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Pazienza

you said no one is dividing igbos. If the reverse were the case, and the British needed the north divided as away of controlling the country, do you think Hausa language will be taught in the minority states of the north? do you think hausa will be promoted systematically while allowing minority first languages of the north to go into extinction? Do you even think there would be anything like "Hausa fulani" as a single ethnic group.
Do you know the British govt barred missionaries from entering into emirates and muslim strongholds in northern Nigeria as well as sudan? Islam, fulanism and Hausa language were used to unify the north while Fear of igbo dominance and resources were used to divide Eastern region (including southern cameroon) and to keep it divided, in other to achieve their longterm objective of controlling Nigeria. Do you know that while the east gave minorities power, The NPC had as its motto "one north" while also having as their unsaid motto "several souths" .
It started with the western region crisis which lead to the creation of midwest through a referendum and ended with the forceful partitioning of the eastern region. Although states were also created in the north, they were merely political boundaries. political and religious dynamics in the north which favoured their unity under Hausa Fulani and Islamic identity was untouched while political dynamics in the east which favoured the rallying together of Eastern minorities around a homogeneous and united Igbo race in building a progressive region and one of the fastest growing economy in the world was altered. This is why You have Ohaneze for Igbos, Afenifere for Yoruba's and instead of having Arewa for Hausa/Fulani alone, you have it for the entire north which is only half populated by them.
If you are on ground as you say you will know that the claim of Christians being minority in the north is make-believe. North is 50/50 between muslims and Christians, which means than muslims are large minority in Nigeria. Many northern minorities dont want anything to do with hausa/fulani ( jerry gana example) But they are helpless since the system is already in the control of the hausa fulani muslim. your impression that Northern minorities are comfortable with Hausa/Fulani's because they speak their language is absolutely unfounded. Don't underestimate the role a system plays in shaping the workings of a society.

pazienza:
Armaggedon :





Irrelevant question. When Ijaws come to marry Igbos, do they identify as Igbos?

It is not irrelevant. Ijaws dont identify as Igbos during marriage but Ikwerres do use kinship ties as a bargaining ship during marriage negotiations. That's the difference. When the issues of creation of Bayelsa out of river state rose the ikwerres approached Azikiwe and Ukiwe on the basis of kinship and appealed for the support. I've seen ikwerre guys complain in PH how ijaws help each other but ikwerres rather help Igbo's. The Ikwerres and their co conspirators know how to play on your emotions by getting things from you when they need you, and using audio denial to keep you from DEMANDING a reciprocity because they know they can't reject such demand.

pazienza:
Nigeria government don't dictate for people who to marry or not marry. If marriage unite people, Nigeria will be united, because Nigerians have been inter marrying for ages.
Many Igbos are married to Yorubas and vice versa, marriage never solved anything. It shows nothing, it's a personal decision and can be annulled at any moment by parties involved.





Yes, marriage is a personal issue, you dont tell adults who or who not to marry, you don't have control over that. The most you can do is to put conditions in place that reward those who marry within the group.
To decide who is Igbo is simple. Those groups like Ikwerres already claimed they are not Igbos and have floated their independent ethnic nationality. You simply expel all Ikwerre persons from Ohanaeze Ndiigbo and all Igbo groups, then you issue communique informing the public that Ikwerres and co are not Igbos.
If Ikwerres wish to challenge it. They should speak through Ogbako Ikwerre and denounce ever floating an independent ethnicity outside Igbo.
If they don't, like I suspect they wouldn't, then we would have gotten our wish done. Simple.

marriage is a personal issue but audio denial is an ethnic issue?

pazienza:
We don't have the power to tell them who to appoint. But we have the power to ensure they and the world know that whoever they picked outside our recognized Igbo ethnic map, is not Igbo and do not represent us.

don't be ridiculous. You don't have such power. There is a reason why every ethnic group is recognized all over the world by their first language instead of how they choose to identify. That is why you have German speaking pple, Igbo speaking pple etc instead of German identifying pple. The issue of identity is purely politics. It follows that no Igbo person has the right to declare a fellow igbo as a non Igbo for political gain. If you make such move, the world will not listen to you cos you all are seen as igbos. If you lack the political tact devoid of emotions to handle it, nobody and no amount of cries will do it for you. The Europe of today had numerous nations states, athens, sparta, yorkshire, etc before nationalists fought, unified them along national lines and created nations states.

pazienza:
When Buhari insinuated that Emefiele and Kachiukwu were Igbos, Ndiigbo couldn't contest it, because as of today, Ohaneze Ndiigbo and all relevant Igbo organizations still recognize Ika(Emefiele)and Enu-ani (Kachiukwu) as part of parcel of Igboland and indeed do have persons from those parts as members of Ime-obi of Ohanaeze.
If we had done the house cleaning early on, and for example denounced Enu-ani and Ika, and went on to no longer welcome persons from there in Ohanaeze Hierarchy, we would have been able to respond to Buhari question by emphatically stating that those persons are not Igbos and so couldn't be our representatives.
For example, because we don't claim GEJ Ogbia as Igbos nor do we have people from there as members of our organizations, we could afford to support GEJ, without anyone saying that GEJ presidency was Igbo presidency.

if ohaneze's recognition is your criterion why don't you accept Ikwerres also cos they are recognized by ohaneze?

pazienza:
Don't be funny, we reserve the rights on who is and isn't Igbo. Ohanaeze Ndiigbo is funded by SE states governments.
Ohanaeze Ndiigbo is the Igbo apex organization. Any one we say is not part of us, is not part of us.
Don't be ridiculous. We don't have the power to stop the denials, no one ever had the power to make lovers of haters. Buy they always have the powers to quarantine themselves from haters by simply avoiding them.

