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double0seven: @armedo

What do you mean by allied health workers. This is a term coined by Nigerian doctors. They are a vital part of the health sector,; therefore they are health workers.
Its either you are in the health sector or you ate not. So physiotherapist is not in the health sector. A medical laboratory scientist is not in the health sector but only connected or allied to it. Also a pharmacist.

You guys are pathetic. Going by your submission, the only people in the health sector are doctors and dentist..... abi?

the term allied health workers refers to members of the health team apart from doctors, nurses and pharmacists. It is not a derogatory term.

CALM DOWN!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_health_professions

sonnie10: Nigeria doctor could be likened to a superman. He knows everything and would want to do everything by himself. Just image a radiologist who spent over 13 years perfecting skills coming to take medical images. Radiographers are professional who are responsible, empowered and have the competency to produce quality diagnostic images. In have seen folks here referring to imaging scientists as "photographers". What a shame! Tell me why you think it is so easy for a single individual to learn modalities like- xray, ultrasound, CT, MRI, fluoroscopy, PET/SPECT scan, Nuclear imaging, radiotherapy, doseimetry, fMRI, Molecular imaging, Cath Cauterization, Mammography, Angiography, Arthrography, interventional radiography, bone densitery. If it is not difficult, why not pick anyone off the street and train him/her.

google is your friend.

Leopantro: lol. i believe nobody is above making a mistake and efficiency in teamwork. when faced with a patient i can do the work of a nurse or a cleaner, i don't really care. it's the patient's return to proper health that is important to me. then i move to the next patient.

but i guess it depends on your outlook at life.

you cant teach passion its either there or it isn't.

YourHealthlabs: I'm not bashing physicians, we are only helping the public understand the issues and have a balanced view. It's very important to ensure that no group is gagged while the other enjoys media-monopoly.

I just discovered that your 'doctor colleague' 'drlawzle' has a thing or two to learn about quotations and references. He's making people question what's up there in his skull. You hold any brief for him?
I mean he can't complain of being tired or stressed up, he's been on strike(if he really is a doc) for somedays and should be fresh and alert. I'm disappointed really.

By the way, i caught you peeping on the dr adewale thread, i'm expecting your thoughts there.

Cheers

i would post my thoughts on that thread am currently on mobile

lanrefront1: So what are you guys saying? Are you saying if Dr. Dora Akunyili practised her career in a teaching hospital, she cannot become a director in administration while a doctor can simply because he studied medicine? Very ludicrous. What pomposity and such arrogance.

the director of hospital administration is never a Dr ask your mum!

AK481: word!!!!!.it is only in this case that there is an abnormal diffrence in pay bettween the private dr and the public dr.
when a private fresh doctor is earning about 80k in the hospital a copper or a housemanship dr in a public hospital is earning aboiut 200k,how do you want the private dr to concentrate and grow?

i think a lot of public hospitals should be privated

i feel sorry for you, If public hospitals are privatized i hope you will be able to afford it.

2ndly what concerns you what a house officer earns, you post stinks of pettiness.

bunmit: Not being unreasonable, but i think dis doctors own r becoming too much, dey ve turn demself into gods due to d nature of there job

nobody is feeling like a god, to be a health worker you need at least an iota of human empathy.


While i understand the plight of the patient i still feel that my own plight isn't understood, despite the opinion that many individuals become doctors due to the remuneration i can assure you that for a large majority that isn't the case.

while i was a student i didn't even know how much a house officer earned till i was in final year and had some of my friends who wefre ahead doing house job, can you now say finance was my motivation,

the most important thing for many doctors is job satisfaction. those who are interested in the remuneration of doctors know themselves that is why they are trying to get what they haven't earned.

YourHealthlabs: Mr wardman, do you really know the meaning of quotes and references?
Are you really a graduate of a medical college?. Be proud to tell us your alma mater so your schoolmates and colleagues can cover their faces in shame.
Throwing around caustic words and showing off your infantile emotional instability can not ruffle anyone here. You are simply drinking poison and expecting another man to die. It's futile

I made known my views about Nigerian/foreign-trained physicians previously and i stand by them. Nobody jumps out with a Nigerian mbbs and then easily jumps into a better standardized system 'because foreign countries are dying to have Nigerian docs' as some of you always want the gullible ones to believe.
Some of your colleagues have admitted that already. A relative of mine is one of those foreign-based physicians, so i'm not ignorant of the issues.

