₦airaland Forum

pazienza:
Igbanke share land boundary with Mbiri in Ika part of Delta.
So yes! They can easily be added to Delta.

In exchange, Delta(Anioma) would have to give up Ozanogogo to Edo state.

oza people are migrants.

davidnazee:
Correct... and just to add to it, any part of Delta we need or deem necessary to Edo we will take.
Edo is not confused like those in Delta. We already know where we stand. A confused people usually end up being war booty.

Attach by force I guess?
Well, I'll not behave like you lots who shout on top of your voice at the mention of Biafra, claiming Igbo's want to force unwilling people into Biafra yet find same method inevitable in conceiving your own country.

The truth remains that as much as i hate the idea, Biafra may end up claiming urhobo and itshekiri. Even Edo risk being taken by Biafra. Most Igbo's including myself vehemently reject the idea of adding them to Biafra. But then, they are aloof. In times like this it's not allowed to just sit and wait for when Biafra news comes up to insult, you have to have your own aspiration. Since Edo secessionist movement is not forthcoming, it'll be foolhardy to reject both Oduduwa and Biafra. Claiming to belong to neither of them can actually mean belonging to either of them without negotiated terms.

YungMillionaire:
You sound like fvcking Ipobs - attached by force mentality. No be by force to join Bini leave us alone

leave Igbos out of your misery and focus on the topic.

Not all. you missed some names I guess. Ada is a very common name between Igbo's and idoma.

Saro wiwa the late fool? I'm out.

horsepower102:
I just noticed that since you have been responding the me, you never said anything about how you feel about the inclusion of non-igbos in the Biafra Nnamdi kanu is pursuing.

What is your personal opinion on that. I would like to know your point of view.

Maybe if i know your point of view, I may even agree with you. What do you think about including Niger delta NON-Igbo minorities? Do you trust them?

we have gone past that stage. if you are still locked in the confusion of who to have in Biafra at this stage instead of supporting the movement, then your loyalty is called to question. Everybody believes we have to get freedom first and then settle any other issue later.

horsepower102:
My brother I am not pazienza. I disagree with you just like I disagree with Mazi Nnamdi Kanu but that doesn't mean I have ill feeling towards you or him. But it looks like you are taking it way too personal. Try to reason with me to see that if anything, I am trying to protect Ndigbo from unnecessary sabotage and betrayals.

did igbos request for your protection? were you not the fellow who admitted you can't do what Kanu is doing? those who are brave enough to undertake the risk are doing the job. You either have the option of supporting them or begin your own movement. If you can do either of these you may well take several seats.

We all agree that we want to get out of this shitt hole called Nigeria. We only disagree on the methods.

it does appear we are no longer on the same boat or you no longer share the same Biafra vision with the majority since your own method destroys instead of achieving a goal.

Igboid:
Stop fighting imaginary enemies. Horsepower is not pazienza. Check the writing style. This shouldn't be hard.

stop disgracing yourself further.

how did you know I mentioned you?

horsepower102:
And how would including non-igbos in the Nigerdelta to the new Biafra help in stopping the murderous tendencies of the Nigerian Army? If anything, it would provide justification and a cheering crowd in our own backyard.

It's now obvious you have no valid justification for your position. I'm not a kid. I have been in struggles a couple of times and I have learnt not to trust people, however committed they may be cos they may betray anytime.Biafra agitation is seriously gathering momentum. So also the oppressors are fighting back using everything at their disposal. Anyone who falls by the way , we dump him and continue, including you.

yes! you pazienza.

horsepower102:
First of all, I am not pazienza. I dont know what gave you that idea.

Restricting it to igboland will enable us to focus and not be distracted by people screaming that we are including them to be part of something that they never asked for.

The non-igbos dont want to be part of the New Biafra. They want Nigerdelta. They always speak about it whenever biafra issues come up. Why is IPOB playing deaf to this major concern.

Go back and read my question and stop engaging in circular argument. How will restricting the agitation to igboland stop the army from committing the bloodshed you complained about?

Everybody is talking about Biafra. Isn't that wonderful?

horsepower102:
The truth is that I don't have it in me. I am not bold and charismatic as him. I will give that credit to him. He has the ability to influence people. He is a radical.

But if you think that because I cannot do it (which I humbly agree), that I don't have the right to critique the movement and its direction, then you are very wrong. The fact that my Igbo brothers and sisters have sacrificed their lives for this movement forces me to be involved. Igbo blood is very precious to me and we cannot sacrifice it for those who have rejected us.

smh, pazienza You have now shifted your anti Biafra motivation from "insults from SS" to "Igbo blood" being shed.

pray tell how is restricting Biafra agitation to Igbo land going to stop the blood thirsty Nigerian army from killing our people whenever we raise the flag? how is it going to stop the massacre all over the country?

