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So what has amala got to do with Covid Tori Olorun?
Are they saying those sick in Wuhan and elsewhere have been fasting since?

Or we should gather all the amala in Nigeria and send to China, Iran, South Korea, Italy and others to cure their Covid there?

solmus:



what is it with this eleme junction and strange news

the case is simple, let them scan her fingerprints and use it to search BVN and Phone registration database her name , address would pop up and details on her simcard would reveal the location of the mast her phone last recieved signal, her last phone record would also reveal alot about people who droped her, all this could be done while they take her to the hospital


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Where will they get such sense from? Common sense is not common.

In conc Modakeke accent: Shebi na turn by turn. Chop make I chopu o jare. Nassonal noni.

Olu317:
Are you really new to DNA traces ? I just can't understand you and your like minds,with bloodline link between Bini kingly bloodline and Yoruba kingly bloodline to verify which is older ? I guess you don't follow up research work from one of the pioneer researchers on Dna in the person of Professor David Reich's ,on dna traces in West Africa. Apart from his, so many dna traces and the years of departure of all hominids from one and another has been proposed by many scientists.

Even recently, it is said once again that ...DNA analysis of people in West Africa reveals 'ghost' human ancestor. Interestingly, these group mentioned are mende ,Yoruba ,Esan, a group in Gambia,who are of linked to Yoruba ancestry. Unfortunately, Bini is not mentioned, which support some fact that Yoruba people's ancestors were the hominid that birthed the second group of mankind, which Yoruba split from.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2233488-dna-analysis-of-people-in-west-africa-reveals-ghost-human-ancestor/#ixzz6FnNa8bxb

Kindly show me your Oviedo group from dna traces from research work if such exist in Bini separately or older than Yoruba bones . I wait for your own research work. Omode O ma ela o li oun mo ela kata kata,lai ma pe ela kata kata oba ija ni. It seems you people don't know that matrilineal link is what you people in Edo have a lot in common with Yoruba people, except the Eweka and descendants that are link to our ancestors. Oga Ogun is the patrilineal father of Odede(Oranmiyah) and Ogun is over 200 years older than oba ogusua of new kingdom called Bini, from tge land of Igodomigodo.

Note: The knowledge of flood as a tool for destroying hominids at one time or the other,which researchers calculated over 11,600+ years ago.

Yoruba have history of Oru that was destroyed by flood

Hebrew have the history of Or that was destroyed by flood.

Athens have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this part in mesopatmia

Egypt have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this place

People who lived but were saved in Atlantis itself have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed it.

If you dont know, Oru is part of my oriki- panegyric as Omo oru lo oru ako ko ; descendant of oru-world where sunlight emanate cum show forth heat over the earth, whose ancestors were the gatherer- noble and advanced mankind.


Question: Where is your Oviedo and flood history ?

Olu, by now I have openly stated my origins on both Edo and Yoruba side you were free to verify. I have also in the past stated my family oriki too.

I read this basic research work the day it became available. So no need to cut and paste for me. While the work is commendable, It still proves nothing. More work is ongoing.

What I am saying is a targeted test of both Ife and Benin royalties. Not random ones that can yield anything and interpreted to fit whatever theories.

Olu317:
Are you really new to DNA traces ? I just can't understand you and your like minds,with bloodline link between Bini kingly bloodline and Yoruba kingly bloodline to verify which is older ? I guess you don't follow up research work from one of the pioneer researchers on Dna in the person of Professor David Reich's ,on dna traces in West Africa. Apart from his, so many dna traces and the years of departure of all hominids from one and another has been proposed by many scientists.

