₦airaland Forum

jacobs123:
I'm repeating it. I got nothing from Fashola's govt last year even though I paid more tax than Fashola himself! I have no water supply, no access to reasonable mortgage, no access to public school and do not even pray to need to use LASG hospitals 'cos even Tinubu and Fashola will not use them, I value my life too! The only tarred road in my locality got worse last year courtesy of HItech and LCC. Before LCC and Hitech, Ajah to VI was 1 hr tops but now it's anything from 3 hrs


I guess it's comedy time, lmoa. Till you're able to show me your tax records and Fashola's tax records, please shut up and quit insulting people's intelligence with your rubbish,



I can talk about such states because they build new roads (certainly more than 23 Km), pay salaries, make frivolus trips abroad for executive and legislators and steal state money from their ~N50 bn budget yet Lagos wants to resurface a 23Km road for same amount, please explain to me why I can't make comparison. meanwhile, there's evidence that Lagos state has coughed out N5 bn on this same project and depending on who you talk to LASG may have coughed out up to N20 Bn.

Fell free to talk about other states, it does nothing but compounds your ignorance and faulty sense of reasoning.



Lagos state may be poor by American standards but is probably the richest in Nigeria and if its really a poor state, please let's see the evidence in the lives of our public officials.


Like tpia1 asked, which public officials in particular are you referring to?

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netotse:
touche. . .apparently you cant help yourself either. your (well-documented)knee-jerk reactions as far as LASG is concerned is more telling than you think

P.S. My guess is that you were going for a stylish insult right? you're going to have to do much better than that. . .smh

If you have something better to contribute and help the topic along, go ahead and state your case, just don't bother me with silly rubbish.

Like I said, I can't help you.

Stealthy:
I tire for folks like tpia & babapupa. U guys keep bringing up USA. But in reality how many roads within cities are tolled in USA? I was in LA recently. I did not drive on a single tolled road. I know some intercity roads are tolled abroad. But that's like putting tolls on Lagos-Ibadan - no one would complain about that.

It is unfair to put tolls on a road that people use on their daily commute to work/school/shop. Worse still that it's 3 toll gates on such a short stretch (compare to 3 tolls previously on the ~120km Lagos-Ibadan expressway). Even worse still, the road construction has significantly increased traffic on that road and only about 25% of the work is complete. This can only happen in Naija!

You really should be tired for yourself because of your inability to spot the differences and dynamics  between  The City Of Los Angeles and Lagos State.

#1. Los Angeles is a city, not a state like Lagos State.

#2. The population of the City of Los Angeles is 3 million and their budget is 7 billion dollars (A city, not a state)

#3The population of the State of Lagos is 18 million and the budget is only 2 billion dollars (A Real state)

#4. The infrastructure in Los Angeles is fully developed and most of their budget is not going towards capital projects, they are basically maintaining decades old infrastructure.

#5 The state of Lagos is starting from scratch with a huge chunk of the budget going towards capital projects.




Now, to deal with your misguided comment about toll roads in LA. Who really should be tolling roads? A rich and fully developed city with 7 billion dollars budget and just 3 million people or a non developed and poor state with a budget of 2 billion dollars and 18 million people?

There is little or no need for a fully developed and rich city like LA to toll roads, but there is more than enough need for the State Of Lagos to toll roads, Lagos is a poor state saddled with the ultimate responsibility of taking care of millions of folks from every corner of Nigeria in search of a better life and opportunity, the same better life and opportunity that the federal government is not providing. 


A whole lot of you people are too petty, shortsighted and unrealistic, you have little or no life experience to guide and help you think wisely and formulate good judgment.

I tip my hat to the Great State of Lagos for doing so much, looking after and taking care of 18 million people with chump change less than 3 years into Fashola's administration.

netotse:
you failed to answer an important question he asked. . .why does the road cost more to build in lagos? all the reasons you pasted above can be seen as reasons why it should NOT cost more than it would cost to build same road in said rural areas.

I'm not sure what your problem is, but I'm thinking lack of ability to read and understand or Dyslexia, either way, I can not help you.

jacobs123:
I must commend the civility of the discussants on this thread so far but one has to wonder how babapupa reasons.

You keep talking of foreign investors, the LASG has put N5 bn in this project and you keep telling us they are tolling because they have no money. I have not seen any evidence that more than N5 bn has been spent on this project yet yet money has been collected from banks.  How come the Bordillon guys don't have to pay for their road, how about the guys on Western avenue, how about the Okota link bridge?

I can't even begin to state how I feel that someone will type what you have up there in a Democracy but I guess that's the way people like you and TINUBU reason and he's taking over the whole state for himself afterall he's the GODFATHER but sorry to let you know, we are not his Godsons!!!