You have your right to defect to whichever side you want. This is Igbo land and nobody will force you but playing on our intelligence while at it is certainly beyond you.

horsepower102:
Once again, you cannot impose a referendum on those who never asked for it and whose leadership or mouthpiece have come out to reject Biafra. What is wrong with you?

did Igbos demand for a referendum?
Agitation and freedom fighting does three things,
1) convince the people there is a problem that needs to be solved.

2) proffer a solution to the problem

3) mobilize the people to push for the goal which is freedom

horsepower102:
Denialism will be the source of IPOB death. Tell Nnamdi Kanu to limit his ambitions to Igboland. I have no hatred for him but he is misguided.

The minorities he claims to know in reality don’t like him. They don’t like igbos and they don’t want anything to do with Biafra.

He needs to stop sacrificing the blood of igbo children who trust him for groups of people who don’t deserve that sacrifice.

Why is this hard for IPOB to understand.

Let the new Biafra be an igbo only thing and they will have my support back again like they used to.

And most importantly, we will get biafra faster that way.

why Nnamdi kanu? why not you?

Many of these people you think you know too well have be paid to write against Biafra hoping to use the trust they gained over the years to gather the opinion of as many people as possible against Biafra, using the frivolous excuse of a homogeneous Igbo country.

Anybody that wants freedom wants freedom.Let's tell ourselves the truth, Anybody that opposes a non violent organization like IPOB has an ulterior motive. we are not all fools.

If Anybody tells you kanu is bad, Ipob is this, Igboland has this problem etc. Just ask him the solution? He will never tell you. If he ever does, ask him why he is not taking the charge, he will definitely run away.

Fake news. He didn't defend wike he only exposed the hypocrisy of those condemned the demolition while keeping silent when worse is done elsewhere against Igbo.

what's your point op? Benin is not part of Biafra.

horsepower102:
In nature, organisms that are unable to adapt to changing environment go extinct.

Enough said.

your logic is dead on arrival. People develop by changing their environment. Heroes transform and not conform!

Always about crude oil

XANDERBOY85:
IPOB and Mazi Kanu don't have the power to force any grp to join Biafra! Their position is to start from the historically known Biafra, and then any group not happy to join can opt out!

I suspect a lot of people railing against IPOB and Mazi Kanu know within themselves that ALL these non Igbo ethnic grps in the Niger-Delta or the so called south-south will either opt to join the Igbos in a loose federation or choose to go it alone! Remaining in 'one Nigeria' would not be an option for them, and this is what 'one Nigerianists' from other parts of the country actually fear, hence their resolve to attack Mazi Kanu and IPOB at any given opportunity! I can tell you for free that these non easterners actually fear Mazi kanu and IPOB more than the bloodthirsty bokos!

Glad you understand.

UdechiHD:
Pazienza can surely write a book sure but he isn't cut out to lead. There was a time we talked about opening a WhatsApp group to push Igbo nationalism but it fell on deaf ear.
Sorry to say this, but Nairaland is where Pazienza charismatism ends.

Unless we translate this ideals to workable solutions offline, it would always end up as a waste of effort.

Yea, he can't translate it to solutions b'cos he is unsure of his ideas. The worst thing that can happen to anyone is to follow someone who doesn't know what he wants. I have learnt that Pazienza is just one of them. He supported Nnamdi kanu, supported Ipob, Supported Biafra and supported sit at home. Now he hates Ipob, hates Nnamdi kanu and hates Biafra.

It is very simple to write and dwell on a probem. Infact every breathing human can detail a problem but only those who are sure of their own ideas can boldly venture into the all important task of solving them. It is those who solve problems that are called heroes and not those who criticize them. Education and knowledge has never been our problem In igboland. Our problem has been the lack men who can dedicate their time, risk their lives and solve our problems.

Ask him the solution and watch him prevaricate.

Nice write up op.

Ofor is not exactly a prayer but a form of blessing or spiritual proclamation. It is the opposite of curse.Ofor is not same with Isee.

efe2real

For your information, the isoko tribe has come to tell the world that they are not Urhobos. So the Urhobos respect their decision and do not go about claiming the Isoko

clown, and you want the world to believe that the same isoko people who hate to share a common senatorial district with you will share a utopian Niger delta republic with you?