Even recently, it is said once again that ...DNA analysis of people in West Africa reveals 'ghost' human ancestor. Interestingly, these group mentioned are mende ,Yoruba ,Esan, a group in Gambia,who are of linked to Yoruba ancestry. Unfortunately, Bini is not mentioned, which support some fact that Yoruba people's ancestors were the hominid that birthed the second group of mankind, which Yoruba split from.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2233488-dna-analysis-of-people-in-west-africa-reveals-ghost-human-ancestor/#ixzz6FnNa8bxb

Kindly show me your Oviedo group from dna traces from research work if such exist in Bini separately or older than Yoruba bones . I wait for your own research work. Omode O ma ela o li oun mo ela kata kata,lai ma pe ela kata kata oba ija ni. It seems you people don't know that matrilineal link is what you people in Edo have a lot in common with Yoruba people, except the Eweka and descendants that are link to our ancestors. Oga Ogun is the patrilineal father of Odede(Oranmiyah) and Ogun is over 200 years older than oba ogusua of new kingdom called Bini, from tge land of Igodomigodo.

Note: The knowledge of flood as a tool for destroying hominids at one time or the other,which researchers calculated over 11,600+ years ago.

Yoruba have history of Oru that was destroyed by flood

Hebrew have the history of Or that was destroyed by flood.

Athens have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this part in mesopatmia

Egypt have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this place

People who lived but were saved in Atlantis itself have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed it.

If you dont know, Oru is part of my oriki- panegyric as Omo oru lo oru ako ko ; descendant of oru-world where sunlight emanate cum show forth heat over the earth, whose ancestors were the gatherer- noble and advanced mankind.


Question: Where is your Oviedo and flood history ?

Olu, by now I have openly stated my origins on both Edo and Yoruba side you were free to verify. I have also in the past stated my family oriki too.

I read this basic research work the day it became available. So no need to cut and paste for me. While the work is commendable, It still proves nothing. More work is ongoing.

What I am saying is a targeted test of both Ife and Benin royalties. Not random ones that can yield anything.

Sammy07:
Only the LAGOS ISLAND

Idejo own the land, right?

Ok wherever you see Oba of Lagos written go and add .. .. Island.

Oba Akiolu is Oba of Lagos. Way above the other chiefs recently elevated.

Chai, because his Benin origin is fairly recent and officially well documented, the efforts are now to diminish his status. Funny set of people.

Funny that those supporting Osho Omo ole are those who need him to maneuvre for tribal 2023 presidential ambition.

They do not ask themselves why the.dwarf frogman has so many people against him in his own back yard. He can set his state on fire as long as he does their bidding.

Let him offend Lord Bourdillon and see how they will turn against him in a jiffy.

On video visiting Oba Ewuare II in Benin, Oba Akiolu actually mentioned Ado being from Benin. Late Oba Oyekan said same.

A Lagos prince told me something similar decades back. Seems to corroborate oral and written history. Though I have not heard the Awori part from Oba Akiolu say it.

Fact we know what Oba Akiolu believes. It doesn't sit well with the Yoruba narrative and they do not hide their hate.

I will seek to know the Awori part.
Koro, Odibo and Eletu have long been established as following Ado from Benin.

Kosoko was the last true vassal Eleko of Oba of Benin

Where are those ladies that complain of pencil dick, make Una go meet this obeche tree Dickman in Ghana o.

Olu317:
Just imaging this ignorant man! Have you no knowledge of DNA of different ethnic group being tested by different lab across the research world ? If Bini was known, why is Bini not mentioned ?

I tire for you with your egocentrism of payment of royal bloodline for test. So , supposedly, 10 people can determine the royal bloodline in the whole Yoruba land , even across the globe. You're definitely a grade 1 clown.

This is the reason, I laugh at some of you people without oriki because if you understand Yoruba lagos language ( dialect), then you know what Ifaodu corpus stand for? . Have you any tangible world heritage in Edo land? No wonder, no attention has ever been given you people. In fact, 400,000$ was awarded about three months ago to a group if people for continuous excavation project in Ileife. No wonder, Yoruba land is the toast of the world. Unfortunately I seek Edo, I find her not in existence.