We are demanding a full investigation of the whole project 'cos it's just too shady.

We can't be threatened by Fashola, we've not benefitted from him and LAgos state is worse off as a result of lack of will to stand up to his evil Godfather. the N50 bn we are talking here for resurfacing of 23Km road is the budget of states like OSUN, ABIA, JIGAWA, ZAMFARA, KWARA yet they still construct a few new roads and the Governors and commissioners will steal money also.

I'm not sure you understand what N50 bn is but I guess you are just one of the ACN propaganda machines. This time you guys are sure gonna lose!!!

Eko O ni Baje!!!

Saying you have not benefited from Fashola betrayed you and your comments. It strips you of whatever credibility. You don't have to remain in Lagos just to deal with ACN or Fashola, move to Ogun or Oyo state and go feel at home with your PDP folks, they'll treat you nice.  

Unfortunately for you, I don't operate on emotions and ignorance like many of you.


#1. Only an ignorant and non Lagosian compares and sites other state's budget to make a point per Lagos state and it's finances.

The states you mention are glorified towns and  villages called states

Lagos state's population is 18 million and the states you mentioned have less than half of Lagos state's population.

The societal and  infrastructural demand in Lagos state outweighs the states you mentioned combined x 10.

The states you mention are not welcoming thousands of Nigerians from every corner of Nigeria every single day and stretching the state's resources and infrastructure to the bones.

Lastly, stop feeling so important about Lagos state's money or budget, the state is extremely poor @ 2 billion dollars/18 million people and crumbling with non existing infrastructure.

#2. Talking about democracy, democracy also empowers the government to make decisions on behalf of the people to better the state and the people.

Many states in the United states/The main fountain of the same democracy you're touting are not only tolling roads with or without alternatives, they are directly selling public properties like roads, bridges, water works, parking meters and other state services to generate money for whatever.

One clown cited Chicago as a good and well governed city just to trash Lagos state and it's tolling policies, well, chicago is not only tolling, they are  leasing and selling public properties to private entities to generate money to take care of deficits and shortfalls, not even on other capital projects.

Fire Sale Chicago: After Selling Roads, Parking Meters, Mayor Mulls Leasing Water System

http://www.puppetgov.com/2009/10/26/firesale-chicago-after-selling-roads-parking-meters-mayor-mulls-leasing-water-system/


Chicago Scores $1.16B With Meter Lease Deal - Bond Buyer Article

http://www.bondbuyer.com/issues/117_230/-297115-1.html


Foreign Investors Lease US Toll Roads


http://lighthousepatriotjournal./2006/07/15/foreign-investors-lease-us-toll-roads/

Chicago is used as an example: “Last year, the city sold a 99-year lease on the eight-mile Chicago Skyway for $1.83 billion. The buyer was the same consortium that leased the Indiana Toll Road – Macquarie Infrastructure Group of Sydney, Australia, and Cinta Conseioners de Infreastructuras de Transporte of Madrid, Spain. Chicago used the money to pay off debt and fund road projects. Skyway tolls rose 50 cents to $2.50; by 2017, they will reach $5.”

And in South Africa, nearly all the government roads are tolled and many don't even have alternate routes.

You people really need to get off the emotions and start smelling the coffee.

tpia1:
was there really a chandelier in his guest toilet?


and, is the piece a satire?

Sounds like satire and I chuckled real hard, but that ugly elephant house ain't no satire,

http://www.wazobiareport.com/default.aspx/Lagos-state-introduces-Ugly-Building-tax <<Satire, not real>>

Mingler:
Election is is coming, ACN recently lost an house of Assembly election in Ikorodu part of lagos to the PDP just few days back, it is feared that if the toll gate is imposed,the people of Lekki-Epe-Etiosa axis may give protest votes to PDP in this year's Election and this will be inimical to ACN sice the people of that axis are part of the most important indigeneous settlements in Lagos, I can bet it with you, It is coming, However, I think the project is a good idea but the price they are charging is rather much, i think 50 naira is ok, cos a lot of vehicles ply that route, enough to make the investor quickly recoop its investment.
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I really want Fashola to call their bluff, let them go to their PDP, I'm sure PDP have a lot of nothings to offer them.

They are not going to hold the government and Lagosians hostage.

netotse:
@babapupa
that's a thoughtless thing to say(or even think). you sef know that if BRF were rumoured to have said that in public his chances of winning a fair election will drop by at least 20%.

What's so thoughtless about stating eventual and destined realities. Get rid of Fashola it makes you sleep well at night, it still doesn't matter who is in power, the fact that the state doesn't have enough money to satisfy our infrastructural needs remains the same.