Lol. This is really hilarious. If you know anything about Delta State, you will know that many of the tribes are not even happy that aniomas ended up in Delta State.

that is not the issue. the issue is are the tribes happy with you instead? do the tribes prefer you that is calling for Niger delta republic to Igbo's? How can itshekiri and ijaw trust you when you are still fighting over warri. Did one urhobo group not call for the creation of a new state for urhobos when their plan to dominate Delta failed. why did they resolve to have another state and run away from the same group they want to form a country with? clown! someone said anti Igbo sentiment formed the basis of your audio Niger delta republic. Anioma are the only people keeping delta stable. create anioma state and watch delta go up in flames, how much more a warri republic.

The way you guys go about shouting minority on Nairaland. Let me give you a reality check: Igbos are majority on paper only; they are actually minority in Nigeria as things stand at the moment.

clown. Igbo are minority yet you run around crying that the same minority Igbo wants to dominate you. Inferiority complex induced hate can even make you contradict yourself so far as you suits your hateful self.

if the non-igbo speaking MINORITY tribes in the region need the Igbos more than oxygen as you want us to believe, then the MINORITIES are supposed to be the ones attaching themselves to the Igbos, not the other way round.

Everyone knows that the more fragmented a group is the more difficult it is to have a common objective. Mutual mistrust defeats unity of purpose. many people from the Niger delta ethnic groups also grumble out of frustration but their fragmented nature has made them helpless to protest their condition. Naturally any agitation that has implication for the entire eastern region has to start from the Igbos because its size and homogeneity makes for faster and easy communication and mobilization. United kindom started with the kingdom of england, then wales, then Scotland and later ireland. The "neuclus" of the slavic soviet union was Russia. Every great nation has a dominant culture and other related but smaller culture therein.

I thought you guys are a proud people. Where has your pride gone?

yes we are proud. that is why we don't want to continue living like animals. we want to build a new future for our Children. I should rather be asking you if you have shame because you accept the status quo and have no aspirations whatsoever. but rather jump on Biafra thread to seek attention.

I won't be surprised if you have never step your foot in any major cities in the South South region. That's why you believe the propangadas IPOB is dishing out. The funny thing is that there are Igbos in these cities and still yet you guys are so ignorant about the opinions of the non-igbo tribes about Biafra. Go to Warri, Benin, Yenegoa, and Port Harcourt and sample indigenes their opinions about Biafra, then you know that you are even yet to meet the real vocal minority and the hostile majority. Your brother Pazenza has told you guys to do same too.

you don't get the point. All these are non of your failing business. Focus on your urhobo, focus on getting okpe to accept urhobo identity, focus on settling your crisis in warri and gaining the trust of minorities in warri before sticking your neck into how IPOB is doing

Ezza/Ezzilo people dey kill each other because of land. Likewise, Ikwo and Izzi. Another land dispute in Anambra state just graced front page yesterday. Anambra man feels he is superior to all the other Igbos. Ebonyi People na rags other igbos feel say them be. But on Nairaland, Igbos are perfect people. They so much love themselves that Abia state dey sack imo indigenes from their civil service.

clown. you don't know the difference between boundary dispute and inter ethnic dispute. communities all over country have boundary disputes. Even your urhobo had one which cost the lives of several persons barely two months ago. https://thenationonlineng.net/two-killed-one-hospitalized-over-land-dispute-in-delta/

however, ethnic crises are sectarian in nature and portray specific threat to political stability. The Igbo has never had sectarian crisis with any of their neighbours which they want to be part of Biafra. But you fight with ijaw and itshekiri and still pretend to speak for them.

Audio hate! whatever you think Ebonyi are called is absolutely immaterial provided they have everything due them. Their gov. leads the southeast govs. forum and Arthur eze from Anambra is the biggest donor in the state. Many people from Anambra live in Abakiliki and vice versa. Have you heard of Anambra and ebonyi fight and kill themselves the way you fools do over ogbe ijaw.? clown.

Lol. I know quite well that Silent Majority of Niger Delta wants Biafra. Nothing we not go hear for this Nairaland. The group that represents many of the tribes in the South South don't tell una tire to remove them from your so-called Biafra, but una say una must conduct referedum for people when don publicly reject una.

like repob and tribop?

Make IPOB dey deceive una. Hope you are aware that Ijaw hero fought against Biafra? Hope you know there is a day set aside as 'Boro Day' in Bayelsa State? Make IPOB dey deceive una.

ijaw issues shouldn't be the business of an urhobo clown

Lol. I have no choice. Really? The Urhobos have already rejected Biafra. Likewise many tribes in the region. The Urhobos progress union (UPU), that is the body authorized to speak for the Urhobos, has come out to denounce Biafra openly. Please discard anybody that claims to speak for the Urhobos; he wants to scam you guys o.

yes. you have no choice. Go write it down. When a referendum comes you can't stop it. The only way to stop it is to mobilize your people to vote "no".unfortunately you can't because you are alone in your opinion. If you can you wouldn't be in every Biafran thread clowning and following pro Biafrans like flies.