Now if you have any problem with the original post, why don't you channel your puerile effusions to the Punch editors. It is their intellectual product not mine. That's why the source is there. Pick up your pen and write to them.

Trying to wrongly divert anger will leave you opened to getting intellectually humiliated and roughed up by yours truly. I'll leave you here.

Cheers.

I knew i would find you on a Dr bashing thread.

MeAboki: In a house of 10, when only 1 is against the rest then something fishy must be going on, because all other 9 cannot be wrong.
Doctors greed and selfishness against other health workers is the cause of this wahala.
Imagine going on strike because:
you don't want others to graduate as consultants - even though anyone can become consultant in his own field
you don't others to be promoted to directors - even though the law entitles them to it
you don't want others to skip GL 11 - even though the law entitles them to it like other civil servants.
yout house officers & resident doctors to be paid teaching allowances - even though they are students & not teaching anybody. wan
You want to be given the highest Hazard allowance - even though there are others more exposed to hazards than you.
you want to take over control importation of laboratory reagents & equipment - even though there is the laboratory regulatory body (MLSCN) as provided by law
you want to head departments or organisations of other health professionals - e.g. NAFDAC even though they are not meant for you.
you do not want other professionals to head hospitals or become minister for health - even though these positions are essentially and purely administrative/political.

And the list goes on.....haba doctors, na una only be ppl?

many johesuites have been shouting google is your friend apparently he is your enemy or you cant spell.
lets take your post from the top


In a house of 10, when only 1 is against the rest then something fishy must be going on, because all other 9 cannot be wrong.

this smacks of ignorance so lets ignore it.


Doctors greed and selfishness against other health workers is the cause of this wahala.
Imagine going on strike because

maybe its the other way round but am sure you don't get it.


you don't want others to graduate as consultants - even though anyone can become consultant in his own field

others to graduate as consultants pray tell me who a consultant is?

IMO

A consultant is a fellow who has attained one or both fellowships in the post graduate medical college following resdincy training.
now this individual has two options on completion of training if available
1, retained as a specialist by the govt in a teaching or gen hospital
2, setting out as a private practitioner.

now thw term consultant as regards HOSPITAL practice is a fellow who has specialized in an aspect of medicine and sees patients who have a problem in that field ( *** note the term hospital setting)

by and large there are many other consultants in varying fields due to requirements of their specialization.

answer me this

1. What benefits do the JOHESU members want to bring as CONSULTANTS to the health sector that they aren't doing now.
2. If the term will improve patient benefit what have they been doing ever since?
3. how many allied health fields have fellowships that are structured ( don't say university structure but again HOSPITAL BASED)

Finally nobody "graduates" as a consultant.


you don't others to be promoted to directors - even though the law entitles them to it


this one baffles me do you think only allied health workers are the one who get to the civil service grade of director? again in the hospital seting will this serve as an improvement?


you don't want others to skip GL 11 - even though the law entitles them to it like other civil servants.


In this case as long as relativity is maintained I really dont care ( IMO).


yout house officers & resident doctors to be paid teaching allowances - even though they are students & not teaching anybody.

Again ignorance have you researched if your statement is true.


You want to be given the highest Hazard allowance - even though there are others more exposed to hazards than you

my take on hazard allowance, i feel everyone who is exposed to any form of health hazard should be entitled to this.


you want to head departments or organisations of other health professionals - e.g. NAFDAC even though they are not meant for you.


honestly i was pretty dumb founded when i discovered that the Dg of nafdac was a Dr, I only found out some days ago on a similar discussion on NMA JOHESU issue.

i however searched on the requirements for the Dg of nafdac and discovered that the position isnt just for pharmacists. thats a law guiding the agency. also the said Dr has an amazing CV. a Doctorate in neuropsychopharmacology and a qualified lawyer. so


you do not want other professionals to head hospitals or become minister for health - even though these positions are essentially and purely administrative/political.


this still boils down to who heads the medical team professionally or politically!!


And the list goes on.....haba doctors, na una only be ppl?[/quote]


list further pls.............and we aren't the only ones we just find ourselves where we are.



Your honor i submit to cross examination from opposing counsel.

Thank you.

drlawizle: And later they will say naija docs are arrogant for refusing to compare themselves with naija coaches..naija ppl dey make me laff piss for body oh!

Lol

drlawizle: See what the FG has turned you into? Import everything to the point of importing health workers that that know little about your tropical health conditions...and then if the govt decides to pay them big chunks of salary you won't mind as long as its oyinbo and not your fellow Nigerian that takes it...Kai Nigeria we hail thee oh...most ppl think with their anus!!!