We need to stop crying and whining, we all have to swallow many bitter pills till we get to our desired destination infrastructurally.

Are you people even aware that government is equipped with the right and sole authority to sell that or any public road to any private entity without providing all the stuff you people are crying about, talk less tolling?


This is obviously a concerned government. I do appreciate the fact that they are listening to the folks in the area and  trying to settle the issue.  I know shared sacrifice is new to many, but the government can't keep dancing to your selfish needs and complaints.

The government does not have enough money to satisfy the state's infrastructural needs and if what you desire is up to date infrastructure, we all pay to pay for it some way, some how.

ndu_chucks:
You made this comment about the news on the suspension of toll collection:


I assumed it meant that there is nothing good about the suspension. If that was not what you meant, then apologies and Happy New Year.

There's nothing good about this news, many are to ignorant and shortsighted for their own good

All in one sentence and obviously about the folks agitating against tolling.



Like I said, I know my state and Lagosians, they'll work it out. It's very painful reading so many ignorant statements on NL. People don't pay attention to the state, but they want to force their ignorant opinion down people's spine.

Many sat here talking rubbish, but they didn't go to the state's website to get the state's point of view or what they are doing to address the concerns of the citizenry,


I keep telling you, this is a good development, it shows clean and pure democracy and maturity.

News: LAGOS ANNOUNCES SUSPENSION OF TOLL COLLECTION COMMENCEMENT ON THE ETI-OSA LEKKI EPE EXPRESSWAY
Date Posted: 2010-12-30 09:40:41

The Lagos State Government on Wednesday announced the indefinite suspension of the commencement of toll collection on the Eti –Osa Lekki Epe ExpressWay.

In a press statement signed by the Director General of the Lagos State Public- Private Partnership Office, Mr Ayo Gbeleyi, the State Government said the suspension is to enable the Government to further engage with the concessionaire (Lekki Concession Company Limited) (LCC) and the concerned stakeholders.
[b]
“As a listening and responsive Government, and in deference to appeals by well- meaning citizens and a further demonstration of the Lagos State Government’s commitment to the yearning of the people, His Excellency, Mr Babatunde Fashola (SAN) has today (Wednesday) directed the indefinite suspension of Toll Collection on the Eti -Osa Lekki Epe Expressway originally billed for the 3rd of January 2010”.

The statement added that in the intervening period, the Government will work with LCC to ensure that the road works progress considerably and that Alternative Routes (in addition to the one at Toll Plaza 1 that has been fully upgraded) for which the Government has responsibility, are substantially completed.

It added that this would ensure that road users who desire not to pay tolls would have the option as well as the benefit of enjoying a significant part of the completed road sections.

“In addition, Government will be addressing the financial implications of this suspension with the concessionaires and their financiers to maintain the integrity and investor friendly posture of the State”.

The statement also said “Government would like to seize the opportunity to once again thank all citizens and stakeholders who have been very supportive of the administration’s efforts for a radical transformation of Lagos State for their continued understanding and support towards the successful delivery of the road infrastructure”. [/b]

God bless the great state of Lagos.


Happy New Year.


Eko o ni baje lai lai,

ndu_chucks:
@babapupa, I too do not have any objection to using tolls as a means of financing Lekki expressway.  I however, welcome the review of this contract to make sure that sweetheart deals that are unfair and probably criminal, which may have been embedded in the contract, for the benefit of the usual suspects, are completely expunged from the contract. If this will delay toll collections a bit, so be it.

Why did you object to the suspension of this toll collection? This objection was the basis of my initial post.

I gladly ignored that part of your write up be because it asked me to justify what I never asserted. I questioned the local folks objection to tolling which you yourself just supported by saying you have no objection to tolling, but I didn't question the suspension, I'll let the state handle that.

ndu_chucks:
@babapupa, what is your objection to temporarily putting toll collection on hold and revisit the underlying contract, in an attempt to ensure that Lagosian's receive the best deal possible.  If indeed Fashola's actions are illegal, what is wrong with going to court for remedies?  This is a simple non academic question.

I'd be surprised if your position differs from mine on these simple questions.  By the way, cut it out, and stop dodging the issues with not-so-clever fontenizations.

Thanks for formulating and putting forward your thoughts minus the needless insults.

The fact is, from the administration down to the local agitators, there is more than enough blame to go around.

The state obviously did not educate the people or provide enough info to the local folks about the state's intention about the scheme and possible outcome. Also, the local folks and or Nigerians in general are not socially and mentally ready for tolling, talk less it's importance in terms of rapid development and great property value. It doesn't matter how you cut and dice it, tolling is a new concept and people still have to warm up to tolling.

Obviously, there is a gulf of empty info going back and forth when you have people agitating against what they stand to benefit from immensely in a lot of ways and the state not doing enough in terms of arming the local folks with credible info about the project and it's importance to the local folks and the state in general.

I know my state and the huge burden the state is shouldering from huge and steady expanding population to some lousy 2 billion dollars to go around. While we're  siting here arguing about some toll road, there are other huge projects going on all over the state with zero noise.

Agiliti people have been separated from other parts of Lagos for over 40 years, but they now have a road and a bridge to link them with the rest of the state. Also from Oyingbo Market to the New Tejuosho Market, Ishaga Road, Idi Araba Road, Agiliti and Maidan, Iyana- Ipaja- Idimu Road, Ikotun Road and Obalende motor park and the other major projects like the metro rail system, the many jetties Ten lane Badagry freeway.

The burden is huge, but with capable leadership and good vision, the state is doing great with what they have to operate with.


I'm not passing any form of judgment because I'm not an irrational individual, I see where the state and the local folks are coming from. I know Lagosians, they will work it out and move on because Lagos is more than the governor and the Lekki folks, they always work things out. Under the same spirit, the state assembly and the governor settled their differences because their issues was affecting the state and Lagosians.


To tell you the truth, I like what is going on, this is pure democracy, this is really good for the state government and the people of Lagos. This is a learning curve  and we'll definitely emerge stronger and educated.

It is in our best interest to start warming up to tolls and other forms of taxes if quality development and good infrastructure is what we desire as Lagosians.



Eko o ni baje o

bidemi12:
Yeah m.o.r.on, I’m back. You forced me to do a more detailed research. Here are some links ranging crimie monitoring to government expenditures to campaign funding. Digest it well not-so-smart person. http://publicrecords.searchsystems.net/Free_Public_Records_by_Type_of_Record/Government_Employees/   http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Public_employee_salary     http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/IL_Cook.htm.

Hope you can understand it. If you cant then give me a holla. M.o.r.on

P.s I suspect you are lacky campaign tool for the tinubu/fashola team. There is something strange about this you blind dogged not-so-smart person loyalty. It’s impressive even for a r.eetard.

Unfortunately for your .dumb a/s/s, you were asked to provide links detailing Chicago's budget and spending, the links you posted said no such thing, stop your 419 madness. The links are about federal employee salaries and government parastatals. Nothing about budget, talk less Chicago budget. 

You know I'm siting here patting myself on the back for putting up with your idiocy?

#1 Failure. First, you propped up a corrupt city as a good example of good financial governance and I busted that by showing clearly with facts that they are way corrupt and many of their officials are in jail or going to jail.   You are a lair.

#2 Failure. You said lagos state officials are crooked and that's why they didn't put their budget and spending on their website. You lied because the budget and spending is on the state's website and I posted the link to expose your lie. You also refused to come up with Chicago's budget which I did in less than 10 seconds, instead, you posted a dead and fake link to fool yourself. You are a lair.


#3 Failure. You were incapable of doing the most basic think that a high schooler could do in seconds which is obtaining basic info from websites. instead of producing the website with the figures, you said the website is down because they are on holidays.  You are a lair.



Are you ok in the head? Did you pass WAEC or SAT gan sef?

ndu_chucks:
I suspected you were not very bright, but I'm more inclined to believe that you are hiding the inadequacies of your position on Fashola's actions, in your supposed ignorance or inability to understand my post.  You don't fool me buddy.

You are not doing anything special, even a day old kid sabi how to throw insults. I asked you recompose and resend your thoughts, not regurgitate the same meaningless and irrelevant rubbish that's got nothing to do with and not contributing anything to do topic.

Please act like you know how to read and write. Now, go do what I asked you to do,

Rousseau:
I still do not see why there is so much hostility towards the toll collection for the Lekki Expressway. It will provide some much needed revenue for Lagos. This revenue in turn can help improve the road system throughout the entire city. My complaint with Nigeria, is that we have so few taxes. The government derives much of its income from the oil revenue and not through taxes. This does not help the Nigerian people, because the government does derive its power from the people. So how can a people have a say in the government, when the government itself is not beholden to the people?

It's called shortsightedness. They are basically fighting against their own interest and they don't even know it.

I can't believe people are complaining about double taxation when the government is not even taxing the petrol in their cars to build and fix roads, tax cigarettes to fund health programs.

They want everything, but ignore the fact that everything got to be paid for. Developed nations did not arrived at development by accident or for free, people are sacrificing and paying for everything.