So excavation is just starting in your area? Go around the world and see
When it comes to science or anything DNA, you will have to come to this world many times to know anything about DNA. I can even invite you to one of the best places it's done. I wonder why you guys just yap and never take up any challenges. Fear of failure I know. Contact me off line and you can see for yourself. Don't even go into molecular biology, genetics or human body when talking to me. Avoid displaying more ignorance.

In Yorubaaland bragging is normal. Not so in Midwest. So I challenge you to prove what you say in real life.

Toast of former Yoruba slaves in Diaspora. Benin never sold themselves so no slave diaspora.

Those slave descendants Ooni of Ife goes to visit. I guess remorse is in order for selling Yoruba people. It's on record that the far better advanced and progressive Benin banned slave trade long before 1807.

The recent excavation is playing catch up. Even the Benin influenced Owo has been long excavated as you can see at Owo museum at Olowo palace.

Well, I will pay for 10 each on both Benin and Ife side. Let others pay for more until we reach a statistically reliable number. I never claimed to be Bill Gates to pay for hundreds. Let's even begin with the 20 and see the trend first. Meanwhile the test will be at a top lab in Europe. Not some local Lagos lab.
You should also put your money where your mouth is and pay for 20 too. Not just cheap talk.

Lamanii22:
Give birth to the baby please... Let me adopt it....

Awww! How sweet.

But they'll probably keep the baby. It will be a struggle at first BUT a blessing. Have the two kids now and stop gunning a load of aggressive cum into her after that.

These people don come again o.

So in those days we had no electricity (not that NEPA gives light now sef), all those kids born then nko? Were they not better behaved than the ones conceived under generator fumes nowadays?

So after completing your family, no more sex?

NextD18:
Until you are legally married to a lady, she owes you no faithfulness.

Apart from virgin ladies, a lady's pussay is for the public, more like a tourist center for different preeeqs.

It's open for all, you just line up until it gets to your turn, then you fvck and leave, just like that, the pussay keeps going round for men until one decides to pay permanently for it.

That's just it.
So don't be troubled!!
And don't fight a nigga because of pussay.
Just move onto the next!

Talk true, you are not a lady. Ladies will never admit this. In fact they'll insult you for saying such.

@OP, there are always 3 sides to a man/woman story. His, hers and the truth.
I wouldn't be surprised if they used to have casual sex before you met her. They don't have to like each other to have a fling now and then.

I believe your friend reminisces on those previous experiences and want to get back to it. If not he won't be so brazen to start now.

It's becoming a bit crowded in your relationship. Sit her down and ask her what she wants. Don't appear panicky or bothered.

Dude, if that guy is your friend, I wonder what your enemies would be up to.

AworiLagosian:
Honestly this your reply stems from the deep seated reservations/position you have about the Benin-Yoruba relationship.
Did My reply ever insinuate that Benin is in the Yoruba confederation?
Fine Benin are not in any way close to Yorubas, I think that much is clear. They are on their own after-all. Are you pleased enough now?

And Yes, thank God, yur era of subduing and dominating the natives of Lagos is long gone and never to return!! You guys were e very destructive empire and anti progressive force in Southern Nigeria for ages. That is why in the whole edo state today, outside of Benin, no town even exceeds 200,000 in population. Which only buttresses my point that Beninin was a nation state that wouldn't let anything around it thrive. Benin people of those days would bring their plundering attitude all the way to Idanre, Akure, Owo, Epe just to decimate Yoruboid tribes.

Again look at Ignorance. You do not know how empires operated. I wonder how little even many with Nigerian history degrees still understand about it.
Empires in Africa was never about plundering. Even slave raiding only began when prompted by Arab & later European slave traders.

Empires were about first alliances, securing trade routes and consolidating defense of the imperial state. You could not allow weak chiefdoms and kingdoms of unreliable loyalties to surround you.

People need to read widely and visit museums worldwide if they can. See how Rome grew from a small settlement on the Tiber to a massive empire to Hadrian's Wall, North Africa, Middle East and beyond.