The final paragraph of the post you responded to is beyong belief. That shows you the mental status of our nation.

IjogzK: Ayam 55yrs old.. bin practicing and working as a Security for the past 25yrs. I wanna change my dreams cuz I just completed my SSCE part time. Wanna go to Medical Skool and become a Doctor. How can I go about it.


My Oga tell me that I aff the potentials based on my handwriting.

You wen don pass the age expectancy for naija. Lol

My advice just marry another wife. Its better than med sch at your age.

Onlinebizexpert: GOD BLESS NIGERIA………..GOD bless GEJ,PEJ,PDP,APC,RIP etc

U are insane. I see what you did there.

CircleOfWilis: The president ,he was also a lecturer rite? if yes! Why has he not bn joinin ASUU/asup strike rubbish!

What a counter

azimibraun: I find it hard to respect Educated Nigerians. We practicaly talk like Universities and Polys and COEs are all all motor parks where agboro character is learnt and holds sway. How do u guys expect a kid in college reading ur posts to make any sense out of this topic and ur arguments? Can any1 of u explain to a college boy or girl why think this issues persist and hs gone to the level it is now? Objectivity is just no where near all these shallow posts am reading. What are the philosphies behind establishing polys and what are the ideas behind establishing a universities? Dts a gud way to start den u move on to identifying wen dis dicotomy in relevance started and why? Gradualy we wll all arrive @ root causes, effects and solutions.

Many reading this your post won't understand it. That's how far below the surface we've sunk.

Na wa oh!!!!!![right][/right]



Una funny well well for this thread. Let me ask one simple question from this page who has the ego issue sef.?

The Dr who decides patient management or the nurse who feels the Patient care should be Thiers or physiotherapist who feels patient should see them first. Or mls who also clerk and refer.

Who really has ego problems the head of the tram or team members who refuse to play their parts because they feel the Dr has ego


Scenario as painted over the pages.

Stroke patient dr sees admits sends to lab and pharmacy, patient recovering dr introduces physiotherapist.Patient gets better and goes home.


Isn't this the whole point. Hasn't the Dr done what he has been trained to do ditto pharmacist mls and physio.
When mls, physio begin to wonder why the Dr is in charge or why the Dr makes decisions thats the wahala is what we are facing now.

Anyway all iz well.


Ego ego ego.

[quote author=abuchilag]Why are these doctors playing with the lives of innocent Nigerians......they took an oath abi oaths to sanctity of live....why are they the ones killing those that they are paid to take care of ? These guys(the selfish ones among them) are killers in robes.

The FG should disband that useless and power drunk society. It is obvious that they make more money during strikes as they direct patients to their clinics.

God will save Nigeria.



All of you who usually shout doctors divert patients to their private clinic how many of nigerians can actually afford a private clinic.

Were it affordable everyone will ignore govt hospital and all this crap won't happen in the first place.

You have you ever been diverted to a private clinic by your doctor

Calebosko: I just dey wid ma girlfriend,one guy cum pik am for my front comot for Jeep, E no even giv me smal respect,ah say make i login Nairaland so i go forget my sorrow,na i cum see this poo.... Capenter how much 4 this casket??..so na friendzone i bin dey since.

. No worry. you have been given a second chance. Now arise.

El Guapo: Nah, It all boils down to the individual in discourse.

You cant tell me that the basic role of a friend is to keep going on a shopping spree for his/her friend, it doesnt work that way mate.

Oga when you're zoned, it's expected of you by the girl to be a friend i.e gist, render advice, edify her on sensitive issues, share in her triumphs and failures etc.

If you end up paying her school fees every semester, believe you've got an invincible tag on your neck that reads ''This Mugu wont just cease to surprise me''

You again

Maximus17: How could u do this to me eh

Fit2Rule: L.M. Ayedun for governor of Savanna State,2015. You have my support.

And it has already begun. Campaigning for the governor of a state that hasn't even been created yet.

Jesus Christ. Una no go kill person sha.

MEILYN: Nairalanders? I thought this forum was filled with intelligent people? I am very disappointed in you guys. So you guys don't see the advantage of new states? You don't know it will bring development especially in infrastructure? Bring the government closer to the people? Woooooow. Na wa for ona ooo

Me I am disappointed in you. Let me summarize for you.

