₦airaland Forum

davidylan:
chill . . . the power plant was built by? HAMAS? Sorry it was built by the jews.

It lacks fuel . . . that comes from? HAMAS? No the EU via Israeli ports.

60% of Gaza's electricity comes direct from power lines in Ashkelon . . . where? Gaza? Sorry Israel.

Get your facts right!

davidylan:
what you fail to realise is that the "constant" electricity comes from the same Israel they are raised to hate. what a sad irony.

This morning, I heard people chanting outside, I wondered what it was, and then, the lights came on - the electricity had come back on; hurrah!

I immediately turned on the television, charged my phone, checked emails. For a moment, I felt somewhat liberated. These things that we often take for granted have become so precious of late.

RichyBlacK:
How can humans defend the dead? This is ludicrous! Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) does not need you or any Muslim "defending" him! What kind of rubbish talk is that? Muslims need to stop being so paranoid about the prophet and Allah. That a man insults the prophet, Allah or the Qu'ran, does not mean the prophet is belittled and "feels bad" about it. It does not mean Allah's might has been compromised, and it surely does not mean that the Qu'ran has become discredited and useless. All it means is that the person showed no respect to what Muslims respect. The appropriate desecration laws should be applied to that individual. Muslim youths going on rampage killing non-Muslims as a form of "collective punishment" is barbaric and must be condemned by every Muslim.

However, due to mass illiteracy among many in the Ummah, some Muslims take up arms to kill innocent civilians of other faiths to express their anger. I recall during the cartoon episode, that miscreants went on rampage in Northern Nigeria, killing Christians and burning churches. All so-called Muslims who take part in such actions or support such actions are fools! They are not Muslims and they must be condemned by all!

On a brighter note, boycotting goods is a much better way of registering frustration and anger than seeking "infidels" to behead!

davidylan:
Auwal, i will only quote your own article to see how stupid you sound.

[size=13pt]The 1937 Peel Commission proposal. A British Royal Commission led by Lord Peel examined the Palestine question beginning late in 1936. Its report, published in July 1937, recommended the creation of a small Jewish state in a region less than 1/5 of the total area of Palestine. The remainder was to be joined to Transjordan except for some parts, including Jerusalem, that would remain under British control.[/size]

Transjordan = jordan today.

So even your own article agrees that these fraudulent "palestinians" are simply Jordanian idiots left to fester in "refugee camps" and used as a political tool to press for Israel's destruction.

Nuff said really.

bluespice:
has isreal done that?
what is ur point here?

It would be out of the question to publish all the utterances of Gedolei Yisroel [Torah authorities] during the last century, the period of the emergence of Zionism on the Jewish horizon, because all the Gedolei Yisroel sternly opposed the movement aimed at undermining the Jewish religion and the Jewish essence

* [The Torah] forbids us to strive for the reunion or possession of the land by any but spiritual means
Rabbi S. R. Hirsch

* Not via our desire did we leave the land of Israel, and not via our power will we come back to the land of Israel.
Rabbi S.D. Schneerson

* [Zionists] want a state in order to make Jews into heretics.
Rabbi C. Soloveichik

* The Zionists have attacked the center point of Judaism.
Rabbi V. Soloveichik

Ras Pwn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfFMZ7Y-s_c

In this video, Israeli spokesman, Merk Regev admits Hamas did not fire any rockets until Israel broke the ceasefire on November 4, 2008. From this video, it's clear to see who wants peace and who the bully is.

Comment -In 1967, Israel seized Gaza and the West Bank from Egypt and Jordan respectively. It is interesting to note that all these arabs who cry the loudest about a Gaza "holocaust" are themselves unwilling to host their own brethren!  Shocked What is it about these "palestinians" that even fellow arabs are scared of?

Comment - Interesting that so many morons here cry so much about Israel "violating" resolution 242. Well its hard to comply to such a resolution if Egypt wont take back Gaza anyway.

Comment - Mr. Odeh is being economical with the truth. Now we know that about half of Jordan is palestinian (so much for Israeli occupation eh), the remaining half are from Saudi Arabia . . . note that the British gave Jordan as a gift NOT to the arab or jewish inhabitants but to the sons of the Sharif of Mecca in reward for not attacking the French in Syria in 1922.

Mr. Odeh does not want the "palestinians" (who are essentially disenfranchised and deliberately dispossessed Jordanians) because they will "destroy the fabric of Jordanian society" . . . are these the same Jordanians who are loudly promoting the fraudulent "right of return"?  Grin
So now we know that their right of return hubris is really a back-door plan to destroy the fabric of society. If arabs are afraid of other arabs why should Jews trust them?

Mr. Odeh says Jordan being forced to accept its own citizens it keeps in concentration camps  is tantamount to "loss of their land". I ask him . . . which "land"? They already lost "their land" when you kicked them out of Jordan in 1970 for daring to overthrow your saudi King!

Very interesting piece but i could only post the few i found addressed salient issues that most people here do not bother to probe. Now we know the "palestinians" are simply an arab-created phenomenon designed ostensibly to destroy the Jewish nation from within. Their experiment has failed now it threatens to blow up in their faces.