Even the leader of the Gauls Vercingetorix, who nearly defeated Julius Caesar in the siege of Alesia in France in September of 52 BC, was once his ally.

War only became necessary if they resisted pledging loyalty and become a danger to national security. Benin could not leave weak chiefdoms between it and Oyo. The border had to be taken to Otun in Ekiti North. This is an ancient defensive tactics.

Benin didn't need more "Lebensraum", so why decimate Yoruba? Many of the ruling houses in Eastern Yorubaland even later intermarried with Benin royalty and aristocracy.

Benin and Yoruba are different tribes. Benin is between East & West. Surely there would have been mixing with both East & West. Add that to imperial times, surely Benin became a centre to ply your trade and show off your skills. Some people from both East and West distinguished themselves, rose to prominence and are part of Benin Elite today. I cited Gov. Obaseki as an example of Anioma origin before.

French language is totally different from English for example. However after 1066 Norman conquest, French became the official bureaucratic language of Britain for 300 years. Today many Latin words entered English language through French. In fact the English are a Germanic race like Germans, Danes, Dutch, Swedes, etc. English is a Germanic language too. Despite England and France being separated by just the English Channel.

Nobody is an island or live in a vacuum.

Take a town called Upele/Ipele near Owo for example. They acknowledge the Benin origin of 7 of the 8 founders of that land. The 8th being from Ife. Some even argue that Yoruba like to cement their Yorubaness by claiming to descend from Ife/Oduduwa. That adding the 8th founder was such an example. But I am not to tell Ipele people their history. They should know it better.

It wasn't all about wars and pillaging, etc.

As for population, remember that Benin never claimed having a large population. We know of the huge migration waves from Benin under some very demanding Obas. Very strict laws like no sex for 3 years. So when you look at waves that left, little wonder Population of Benin didn't increase exponentially. Towns like Urhonigbe & Udo that previously were rivaling Benin City declined greatly. Urhonigbe means 10 gates. Whereas Benin had 7 city gates. Both towns were easier to escape from. Urhonigbe to Anioma/Delta/ Rivers/Bayelsa. From Udo to Yorubaland.

LOOK, my epistles are for many silent readers here on NL. I have in the past been contacted by researchers working on historical topics.

Olu317:
Just imaging your ignorance ? Oduduwa was exiled prince ? I mock you .

Sure, mock at your own peril.

Oduduwa with heavenly chain. Was he a bungee jumper? Or Mount Everest climber. I hope he had an oxygen mask climbing up and down. Kikikikiki

While some black people have an inferiority complex to believe they must have a Tokunbo ancestor is beyond me. When clearly science shows that mankind originated from East, Central/West Africa area.

Very funny set of people.

My offer to pay for DNA tests for 10 people each from Benin & Ife royal families still stands. Let science decide objectively.

AworiLagosian:
This is the difference between a Benin and a Yoruba.
A Yoruba person's loyalty is to their entire ethnic group as a whole, which has more than 40 peopled clans within it.
A Benin person's loyalty is to Benin kingdom regardless of which peoples lands they claim.

Benin is a nation state, Yoruba is a Nation of States.

Within Yoruba, 'Benin' is just like say; Egbas for example.

I have seen many mumu Yoruba people arguing here over the years but yours takes the biscuit.
You know neither the anthropology nor philology of the two people. Let alone knowing how the Niger-Congo groups of people relate to each other. Only such confidence in ignorance can cause such assertion.

You sit somewhere saying these two tribes are closest. Nope. Those of us with dual heritage know our history. In my case to well over 800 years.

The Yoruba who come here on Nairaland to claim nonsense are mostly Hausa and Tiv immigrants and others of unknown origin into Yorubaaland. Even those who claim royalty are from the many new white cap chiefs elevated.

Stop attaching to Benin. Midwest left Western Region contraption in 1963 because British imposed nonsense was getting into the head of Western Region leaders.