We have a long way to go in Nigeria, unfortunately, we are not ready for prime time. The government should be able to say, hey people, lets create a special and untouchable road fund to build and fix roads in Lagos by paying 1 penny tax on everything we buy and on payroll.  

Just look at the great security trust fun initiative by the governor, though it's voluntary, but they managed to get from it the best and the most effective and equipped police in Nigeria, they bought 2 new crime fighting helicopters, armored personnel carriers, power bikes, bullet proof vests, communication gadgets, patrol cars and police stations.


I truly believe we'll get there because I trust Lagosians and believe in their capacity to always do the right thing and keep the state ahead of others.  Good or bad, this fight between the people and the government is true democracy and this shall be resolved and we'll gladly move on to better things like we always do. What matters most to every Lagosian is [b]Eko o ni baje [/b]because it's not just a slogan, it's a state of mind.

bidemi12:
^^^^

As your intellectual god i have no choice but to school you again. Did you even click on the link? and for transperency sake why should it be a govt site? "sigh" here we go again.

LMAO. Look at this olodo. School yourself with your lies and deception. You posted a bogus 419 link.

You're running your mouth about Chicago, but you're still incapable of pulling up the city's budget online which I did in less than 10 seconds, now you want me to click on a bogus link. What for? To look at some blank screen? What an i.diot. Thank me for doing what your lying a/s/s should have done and incapable of doing.


Again, what's your point again. You ran your mouth about Chicago having their budget and spending on line and Lagos state is not because their officials are thieves.

That was a lie and you were too lazy to or just took clueless to do what any capable adult should have done which is going to the state's website before making false claims and spreading lies. It took me less than 10 seconds to pull up Lagos state's budget and spending.


You really need to stop making a fool of yourself and exposing your ignorance and incapabilities,


Stop lying, lying is evil.

The thing with many ignorant people on NL is the fact that they have so much rubbish to say about Lagos state, but they know nothing about the state, they wont even do the most basic thing like going to the state's website to see what the government is doing, what they are budgeting, what they are building or constructing, what they are planning and what they are spending money on.

How do you even take these clowns seriously?

bidemi12:
I have told you time and time again that you are sparring with your intellectual god. This is a battle you cannot win. From your above rambling are you insinuating that like lagos, the budget and expenses of the state of chicago are not audited and that chicagoans dont know how their funds are been spent or more specifically see how their funds are being utilised? "sigh" i know i'm wasting my time but i will make another attempt at schooling you again. I know it is like pouring water through a basket but i will do my best since i am your god. this attached site is one of the portals for public audit and expenditures in chicago but it is always down on holidays. http://www.wh1.ioc.state.il.us/QuickTake/Exp/. . . . .M.o.r.o.n

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO>>>>>>>>.


Government site down on holidays? wao!! that's a good one. Ole 419. You are way way worse than I thought, I was wasn't expecting you to pull up a dummy 419 link to try to fool people. You are a certified and irredeemable liar.

Like I said, you are intellectually lazy and you lack intellectual curiosity. The web site for the city of Chicago is not down on any holiday, no government website gets shot down because of any holiday and to day is a working day in Chicago, not an holiday.

Again, you are compounding your lies and 419 with more lies and 419.

It took me less than 10 seconds to access the city's website and pull up the city's budget,

http://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/obm/provdrs/city_budg.html

http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/obm/supp_info/2011BudgetOrdinance.pdf


Now, this is Lagos state's budget, it took me the same 10 seconds to access the site and pull it up.

http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/index.php?page=subpage&spid=695&mnu=module&mnusub=ministry&mpid=25



Now, what's your point again? So, Chicago's budget is online and Lagos state budget is on line. Both sites clearly displayed what both cities are spending their money on. So why are you bashing Lagos for doing exactly what they are doing in Chicago? Are you making any sense at all or is it that you're just too clueless and  d.umb to differentiate your left hand from your tight hand? 


Again, you see how d.umb and silly you sound.


You are a lazy lair. Ole 419. LMAO.

eku_bear:
What evidence is there that Tinubu owns any part of LCC? Anyone here with such evidence should present it.

You go wait taya for that evidence. Instead of coming up with facts to cement their argument, they throw around these silly and ignorant claims. because.

bidemi12:
My guy, i have found out that responding to that m.o.r.on is like watching a newly laid egg hatch; waste of time. Better not waste yours. I tried educating him but to no avail.

bidemi12 the lair, instead of hiding behind other resident ignorants, please provide your Chicago spending list and budget.

When you make unproven claims and refuse to back it up with facts, you are a liar with zero credibility.

ndu_chucks:
@babapupa, I thought you were a staunch supporter of Fashola's. Why are you insinuating that his decision was not well thought out? One would have expected a more rational pronouncement from your likes.