The 1937 Peel Commission proposal. A British Royal Commission led by Lord Peel examined the Palestine question beginning late in 1936. Its report, published in July 1937, recommended the creation of a small Jewish state in a region less than 1/5 of the total area of Palestine. The remainder was to be joined to Transjordan except for some parts, including Jerusalem, that would remain under British control.

The Arab population in the Jewish areas was to be removed, by force if necessary, and vice versa, although this would mean the movement of far more Arabs than Jews. The Zionist leaders accepted the proposal, while the Arab leadership rejected the proposal outright. Two more partition plans were also considered: Plan B (map) and Plan C (map). It all came to nothing, as the British government had shelved the proposal altogether by the middle of 1938. In February 1939, the St. James Conference convened in London, but the Arab delegation refused to formally meet with its Jewish counterpart or to recognize them. The Conference ended on March 17, 1939 without making any progress.

On May 17, 1939, the British government issued the White Paper of 1939, in which the idea of partitioning the Mandate was abandoned in favor of Jews and Arabs sharing one government and put strict quotas on further Jewish immigration. Due to impending World War II and the opposition from all sides, the plan was dropped.

Can we simply ask Jordan and Egypt a simple question . . . why are they deliberately violating resolution 242?

bluespice:
i have said it
people that base their arguments on 'gut-feelings' and stories handed down from religious leaders have no place in enlightened discussions
the person claiming isreal was accupying; have u studied ur map recently?
if u have which I'm very sure u havent, u'll notice isreal is entirely surrounded on land by arab nations egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and syria. if indeed isreal wanted to 'occupy' u think these countries wouldnt have fought tooth n nail?
go read on the people of these countries i mentioned then maybe just maybe u'll make informed guesses when next u feel like talking

jewman:
As the current Israeli war against Hamas in Gaza continues, the worldwide propaganda assault against Israel grows exponentially. In the light of this, it's important to review a little history about Gaza. In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and completely turned its administration over to the Palestinian Authority. All of the Jewish settlements were disbanded and their residents forcibly removed. The Israeli agricultural, commercial and residential assets – which were considerable – were left for the Palestinians.

They promptly trashed and destroyed these valuable assets that would have greatly helped them feed their own people. They were given the freedom to develop what easily could have been something like a "Hong Kong" of the Mediterranean. Many nations poured billions of dollars into the coffers of the Palestinian leadership to help them realize that dream.

Instead, the Palestinians used the money to build a terrorist army. They purchased weapons and munitions to equip that army. They smuggled into Gaza a formidable arsenal and began to launch daily attacks on Israel's cities.

They didn't even pretend to build an economic infrastructure that would enable the Gazan citizens to support themselves. That's why the partial Israeli closure of the crossing points has made life so difficult for the average Palestinian. Most of them can only find work in Israel. There is none in Gaza.

Why? Because all of the economic development money was poured into terrorism. Despite this glaring fraud, the world insists on rewarding the Palestinians for their open deception.

The so-called "enlightened and responsible nations" have developed a formula for exclusive use against Israel. This formula determines under what circumstances and in what manner Israel is allowed to defend itself against terrorist attacks. First, the provocation must be many times more serious than would be necessary for other nations. Simple acts of war, such as hostage-taking or continuous missile attacks against civilian population centers, are not sufficient provocation to permit defensive measures.

Since 2005, more than 6,000 rockets have rained down on Israeli cities from Gaza. In a display of remarkable restraint, only after three years and thousands of unprovoked attacks did Israel finally feel sufficiently justified to launch a defensive response.

Now, the second phase of the anti-Israel propaganda assault kicks in. It begins almost immediately with the usual suspects – led by the Arabs, the Russians, the Muslims – all demanding an immediate Israeli withdrawal from its "invasion" of Gaza.

Right on cue, the members of the United Nations begin their usual chorus – charging that Israel's response is "not proportionate."

Finally, the media revs up their one-sided campaign. Their job is to spotlight the injuries and deaths of Palestinian women and children who are accidentally hit during the intense battles. Apparently, the months and years of constant bombardment lavished on the Israelis by Hamas thugs didn't trigger the media's interest. Only when Israel struck back did the signal go out for the mainstream media to join the fray.

In Gaza, Hamas terrorists hide in classrooms and hospital basements. They store weapons in mosques and use university laboratories for bomb-making factories. They are currently hiding long-range rockets in the basement of Gaza City's main hospital. They intentionally place women and children on the rooftops of buildings they know will soon be targets of the Israeli air force.

Then, when these human shields are killed or wounded by Israeli fire, the media vents their outrage on the Israeli gunner or pilot, not the calculating terrorist. The bodies of dead terrorists – or their human shields – are then paraded by the ever-accommodating media as "innocent victims of Israeli aggression." And the orchestrated calls for "proportionality" grow louder.

Following this oft-repeated formula, as the selected media images mount, the predictable demands for an unconditional Israeli cease-fire rise to a global crescendo. Moderate Western governments like France, Britain and other EU nations that have large Muslim populations begin to demand that Israel cease this "disproportionate war." The worldwide cry grows until finally the United States is bullied into not vetoing a Security Council resolution condemning Israel as an unjustified aggressor.

