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@aloyemeka

The question is "should" because "can" is a doable verb. SO as brother Olabowale said, a muslim should not work in an industry that produces waht is haram. If a muslim finds himself in such a situation (eg new convert) he should make a concerted effort to get a lawful means of livelihood.

Maybe just maybe, he will rethink doing nothing about the country after this but then "yawwnnnnnn" it's a maybe

@oludy, ubamu

Very poor taste you both

If he did not do that, they may carry out an effective coup before he returns. Yes he does wish to remain in power,

What for?! I do not know since we have not had stable power since he came to power.

Power!!!!!  ahhhhhhh !!!

Sweet power


_{sheeeooh hisses and checks out of naija}

I always knew that okiro boy/man wasn't right. First with him raising a false alarm about alqaeda wanting to attack Nigeria, well this is what Yar adua has to offer. Really pathetic.

Patience,

methink they'll find it, and hope they do too. Problem is not resources, has never been really. It's been poor management and hatred towards one's likes.

I have to rethink this returning to naija thing, dang!

Utterly depressing and shameful

It is very dignified when you admit that you commited an error;

yong babe:
I watched a debate,
Where this islamic guy ( Dnt remember his name, bt i know he is in jail now),
was using verses in the quran, 2 defend his actions.
Verses that actually kind of supported what he was doin 

n like i said before i aint hatting,
just trying to understand

So now you decide to list the much-publicized names of “terrorists”. You say you want to understand, get a copy of the Quran and read (there are translations in English and some other languages).

There will be noo excuse for ignorance on the day of judgement

Okay,

tell us his name or you are indeed untruthful.

yong babe,

you mean this guy


http://video.aol.com/video-detail/anis-shorrosh-humiliated-and-in-jail-liberated-christian/147411354


You know you just lied but I will say you are too young/naive, I will not say your religion asked you to lie.

Pastor/bible scholar David,

"Hear, Oh Israel, the Lord, your God is ONE", (Daya, otu, OKANSOSO).

Is this really in the bible? Oh well, I guess it's directed at Israel and you could argue from that point.

Anyone with access can post just about any question about anything. This issue is becoming stale. If a muslim does something bad, it does not mean that Islam asked him to do so.

Your choice, if you don't like Islam, convince yourself it is "bad", don't even try to find the truth out. Just believe that the muslim that killed muslims and non muslims is infact practising Islam.

Like I say, no Christian has ever bombed anyone in the name of Christ Jesus or the bible.

Keep deluding yourselves. _{hisses and leaves room topic}

@Queenisha
 

Read again, pls

At my workplace, we recently lost a 20- year old kid that was so full of life and so friendly. He had just started Graduate school and was found dead in his dorm room. He was a non – muslim. (Bio information altered to protect deceased privacy).

Initial autopsy results revealed nothing and so far we are waiting on the Toxicology reports.


Brothers and sisters, I would like to know what the Islamic stand is on things like this. Given the society that we live in, it would be nice to know the right thing to do.

Speaking in tongues? A prying question

First explain what speaking in tongues is, and don't tell me it's that theatrical display that some of my christian school mates were practising/rehearsing when they thought no one was watching; or the one that someone was awarded a prize "best in speaking in tongues" for.

If that's the one, No, muslims do not "speak in tongues"

Some other people have answered already and I answered just in case you didn't see it

@Frizy

I believe your experience/dream. I find that if you strive to be closer to Allah, you wil experience these. May Allah make it easier for us all, Amin

@malama,

Pls read below and deny that these are excerpts from the bible.  As for the verses that you quoted, I will be responding insha Allah,verse by verse.

I have edited some of the associated comments but the verses are easily verifiable



There are obviously many other examples of brutality in the Bible (the best summary I've seen is Gregg Easterbrook's "Beside Still Waters".
Forgive my sloppiness, but it seemed useful to make a point, which is not that Christianity or Judaism are inherently violent but rather that the exercise of scanning ancient texts and pulling out passages depicting violence is of dubious value.
Citations:

For a particularly nice summary of the Bible's violent elements see Gregg Easterbrook's wonderful book, "Beside Still Waters."
A village is raided and everyone killed "until their was not one survivor left." (This is actually from Numbers 21:35, the story of the taking of Bashan.)


