention. The system’s reaction time to an airborne target is only 6 seconds, and the whole system can be set up or retreated within 90 seconds. The Type 90 includes a computer controlled electro-optical director for 3-dimensional target tracking in conjunction with the laser range finder. The Type 902 (Chinese copy of the Skyguard) millimetre-wave target searching radar has a detection range of 8,000m. The AAA system can work either in conjunction with the Type 902 fire control radar or autonomously. A typical battery using the Skyguard radar consists of two twin 35 mm gun platforms with a single fire control radar. In addition, the 35mm guns are also highly lethal against ground targets. The fire-control unit used by the Type 90 was based on the improved Skyguard-II, which differs from the basic variant Skyguard in that it has two tracking systems, first a Type 902 target searching radar and second electro-optical passive tracking director. The electro-optical tracking system uses high-resolution optical/infrared TV for passive tracking
The advantage of continuing tracking without emitting radar signals increases its survivability when facing enemy anti-radiation missiles (ARMs).
Specifications
Technology date : about year 2000 Purpose: Anti-High Speed Aircraft, Anti-Missile, Anti-Bomb, Anti-Drone/UAV Special Feature: Fully Protected against enemy Anti-Radiation/Radar Missiles and Air to Surface Missiles ECM security: Cannot be jammed by enemy aircraft electronic counter measures Crew: 1 or 5 Gun Calibre: 35mm Rate of Fire: 1,100 rounds per minute Ammunition Speed: 1,175 metres per second Barrel Length: 3,150mm Target Range: 8km Horizontal Movement: 360 degrees Gun Elevation/Depression: -5 degrees against ground enemy, +95 degrees against air enemy, 360 degree rotation Ammunition: 35mm high explosive incendiary Number of rounds available: 560 rounds per barrel before reloading Maximum reloading time: 8 seconds Weight: 8,000kg Maximum Speed on road towed: 80km/h Fire control: combination of Type 902 radar; computerized electro-optical director; laser range finder Towing vehicle: 6X6 cross-country truck
[size=16pt]End of the road for south africa's tiny force of 8 Grippen Jets ![/size]
Just like the roland SAAF can ignore them. NAF has no means to force us to fly low. We can savly just stay high.
All so you really think we would go to war with only 8 gripen. War means calling up reserve force and canceling leave. We would have our full gripen fleet avaibil given time. SANDF is a very reserve force focused milltary.
NaijaPikinGidi: A simple question requires a simple answer and not all this beating about the bush!! What is the definition of the word "war"? When you are willingly able to answer that question, you would eventually have answered many of your own dubious questions and doubts about Nigeria's Military engagements highlighted previously. Only then can we talk further!!
Blindly following the the dictionary definition of war is foolish and you can look it up yourself. What i am talking about is the spectrum of military operations.
sambos994: What about Liberia Liberia and Sierra Leone. Our troops were on the front lines, in the jungles taking out the rebels, that isn't peacekeeping. In Somalia, we were fighting Al-Shabaab. Is that peacekeeping?
it called peacemaking and peace enforcement. Still falls under peace support.
NaijaPikinGidi: Interesting when your own politicians recognise imperialist tendencies and attribute same to greed by the ruling party? Not my words please ... I have only drawn inference from your quote above. In Nigeria, backing for deployment of Nigerian troops is almost always unanimously granted by the President and members of the National Assembly.
NaijaPikinGidi: Let's have some intelligent military talk and debating here!! Can someone please offer a South African counter simulation? AndrewZa, DefenceWeb, FighterPilot ... anyone one there in Mzansi?
I already posted my views and point out just how foolish agaugust is.
sambos994: Well we certainly were not peacekeeping(except in Lebanon)
Really so what where they. You see the word i used was peace support. Other than a civil war Nigeria has only fought peace support and at most coin. And gone up against a real military. The battel may have been tough but in a real war it not the only thing that natters
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 6:59am On Jun 06, 2013