This is the formula that has always worked. The Islamic fundamentalists know this formula well. Terrorist organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas have perfected the use of this formula to the point of making it a "tactic of war." Islamic terrorists attack and fight until they begin to lose. Then the world rushes in and rescues them to fight another day.

"Proportionality" is the key word that has been especially adapted for use against Israel in order to guarantee its eventual destruction through attrition.

The historically accepted objective of defensive warfare is to eliminate an enemy's ability to harm you. The side that does that first is the winner. And until one side has accomplished that goal, the war continues.

The one overriding goal of Hamas is the annihilation of Israel. It's clearly spelled out in their Charter. They confirm it at every opportunity. The "enlightened nations" just can't grasp this reality. The 6,000-plus rocket attacks against Israel were provoked by nothing more than Israel's continued existence. As long as Israel exists, Hamas' goal remains unfulfilled. The numerous state-supported Islamic terrorist organizations feel the same way.

On the other hand, Israel has demonstrated that it will absorb almost any blow before resorting to war. Israel's one goal is to secure a lasting peace. To achieve that goal, Israel must eliminate the enemy's ability to wage war. If they don't, war will continue in perpetuity.

The U.N.'s definition of "proportionality" in the case of Israel's self-defense means that Israeli losses must be at least equal to Palestinian losses. If Israel follows this formula, it guarantees that they will eventually loose by attrition. It guarantees that war will continue until the Muslims get strong enough to finally obliterate Israel. Just think what would have been the outcome of World War II if the same irrational thinking had been forced on the allied armies fighting against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Some argue that Hamas is just defending itself, and homemade missiles are the only weapons they have against Israeli warplanes and tanks. But Hamas is NOT defending itself against Israel when it shells Israeli cities. Israel has not occupied Gaza since its 2005 withdrawal.

However, if Hamas would cease firing rockets and sending suicide bombers into Israel, there would be no need to defend itself. The borders would be open and peace and prosperity would follow.

The indiscriminate firing of rockets into civilian population centers is internationally acknowledged as a war crime. It constitutes collective punishment under U.N. treaty law. But since it's Hamas firing against Jewish targets, the United Nations is silent. This is just another example of how international law is more binding on Israel than any other nation on earth.

There is no other nation whose conduct is subjected to closer scrutiny by "international law experts" than Israel – the U.N. appointed them for that specific purpose. But in the case of Israel, it can be demonstrated that Israel's enemies use U.N. international law against them.

Hamas claims its attacks are in resistance to Israel's closing of its borders. But the reason why Israel closes its borders with Gaza are never mentioned. None of Israel's critics ever consider that every time Israel opens its borders to Palestinian workers, a flood of suicide bombers are sent in. And when Gaza's international borders are opened, Hamas rushes in new and more powerful rockets to fire at Israel's cities.

What is it about Israel that makes it the world's pariah state? How can it be that no insult to the Arabs is too slight to justify wholesale murder, whereas no atrocity, no matter how outrageous, justifies an Israeli defensive response? It matters not how reasonable and legitimate the defensive action would be for any other nation. But leaders from around the world have streamed into the U.N. to defend the "Palestinian democracy" – as if such an entity exists.

It makes absolutely no sense in the natural. Only the Bible can explain the mystery behind the supernatural hatred of the Jews. Bible prophecy predicted that Israel would be miraculously reborn in "the last days." The Bible also predicted that a supernatural hatred against Jews would grow worldwide. This will be soon followed by Armageddon and the return of Jesus the Messiah.

All of this is being fulfilled to the letter before our eyes. So don't be surprised or afraid. Christ's return to deliver those who have believed in Him is coming very soon.

davidylan:
what a stupid idiot just blabbering on the same old drivel that has been drilled into his head by clueless imaams.

At just over 8000 sq miles, Israel is 44 times smaller than Nigeria. Care to tell us just exactly which lands they

a. have occupied
b. are planning to occupy?

How did you know Israel's mission? I think, just like the rest of us, it is that they can be left alone to develop in peace.

those were hospitals built by the jews before they moved out in 2005. Hamas won elections in 2007 . . . where they the ones who built those hospitals idiot?

Hamas working on humanitarian assistance? What a joke.  Grin
But for their rocket attacks Israel wouldnt even care a jot whether they existed or not.

I will level it period! After hundreds of text messages, phone calls and leaflets warning the people to leave they only have themselves to blame.

please tell me which other army in the world gives its enemy advance warning of a strike?

davidylan:
How about we ask the REAL question - is using innocent women, men and potential suicide bombers as human shields the way to "resist"?

davidylan:
auwal you're just making irrelevant noise. How about HAMAS stop launching rockets and decided to resolve any differences at a round table? Is this too much to ask? Why shld other nations spend resources building missiles to stop you evil spawns of the arabs?

Again did you read my rebuttal to your false claim that Israel is "occupying" the middle east? If by "occupying" you mean merely existing then i get your point. Sorry . . . you can shout from now till tomorrow . . . all you'll get is this: