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[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=604661.msg7745549#msg7745549 date=1297911353]Try this title: Military Rule and Population Issues in Nigeria Author: Aderanti Adepoju Source: African Affairs, Vol. 80, No. 318 (Jan., 1981), pp. 29-47


We've had Several academic research works done on the obvious population falsification that's been going on in Nigeria since the early 60s

You can use Jstor is you have the access. I'm not sure if I can post the particular article due to copyright issues, and NL spambot, But I got this info from the journal.

STATES   '63 in Mil     '73 in Mil          %change

North East         7,793         15,380             6"8

Kano                  5,775         10,900             6"4

North West        5,734         8,500               3"9

North Central     4,098         6,790               5 1

Benue Plateau   4,009         5,170               2.5

Kwara                2,399         4,640               6.6

West                  9,488         8,920            -0.62

Lagos                1,444          2,470              5.4

Mid-West           2,536          3,240              2.5

East Central      7,228           8,060             1.1

South East       3,526           3,460              -0.51

Rivers               1,545           2,230               3.7

Source: Extracted from the Daily Times, Friday 10 May, 1974 p. 1. (via  African Affairs article above)


As you can see from the table, The SW, SE and most of the non core North regions decreased dramatically(to say the least) from 1963 to 1973. those regions recorded negative percentages LOL. It's like people moved out of the SE and SW

Mind boggling really! The discrepancies were protested by leaders in the south according to the 1981 article, but it stood, and it was encouraged by our military rulers after that.



Read the journal and search for others works too.

IMO, Nigeria is the probably the only geographical area on earth where human population decreases as you get closer to the sea.

Now, I do not have conclusive evidence, but my take is that we have a huge population robbery going on in Nigeria. probably for sinister political power reasons since the late 50's to early 60's.

My country is an interesting case-study really.[/quote]hehe

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604661.msg7745527#msg7745527 date=1297910560]@asha80: For sure, Igboland (after Lagos and on par with Akwa Ibom) is one of the more densely populated regions in Nigeria.

However, after seeing this inflation in Kano, I sort of thought there would be more #s in Anambra, Imo and the rest of the SE. My (wild guess) was that perhaps the total figure (140 million in the country as of 2006) was correct, but that they just shifted population from the SE to the North.

But if the population of the SE zone isn't that under-inflated, maybe Nigeria is just far less populated than we think. Or did they just slice a little bit of population from each region of the south and add it to the north?

I'm kind of confused a bit now.[/quote]nigeria can be very confusing and population issues are always coated with controversy.

Nigeria lost 1.9 million manufacturing jobs in seven years – MAN
By Everest Amaefule, Abuja
Thursday, 17 Feb 2011

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Nigeria lost about 1.9 million jobs in the manufacturing industry between 2002 and 2009 due to the harsh operating environment in the country, the Manufacturers Association of Nigeria has said.

The Director-General of the association, Mr. Jide Mike, said on Wednesday that the industry lost more than 1.8 million jobs between 2002 and 2008.

He spoke while delivering a paper on, “Challenges and Opportunities of Manufacturing Investments in Nigeria,” at the 10th Biennial Techno-Exposition, organised by the Raw Materials Research and Development Council, in Abuja.

The PUNCH had earlier reported that a total of 834 manufacturing companies shut shop in 2009, quoting a survey carried out by MAN as part of its membership operational audit in January 2010.


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http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art201102170445762

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604661.msg7745424#msg7745424 date=1297908058]Also, what are your thoughts about the population of the 5 Igbo states? Understated, overstated?

Either Nigeria is far less populated than commonly believed, or some states are being dramatically underestimated population wise.

I sort of lean towards the latter, but sort of want more information.

I found the 1991 census data, btw: http://www.nigerianmuse.com/projects/ElectoralReformProject/?u=Nigeria_Census_1991.html[/quote]i personally believe that population of imo and anambra are almost at par with each other with anambra having a slightly higher population.personaly i believe that the population of both states is nothing less that 4.6 million or thereabout.abia, enugu and ebonyi( in that order) are less populated that imo and anambra.

for eg onitsha is listed as around 500,000 to 600,000 as 2006 population which might be true but if you factor surrounding towns like nkpor,okpoko etc which are affiliated to onitsha then it is nothing less that 1.5 million.


one thing for sure is that you can hardly going 2 km in the south east(especially imo and anambra) without seeing a house or a human being.

