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Ptolomeus: I do not think Eledumaré is below or above ... I think that that's a big mistake. That story was sold the settlers, and was happily purchased by Africans for hundreds of years ...
I believe that a god is less when it dies or is killed by mere mortals. Is not the case Eledumaré.
My respects.

davidylan: What a fool. I have over 14 published articles on pubmed (America's basic science journal repository) and a book chapter published by Elsevier in the UK.
That we both post on an anonymous forum does not make us equals.

What in the above requires a "hardcore" science to understand? The conditions in pre-historic earth cannot be easily replicated in the lab for one reason only - no one really knows (beyond empty speculation) what those conditions were. You cant replicate what you dont know ode.

How did you make the incredibly daft jump of assuming that once we replicate the exact conditions on primordial earth, PST will be proven beyond all reasonable doubt? Suppose it simply goes on to prove that you truly cannot create life from a random mix of biomolecules?



Again daft. You cant use a telescope to see a spirit. Perhaps you have invented such a machine, show us then... mr hardcore/real science. As if the rest of us read yoruba in class.



There is a geologist here who doesnt agree with it either you fool.

davidylan: my mother and brother are doctors so what have u done that is special? and they are serious conservative christians much smarter than you.

I'm not "blowing latin" dumbo... those are basic english words. Grab a dictionary next time.

davidylan: and i guess you and logicboy are natural science majors? i laugh in greek.
Wonder why i cant get a smidgen of credible empirical evidence for all your pablum here.

2good: Atheist are different from religious people because they don't believe in a god. Some Atheist however, are guilty of proposing the big bang theory as a replacement for creationism even though they cannot defend it just like the theist cannot defend the theory of creationism.

davidylan: Quite daft really. You can sit here anonymously challenging my work but you cant remove the pali and industry recognition i've gotten already so lets move away from the territory of idiocy.
So on what basis do you believe in the primordial soup theory if you're simply waiting for better evidence so you can abandon it?



Huh? Telescopes disprove that God lives in the sky? Idiocy. I didnt know telescopes were now equipped with the ability to see spirits.

God as the cause of the big bang? We dont even believe the big bang in the first place so obviously you're talking out of your pie hole.

logicboy: Wait, you reject big bang and evolution, yet you laim to be a scientist. This means that you are not into biology or physics. Are you a psychologist, into chemisty or some pseudoscientist? Even theists accept big bang!

davidylan: this is rehashed nonsense. Atheists are those who have the mental courage to challenge dogma? You mean "dogma" like the theory of evolution?
they are the people hardworking enough to go into "indepth research"? You mean copying websites they dont understand to defend a claim they barely have a clue about? How have atheists HERE explained to us how exactly it is statistically possible for life to originate from chaos? If we are just the product of primordial soup then how have we been unable till next week at creating artificial life?

Puhlease.

Kay 17: Oluface, bringing something out of nothing is a logically impossibility. If your God could do that, then it is valid to say he is logically impossible.

logicboy: Your main concern is immortality because of your stupid christian doctrine of life after death/everlasting life in heaven. Immortality is not perfect. Immortality means that you will not take life seriously. You will take life slowly because you have all the time in the world.

Why not focus your concern on people around you? Why not be a humanist like some of your atheist brethren.



USA and Europe are not perfect. However, the try to be good for their citizens. If you noticed my previous comment, I actually siad that they have problems;




The have problems but they are willing to tackle it. Churches in America get investigated. People actually criticise fake men of God in America without fear in America- they expose gay pastors, expose the coverups of the catholic church etc.....Try this in Nigeria as if the politicans and masses who follow this men of God wont Oyedepo-Slap you to death.

There is unemployment in Europe and USA and you can see the politicans harassed to solved the problem by the masses and the media. The politicians are running helter skelter to find solutions that will ease the masses. Their countries aint perfect but they try to solve their problems.


You talk about racism but let's be honest, I have recieved racism from whites, Asians, Arabs etc. However, today, the most racist thing that has happened to me is by my own Nigerian brethren. I have Yoruba people who treated me as an illiterate because i did not speak their language- tribalism when the official language is English in Nigeria. In the UK today, no white/asian/black man will slap me for questioning his authority in a calm manner. Policemen, soldiers and ploticians will slap you or beat you in Nigeria if you ever question their authority. Oyedepo is one of those slappers.