you're overtly emotional in how you conceive these issues. Ohaneze ndigbo is itself insignificant. Who told you that once you're not in ohaneze you cease to be Igbo. Is there any ohaneze in your constitution? Your govt recognizes who they want as Igbo whenever they like and nothing happens. Even the int. community will keep mute whenever the person is from the Igbo speaking area. what has your ohaneze done to integrate Igbo's in equatorial guinea?

pazienza:
I have evidence that the average Ikwerre, Ogba, Ekpeye, Etche man want to have nothing to do with Ndiigbo or Igbo language. Rivers state is not far away. Anyone interested can always visit and find out on their own.

how can you say that an Igbo speaking people don't want to associate with what they speak?
again, you speak of marriage as a personal thing that shouldn't be used as an evidence of closer ties and then want me to believe that how an average ikwerre choose to associate ( which is much more personal) is an "evidence" of their ethnic identity. what's the source of your confusion?

pazienza:
The BBC are business oriented and have to carter for the wishes of their audience, I know this because that's what is obtainable in business world.

No. they are politics oriented. They belong to the British govt and are funded by them reasonably. They are their propaganda tool. Fredrick forsyth was recalled for reporting the civil war how it happened instead of how British govt wanted it to be seen. Their views always reflect the british govt policy and Eastern region is no different. You and i know that if Bbc Igbo report every success recorded by ipob or even report killings by herdsmen fairly, their follower ship and profit will rise geometrically. the question is why is it not so?

pazienza:
The Northern minorities are comfortable with Hausa language, I have been there. Every sincere person knows this, but your emotions of always looking for who to blame (FG, Britain, Hausa-Fulani, Non Igbo minorities, etc) have blinded you.

That wasn't your initial claim. Northern minorities also speak Hausa. That is well known and no one disputed that. But no northern minority will formally want to be addressed in Hausa. Non will consent to that. Tiv, junkun,idoma, nupe and those from jos have their languages. But it has been the policy of the Britain and fulani establishment to promote Hausa in the north as a means of unifying the north and increasing their dominance over the rest of the country, divide Eastern region by replacing igbo with pidgin.That was what they did.

pazienza:
The Ikwerre, Ogba, Etche, Ekpeye want nothing that links them to Igbo. And that's exactly what Igbo language is. Hausa language is taught in schools virtually all Northerner states, bar Benue,Kogi, and Kwara. Igbo is not taught in Rivers state, because that's how the native wants it. Nobody is dividing the East. Those Igboids want nothing to do with you, stop blaming everyone else (FG, Britain, Ijaws,Hausa-Fulani, Yoruba) for their actions. It's pathetic.

Funny you! The truth is that those ikwerre ogba etche etc care less if the igbo language is taught in rivers or not. The fact that they are not taught is actually more of what the establishment want than what the natives want. majority of igbo deniers are audio deniers. whether wike, amaechi or any figure in their state says he is igbo or denys igbo non of them will even raise eyebrow except they continue scaring and emotionally bruising people like you with " I am not Igbo" .
That's the truth.

pazienza:
Important opinions are formed by sampling the individual opinion of the vast majority of the people in question, the opinion their elites, and opinions of their organizations.
The Ikwerre man in street of Obio Akpor is very Igbophobic, the Ikwerre elites led by Ogbakor Ikwerre are Igbophobic. Ikwerres on their Facebook pages are strongly Igbophobic. Why have you chosen to be willfully blind and continue to deny the obvious? You are emotional when you refuse to accept the reality, but choose to hold unto wishes and delusions.

Lol. Which ikwerre group cos i follow every ethnic group on face book? If it is the group i know ( that has about four thousand of their pple) then i am aware the hateful and dss paid fool who control it has since been silenced by people who put aside emotion in handling delicate issues.

Ogbakor ikwerre was formed by people like elechi amadi after the civil war so you should expect nothing less than what they are doing. Its all political grandstanding and make- believe.

pazienza:
The Ikwerre elites know the game Amaechi was playing. He claimed he is Igbo because he understands Igbo language. Not really because he is Igbo
And recently, he talked about why Igbos would struggle to produce presidency, and in that rant, he referred to Igbos as "they ".
Someone is playing you, and you can't even see it, because you can't get past your emotions.

funny you again. when it comes to those of them who proclaim their igboness you claim they are playing politics but when it comes to those of them who speak Igbo, associate with Igbo, marry Igbo but SAY they are not Igbo, you easily forget they are the ones playing politics.

pazienza:
What's this supposed to mean? APGA once won a seat in Nasarawa or so. APGA is a national party.

you like to sound like they really don't want to associate with anything Igbo. And i asked why apga which is Igbo personified made an impressive showing in 2011. people actually turned out during rallies despite having no fund for campaign an apga's lethargic leadership. so stop shifting goal post.

pazienza:
Nnamdi Kanu is not a serious person. Dude parked in Obiigbo and gyrated all day with Igbos there, then left and claimed he went to Ph.
He could have come to Rumu villages and test his popularity there.
I doubt you have ever been to Rumu villages before, you come across to me like someone who doesn't even know anything about what's on ground in these areas.

