₦airaland Forum

Katsumoto:
What MAXSIOLLUN actually stated was that Largema was killed when he arrived in Lagos to prevent him passing on the message. The facts are that he wasn't killed when he arrived in Lagos. Fact - He attended a party with the recipient of his message as well as his killers. Those are the facts.

It is possible that he did not pass on the message but why kill only the messenger and the sender; why not kill the recipient as well?

Katsumoto:
Perhaps but how can anyone be certain the he did not pass the message on at the party? The point I am making is that if Largema was killed to prevent him passing a message to Largema why was Ironsi not killed if Ifeajuna (and some other plotters), Ironsi, and Largema were all at the same party? That way, you are sure to neutralise the objective of the message instead of assuming that Largema was waiting for a better time to pass the message.

Katsumoto:
Asha 80

Try to be objective

Ifeajuna who killed Largema was at the same party. Surely, why would anyone think that Largema did not give the message to Ironsi at the party? Largema was not killed when he arrived in Lagos; Largema attended a party before he was killed. Or was the party not in Lagos?

Why are some of you so selective with facts before you? I am out for now.

Katsumoto:
You have to put the blame on the individual who actually set the precedence. I agree that other leaders adopted unitary governments but that objective was made possible by Ironsi's move. Soldiers have no business determining the type and systems of governments. That is beyond their training.

How is it possible that the plotters stopped Largema from passing the sardauna's message to Ironsi when Ironsi and Largema were both at Maimalari's party on January 14 before the coup took place. What stopped Largema from passing the message at the party. This is very evident from your book, 'oil, politics, and violence: Nigeria ,  - Chapter 4.

Secondly, why is it that the plotters killed the sender (Sardauna) and the messenger (Largema) but not the recipient of the message (Ironsi)? Afterall, it is the recipient who will carry out the instructions detailed in the message. I think the answer to that is very obvious.

maxsiollun:
To answer some of the questions:

1) Let's not pretend that Ironsi's "unification decree" is any different from what other govts did. Every head of state from Murtala onwards operated govt in a fashion FAR more unitary than anything Ironsi did.

2) Ironsi was clearly (a) afraid for his life (b) not up to the job of running the country. The deliberate and circumspect manner in which he answered questions at that press conference should tell you that this was a man outside his comfort zone.

3) The Sardauna and PM were definitely planning something major to deal with the "Wild West".

4) Lt-Col Largema was actually despatched by the Sardauna to pass a message to Ironsi (about the Wild West). Ifeajuna and co[b] prevented him from delivering the message when they shot him in his hotel when he arrived in Lagos.[/b]

blacksta:
I am thinking one of the biggest mistake Ironsi made was to murder Tafawaand Ahmadu Bello Balewa - he could simply have detained them under house arrest or similar , watching the video one can clearly conclude that Ironsi knew his days were numbered.

It is also sad that the NIgerian journalist interviewed was complained about issues in 1966 that are still ongoing today as write in Nigeria. They say one can deduce the future from past.

At this moment in time we have another Tafawa Balewa in GEJ weak, corrupt and inept , unable swim against tide to steer Nigeria from dangerous waters.

Ikengawo:
well they're all related. my grandfather as a part of 'eastern region'
im not.

i was born in america and grew up in nigeria, sure, but most of my little cousins were born and raised in Lagos Onitsha, Port, and over seas, so it's not really their 'state of origin' anymore, they don't originate from there.

That's why I point back to the seperation issue. there are igbos that are more at home in Ibadan then Yorubas that were born and raised in Abuja, so where do you get off calling on a westerner and the other an easterner.

I think asking state of origin is counter productive. That's how we ferment this idea that a nigerian 'from' one region is less of a nigerian in another region. As if Kaduna and Sokoto aren't a part of my country as well.

Ikengawo:

This is a perfect example of why the whole 'seperation' postulate for nigerian's problems is outdated and not-so-smart.
Nigerians in 2011 are no longer village people but are expected to identify themselves as an immobile peg of their grandfathers hut.


Most nigerians i met outside of my own village are born in places like Lagos. I know a guy thats half igbo half hausa and part fulani born and raise in Warri.

All he knows is Warri. So how can you call him a northerner or igbo? dude is just nigerian.

I met an Eshan girl that's half igbo but grew up in Ibadan and speaks Yoruba.


even P-square, igbo boys from Jos, Dbanj, Yoruba boy from Kaduna

10cirenoh:
@asha

 It doesn't matter, what matters is that he has the will to do it, and being the president, he can influence alot of things in the HOA, with him in government house, alot of progressives are likely to make it to the HOA, HOR, SG e.t.c

bashr4:
UK is an example of the sayin that knowlegde is power unlike africans that keep boasting of oil and natural resources yet nothing to show for it. by 2025 the world will move beyond the dependence on oil and we will maintain our usual last position

Kobojunkie:
I don't think anyone can tell us how long it will take to provide ALL THE AMENITIES. Anyone who does that is only BLOWING HOT AIR UP YOUR ARSE.