In my own country, in Lagos, I have seen a white man order a policeman to beat a black young man because the youngman was talking to his girlfriend. The girlfriend was even an alleged prostitute that knew the young man. Can that happen in Europe or America? Will a white policeman ever beat a fellow white man on the orders of a black man

This is not to say that Nigerians are idiots. There are millions of Nigerians that are civilized and see the problem of religion and freedom. The problem is that they are an absolute minority

joe4christ: Now let me debunk your deluded assertion which it's either you've been forming deaf ears to testimonies of people all over the world who have once been clinically declared dead and after some days in the mogue they came back to life without medical rescusitation and gave testimonies of what they saw and heard and their whole experiences while dead or you're just ignorant as usual.

Right here in nigeria there are lots of people who had this experiences and i'm gonna post some link so you could see it for yourself, i really dont expect you to believe their testimonies but that would'nt change a thing neither would it make them to go back living the lives they lived before they had those experiences cos now it has changed there view about life itself and it has changed their lives positively.
Here are some links if you care to check for yourself;

http://www.spritlessons.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DH05DAzFQd2Y&v=H05DAzFQd2Y&gl=US

http://www.testimoniesofheavenandhell.com/tag/people-who-went-to-heaven/

And need i also tell you that my mum also had similar experience when delivering our last born, and also shared her experience with our entire family?

Do you think all this people formulated all this to gain popularity?
Think again bro! Nough said by me!!

logicboy: It will not. Such "miracles" will only lead people to their deaths. The woman was lucky. What about the other 75% that would die if they didnt listen to their doctors.

fubbyy: I'v heard this a lot and never believed it till I witnessed it yesterday.
a friend of mine's aunt was in a labor and was taken to a clinic (name withheld) here in ph, the doctor said she would go through operation in order to have safe delivery or else she would die, just few minutes to the operation, the lady requested to speak with her pastor before the operation commences, the doc get annoyed that if care is not taken that she would loose her life,after some argument the doctor ask the husband to call the pastor and let him know so he will continue with his job(operation) when the pastor was called, he instructed that the woman should not be operated till he gets there, we informed the doctor about the pastor's opinion, he shouted " arrant nonsense" before we know it, the pastor arrived with 2 other prayer warriors, but was not allowed inside the theatre, he gave a small bottle of water (which might be holy water) 2 a nurse to give the woman to drink, the doctor said it wasn't necessary, that it wasn't medical,before we know what's going on the pastor and his crew has started a serious prayer even some born again nurses joined them while the woman kept screaming inside the theatre, the more the prayer the more the woman scream, five minutes later a nurse inside the theatre rushed out to call the doctor from his office where he sadly went to when the pastors start praying, he came out and walk sluggishly inside the theatre as the woman's conditions get worst, few minutes later she delivered a baby, you need to see how sad the doctor looks while every1 was happy (including nurses) the husband wanted talking to the doctor, he shouted with anger .. Your wife has delivered , fine ,so go and clear your bills and take her away from here, it was obvious that the doc wasn't happy, is it because he didn't get as much money he would ve got or what?

cyber999: honestly, its a liberating experience to be rid of this morbid fear of hell and afterlife, it can be psychologically damaging especially on children, since what they label as sin is what is already in our nature and nobody can do anything about it.

until i understand this wager's fallacies and the religious system of keeping people under their control, i was still under the torment of spending eternity in hell somehow if i mistakenly disobey one of their laws.its funny how adults can still believe fairy tales and stories that are meant to scare children into behaving themselves.

by the way, i respect your earlier thread "i gave up God and religion today, i am free". i respect your boldness and fearless courage. and even if heaven exists (i dont see a rational reason for it anyway) may be its the courageous people like you that God will admit there instead of these coward, gullible, follow follow religionists who refuses to use their brain.

jmoore: That's where all atheists keep getting it wrong. You can't prove heaven or hell scientifically. It is not physical but spiritual. The real you is your spirit, you may realize that by the time you are dead.

PapaBrowne: Can you tell me how come you believe "the bones are fossils of men who lived in the early centuries"? Did you see them? Have you touched them?? Why do U [b]believe [/b]in something that could be discovered to be a fairy tale? Someone just thought up the idea of fossils and you [b]believe [/b]it just like that?? For someone that [b]believes [/b]only in things he has sensed, I'm really at a loss as to how you came about believing [/b]in Fossils.