That is not how to check polularity. Kanu's popularity will be tasted through a fair and un monitored referendum. You know what? you have nothing meaningful to prove that we don't get along except that you are bruised by their audio denial. Police record show that the number of those arrested in ph during the first protest included almost half ikwerre/etche while the rest include efik/ibibio and Igbos residents.
Kanus rally in Obigbo included Ikwerre chiefs, obigbo and ijaw leaders. Ipob members were killed in ph the same way they were killed in Nkpor and Asaba. They are being opposed the rivers state govt the same way they are opposed by south east govt. If anything the south east leaders have betrayed Biafrans more that those who deny igbo. They the SE govs and ohaneze you love to reverence came together and proscribed their own armless people seeking self determination. was wike or okowa present? Do you think a foremost Igbo leader like Nnia nwodo who proscribed his own people will hesitate to deny his igboness like those in Rivers if opportunity comes? It is all caused by the fulani controlled system which maked igbo denial lucrative. even kanu had to admit sometime ago that he doesnt blame SE govt because the fulanis held them by the balls.

pazienza:
Do you know that you can't buy land in Ogbaland as an Igbo man?
A Yoruba man would buy, Hausa will buy, heck! A man from Namibia will buy, but Nwa isoma cannot buy.

any evidence aside hearsay?

pazienza:
Northern minorities are all comfortable with Hausa language as their ligua franca. This is not even up for debate.
We are not talking about forming Arewa republic for now.
We are dissecting why BBC Igbo didn't include Rivers Igboid, but included Delta Igbos.
They merely reflected the reality on ground, which you don't know because you are not a grassroot person, or you know but prefer the bliss that ignorance offers.

you have already been captured by the emotions which audio Igbo denial trigger that you no longer think rationally. You speak of lingua franca. If it interests bbc they can actually open a tiv channel to promote the language, they can open a nupe or even pidgin channel. It's all a matter of their interest and long standing british govt policy in Nigeria. It is never a matter of what the people want or what the people are comfortable with. Why are they covering the herdsmen killings? because it doesnt help British govt and their fulani allies. It is all politics. There is no such thing as middle belt being comfortable with hausa. Stop sounding ridiculous.

pazienza:
Go to Rumu villages or Omoku and tell them they are Igbo. They will kill you. Your Demi god, Nnamdi Kanu will not try it. He knows the truth, because he has Igbo members there, but he isn't interested in that, because he has a different agenda?

still repeating same old stuff.

pazienza:
Those Igboids opted for severance from us. They threw us under the bus when we needed them. The Hausa-Fulani might have helped their cause, they (Hausa/Fulani)served merely as catalysts, but that's exactly what they(Igboids) wanted.
Ikwerres were the ones who renamed all Umus to Rumus, they are the ones who mutilated their names to wash off any Igbo in them, it was not done by any Hausa Fulani.
Wike named a public structure after Gowon recently, and made funny comments about Ndiigbo during the opening ceremony, it was not done by Hausa-Fulanis.
Ekwueme was the one who proposed SS. It wasn't Hausa Fulani. Those lots Igbophobia had reached a crescendo and Ekwueme knew we needed a space from them. Do you know that in the presidential elections of 1979 and 1983, Awolowo and Shagari got more votes from Rivers state, than Zik did. That's the natural default settings of the people , it was not done by your imaginary BBC, Hausa/Fulani , or Yoruba enemies.
And by the way, there is nothing like Eastern region, it's defunct and stopped existing since 1970. There is nothing like SE and SS. It's simple SE. This madness needs to stop already.

I'd rather have you say they "were severed from us" Because the so called igboid never really agitated for a state. It was ijaw and ogoni. The state was forcefully partitioned by gowon without a referendum. The rumu change you speak of was also forcefully changed not by an Igboid govt but by a fulani mole diete spiff. while you may say it has tacit support of many ikwerre, you cant directly hold them responsible for that if you want to be reasonable.
wike made a public comment about ndigbo but your ohaneze leader proscribed armless igbo youths. Which is worse?

Azikiwe was never a major candidate during the election after his betrayal during the war. Shagari had Ekwueme as vice and granted pardon to ojukwu . which favoured Igbo more?

Yes ekwueme came with the idea of SS but the establishment accepted it because it accorded with their vision. If Ekwueme came up with the idea of Biafra at that point do you think the establishment will accent to it? If you are naive to believe SS stuff was ekwueme's making then you must believe zik removed referendum from our constitution.

pazienza:
This is my issue with you lots, you are busy chasing shadows and leaving real deal.
Who told you that Umuezekoha are not under any pressure?
The people have been so much marginalized for being Igboid in Benue state that many Benue people don't even know they exist. They enrolled into Biafran army during the war and have not been forgiven for it by their neighbors. They have no roads, no drinkable water source, nobody in government. It's almost like they don't exist. They have every reason to disclaim Igbo, declare new ethnicity, start bashing Igbos to please their neighbors, and maybe they might be forgiven, but they haven't, and because of it, you think they are not under any pressure. You rather run after opportunists in Ikwerre and make excuses for them for their shameful actions, by blaming everyone from Britain to FG, Hausa/Fulani, Ijaws, BBC, etc and finally Pazienza.
Nde-ewo. Jisike.