Two things I don't care about. I don't give a darn if he is from a minority group or not, and I really don't care if he will run in 2015 or not. So, all that does not help convince me or many out there.

Jonathan DID NOT make the promise to provide stable electricity in his first term. Don't now lie to us on his behalf . .  lol. He hasn't actually created the atmosphere YET. As I recall, that is to happen, sometime in June of this year, so let's not get ahead of ourselves please.

How did you come to the claim that our image has improved worldwide? You mean securitywise? Investment? How exactly?

What minority? Jonathan is from the Majority Party that has ruled for the past 12 years. Sure, we want personality and so far, this personality has, show he is not really up to the task considering in over a year( starting as AP, and then moving on to Presidency), his term is likely not going to be much different from what he gave us when he served as Governor.

I disagree with your assertion that it will take Buhari more than one term to have excellent reforms. That is a false claim since it is not based on anything but mainly your bias here. Reform shouldn't take a more than a whole term for anyone who seriously wants to turn things around in Nigeria. If anything, his past example shows it probably will not take him that long since, within six months of the Buhari-Idiaghon regime taking office, average Nigerians were affected by change made by the regime in one way or the other.

how many igbos get 2 wives 10 children. bros, stop believing that fantasy even my father painted to me on northern population. they marry many wives, get many children. atiku the educated one has 5 wives and 27 children. this is the secret of their population my friend.

Tsiya:
UK have oil and gas reserves, and have been in production for a long time

The UK have strong companies like BAE, the defence & industrial company that supplies one of the most sophisticated engineering components of many modern military aircraft with parts, from US to China, Rolls Royce, with more than 50% of aircrafts flying using their engines, EPL (generating[b] £12billion pounds of revenue curtesy of suckers all over the world[/b]), the shipyard in Glasgow- home to many ships and submarines in the international waters, Cholchester Machines, the manufacturers of machines tools (lathe machines, milling machines, drilling machines etc) and owners of the patent. So any machine part produced everywhere in the world, from US to China, pays some licencess fees to the company.

The UK sell mostly advance technologies to industrial power houses, not to individual, that is why we don't see their products in the market.

Abagworo:
I think this issue is prevalent only around Onitsha axis.Nkpor,Obosi,Oba and Nkwellezunka don't really have land dispute with Onitsha but issue of recognition.You cannot build a house in Nkpor and write your address as Onitsha.They prefer being recognised as separate towns even though they form one urban area.

The case in Aba is very different because all the towns around are Ngwa and accepted the name.Ehere,Ariaria,Umuola,Osisioma,Uratta,Alaoji,Ovom and Ekeakpara are all different towns in different LGAs that got assimilated but accepted Aba.

afam4eva:
Education is still a form of tax. Their school fees are usually higher than those in the United states not as if their standards are higher.

To think that most of their money comes from outside.

afam4eva:
Countries that have less mouth to feed are actually the richest eg Switzerland and those Scandinavian countries.

afam4eva:
The people. Their tax is exorbitant. See the way they recently trippled their school fees.

ashala:
@ Asha 80.nwanne anom ya. Udele mara nma na eri Awo.

T9ksy:
Your cousin is a settler in Lagos just as the efik man is also a settler in your village.

If, in the future, there's a disagreement between Lagos and your cousin's village, am sure your cousin will not side with Lagos to kill and maim his relatives in your village. will he, now? Despite the fact that your cousin speak the indigenous lang., dressed like them and have adopted some of their mannerism & culture.


@ poster,

regardless of how long you igbos reside in Lagos and how much property and businesses you own in the state, you will foreever remain settlers in Lagos.

seanet02:
They are fighting over who has the right to sell the land to[b] chinese industrialists.[/b] Only God can rate ibos from the love of money

johndoe200:
[b]My friend , you and I know that our boys dealt with you guys and you could open your mouth. [/b]Sometimes and for very specific reasons, I regret this amnesty thing.

But even now, if you try anything , you know what will happen.

honeric01:
Lol, so suddenly, all the women in Jos turned to beroms and no just one woman that's Hausa?

Please be reasonable here, do you think the beroms are clean? i mean do you think they haven't or never killed other tribes in Jos?

The governor is not Hausa or is he? how then is he watching Hausas kill his people if truly his people are innocent of shedding innocent blood?

Both parties are guilty, we should stop taking sides here, both of them have bad blood inside of them and are looking for opportunity to strike.

Don't be surprise if you end up finding out that the attack that was carried out at the village where the Soldiers were stationed must have been done by an insider just to indict the soldiers, and with that "blackmail", they can be made to leave so that those with bad blood can have access to hunt down their victims.

Let's be reasonable, both the Hausa and the beroms are guilty of murder, just that one's more deadly than the other.