You Awori Lagosian should know how Benin subdued you guys to create Lagos monarchy.

MiztaFabuloz:
Why is almost every news about this Oshiomole always related to thugs

Simple. Because he's a thug.

massinola:
this must be very hard for oshiomole given that he needed that seat to orchestrate his evil plans against obaseki. obaseki will fall on him with full force now. osho baba, please take your own advise to that poor woman...go and .......

DIE!

DonHummer:
osho Baba go and enjoy ur loot in China come back with Corona and infect all ur members

He can resume wife importation. It's lucrative business. He should include North African underage girls in the nefarious business. Lots of demand in the North. Even Ned Nwoke is a potential client.

And las las he should go and die.

Years down the line, have you now switched to something clinical?

The 2 years post-grad Pharmacy degree in Australia is not bad. You be a hospital pharmacist. Doing ward rounds with doctors, etc.

Gnaeusmagnus:
Am sure some PDP supporters will come and say that it is Karma for what he did to GEJ

Some APC supporters will come and say that he should not have gone against Ganduje and the government

And at the end of the day, Nigeria does not benefit.

This country is not ready to fight corruption, and restructuring won't change that

And both sides would be correct. You cannot make enemies all over the place.
GEJ did his in a civil way. Not all enemies are civil. Sadly the political system the North skewed to favour a few privileged people makes them now too powerful.

Sanussi should have remain a technocrat and not lobby his way (with support of Tinubu who went to stay in Kano then & others) to become the emir.

Now looking back, it's obvious Tinubu wanted to remove a potent potential presidential contender. It wasn't just to garner more Kano votes.

Yep, Nigerians will continue to lose until restructuring or outright break-up.

Oh, so economically Nigeria even slipped down officially from where Jonathan left it, lol. zombie and silliness.

ghostwon:
Yes, you are doing a good job bro.
Me, I don't have too much time to spend in here. I have a master's degree in pure maths and J am currently a maths teacher in a high school in France, I am trying to go back to uni for an other master's degree in an other maths field ( maths logics) after which I would be going for a PhD in model theory I hope.

Needless to say, I don't have too much time to discuss with unreasonable Yoruba who keep arguing after you have already proven your claims and therefore debunked theirs.

Oh great. You are doing well.

I have visited museums in Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, London and other places to see Benin arts and history. Aside Egypt, no other African history is so widely celebrated worldwide.

I am a very busy person too. Spent most of my time in the West being trained by and be alongside some of the most celebrated scientists of the last century.

While some brag about how educated they are, looking down on everyone, claiming they
know more than everyone else, we are quietly doing our thing. Keep it up dude.

ghostwon:
The maps which I posted and which you are quoting prove you wrong and prove me right. So what the hell are you talking about ?

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Dude, these people get high BP whenever they hear about Benin Empire. Luckily people like me and others are living evidence of Eastern Yorubaland that was part of Benin Empire.

Of course in 1914 Benin had to cede imperial rights to previous colonies to have the monarchy restored. Can you imagine that monarchy in SW would have remained vacant while Oba Ovonrsnwen was in Calabar? Princes would have killed themselves fighting to be chosen by the British to take the throne. But the British was unable to persuade any Benin man to take the throne.

Of course the British planned to stay for centuries and limiting Benin reach became a key policy. So that over time Benin would become much reduced. Thus is what Western Region were doing that made MIDWEST break away democratically.

I know these envious bigots for years here now on Nairaland. They even connived to block me over a similar argument here years back. Expect anything from them. They think if they bully enough, tell lies often and long enough, they will intimidate people and foist their tribalistic agenda. But they are all very hollow and parading as pseudo intellectuals.

ghostwon:
The maps which I posted and which you are quoting prove you wrong and prove me right. So what the hell are you talking about ?

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Dude, these people get high BP whenever they hear about Benin Empire. Luckily people like me and others are living evidence of Eastern Yorubaland that was part of Benin Empire.