check this out too

http://www.tageo.com/index-e-ni-cities-NG.htm

Ibadan (Yoruba: Ìbàdàn or fully Ìlú Ẹ̀bá-Ọ̀dàn, the town at the junction of the savannah and the forest) is the capital city of Oyo State and the third largest metropolitan area in Nigeria by population after Lagos and Kano according to the 2006 Nigerian census. Ibadan is also largest in geographical area.[citation needed] At independence, Ibadan was the largest and the most populous city in Nigeria and the third in Africa after Cairo and Johannesburg. It is located in south-western Nigeria, 128 km inland northeast of Lagos and 530 km southwest of Abuja, the federal capital and is a prominent transit point between the coastal region and the areas to the north. Its population is 1,338,659

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadan

Benin City, a city (2006 est. pop. 1,147,188) and capital of Edo State, southern Nigeria, is a city approximately twenty-five miles North of the Benin River. It is situated 200 miles by road east of Lagos. Benin is the center of Nigeria's rubber industry, but processing palm nuts for oil is still an important traditional industry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_City

PhysicsRND:
Is the population of Ibadan three times that of Benin City? 

I think whoever made that data messed up, unless they know something that I don't.

i have always felt the population of ibadan is around 3 million though as of 2006

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604661.msg7745302#msg7745302 date=1297904604]Hrm. Will dig into this data a bit more later tonight.

Does anyone have previous census data broken down by zone or region? Or what is a good place to find this sort of data?[/quote]http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/Nigeria.htm

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=606295.msg7745305#msg7745305 date=1297904630]Becomrich, are you also the poster called "forshow3" on NVS?

na wa o.[/quote]he is the same person.

ChinenyeN:
I side with Achebe on this one, but I go further to say that it is the job of the people to preserve their own speech form(s).

it is that simple.

Abagworo:
There is this saying "Igbo n'asu n'olu n'olu".Can anyone interpret?

we are more interested in written ones used in primary and secondary schools not spoken ones.for spoken ones to remain it depends on the speakers.


meanwhile you have not answered the bolded

presido1:
^^What if you have an Igbo teacher from Ogidi teaching Igbo in a school in Owerri, Afikpo, Ohafia or Ngwa. Which dialect will he teach them. If he teach them Ogidi dialect it defeats your argument of preserving dialects.

If you are not from Afikpo u can hardly understand their dialect, Now you are a WASC examiner for Igbo Lang, You are presented with Igbo exam papers from Afikpo written in Afikpo dialect what will you do if you can't read the dialect? Are you going to pass all of them or fail all of them.

Advocates of central Igbo did not tell you to abolish your dialect rather it provides a way to communicate to those ndigbo that don't understand your dialect and you don't understand their's. Its that simple.

Anaegboka:
You said they can be wild, it validates my point or will you like to trust your life and that of your family in the hands of a wild group?

you did not answer his question.

ezeagu:
The okada drivers can be wild, but when was the last time you visited Eastern Nigeria for to think that MASSOB members were "Almajiris" from Ebonyi, Enugu, and Abia states only??

strangest:
The majority of those pushing for Biafra at Onitsha are Okada drivers, I do not think Peter Obi is responsible for them being arrested because alternatively he would have banned okada in Anambra as a whole if he wants to get rid of those okada rider pushing for biafra,  Peter Obi is a good governor and I do not know why people will just want to say bad things about him, probably they need Mbadinuju,

 

@asha 80
You are correct, one can discern that the accents from the broadcast were not authentic. In of Becomrichr posts about Yoruba people from Dahomey,Benin repub. and Lome they speak Yoruba, but many years ago and in using "bush radio' at that time, the accent are totally different, but nevertheless, Yoruba.

One other observation and irrelevant to this topic was that "Ibo" to describe Igbo people was used throughout by the mainstream media (with no objection from any credible media) and it took me a while that it should be spelled Igbo. Even the newspapers at that time (including the Lagos Weekend) referred to Igbos as Ibo.

And my fellow track and field teamates (Sam Igun, R Bazuno, Emily Edet, Apore, Charlton Ezuelen etc) at that time never corrected me when I write them

Safariman of all the names you gave me only the bolded seems igbo to me.the other names are definitely not igbo.

safariman:
Away from the post and again from my recollection, the following:

People at that time did not see Adekunle as an Ogbomosho hero, but as a Yoruba Col that fought gallantly.
The civil war was not easy even on S/W , while there, we were being fed with USAID dry powder milk (you can eat it dry or pour water on it).  