Old wine in new skin. Nothing changes. Except for the few who would be leaders in the new States. Do you know the level of regress this would cause.

The first point of call will be new govt houses to be built then legislative environments, secretariats, commissioners quarters, assembly quarters church and mosque in govt house etc etc. Not to talk of cars for all new officials There would be paucity if funds in an already malnourished system and you the common man will be waiting with his bowl for development. The first 16yrs ie 2 eight year tenures can't even complete all this listed.

emeka94: Most stupid resolution the confab has made second only to the incredulous idea of rotation of presidency. Are these people blind or just plain selfish and greedy. Resources is scarce and corruption is thriving more than oil yet you still want to create more states. USA that's as large as what I don't know has only 50 states. By the way Nigerian govt claim to be copying America's style of federal governance. Creation of addition states will only make the center stronger, the states lazier, fragmentation of Nigeria and break up of ethnic groups and families. Of what is the reason behind dis creation of states?!! I can only see selfish reasons and selfish reason and selfish reasons. If 36 isn't working how will 54 work? Give LGAs autonomy, reduce the powers of federal and state govt and create city councils not states. please!!!. City councils will ensure the participation of ordinary men in governance, men that I can see and touch not governors that drive up and down in latest SUVs causing accidents and traffic jam. Tufiakwa. God save Nigeria from this old men and women.

All those analysing how the states should be hope you all read this. Am really surprised at us. We can't even make headway with 36 states we want more. Smh.

El Guapo: The emboldened says it all.



Oga mi, sorry to cut you short but when you do all that for a supposed female friend, you're no longer a friend.

Instead, you've successfully migrated to another bumper tarriff known as the Mugu Package

Guapo I take God beg you don't break my ribs

Who go resurrect 7yr old thread.

Morotov1: Stop being sensational and debate constructively. Nigerian health sector needs a revolution and this is the starting point, refute argument intelligently because we the masses are sieving out lies, sentiments and are ready for the truth.

Will be back to answer.

[quote author=adeola_drg]You said this:

there are consulting rooms in
pharmacies, theatres in nursing homes, abortion
facilities in dispensaries, and operating rooms on
people’s dining tables.


Now if you cannot prove that this thing happens, God will punish you!!! Why feed the public with wrong info?
There's no where you'd find such rubbish! Why lie?[/quote]For you to deny this you are a liar!!! Not the dining table stuff thiugh .

chuks01: Emeka ihedioha

as soon as i saw the cap he came to mind.

mintyx: Goin through this piece of crap, all i could see is how the Medical doctors are the best people to head the head sector, how thier salary packages should be upgraded, how they are the most exposed to hazards and should be paid bumper packages amongst other things...

But question is, taking the hazard allowance for instance, who in the health sector is less exposed to hazards and who amongst them earn better hazard allowance?

The radiation that the imaging scientist is exposed to everyday can mutate his genes and affect his normal body functions, have they gone on strike to demand for allowance increase?

The problem of the health sector is not the Government but the doctors! The doctors role and other health workers are well spelt out but the doctor wants to see patients, he wants to head all the departments in the hospital, he wants to determine who gets paid and by how much, who gets promoted amongst others...


The seeming crises in the health sector is simply due to the oppressed (so called support staffs) resisiting opression and doctors are now feeling the heat!

I dont expect you guys to comprehend all these anyways but i have made my point!

you have made your point clearly. am not even gonna start this all over again. [b][/b]

[quote author=BABE!]Ok, ok let's slow down. You're coming at me with too many emotions.

When I'm ready to have a child after marriage, it's still a bunch of cells that lack conscious until the baby is born and well developed. Married couples do abort. Plus, I don't remember what happened when I was in the womb.

I don't lack respect for human life. More like, I'm very logical. I can also make the argument that you lack respect for human life since you use condoms; and condoms kill sperms, the basis of human life.[/quote]No disrespect to women but you are one of the few who the word logic is in their dictionary in other females emotion appears in two places. I applaud you.

alutacontinua: a woman doesn't have sex with herself, does she?
sex brings 2 people together, that very moment-2 bodies are involved, and both are responsible for the outcome of that 'moment'.


It really would have been a different case if there's always a discussion before sex, say a written agreement by both parties as to what happens with the product/non-product of their session. But we all know the power of konji na

Shoo or. You be lawyer. Which one be written agreement before playing match.

[quote author=BABE!]Your body won't get messed up if you go about the process the right way.[/quote]Okpolo eye no be open eye.