Does marginalization draw people closer to the pple who marginalize them? when people are under pressure to deny their identity it means they are lured with attractive privileges in order to deny their true identity for political gains. so far umuezeokoha are being marginalized they will keep their true identity .Delta state for instance is not structured in a way that makes the Igbo deniers the rallying point unlike rivers state. That is why okowa who comes from Ika area is proudly Igbo and even trying to unify Igbo groups in the state. Igbo identity has earned him governorship position because it is zoned. and it happened that proud Igbos of enuani serve as the rallying point of some sort for Delta North. if the ukwuani or ika were more powerful, enuani will have no choice than to follow suit.

pazienza:
Urhobo and Isoko have always been distinct from the beginning.
The main example should be Urhobo and Okpe, and mind you, Urhobo people are not taking it so easy with Okpe lukewarm attitude to Urhobo ethnic nationality . Efik and Ibibio have always been distinct. You should have used Ijaw and Nembe, Ogonis don't take Eleme recent denials lightly. It has always been a source pain for them. If Nembe and Okpe end up declaring independent ethnic, the Ijaws and Urhobo will not take it lightly.

you deliberately forgot other examples i gave. Btw Isoko and Urhobo were one at the begining and understand themselves more than ijaw people. It just happened that the Bristh colonialist met them as seperate tribes. Efik and ibibio are one but they failed to unify with an umbrella name like ijaw who are made up of many mutually unintelligible languages. The same thing that unified the ijaws with mutually unintelligible languages in Bayelsa, unified north under arewa despite dissenting voices, is the same force that divides the more homogeneous Igbo nations. Its called politics. But your problem is that you don't tackle it from the political angle, you follow the emotional angle.



So far the we run an anti Igbo system, a system which makes Igbo denial a viable and lucrative political adventure, a system which associate Igbo denial with upward 'political mobility'. Things like this will continue. Dismantle it and see politics follow its natural order.

donbachi:
Allocations+internally generated revenues dem no still fine pass China...is it not a thing of shame...see Wetin lagos dey do.

I didn't see China in the topic so let's stick to it.

donbachi:
Na from Gabon dia monthly allocations from dey come....abi.

Start by telling us how "monthly allocation" developed the cities.

This is a machine!

jimyjames:
Sorry but its not for afonjas, help yourself with this

hey! pls you should put "viewer discretion' on that picture.

Frenchkiss564:
The growth of Abuja is due to the fact that it is the seat of the central government and nothing more. It is not industrialised neither does it contribute anything worthwhile to the national purse. Abuja is like an obessed child leeching solely on the oil of the nigerdelta.

Same with the growth of Lagos, isn't it?

pazienza:
Armaggedon:



No one gives them preference over non Igbos in marriages. Igbos intermarry with all minority ethnic groups in defunct Eastern region. From Ijaw, to Ogoni, to Ibibio/Annang/Efik, to Ekoids.

Smh Not exactly true but ill let that pass.

pazienza:
It just so happened that Ikwerre men have insatiable taste for Igbo women rather than marrying their own women, the prefer to marry our ladies, they even discuss about it in their forums, it's a big issue for them.

when they come to to marry Igbos do they identify as ikwerre or Igbos? most do identify as Igbos.

pazienza:
Marriage issues are not national issues,they are individual issues, so I don't know the naivety you speak of.

marriage issues are not national issues? go and tell that to nigerian govt that gives out wads of cash to corp members who marry outside their " tribe" to promote " national integration", go and tell that to people who marry in a country to gain national citizenship or nations that use heavy intermarriage to make a case against seperatism. Generally marriage patterns are used to gauge how well groups get along, this is why govt can do anything to see inter marriage happen.

pazienza:
We don't have control over this. But we have control over who should be Igbo and who shouldn't,

don't you sound funny? you don't have control over who YOU GIVE your daughters to but you have control over who is Igbo? pray tell how?

pazienza:
we have the power to ensure that Igboid groups who want to exploit our pains at the hands of FG for their own clannish upflitment are thwarted.

do you have the power to stop Fulani controlled apc from giving Igbo presidency slot to amaechi and easily making him president? did you stop buhari from recognizing kachikwu and emefiele as Igbos who held igbo slots? but when it suits him he'll recognize them as SS? can you stop the FG from brandishing their names as Igbos when they commit crimes?

pazienza:
We have the power to ensure that only groups willing to suffer with us and beat the FG hurdles gets the right to be Igbo. We have the power to weed off and baracade off opportunists like Ikwerres who has cunningly mastered the delicate act of taking advantage of our own pains for their own political and economic advancement.

what powers do Igbos have in the nigerian politics? If Igbos have this powers you speak of there wouldnt be Igbo denial in the first place. This is one fact you don't seem to acknowledge.

pazienza:
Again, you speak of things not within our control, while I speak on things within our control. We are Igbos,we might not be able to decide who is Igbo, but we sure have the power to decide who isn't.

contradiction

pazienza:
We simply expel them from our ethnic organizations, and raise hell whenever any Nigerian tries to label them Igbos. We do this, we would have set a solid foundation for out next advancement.

What strategic Igbo interest does that project? well, that's exactly what an emotional market woman would do

pazienza:
This is my problem with people like you. Your emotions blind you from seeing what's is starring right at you. You keep making up excuses for those Igbophobic Igboids in Rivers state, you are too emotional to see the truth. You blame everyone but those Igboids for their own actions, you blame their fellow minorities,especially the Ijaws for Igboids Igbophobia, you blame the FG, now you are blaming BBC.

yes! they are all the causes

pazienza:
Did it not occur to you that those Igboids were not included in BBC Igbo, because unlike you who sit in your arm chair and making up your own opinions based on sentiments and emotions, the BBC crew actually visited those communities, carried out research and found out they wanted nothing to do with anything relating to Igbo, hence why they were not put in BBC Igbo?

No. you rather are the one driven by emotions without answering critical questions. your emotions drove you into making the assumption that BBC made such research. Do you have any evidence that they did such? Do you think that the northern minorities and middle belt will consent to such arrangement by if asked by Bbc ?

pazienza:
If given option between Igbo and Hausa language, these people will choose Hausa language.

assumptions assumptions assumptions! There should be no " ifs" but facts

pazienza:
BBC did no wrong, BBC unlike you are not interested in foisting things on people, they obeyed the people wish.

bbc did wrong because they seem to be operating with too policies in nigeria. Approaching the north on the basis of "who hear hausa" while approaching the East not in the basis of those who hear Igbo but on the basis of those "who say they are Igbos and those who say they are not" . With the implication of unifying the north and furthering division in the East. It is a longstanding policy of the fulani govt and their British allied. stop getting hysterical

pazienza:
In Delta Igbo, there is a very good balance of Anti and Pro Igbo groups, with Asaba/Prof Edozien being pro Igbo and Asaba being the most important city in Anioma,the pro Igbo group there will always win it.
I belong to an Enuani facebook page, when BBC Igbo did a documentary on Asaba massacre and on a female pilot from Ibuzo and it posted on the group.
Not a single voice in the group contested why they were being grouped as Igbo. They all related with the language. Even the characters there who were against being labelled Igbo on a different thread there , had no problem with BBC labelling them Igbo.

important opinions and policies are not formed based on Facebook observation. Not even by inter action. They are formed by significant events, trend and pattern of response to issues. only emotional people take such serious.

pazienza:
Let BBC Igbo try and run a documentary on an Ogba, Etche or Ikwerre person and try to pass them off as Igbos, hell will break lose.
You might like to continue engaging in self deceit, but I don't.

Hell didn't let loose when amaechi said he is Igbo, huh?
Hell didnt let loose when Ipob have been protesting and holding rallies in PH
Hell didn't let loose against radio Biafra but it going to let loose against BBC?

Hell didn't let loose when apga got an impressive result without campaigns in Rivers state in 2011

Hell hasn't let loose on the increasing Igbo language bill boards in port Harcourt

you make so many assumptions based on prejudice. If Nnamdi KANU had an emotional mindset like yours IPOB would've died a long time ago.

pazienza:
Northern minorities hold not a single animosity towards Hausa people and Hausa language, they don't consider Hausas threat, neither do they hate anything relating to Hausa, if you ever lived in the North, you will know this.

That is a lie from the pit of hell. Middle belt can play along with the arewa tag because arewa simply means north, but when it come to ethnicity a tiv, birom, igala, idoma, or those from jos can slap you for calling them hausa. Jerry gana openly declared there were not going to share a country with Hausa in case of break up. Many middle belt leader such as Danjuma, useni re echo that. were they not the ones who propose takuruku republic?

pazienza:
Because IPOB hierarchy are only interested in emotionalism and not pragmatism, just like you are currently exhibiting.

No you are the one being caught up in the emotions of seeing Igbos tell you they are not one?

pazienza:
Nobody is dividing Igboland. Nobody can divide a people who want to stay together. Those Igboids will die than be called Igbo, the Hausa-Fulani did nothing, better stop the self deceit.

Igboland partitioned itself in 1967? Igboland renamed umu to rumu? Igboland created South south? Igboland cut off south east from access to the sea? Igboland killed obi wali? Igboland partitioned south east nigeria into south east and south south? Igboland refused to conduct ethnic census in Nigeria to avoid answering the identity question in Nigeria and defining proper ethnic boundary? That's a height of delusion from you. When i was staying in Enugu around 2010, radio nigeria network center commenced a news program which broadcast news in the entire Eastern region (se&ss ). it was later stop. i learnt it was on the orders from above. It is not just about igbo denial but thr tacit govt policy which encourage and sustain it.

pazienza:
The Hausa-Fulani did nothing without the cooperation of those Igboids, they Hausa- Fulani only helped them achieve their heart wishes. The Umuezekhoha clan are in Benue (Northern Nigeria) they have been there since 1970, yet still retain their Igbo identity and long for unification with us till today. The Yorubas in Kogi have been in Northern region since 1938, yet they identify as Yorubas and always proud to relate with Yorubas, recently when SW started Amotekun, the Kogi and Kwara leaders sent letters to SW leaders to include them. BBC crew did their homework and found out the people were comfortable with their Yoruba identity, hence why they were put in BBC Yoruba.

umuezeokoha are not under any pressure. There are yoruba deniers in Kogi and kwara but they do not handle it with so much emotion like you do. Saraki never agrees he is yoruba, many ilorin people will never see eye to eye with yorubas.

Not just yoruba many groups have this problem despite not facing any pressure like Igbos yet they handle it without crying. urhobo and isoko, efik and ibibio, idoma and igede, idoma and agatu, ogoni and eleme, Ijaw and central delta come to mind

pazienza:
The tact here would be to completely acknowledge Ikwerre and their bandwagoners(Etche, Ogba, Ekpeye, etc) independence clamour by expelling Ikwerre persons from all Igbo organizations and making sure to publicly disgrace any Ikwerre who tries to claim Igbo in public.
Then we can reach out to Ikwerre, Ogba, Ekpeye, etc as independent ethnic groups and as mere neighbours and nothing more, just as we reach out to Ijaws, Ogoni, etc, and device means to work on our freedom.
The Dimka didn't work with other ethnic groups in South Sudan as members of Dimka ethnic group, but as independent ethnic groups of their own.
We can and should still work with Ikwerres in matters of mutual interests, but never as members of Igbo ethnic group, if for any reason our interest involves throwing Ikwerres under the bus, we should not blink an eye to do it, knowing fully well that when reversed, they will not hesitate to do same to us.

you are confused. you speak of disgracing them and speak of working with them. Emotions is getting the better part of you. If you believe the hate to associate with you why would you believe they can work with you? both hinge on them agreeing with you.

The problem we face is largely cause by the Igbophobic structure of the country. Better man up, be reasonable by adopting a paternalistic approach to the issue. Else we keep whining and the Igbo race will pay for it.

selemempe:
but then again Amarabae is naive. She once said that Igbos don't need presidency...we should leave the north and west to be president because it is only bragging rights?

Very naive and emotional people who know nothing about bridge building and creating nations....

I don't bother about the opinion of amarabae and ChinenyeN because they have a history of emotional approach to Igbo identity issues. Meleszenawi himself is even anti Biafra. I only have problem with pazienza who has been a pan Igbo champion but has allowed frustrations arising from Igbo denials get the better part of him that he started doing the opposite of what he was known for.

Amarabae:
Wike wife is not from IMO state, point of correction.
Don't care about rest of the crap you wrote there

should an emotional person care to reason?

Amarabae:
Mind you, am a Rivers indigene, married to anambra state.
When I talk about ph, you keep quiet.
I trust ikwerre people, you deluded junks will continue getting it hot from them

but you are the deluded and emotional one. how do you access how people get along?

If you were not emotional you would have known that "audio Igbo denial" is a tactic meant not inflame passions of the emotionally weak and keep him from having a closer relationship with the denier, while the denier gets everything he needs from you. Wike married from IMO, Amaechi from anambra just like the majority of them. How can someone marry and Igbo and even swear heaven on earth that he is Igbo and later you take his audio denial serious?

You prove you're not one with a tribe by action not by word. An Igbo can never contemplate marrying a Hausa Fulani or even Yoruba if not that many are forced to live in Lagos.

Here you are taking a group of people serious for just saying they're not Igbo while sharing the same voting patterns, marriage patterns etc with you. I am not in favour of telling people in their face they are Igbo's cos that will achieve no result except giving them a false sense of importance but, believing they are not Igbo's on the basis of an ordinary audio denial and even using that to exclude some people in our political vision is utterly naive.

politics, life entirely and its ramifications is not for the emotionally weak.
An emotionally weak person is the one who sees his house burning and out of a raging anger tries to fight the fire with fire, forgetting that it is water that works.

An emotionally weak person is the one that razes his house because he got angry after failing to catch the mouse that entered into the house.

When kidnapers take any of your relative hostage, they place a call on you. After saying many unpleasant things against you, your loving relative will agree with them and even ask you to release money for his freedom. Only the emotionally weak will get mad at the relation for agreeing under the influence of those armed men instead of fighting for his release. It is make-believe and there is a lot of it in politics. I know it hurts seeing a fellow Igbo mock other Igbo's even with strangers but we remain fools if we get carried away by that, cos that is exactly how the system which encourage their attitude want us to respond.

I understand that Igboland is the only ethnic group without internal ethnic separatism prior independence, unlike yoruba where ijebus claims separate and the Yoruba's had to surrender to colonialism and subsequently had to allow awolowo lead the race just to put that in check, unlike urhobo and isoko, Ibibio and efik, Idoma and igede, Ijaw and central delta, and presently ogoni and eleme. Igbo unity and exclusivism was envied by neighbours and Fulani govt alike. Igbo unity meant that the minorities around Igbo's needed the Igbo's more and had no choice than to rally round the igbos and build a prosperous region. it also meant that the minorities had to be integrated into the Igbo values system of hardwork, peace and progressiveness.
The minorities had agitations for state creation in the eastern region but that doesn't automatically translate to a victory if it was put to a referendum like the western region. Even the Fulani govt knew it. Hence breaking the eastern region meant that some Igbo groups had to be partitioned into rivers and cross rivers state without referendum, thwart Igbo unity and its attendant values of hardwork and development. Imagine what rivers would've been without the upland- another useless state like bayelsa.

It is a huge political victory for Igbo's that eastern region was partitioned without referendum. Every ethnic homeland partitioned have the right to sue for reunification just like East and west Germany did, North ireland and Irish free state on the one hand, and North and south Korea are all suing. This is the political angle, while people like pazienza and ChinenyeN are engrossed with emotional side which takes no one anywhere.

ChinenyeN:
I cannot take all the credit. My eke is also responsible for the gift of such a mentality.

Eke don't give defeatist mentality

ChinenyeN:
Enyi. Leave that talk of two, three, four hundred years into the distant future. In that same vein, Igbo might not even survive. It's a moot discussion. This is the here and now. As I said, I personally consider it a waste and will not suggest anyone endeavoring for such inclusivity. You on the other hand don't want to be "defeatists", so continue expending your energy. As I've already said, your chi will decide with you if two hundred years from now, Ikwerre + Igbo are one and if your sentiments and efforts were worth it (if there is even an Ikwerre or Igbo by that time).

Hehehe ana eme nu
what a mentality you have.

pazienza:
At the bold. And what do you think I have been trying to do?
We allowed them to enjoy playing the game, by keeping the door of Igbohood open to them.
So they can cunningly come in at their volition and claim Igbo when conditions are right, and also sneak out to claim non Igbo when conditions are not favorable.

Common sense dictates that we deal with them first and foremost, before we start talking about Hausa-Fulanis. Hausa-Fulanis would not be playing the game without Ikwerre and their co travellers co-operation.

How we deal with them is to make the Igbo ethnicity a tight one, by ensuring that there would be no place for Ikwerres and every other chameleonic unstable Igboid groups, within the Igbo ethnic nationality. We simply ban Ikwerre sons from taking part in Igbo gatherings, we send any of them in our midst back to Ogbakor Ikwerre, and we send strong warnings through print media and social media to any opportunist Ikwerre that ever tries to claim Igbo, like Amaechi once did. We make it a point of duty to imprint on the mind of all Ikwerres that they will no longer be accepted in Igbo gatherings and they will no longer be allowed to claim Igbo at any point in time. We become very stoic and aggressive, in denouncing any attempt by other Nigerians to label Ikwerre persons as Igbo.

It's time we started looking out for ourselves. We will no longer be anyone or group "shock absorber". Let everyone go bear their father's surname. The era of freeloading should be over.

That's were you're showing your naivety. until you stop Igbos from giving them preferential treatment over non Igbo's in marriage matters.

Until you stop your govt from making the east pay for their sins while rewarding them as minorities in matters of natural resources.

until you make your govt operate a clearly defined ethnic boundary, ethnic population figures not just for indigenous language and cultural preservation, but to ensure that policies have a clearly defined path, then your rants will go unnoticed. These are structural issues designed by fulani govt supported by britain. It should be handled in a reasonable way.

BBC held a townhall last year. Bbc Hausa did for north which includes many non Hausa speakers, BBC Yoruba did for sw including Lagos and kwara, while BBC Igbo did for SE and Delta Igbo excluding an Igbo majority Rivers state, which was left to BBC pidgin to conduct.

If BBC could do it in Hausa for the entire north without considering other non ethnic hausas, why doing it in pidgin in rivers state were majority speak Igbo? is there any ethnic group in Nigeria that speak pidgin as their first language?

why do you think IPOB always call out BBC?

They were only acting out a policy handed to them by the British and Fulani govt. A policy targeted at unifying the north and Dividing Igboland.

It's called identity politics and its largely (but not entirely) caused by state partitioning instead of state creation. There is a lot of make-belief in politics. Dismantle the Fulani imposed structure which place Igbo's against each other and watch that fizzle away. Your ranting is counter productive.

When Northern Sudan saw that self determination in south was gathering pace, Sudan's govt partitioned south Sudan in away that would trigger mutual suspicion among the southern groups as they did in the Eastern region. But dimka the biggest group in the south handled it with tact and today, they are free. This is what I expect to do instead of the emotion laden approach of cutting your nose to spite your face in frustration.

pazienza:
I have seen this your narrative before, whereby you try to make the Igboids victims and their non Igbo neighbors the devils who are to be blamed for the Igboids Igbophobia.
That perspective is old and a laughable one. There is simply no justification for their behavior.
They are no victims like you would want to point out. The Ikwerre for instance have been the masters of Rivers state since 1999 and could be anything they like, but they chose to be Igbophobic.
The Igbophobia of Ikwerre is exactly why Oyiigbo indigenes are currently considering breaking out from Igbo ethnic group, if only to see whether the Ikwerre controlled Rivers state government would stop neglecting the place and show them some love.

On the bold. Keep deceiving yourself. Keeping living in the past, and see where that gets us. There is no Eastern region, it stopped existing since 50yrs ago, what we have now is SE, and if we can smell the coffee and get our priorities right, SE have all we need to succeed.

Wike that named A public edifice in Rivers state after Gowon recently, while cajoling Ndiigbo indirectly during the ceremony, is not a Fulani man, he is an Ikwerre man.
The average Ikwerre man sees the Fulani man as a messiah who saved them from the crutches of a big wolf devouring them, called the Igbo man-go figure.
Don't embrace reality, keep living in fools paradise, keep making excuses for these lots, keep defending the indefensible, keep getting stuck in 1970, and see where that will get us in the future.

what is your own solution to the problem?

pazienza:
I have seen this your narrative before, whereby you try to make the Igboids victims and their non Igbo neighbors the devils who are to be blamed for the Igboids Igbophobia.
That perspective is old and a laughable one. There is simply no justification for their behavior.
They are no victims like you would want to point out.

You are the one trying to create a one-sided narrative. I never made them victims. I already stated they are selfish and lazy opportunists. But you find such people in every group however closely knitted the group is and, the division wouldn't manifest until it meets the rare combination of an I gbophobia national policy and igbophobic Igbo neighbours.

why won't they deny Igbo when they reap the funny priviledge of being Igbo's and the privilege of not being Igbo's at the same time. The south east Igbo's are always there to suffer for them as "shock absorbers". That is how Fulani system made it. it benefits no one. It has to be dismantled so the region can prosper. you can't achieve it by what you're doing now.

pazienza:
The Obi of Onitsha and all official Onitsha groups represent as Igbos.
Stop comparing apples and oranges here.

You should know there is a tacit policy among Igbo neigbours that that makes Igbo denial a pre requisite for fair and peaceful coexistence with them. These our neigbours love everything about Igbo but they hate the unique sense of "exclusivism" and unity which comes with the Igbo identity. This makes it impossible for them to relate with Igbos as equals except they put their immediate Igbo neighbours under pressure to disconnect from the Igbo fold(Igbophobia). This is why urhobo is more comfortable if Ikaman says He is not Igbo, Ijaw and ogoni feel threatened when any ikwerre person says he is Igbo. For a British backed Fulani government that wants to fully control the resources of the area, this attitude of the minority present a perfect opportunity. They have structured states in south south in such a way that will encourage this Igbophobia, making it even more difficult for an Igbo in those places to identify as one. imagine Edwin Clark telling odili he is from Anambra and not from rivers and can't take south south slot but same Clark, with saro wiwa, encouraged Ikwere to disconnect from the Igbo fold and join rivers state. I guess wike is slowly realizing that.