After another battle, troops have slain many men but the "prophet" is disturbed that male infants weren't killed--so he sends the troops back to finish the job. (This actually occurs in Numbers 31:14-17, when Israel takes vengeance on the Mid'ianites.)



[b]They are shown to be not only brutal but treacherous (history worth remembering as we consider peace treaties). In one battle, the people of the scriptures promised peace to a tribe nearby and then, when they were lulled into complacency, massacred "all the males." They kept the women as slaves. (This is a story from Genesis 34:25, when Simeon and Levi take vengeance on Shechem, who had defiled their sister Dinah.)[/b]The hatred for other faiths: At one point, the Jews of the area had offered peace and Elijah invited them to a ceremony to declare peace. Instead, Elijah massacred the 950 of them. (As Elijah does, in I Kings 18:40, to the followers of the false God Ba'al.)


Later, when some of his followers strayed by following non-scriptural sex practices, God literally directs a slaughter of another 24,000: "take all the heads of the people and hang them up before God against the sun." (This slaughter occured in Numbers 25:9, when some Isarelites were found to have joined the Moabites in improper sex.)

In one case, some foods were not cooked according to the laws, and the two men were immediately executed. (The Lord smites Nadab and Abi'hu, the sons of Aaron, in Leviticus 10:2, for offering an unholy sacrifice.)



At one point, some people had the temerity to question one of the dietary laws and God supposedly responded by sending poisonous snakes to kill people. At another point, Joshua had led his troops to victory but then proceeded to murder and then mutilate the Instruments of the opponents. In one case, they set fire to a walled city and then wait of the fleeing victims and slaughter them as they try to escape. (As Joshua and the people of Israel do to the city of Ai in Joshua 8:22.)


In one case, a mob is attacking a man and he responds by offering his own daughter to be raped. (As in Judges 19:24.)

In some cases, it specifies that women who are raped should be executed. (One of these cases appear in Deuteronomy 22:23-27.)

In another case, God literally instructs that to repopulate a diminished tribe they should go to a nearby field, wait for the women to come out, kidnap, rape and marry them. (In Judges 21:20-24, Benjamite soldiers are told to repopulate their tribe by kidnapping the women of Shiloh.)

This is all very consistent and the theology that undergirds this is spelled out in chilling clarity, directly from Jesus himself: "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." (This quote is actually attributed to Jesus in the New Testament, Matthew 10:34.)


Finally, if there's any doubt about the fanatical nature of the faith, it should be dispelled with this chilling passage: "Happy shall they be who take your little ones [babies] and dash them against the rock." (This quote is actually from the Psalms, 137:9, when the exiled Israelites dream of revenge against Babylon.)
It is easy for you to turn a blind eye to this with your statement denying terrorist acts are supported by your bible.

@Of course you wouldn't see it, we all know that!

@Malama

Impressive turnaround wouldn't you say?

One woulda thought that you were being objective at first but I see that some raw nerves have been hit and you believe that putting Islam down will make you feel better.

Now, how come you have so much knowledge about Islam and the Quran? You want to post here those Quranic verses that support what the 9-11 actors did? That would be enlightening.

We are all entitled to our opinions but do not insult our collective intelligence by pretending to be truthful or objective. At least we may not agree with David but we sure know where he stands.

@David

weird isn't it. You are the only one laughing.

Thank you Pastor david,

Exactly what I was saying in my previous post. You only buttressed my point with some red bolded biblical verses.

And Paul? Yeah now I remember, he was present too!!!

@david
"Sell your garments to buy swords"

"sword" means "spiritual" sword, the same "sword" carried by "disciples" for "self defence" definitely not for "war". War ke, oo  ti o.

"Sword", misunderstood by disciples to mean sword. "Swords" (carried by disciples) so small they (disciples) could conceal it from Jesus(God/Jesus/holy ghost = trinity) hence he could not correct them that they misunderstood him,  and disciple later produced it to cut someone's ear.

You have little understanding and that is why you are so astounded that I do not speak evil about the followers of Jesus/Isa (AS) cos you see David, you are not a follower of Jesus, you just think you are.

Got it!

David,

Easy o, fraud ke? Is what I posted not in the bible. You asked about "sword" and one instance that it was used, I gave you an answer, you say I be fraud. Na wa oh!