About scans and Xrays, its amazing that you actually [b]believe [/b]that a piece of glass with light shinning through could actually tell you whats inside the human body. It takes a lot of faith to believe that! Because, it could actually be that what you thought were pictures from the human body were just lateral designs embedded in the glass.

PapaBrowne: How do you know that people from ancient times were buried with ancient artifacts?? Please tell me how you came to that conclusion, because you weren't there when they claimed that happened. So how come you know for sure that people were buried with ancient artifacts? For all I care they could just be rock formations that looked like skeletons and it could all just be coincidental. I'm surprised you believed that- something you never sensed!!

Carbon Dating? You believe that stuff?? Seriously??
[b]Definition
Radiocarbon dating (sometimes simply known as carbon dating) is a radiometric dating method that uses the naturally occurring radioisotope carbon-14 (14C) to estimate the age of carbon-bearing materials up to about 58,000 to 62,000 years.

What the heck is radioisotope. Whats that definition up there?? Someone just came up with something from his head and named it Radioisotope, a group of people [b]believed [/b]him and today are using what they [b]believe [/b]to ascertain the age of materials?? No exact measure to test the authenticity since nobody was present thousands of years ago to verify for us if carbon dating is accurate?? And yet without that full proof accuracy, you believe [/b]in carbon dating??

Can you explain how different are you from all them Christians who go around [b]believing [/b]stuff they have no proof or sensory based evidence about?

PapaBrowne: How do you know that people from ancient times were buried with ancient artifacts?? Please tell me how you came to that conclusion, because you weren't there when they claimed that happened. So how come you know for sure that people were buried with ancient artifacts? For all I care they could just be rock formations that looked like skeletons and it could all just be coincidental. I'm surprised you believed that- something you never sensed!!

Carbon Dating? You believe that stuff?? Seriously??
[b]Definition
Radiocarbon dating (sometimes simply known as carbon dating) is a radiometric dating method that uses the naturally occurring radioisotope carbon-14 (14C) to estimate the age of carbon-bearing materials up to about 58,000 to 62,000 years.

What the heck is radioisotope. Whats that definition up there?? Someone just came up with something from his head and named it Radioisotope, a group of people [b]believed [/b]him and today are using what they [b]believe [/b]to ascertain the age of materials?? No exact measure to test the authenticity since nobody was present thousands of years ago to verify for us if carbon dating is accurate?? And yet without that full proof accuracy, you believe [/b]in carbon dating??

Can you explain how different are you from all them Christians who go around [b]believing [/b]stuff they have no proof or sensory based evidence about?

PapaBrowne: How do you know that people from ancient times were buried with ancient artifacts?? Please tell me how you came to that conclusion, because you weren't there when they claimed that happened. So how come you know for sure that people were buried with ancient artifacts? For all I care they could just be rock formations that looked like skeletons and it could all just be coincidental. I'm surprised you believed that- something you never sensed!!

Carbon Dating? You believe that stuff?? Seriously??
[b]Definition
Radiocarbon dating (sometimes simply known as carbon dating) is a radiometric dating method that uses the naturally occurring radioisotope carbon-14 (14C) to estimate the age of carbon-bearing materials up to about 58,000 to 62,000 years.

What the heck is radioisotope. Whats that definition up there?? Someone just came up with something from his head and named it Radioisotope, a group of people [b]believed [/b]him and today are using what they [b]believe [/b]to ascertain the age of materials?? No exact measure to test the authenticity since nobody was present thousands of years ago to verify for us if carbon dating is accurate?? And yet without that full proof accuracy, you [b]believe [/b]in carbon dating??

Can you explain how different are you from all them Christians who go around [b]believing [/b]stuff they have no proof or sensory based evidence about?

2good: Can you give me just one logical proof of the existence of heaven and hell besides all what you were brain washed with from childhood without quoting from the bible?

brainpulse: I believe its a Joke

brainpulse: @Logicboy

Longtime no hear. I saw your thread then dropped by.

If I may ask to start with.

What is the color of your heart?
What is the color of your brain?
What is the color of the words you speak?
What stopped you or anybody to paint the picture of Jesus Christ Anyhow?
What is the color of your conscience?

Welcome back.

mkmyers45: Then what do you have to say about this: www.nairaland.com/937483/evidence-juju

alexleo: fools giving themselves for surrendering to satan and hell. Keep deceiving yourselves. By the time you die and face the same God you are rejecting now, it will be too late. That somebody decided not to see acid as deadly does not mean that if drinks acid he will not die. Keep deceiving yourselves.