As for your. Onitsha claims, we go by your definition then I'll not be wrong to say you're confused. Onitsha represent as you said cos they are in Anambra. A lot of Onitsha people also say nwa onyigbo, except they have changed, they won't behave differently if they found themselves in ikwerre position in 1967, a lot of oguta people too. Generally people who are considered lazy will have this inferiority complex. They exhibit resentment towards more competitive people and wouldn't mind denying them when given the opportunity. But then, if you exclude industrious people in your land, it won't develop. The reason they were able to take economic control of your land is the same reason you won't succeed if you chase them from your land. The only way out is work hard and develop your land or leave more gifted entrepreneurs to operate in peace.

My point is inferiority already exists among our neighbours, British backed Fulani regime exploited it by creating political structures which encouraged it, thereby dividing the entire region for political gain- an action no one in the area benefit from.

The only way to unite our people is to dismantle the Fulani political structure in the eastern region, create a better organized one as KANU propose.

Ranting against SS Igbo's as you're doing will do you no good. You'll end up cutting you nose just to spite your face.

Equal2DeTask:



Ask no more

I use to think they were ogoni.

A lady from Eleme was terrible insulted by ogoni people after she refused to identify as ogoni. I want to know from eleme and ogoni people, is elements different from ogoni?

BSMS:
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HALF EDUCATION IS Dangerous, YOU KNOW?

Can you analyze the scenario below:

A man from Imo State has a garment shop in Abuja, another shop in Kano, another shop in Lagos, another shop in shop in Onitsha, and another shop in Accra.

As of today, that man is a citizen of the country in which his shops are based with the exception of the shop in Accra. Border closure by Nigeria will affect only his Accra shop and Ghana can make regulations that will favor Ghanaian business and discriminate against businesses owned by foreigners. If that happens, it will only affect his shop in Ghana. Also, this man can move goods from his Onitsha shops to his Lagos or Abuja or Kano shops without worrying about customs. He only worries if he moves goods between his shop in Accra and other locations.

After you have your Biafra, only his shop in Onitsha will be in the country he is a citizen of. He is now a foreign national as regards his investment in Kano, Abuja, Lagos and Accra.

I had to make this illustration for those of you who do not appreciate the additional costs that go with investing as a foreigner as compared with investing as a citizen.

Yes, a Chinese businessman man can sell his goods in China or in Nigeria. But when he sells in Nigeria he pays extra costs associated with international trade. It is international trade when you manufacture in one country and sell in another. Rather than shrinking your local market, you should be expanding your market.

And if the South South refuses to go with the Igbo's, the Igbos will be landlocked like Lesotho or Swaziland, assuming you know where these countries are. You don't have what it will take to be like Rwanda or Botswana. Your best bet is Lesotho or Burkina Faso.

There is no cultural group called south south. if you remove Igboland ie 5 south east state, 35% of delta and 60% of rivers, some parts of Benue and Edo, you'll find out that the remainder ethnic groups are cat and dogs that wouldn't even see eye to eye. stop fooling yourself that this people are needed. They are the ones who need Igbo's to survive not the other way round.

Do you know why Port Harcourt had to built into mainland east instead of core nigerdelta like brass?

Do you know why PH, ikwere and a host of other Igbo groups had to be added into a supposedly minority rivers state, even though it wasn't part of the original plan? the answer is simply. Despite their oil a state of ijaw and ogoni wouldn't be viable because of its swampy topography.

Igbo's over- indulge people. pigs like asari docubo who should be begging now find himself grandstanding. Ijaw, ogoni, efik, Ibibio all need Igbo's more than Igbo's need them. you will understand at the right time.

Today you are the master, tomorrow Igbo's dominate you. which one do we take?

Nothing was actually denied. The two statements say "no binding offer" has been made. It simply means there are talks already. moreover the statements look alike, more like a joint statement.

why is it that 60% of the nation newspaper coverage in the east is negative?

murade:
it is quiet unfortunate that Zainab committed another offence for doing so because suicide is highly forbidden in Islam, case of suicide in Islam is that on the day of judgement she will be punished with what she used to commit suicide. nevertheless we will pray for her forgiveness May Allah forgive her.

so which religion promise suicide bombers 72 virgins?

Nothing has been cleared

Biafrarep:
Ghadaffi is right about dividing Nigeria but it can't be into two but four actually. Divide South into two and North into two.

The whole of NW will stand alone and the Middle Belt will stand alone while the NE will be divided; the Muslim parts of NE will join NW to form Arewa with capital in Kaduna while the Christian parts will join Middle Belt to form Nigeria with capital in Abuja.

For the South, the SE will stand alone and the SW will stand alone while the SS will be divided. All the SS states except Edo will form Biafra with capital in Enugu while Edo will join SW to form Oduduwa with capital in Lagos.

This is the only way lasting peace can be brought to the Nigger-area.

He actually modified his statement saying the country should split along Northern, Yoruba and Igbo ethnic lines like Yugoslavia.

Time to close border at amansea

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Nowenuse, make your research well. Ibani is like a hybrid of Igbo language and Ijaw. while Bonny is mostly mixture of Igbo and Ijaw bloodline with predominantly Igbo first language, Opobo actually has very little link with Ijaw in terms of origin, bloodline etc, except it's located in the riverine culture sphere of influence. it's a mixture of Igbo, ijaw and efik with Igbo being majority. They speak Igbo, gravitate towards Abia in relations but adopt Ijaw names(although a number of them now bear Igbo first names). So it's wrong to just say Ibani is Ijaw.