Don't you expect the LCC investors to go to court for remedies, if there has been a breach of contract? I suspect they do not have the guts to go to court because the details of the contract will be exposed and the implication of Tinubu and others in a potential scam/scandal will not be well-timed at the moment.

I am beginning to suspect you, olodo.

You are not making any sense my friend. Please recompose and resend your thoughts.

bidemi12:
wait a minute are you five years old? you were the one who claimed governors in chicago went to jail not me. i am not a student of history. i did not bother to research your claims since your claime buttressed my point on accountability why should i? this mumu is sparring with his Intelectual God. And did i hear you right? you are waiting for someone to be proven guilty in Nigeria? proof? is that what you are harping and waiting on? that is your excuse for not facing reality? in a country where the law is impotent the m.o.r.o.n. is waiting for proof. This is worse than i thought. The institution has really damaged you beyond repair. I dont think a refund is not what you need but to sue for damages because your mendula has been fried. heed my warning and advice. Going back to bed. i expect a more coherent response when i wake up.

1. You used Chicago as some kind of barometer of good financial governance and I busted it because Chicago is one of the shadiest cities with crooked governance in America. I also pointed out that one governor went to jail and another is heading to jail.

2. You came back to prove your senseless point about good governance in Chicago by asserting that they went to jail for stealing public funds and that they were audited, but both governors did not steal any taxpayers money.

You clearly exposed your ignorance about the same Chicago you're trying to prop.

My claim did not buttress what ever silly claim you made, it's the other way around. I shattered your d.umb and ignorant claim about Chicago, most of their politicians are crooks and they have one governor in jail and another is going to jail.

When they say you are a Chicago politician, they are basically calling you a crook. Only an ignorant i.diot props up crooked people as a good example of good governance. Obviously, you don't know anything about Chicago.

And please don't bother me with the I did not bother to research, I've already stated that you are intellectually lazy and you lack intellectual curiosity, and you proved me right 2 times already. You don't research your facts, you just open up your lousy mouth and make false and reckless claims.

3. About Nigeria. Again, I don't make silly, ignorant and immature statements like you. You think it's fancy to call people thieves and looters without any evidence to back it up, what if they sue you for libel? Can you take your d.umb claim to any court of law and successfully prove that they stole money without any kind of evidence? You see how d.umb and ignorant you sound?


4. Back to Chicago, I'm still waiting, this is the 3rd time I'm asking you, please provide us the budget and spending list in Chicago. Please don't come back with your lies and silly talk without that list. You made the claim, back it up or STFU.

bidemi12:
Again i have to educate the reetard. And how did the state find out that the governor stole funds? is it not through proper accountability? we all know that the lagos state government past and present are crooks but no proper audit has still be done to date, please correct me if i am wrong. I dont know why morons like yourself refuse to face facts and realities. well, it is the Nigerian way. turn a blind eye and pray to God that "e go better one day". yeah, e go better indeed. did you take my initial advice? your refund is pending.

See how you nailed yourself? It shows you know nothing about Chicago, talk less the governors. I basically set you up and you fell like a d/ummy idiot.

You are too dishonest for your own good, you have no credibility. The governors were not sent to jail for stealing state funds, Blago is going to jail for trying to sell Obama's senate seat and Ryan wen to jail for taking bribes. They did not steal anything from the state. You are extremely ignorant per everything that comes out of your mouth. Like I said before, you are very lazy and you lack intellectual curiosity.

There are crooks everywhere, but I'm not like you, everyman is innocent till proven guilty. I don't go around rubbishing people's name without any evidence of wrong doing. You said correct you if you were wrong and I'm saying till you provide credible and incriminating evidence that these officials stole taxpayers money, you are not only wrong, you are foolish and reckless. You don't even have to show me the evidence sef, take the freeking evidence to the EFCC and stop talking rubbish on NL.

And I'm still waiting, please hurry up with the Chicago budget and itemized list of every spending.


I know you wont provide the list because people like you just talk rubbish to BS your way through arguments, you are lairs and 419 debaters, you make stupid claims thinking the people you're debating are d.umies. Obviously, I've exposed the real re.tard and d.ummy.


lol @ fool talking about refund, what an I.diot.

Pifa:
I'll ignore the banter about Grey Davis and Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's too complex an issue to hash out in the short I have left in this forum tonight (it dinner time and the kids are beginning to troupe in and I can hear the sound of "Dad, what's for dinner?".

But babapupa, who has suggested that Fashola be thrown out? The government certainly should be called to task by Lagosians for agreeing to a contract like that with the concessionaire.