Of course in 1914 Benin had to cede imperial rights to previous colonies to have the monarchy restored. Can you imagine that monarchy in SW would have remained vacant while Oba Ovonramwen was in Calabar? Princes would have killed themselves fighting to be chosen by the British to take the throne. But the British were unable to persuade any Benin man to take the throne.

Of course the British planned to stay for centuries and limiting Benin reach became a key policy. So that over time Benin would become much reduced. This is what Western Region were doing that made MIDWEST break away democratically.
I know these envious bigots for years here now on Nairaland. They even connived to block me over a similar argument

He will probably appeal against it.

But that he could even be taken to court and asked to resign shows how controversial he is, having made many enemies.

Oshio forgets that you are only relevant to Tinubu or SW if you can serve their interest. Nothing more.
Any genuine Midwest person must pitch his tent very carefully. It's not all about power.

MelesZenawi:
The similarities between the two are too much that your defence will be weak and look somehow stupid.

Lol. Do you know people have spent decades of research doing research into these things?
The languages are not even similar.
Whereas nobody needs to tell you that Igbira and Yoruba are similar or that Benin and Urhobo or Degema are very close.

Again educate yourself properly. It's not my argument. It's convergence of local history, poetry and modern scientific research.

As we already know our SW people think they have monopoly of cleverness. Anyone not doing their bidding is stupid. Only tribal supremacy is important. Truth has no meaning. Even SW people bold enough to be objective are called "omale".

Oduduwa was an exiled Benin Prince. He didn't didn't descend from any bloody mountain, from any chain from heaven or magically wander across any God-forsaken Sahara desert from Israel or Arabia. The versions are so many that you should be ashamed telling your kids such humbug.

Quite pathetic for people who revel in and boast about being educated.

oluwaseyi000:
Asian countries will have done same too if they are not the primary carrier in fact Nort Korea may even shoot on sight

Imagine Africans in Asia by now if it originated anywhere in Africa, even North Africa.

MelesZenawi:
Edos/Binis are Yorubas...They are same people from same mother.

https://www.nairaland.com/5714550/obas-benin-descendants-great-yoruba


Benin are Descendants of Yorubas.

It's obvious you have no knowledge of anthropology or philology. Unless you allude to Eve as the collective mother of all humans. Or both being Niger-Congo people.

Benin are never descendants of Yoruba. There are people in Benin with some Yoruba ancestry and there are also people in Yorubaland with some Benin ancestry.

I have offered here on NL years ago for ten people each from Benin and Benin royal families to volunteer for DNA test to see which has the older DNA. Yes it can be done these days. I put my money where my mouth is.
I believe in logic and empiricism.

Not like those who beat chest, use profanities and run away.

You do not mean it

TRUSTEDGUY:


Since safety is the priority for you then your obvious choice is Lagos.

Abuja is closer to Boko Harham than you think

I was gonna mention that o. All that Kaduna-Abuja road is not that safe. Only the high FG security is helping ABUJA for now.

Abuja suffered Boko attack at the UN office, Lagos hasn't.

Rossinnki:
Mehn, but we carry weight for this continent sha..

Dammit.

In fact, looking at the above statement, one might as well say that without Nigeria, there is nothing like Africa.

Yet some idiots want to split up this country into little, inconsequential Liberias. When you sneeze nobody will notice.

Rubbish.

Which weight? Nigeria should be about 5 times South Africa's economy.
What is the development index: poverty rate, average income, life expectancy at birth, child and maternal mortality, literacy rate etc?

Randomly pick 1,000 Nigerians and ask make them choose between staying in Nigeria and living in the Tiny countries of Monaco, Luxembourg, Andora, Iceland, etc. These countries are living the good life with visa free to all countries that matters.

Who sneezing help?
Such irrelevant archaic chest beating does not help the millions of almajiri kids, tens of millions in poverty nationwide and those underage girls with VVF in the North.