For your information, Biafra is as audio as a Niger Delta republic at the moment.

Biafra is an audio country and you are worked up, running around restless like a headless chicken at the mention of it?

My issue is why you guys are so scared of the MINORITIES unifying?

Clown. you have to first of all ask if anyone is scared. Everybody supports your utopian Niger delta republic provided you get a flag, provide a map, take to the street in peaceful protest, get the support of the EU, US, Israel and make your case to the UN. If you do that we will be first to support you. But then you can't. You only pop up like a notification each time Biafra is discussed to express your inferiority complex. You still wonder why we regard you as someone who doest know his left from right?

The Pazienza you are calling emotionally weak is one of the few pragmatic Biafra agitators I have seen here. I liked most of his posts actually. But greed has so blinded your eyes that you cannot see the salient points he is raising.

Pazienza is now your love because you have brought him down to your level of perpetual confusion, indecision and self loathe. we are not all like him.

nsiba:
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The Igbos silent majority very well knows that Nnamdi KANU is not worth calling a leader, only those with punctured brain sees him as one.
Just as d other minorities hates the Urohobos, Ibibios the same can be said of Ngwas, Bende, Nsukas, Wawas, Mbaise etc too.
Why can't for goodness sake you lot agitate for your 5 known eastern states?
If any group feel interested they will join but definetly under loud mouthed coward like KANU.
Add up the entire land mass of the SE you will see it just a tiny fraction bigger than Akwa Ibom n Cross River, why do you think they have any interest in Kanus leaking mouth Biafra.
Channel all your energy to the 5 SE states and stay off the 4kin bizness of others, there is nothing you know and have seen that we don't know and haven't seen too

see this APC lunatic. you are one of the vocal minority I speak of.

As for the double standards, nobody is agitating for Niger Delta republic yet and no non-igbo speaking group has come out to reject it unlike Biafra. Timing is everything. My post is just informing prophets of doom that a country formed by the non-igbo speaking parts of the south south can thrive successfully.

It is an open secret that some parts of aniomas deny that they are Igbos. So they need to decide themselves where they want to be.

And by the way, what has the Igbos achieve that minorities should start trembling and prostrating when they see an Igbo man? Has the Igbo man transform his land to London and Dubai yet? Is the East not as underdeveloped as the other parts of the country. Has the Igbo man won a Nobel price? Has any Igbo man made it to Forbe's billionaires list? Is every Igbo man a billionaire? Please, come n tell me what an Igbo man has achieved that no one else has done? One thing you guys don't know is that most of us have stayed in the East, so you guys cannot come here and paint a different picture for us.

Every ethnic group has that minority at the periphery who don't identify strongly with rest of their kits and kind. But then Igbo must be different and must be talked about because they are special. Even the small urhobo has okpe and isoko who reject the urhobo tag. how much more if urhobo were to be the size of Igbo. The idoma/igede/agatu is there. ijaw/nembe/ogbia is there. Ibibio/annang/efik/ekoi , ogoni/eleme is there etc. These ones I mentioned reside in one state and manage to reject sharing identity with those they see daily. you can't compare them to Igbo's carved into several states. Even among some of those in Ika who deny their igboness none reject Biafra.

The reason why nobody will take you serious is because of your unbelievable double standards. You claim Igbos want to annex you while including other ethnic groups that share nothing with you in your audio Niger delta republic. you claim Igbo's want to dominate you while stylishly adding some Igboland into your fantasy republic. You have learnt how to use your shout of Igbo domination as a camouflage to steal delta Igbo lands. Everyone knows how the Delta state creation movement of the old delta province included Urhobo/itshekiris/isoko and ijaw forcefully attempted to annex ukwuani into their Delta state. Itsay shagay even argued that Ukwuani were more "comfortable being with them" than their Anioma brothers. They needed ukwuani apparently because of land and natural resources while arguing that the other Igbo's should be kicked into Anambra or better still remain in Edo state who they share affinity with (as if it wasn't urhobos who share affinity with Edo)

Most of you think that the fact that you are called minority gives you the right to deny members of majority groups their own right, thus you have weaponized your minority status.

Anyone who hears you mention of how Igbo's want to do this and that will think you have heaven and earth to offer but some of you need Igbo's more than Igbo's need you.