You tend to take every criticism of Fashola rather personally. Why?

(and goodnight)

That really was not a banter, I basically highlighted some major flaws regarding your Grey Davies analogy and we both know what you were asserting about voting people out. Californians voted Grey Davies for some trivial DMV tax issues, but Arnold not only bankrupt the state, he screwed up the same DMV, the workers are on furloughs which is a form of pay cut, people are paying way way more DMV charges than what Grey Davies proposed. Now, why haven't you kicked out Arnold? Like they say, becareful what you wish for.


Back to the topic.

You mean the governor should be called to task for trying to better the lives of the people he took oaths to serve? Funny how the same people used to beg the state government to help solve the traffic problems and nightmare,

I careless about you criticizing Fashola, I talk about my state, not Fashola.

bidemi12:
Here we go again. i regret to say that you are using all of your faculties minus the the one that matters most. Please for God's sake this is too simple to comprehend. My question is DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IS COMING IN AS REVENUE AND HOW MUCH IS BEING SPENT? How is this difficult to understand?  if we do not know how much is coming in as revenue and exactly how much is being spent then how are we sure the funds are being used judiciously? When there is transparency we will be all too glad to pay any toll or tax levied by govt. but first lets do an audit for heavens sake. I lived in Chicago for years and anyone can tell you that it is one of the most highly taxed states in America. But we are all to glad to pay it because the finances of govt is public knowledge and we know how our funds are being managed. And if by your incoherent attempt to sound/look logical is your infantile way of schooling me on issues then I conclude that you have been defrauded by the institution you might claim to have passed through and are due a hefty refund.

Do not blame your own personal ignorance, laziness and lack of intellectual curiosity on the state or other people. Obviously you don't know anything about the state .

Instead of asking silly questions, any honest and sensible enquirers first stop should be the state's website for valuable info about what they are collecting, what they are spending and what they are spending it on.

They announce everyday how much they are collecting and how much they are spending and what they are spending it on.

I just posted a  long list of what they are spending their money on, but you ignored the answers to your silly questions because bad bele is in control of your senses.

Even Ben Akabueze, the state's Economic Planning& Budget commissioner sets up town hall meeting all over the state to explain the states financial activities. I can not tell you that Lagos state is 100% open financially, but I can tell you that they are the most transparent in Nigeria.

I need you to do me a favor, please show us your Chicago budget and precisely show us a link per what they are doing with every penny in Chicago. I'm daring you to do just that if you get liver.


Chicago is one of the most shadiest and crooked cities in America and when was he last time you audited their accounts in Chicago?

Their most powerful senator Dan Rostenkowski was sent to jail, Governor Ryan is still in jail and another governor is getting ready to go to jail so keep quiet about Chicago, you are not debating dummies.   


Lastly, you do not know anything about Lagos state, educate yourself before running mouth and talking rubbish. The only infantile dolt here is the  slow and ignorant not-so-smart person who refused to the the most basic thing about accessing readily available public records,


What a dummie,

Kilode?!:
@Babapupa, speaking for myself, I'm not against Toll fees, actually, I welcome them. It might interest you to know that I consider myself a Fashola fan also.

I understand your argument about our people's attitude toward paying public fees. Yes, a lot of them are neither used to Taxes/Tolls nor to paying for Government facilities. I will not argue with that.

It is up to Fashola to fine tune his strategy, convince the majority and ignore the minority dissenters, that is the reality of Politics and the price of leadership. I want to believe BRF is capable.

Good government initiated PPPs and responsive sensible public policies should not be mutually exclusive.

Fashola did well by suspending the toll. He should go ahead and address the alternate route issue and maybe renegotiate the fees with LCC. It will be a Win-Win situation for Fashola, LCC and the people of Lagos.

I truly appreciate your thoughtful response. The fact is, Nigerians are money saving bargain bargain people and many of us just don't like to spend money. The only reason people are yelling about the alternate route which is available anyways is because they don't want to pay, they want the state to spend more money to construct a better alternate route for them and to be able to sidestep the toll road completely.

Though with good civic intentions, I personally think the state made a mistake by going all out to fully modernize the freeway via the toll system because Nigerians are not ready for such, we are just not socially and mentally ready.

They are very shortsighted because by opening up the road, they stand to gain so much in terms of commerce, major development, huge real estate value and better communal infrastructures.


What many states and cities in the west do is targeted infrastructure bond and tax system where the taxpayers are asked to approve or reject bonds or 1 or 2 cents tax for 1, 2, 3 years to construct a specific project like a freeway, a bridge, school, park, communal gym. I really think the state should have asked every Lagosian to pay 1 kobo per every purchase, any form of registration, general payroll for only 1, 2 or 3 years to fund a specific major project, meaning at the end of the day, the infrastructure remains the property of the people of  Lagos, not some LLC. Local government should start doing the same thing to build their own good and well equipped turn key schools and other communal infrastructures.