Na fight? Let's track back a little. Are you implying that the sword that Jesus talked about, that cut someone's ear off, (the ear that was reattached) according to the bible, was NOT physical?

Hmnnn,
Boy, you are way more deluded than I thought.

Malama,

I refered David to the bible since he did not know that the apostles/disciples prepared for war by buying actual swords. I agree with you that terrorist acts should be rebuked.

FYI, the disciple that cut someone's ear off was not a terrorist, he was only trying to defend his party; don't go demeaning these people, remeber they were being attacked.

And just so you know, Jesus and his disciples were way outnumbered and he was not instructed by Allah/God to fight, this is why it happened that way.

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=158598.msg2635000#msg2635000 date=1218342670]Because he is subject to the Father. He is the Word and can do nothing without the Father. But along with the Father he existed from the beginning. The Word/law spoken to the prophets is who Jesus the Christ is. He is the Word of God in the flesh. The law that God gave to man is whom we call Jesus. He is the right hand of God. Separating him from God the Father is mutilating God. Just as if I were to separate you from your right hand I will be mutilating you. But still just as your hand is a part of you, it cannot do anything without your command.
In simplest terms, the Father is "the brain" that sends out the command, and the Son is "the hand" that carries it out.

Just as your hand is subject to you, so is the Son subject to the Father, and just as your hand is not separate from you so is the Son not separate from the Father.
Your hand may be called Cayon's hand, but in essence it is still Cayon and no one else.

Except my grandmother or aunt is not the same as my mother in essence and in person. They have their own different identities. Jesus and the Father are the same. Ok in simplest terms. If Jesus was to be found and a DNA was to be done it would show God's DNA (note: I am not saying that God is physical, but I wanted to use that to show you that Jesus is God)

No, Christians refer to Jesus as God because he let us know so. When he was called God by his apostles he never disputed it and when he spoke he identified himself as God with the name for God.
He also let us know that he is he saviour of mankind.

And no the Christians did not corrupt the Bible, the books were written by different witnesses at different times and they still tell the same story. It would have been absolutely impossible for the "corruption" to take place, because transportation was not as advanced as it is today, and because all of the apostles were undergoing persecution, they were not staying in one place and it was higly difficult for them to be around each other all the time. Take St. John for example, he was imprisoned on the Island of Patmos, far far away from the other apostles. Yet he had the same message as the others.
As for St. Paul he did not contradict anything that the other apostles wrote, neither did he change anything, or enter into Christianity to destroy it from the inside. Don't forget that the Christians were already being killed for the same message that Paul preached. If he was trying to destroy it, the message being taught then won't be the same message today, but it is. It is impossible for Paul to have changed the message, because the message being taught is the message he persecuted. He didn't change it. The message changed him.

But it's not just the Bible that suppots it, the history of others support it. Those who hated Christianity spoke of the same message and they hated the message.[/quote]More gibberish!

Thank you all for enlightening us more.

Salaam

@David

davidylan:
Dont be foolish. Please show me just ONE VERSE where Christ went to war in 33 years on earth? Do you understand bible verses at all or you just pluck them from the air? Ok saw Christ's disciples sold their cloaks and purchased swords (if actually they ever did) but just WHERE did they use these swords?

One of the disciples of Jesus cut off someone's ear when Jesus was about to be arrested. That is one place where the sword was used according to the bible. Surprised that you asked though.

davidylan:
Dont be silly, i have been asking you this question for the last 2 months . . . where is YOUR answer? Is hypocrisy your middle name? Maybe the day you answer i will be obliged to answer you too.

David, the question of what sin is was answered not only by Brother olabowale but by a number of other muslims. Remember a lot of people are reading this and you are showing yourself to be untruthful.

Reindeer,

Rejoinder.

Good plan that you want to read the Quran. I hope you are enlightened by it. See this is what I meant when I said, I thought that you were smart.



Lighten up

@reindeer
You surely did not think that I would not post because you said so. Now you do not call Islam fiction and expect me to look at you as smart. The truth is I saw a post by you and I thought that you were smart but the moment I saw you call Islam fiction, it was thumbs down.

SO yes, you can disagree but no name calling that will go unanswered.