I used to criticize KANU for adding none Igbo's into Biafra until I learnt one thing -a paradox where the one thing that can make the ethnic groups of the Niger delta to join Biafra is Igbo and the one thing that can make them not to join Biafra is Igbo. The vocal minority among the Niger delta tribes who have personal issues with some Igbo's and are therefore jealous and hateful, usually use the fear of Igbo dominance to scare other tribes against Igbo. But the silent majority among the Niger Delta ethnic groups know they don't get along as individual tribes in Niger delta rather the only thing that binds them together is the Igbo. urhobo for instance is hated by all the tribes in Delta for their domineering attitude. Ijaw hates them, itshekiri hates them, they don't get along with anioma. Even the urhobo themselves complain about how ijaw try to expand/grab land in the region and how they regard Niger Delta struggle as ijaw struggle, leading to ijaw getting most amnesty programme slots.

The Ibibio efik are not different but I will not spend time on them.

My point is that you vocal minority have mastered a way of bullying pro Biafrans silent majority among your people. you vocal minority know how to attack Igbo's using your minority status as a weapon of emotional blackmail against Igbo's on Biafran issue. You know quite well that silent majority of Niger delta want Biafra. That is why you lots shout down the idea of referendum. I have seen folks who tell me "we no wan talk now because Biafran agitation never get head". Two of the present senators from Bayelsa come from a family that fought on Biafra side during Biafra war. They won't show their support openly but when you hear the vocal minority talk you will think Biafra is abomination in these areas.

You have no choice. As far as the world is concerned only IPOB is agitating for referendum now. You either campaign for your urhobo tribe and urhobo alone to join Biafra/or reject Biafra. If you reject Biafra we let you go because we won't gain a single thing from you. trust me.Just leave other tribes to decide for themselves.

Everybody will regard you as a drunkard if all you do is to type about Niger delta republic when ever IPOB makes progress on Biafra. The world only count people who stand up to demand what they want not deluded folks who can't even talk on the street about what the claim they want. You have succeeded in Blackmailing emotionally weak folks like pazienza but tough people like us will always be here to cure your type of madness which involves dragging other ethnic groups who don't want you while accusing Igbo's of same.

efe2real:
When last did you hear of ethnic crises in Warri? Is Warri not even a testimony that any union with the other tribes in the region will work. There are 3 tribes in Warri, yet they have not killed themselves. Apart from 1999 crises, has any major crises occur in Warri ? Hope you are aware that the cause of the 1999 Warri crises was caused because the headquarters of Warri south west was shifted from Ogbe-Ijoh to Ogidigben? It wasn't really a matter that started from Warri itself, but it spilled over to Warri. So it wasn't cause by a land dispute; politics was the actual cause, which will be discussed and agreements can be reached.

So Y will there be a war when everybody knows their boundary.

For Itsekiris and Ijaw towns offshore, they are living in peace in Nigeria, so I don't know why anything will change outside Nigeria?

Things will change outside Nigeria because people that control of security structure will change. During the warrior crisis the itshekiri accused the armed forces of siding with the ijaws. Imagine a situation where either of the warring ethnic groups will control the structure of the armed forces in your future country. sometimes I wonder why IPOB had to include the that western Niger delta(warri area) in Biafra map but I realized that settlement in this area is so intertwine that it is often a source of conflict. you can't seperate each from the rest without triggering sectarian conflict and land dispute .There is so much mistrust among them. During the agitation for delta state creation, itshekiris were not enthusiastic like the urhobo who feel it's their state. In fact ownership claims over warri was the reason itshekiris opposed the idea of making it capital of Delta state. This is why I shake my head when some of you from urhobo grandstand with the nebulous idea of a Niger delta republic.

Beautifulminde3:
They once told us Osun IGR is far bigger than Southeast put together the former governor said they can survive without FG allocation

Few months after the propaganda oil price dropped Osun was bankrupt, civil servants started erecting IDP camps seeking help from Nigerians.

Same state Tinubu once claimed he is richer today is third state with least poverty index according to Yemi Kale

same thing was told about education. Ekiti has the highest number of academicians, osun has the highest number of proffessors etc until facts silenced them.

same claim was made about population using the CIA factbook until CIA reviewed their data placing Igbo more populous than them.

Same was said about osun economy until the state went bankrupt and couldn't pay salaries. They have now moved to doctoring poverty numbers.

I don't like maduro, he imposed himself on the country. I don't like yuan guaido, he sounds power drunk for calling for foreign military intervention in his contry. I don't like military intervention, it could destabilize the country. The best would have been a coup and fresh election.

The story by aljazeera made it look like an exclusively Eastern stuff against.