The state shouldn't be saddled with elementary schools and maternal centers, the local governments and then citizenry really should be empowered to step up.


We all have to do our part if good and quality infrastructures is what we desire.

bidemi12:
reeetard response as usual from a nairalander. trash collection that is non existent and epileptic where it exist. state workers that are owed wages months at a time. teachers? let me not even go there. hospitals that are no better than chemists. schools where students sit on rocks to recieve classes. bridges that might collapse anytime. metro rail? yeah right. My guy did you even read my post in the first place. can you honestly say how much is coming into the state treasury and how much is being spent? you dont know do you? neither do i so i want to know. Has there ever been a credible audit? please digest and respond intelligently.

Again, your question was a silly question? It was ignorant and irrational.


I read your post. You claimed ignorance per what the state is doing with all the money it's collecting from the taxpayers. Going on and on about the quality of the state's services doesn't negate the fact that they are paying to keep the state agencies running, they are paying state teachers, civil service, vendors, funding roads and bridges, hospitals, clinics, water works and many more.


Obviously, the state can not perform beyond it's financial means, expecting such is nothing but pipe dream and grand stupidity. A lot of people want quality everything, good roads and the best under the sun, but have no clue per the state's budgetary limitations. Do you personally spend what you don't have? See how silly many of you sound?

It's perfectly ok to demand accountability, but questioning what the state is doing with taxpayers money of asserting that they are not doing anything with the state's money means you are very ignorant per the state's activities, you've obviously never been to the governor's website, the state's websites and you are generally not following the state's activities,


Have you asked yourself what entity is constructing the best and most modern bridge in Nigeria, West Africa or even in Africa gan sef?

Have you asked yourself who is constructing the best freeway system in Africa, with rail, BRT access?

Who do you think is paying hundreds of thousands of state workers?

Who is funding the hospitals, clinics, water works, parks and recreation, the new ultra modern markets, the new schools?

Do you really think think the state is paying for all everything with stones and sand?



Check out the following links and tell me who is paying for everything,


http://happylagosian..com/2010/12/lekki-ikoyi-bridge-ready-by-2011.html


http://happylagosian..com/2010/12/lagos-state-digitial-village.html

http://happylagosian..com/2010/12/muri-okunola-park.html

http://happylagosian..com/2010/12/launching-of-apc-vehicles-for-rrs-lagos.html


http://happylagosian..com/2010/12/ikorodu-maternal-child-health-centre.html

http://happylagosian..com/2010/09/freedom-park-opens-this-october.html


http://happylagosian..com/2010/08/fashola-hands-over-largest-purpose.html


http://happylagosian..com/2010/06/fashola-commissions-103-new-classrooms.html


http://happylagosian..com/2010/05/fashola-commissions-20-bed-accidents.html


http://happylagosian..com/2010/05/fashola-commisisons-okota-itire.html


http://happylagosian..com/2010/04/oluwole-urban-marke-lagos-island.html


http://happylagosian..com/2010/03/lagos-state-fire-dept-gets-new-gear.html

http://happylagosian..com/2010/02/fashola-hands-over-additional-10.html


http://happylagosian..com/2010/02/lagos-city-hall-is-back.html


http://happylagosian..com/2010/01/lagos-mass-transit-rail-project-set-to.html

http://happylagosian..com/2009/12/lagos-gets-new-bell-412-ep-helicopters.html





I fit go on and on and on, just thank me for educating you,

alj harem1:
c'mon babapupa, that is not needed i do not think the question he asked deserve an insult

That was not an insult because I did not call him names/silly, I basically characterized his comments and I didn't call him silly. 


On the other hand, you must have missed the re/tar/ded part in his/her post. That was an insult.

bidemi12:
I have no problem with paying tolls but first please explain to me how the taxes lagosians have been paying are being spent. Biggest problem with nigeria. no accountability.

very silly question, why not start by asking yourself who is paying the trash collectors, the street cleaners, the state workers, teachers, who is funding hospital construction, schools, clinics, roads, bridges, metro rail and many many more, please use your head, and the money the state is collecting from you is peanuts against the states over all responsibilities and 18 million people demand,

lol @ keep demanding what you are not willing to pay for, very funny,

Now its the alternative route is not good enough, I wonder how much many of these folks would like to pay or be taxed for a new alternative route.  Its really not about alternative route, people just dont want to pay for anything, they want to have it both ways,