That civil war was hell, The Propaganda radio was something else, it scares the daylights out of you.  Col Ojukwu was brilliant in having a Yoruba/Ishan/Edo broadcasters on daily basis, using high frequencies (if you have "bush radios" to reach out to S/W people to tell them how Biafra army (Banjo and co.) were advancing against the federal troops and people panicked.  And then when you go to Iddo Gate (by Dugbe Market in Ibadan) and see soldiers returning from the front, you are amazed because it is something we've never seen before and I remember one of the first thing they asked for was a peak milk to drink as they walked/taxi to their homes before the next deployment.  Many of us have never seen a soldier in combat uniform, we saw them at Independence celebration or during parades in ceremonial roles.  We did not see soldiers in the towns

i doubt those guys were actually of those ethnicities.i believe they were igbo people who could speak those languages.

Boko Haram gives conditions to stop killings
News Feb 8, 2011

By Emeka Mamah[b]
Kaduna — The Muslim fundamentalist group, Boko Haram, has given conditions to enable its members stop slaughtering innocent Nigerians in some parts of the North.

The group said it would stop inflicting pains on the people if the Borno State Governor, Senator Ali Modu Sheriff, steps down from office with immediate effect and also allow members to reclaim their mosque in Maiduguri, Borno State capital.

The group’s leader, Abu Suleiman, who gave the conditions while speaking on the British Broadcasting Corporation, BBC, Hausa Service interview, monitored in Kaduna yesterday, insisted that government must withdraw all security personnel on the streets of Maiduguri, adding that no persons will be harmed any longer as soon as the appropriate authorities meet the conditions[/b]

However, speaking during the BBC interview, Suleiman, said: “We want our mosque to be given back to us and we also want all the soldiers in Maiduguri to be withdrawn immediately.”

He explained that his group has what he described as “a serious religious affinity” with their mosque in Maiduguri so that members can continue with their religious activities.

He said: “The soldiers and other security agents in Maiduguri are not fair to all and that is why we want them withdrawn immediately. It is not also proper for us to perform our religious rites in other mosques because we believe that leaders and clerics in these mosques are not intellectually capable to lead us.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/02/boko-haram-gives-conditions-to-stop-killings/

please let them find oil there so that everyone will know the 'true state of things' in nigeria

SapeleGuy:
I maintain that Okotie - Eboh was the best finance minister this country has seen, after him comes Awolowo. Stop parambulating in circles and tell us by deed and actions a better finance minister.

Substantiate your claim, it is not too much to ask. All this 10% is not holding water, ther were records in those days, It is on record that Azikiwe was indicted for corruption, please give any tangible example no matter how trivial for Okotie-Eboh.

As for Ibori, I will give you a simple test please tell us one governor from the south east zone who performed better than Ibori  during 1999 - 2007. When next you visit home go across the bridge from Onitsha to Asaba - It is like comparing night and day.


Please go back to sleep. Less powerful politicians are sent to Lagos to be Federal Minister of Finance for 10 years and the more powerful ones became what exactly

You have to keep believing the lies because not to do so will be too painful for you. So keep playing the ostrich.
Not to loathe will be to accept that Akintola, Balewa and Okotie - Eboh were slaughtered for a lie.
Not to loathe Okotie - Eboh would mean accepting the fact that your people were slaughtered by the nak ed ambition and greed of your leaders.
What has all this blood letting and death achieved

They say the truth is self evident, Ironsi's video showed these guys didn't have a scooby doo (clue) about what to do next. Which begs the question why take power in the first place.

everyone agrees ironsi was clueless but i doubt nzeogwu would have been clueless if he was the person on that chair.

power was more or less trusted unto ironsi(because he was the most senior millitary officer after the coup) rather him ourightly taken power

ChinenyeN:
Asha, I have no problem with Anambra people. Some of my family friends are Anambra. I just can't tolerate those specifically with the 'complex' that I've come across; that mental attitude.
Udezue, you know me better than the bolded.

All of you should relax yourselves. It isn't as if I committed a crime. Now, if you offense, then my apologies, but I'm not taking the reference back. It's that simple.

when you get older i think reflective thinking will start kicking in.

CapnCrunch:
The entire South Eastern state liberated by ADEKUNLE.
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The word Liberated was perfect,many in the south east ejagham and efik grew tired of the ibos and their so called biafra,being a minority their was only the hope the federal troops would help us


silly igbos dragging us into the war,as if we wanted any part of biafra, and phillip effiong? please how many efik/ibibio held such positions in nigeria or biafra, if u ppl decided to pullout again leave the south east alone

tell the first bolded to okonkon ndem.

please what makes up the southeast you are refering to in the bolded?

as for efik people that held post in the nigeria at that time(i guess you mean eastern region) i guess you are trying to be nisheivous

PhysicsMHD:
"As his war letters clearly demonstrate, he was too temperamental and schizophrenic to provide good leadership in peace time.  It is also apparent from his son’s book that he believed the war was about oil, not Nigeria ’s unity.  “Plainly speaking” he said in the biographical section of the Book, “the Federal troops fought the civil war because of the rich crude oil found in the coastal areas.  Those who fought are never told the truth.”



Twenty-six years after the war, Adekunle seemed to have changed his story.  In an interview with the Weekend Concord (July 6, 1996) which the son quoted in the book, the Black Scorpion regretted that he fought, not for oil, but to keep Nigeria one.  “While some of us were dying in the battlefield for the restoration of Nigeria as one country,” he said, “some people have their eyes on one particular subject – oil, the live wire of the economy, the new fulcrum or pendulum of power.  While we fought for one country, some people have been reaping where they did not sow.  They have been reaping from bogus population figures fashioned to suit their selfish purposes…”

i actually wanted to ask dayokanu whether   he knows that Adekunle after hindsight regrets fighting in that war.more like a pawn in the whole thing.

as for the last sentence of the bolded it is obvious who Adekunle was reffering to.

chinenye what issues do you have with anambra people?

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=599690.msg7680012#msg7680012 date=1297034582]Ezeagu,

I did not know you enjoyed history so much. Very impressive I must say.

But what did the British do that was beneficial for Nigeria or any of its colonies? I have yet, to see anything that is worthy to say that they helped us in any way, except for giving us their language at the detriment of our own beautiful indigenous languages.

And you said the British were not violent? They destroyed my village and slaughtered many people in cold blood. Yes, they could be quite violent. [/quote]compare that to what the spanish did to the aztecs and leopolds massacre in congo.

SapeleGuy:
Please post concrete proof. For example I can say that Azikiwe and Awolowo were tried for corruption. Please tell us what this man was supposed to have stolen? Nah moto? abi nah land or contract. Please talk.


Asha80. Ginger your swagger. You have told the truth despite the fact it exposes the masterminds.

my post was simply to jettison whatever envy you trying to attribute to any section of the country because that section would have decided NOT to give it to okotie eboh IF they wanted to.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=599800.msg7679758#msg7679758 date=1297031583]Onlytruth, why not try disputing points made by people who do not share your point of view by making intelligent counterpoints, instead of calling them bigots and tribalists?  This behavior of yours is quite troubling and is typical of your likes on this forum, it is quite shameful. olodo

I shutter at the squandered oppotunities handed to many Nigerians of Igbo extraction to build our young nation. There is not much hope for the SE given the the crop of youths being produced, such as onlytruth and Eze.[/quote]please elaborate on how nigerians of nothern extraction have helped build our young nation our mister double talker?

SapeleGuy:
Ezekolo, Nkita ara dika gi
Okotie - Eboh,  has been the most successful and brilliant finance minister this devils paradise called Nigeria has produced to date, after him comes Awolowo.  
Some people were keen to move him not because they had anything better to offer but because they felt a Mid-Westerner should not be that powerful. Go and do some research instead of displaying your usual impotent and feral rabble rousing.

i hope you know how okotie eboh became a finance minister?

Obiagu1:
I disagree with you completely.
Ironsi was one of the reasons we're in a mess today. To be fair to him, fate put him in that position, but what was his business changing from federal to unitary government? He came to power, appointed governors for various regions, was that not enough?

Why not try and stabilize the country and conduct another election?

His stupidity and naivety killed him despite the[b] fact Ojukwu warned him of his actions.[/b]

was it ojukwu that warned him or alexander madiebo?

afam4eva:
The one that was smoking a cigar, He just spoke his mind. He was actually in support of the coup.

yea that one .

i actually liked how that nigerian journalist in that video spoke.i wonder where he is today

mehn ikengawo too dey like yarn cigar.