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Lilimax:
Let's stop the widespread hatred for pastors Biko! Lest, God's wrath descends on us.

God is the same yesterday, today and Forever Heb 13:8

Remember the experience of korah, Dathan and Abiram in the Bible?

The earth is still hungry.

You were making so much sense until you got to this point. You all are so used to fear mongering and fear tactics to make people submit to your wants.

You're unable to convince people factually to do things except you introduce some form of threats. And that's why we call you out. Fear tactics is a well known form of deceit and taking advantage of vulnerable people.

You're not different from the rest of the bunch either. So suck it up. We will continue to call you deceivers out. Including the very successful ones you made this post to defend.

kingxsamz:
Was once like her too, scared of asking questions, scared of questioning the beliefs I grew up to know, even though I knew some things seemed fishy...
Until I got pulled out of the hole of ignorance.
Hopefully she'll come back to her senses, all of them, one by one.
Because this same belief is one of the major problems in this country...

I agree.

kingxsamz:
I gave up on that lady a long time ago...

Nairaland Christians are on a different level of stupidity.

No one deserves to be this ignorant in this time and age.

But I was once in their shoes and I'm an ex-Christian today because someone didn't give up.

We simply cannot afford this level of stupidity to keep on thriving. It affects us all in the long run.

peggywebbs:
Now let me correct you. The world as at when the bible was written was not illiterate. They had scribes, they had literate people who had learnt languages and written books. There were philosophers, teachers, lawyers etc.

I am about to beat you up mercilessly because a large part of your post are strawmans where you're either making an assumption about me or putting words in my mouth.

When I say the Bible was written in the dark ages, I did not mean that we did not have literate people in the world at the time.

What I am saying is that the Bible was written by ignorant people. And I can demonstrate by the contents of the Bible itself that it was written by unapologetically ignorant people.

I am saying that the Bible was written at a time where the most of the world was largely ignorant. That is why it was called the dark ages. The fact that we had scribes during the dark ages didn't mean that the whole world didn't think thunder was as a result of God speaking. Having philosophers and scientists also didn't stop from people thinking that the Earth was flat or the sun revolved round the earth.

Your desperation to defend the Bible has sadly led you to misinterpret my statement at all cost. Including at the cost of your own honesty.

peggywebbs:
They understood how the cosmos worked. If you take time to watch discovery channel, you will see how they studied the seasons, the days, months.

Sure they did!! That's why they knew about black holes and quarks and quantum physics and artificial intelligence in the year 2000 BC! It's a pity we're now just discovering these things when one fanatical Christian alleges that ancient humans knew about these things because she watched it on Discovery Channel.

Do you see how stupid you sound? Hopefully you will.

peggywebbs:
They knew everything and trust me, our technology today is built on the knowledge that was gathered from the past.

Of course they did! How didn't I think of this?! That is why Jesus flew to Heaven without using a jetpack. And scientists studied his flight to help them develop the aeroplane, spaceship, helicopters and other aircraft.

That is why Jesus was able to speak to 5000 people without using a microphone. And that part of the Bible helped us develop sound systems that we now use today. That's good logical thinking from you!

That is why God has a mere paper book of life when we have apps like Microsoft Excel and Google forms that can do a better job at keeping records!

it is a pity the whole world is making research when all we could have done is take a look at ancient records because they knew everything in the dark ages.

That's some really good thinking from you there. Kudos.

peggywebbs:
So no, they were not goat herders.

No they were not. I apologize for saying that.

Let me guess they were astronauts and front-end and full stack developers. They were engineers and biologists and that's why they thought an iron axe could float on water by immersing a wooden one.

And that Adam and Eve could give rise to 8 billion people today. Good intelligent biologists they are! Very intelligent from you!

peggywebbs:
Well, it wasn't all in all a dictatorship. They had laws, they had rights, they had an organized system. Just as we have today. But no government likes a revolution. It's seen as weakness.

God you are hopeless.

Who said there are no laws or rights in a dictatorship? Who said having an organised system means there is no dictatorship?

Saudi Arabia has men rights, does that make it less of a dictatorship?

So is Saudi Arabia a disorganized system because it is a dictatorship?

North Korea is a dictatorship. It has rights too for certain people.

You seem to be a very ignorant person who has been damaged by religion indoctrination so much that they cannot think inside of the box. Talk less of outside.

Your religious apologism is costing you the ability to think and debate logically and the earlier you realise it the better.

peggywebbs:
Don't justify nothing. No leader is willing to welcome any views. It's again seen as weakness. They did not care that Jesus did not come with weapons and they did not even care that he wasn't concerned about politics. He was talking about God and heaven.

At the time when Jesus existed, it was a theocracy. So if one was just talking about "god and heaven" one was directly or indirectly talking about politics. As religion was a major factor in political issues at the time.

I would expect you to know this but it is pretty evident of how much you have suspended your ability to think critically in a bid to defend your religious stupidity.

peggywebbs:
So, you say that it was right for King Herod to order the killings of all the little babies born because of the fear that a King was to be born? Or you forget, the reason he was hated was because of the prophecies of his coming? Hmm.

When did I remotely suggest that killing of babies was justified? If you cannot provide this then I have no obligation whatsoever to respond to any of your post going forward.

As you have exhibited the very exact qualities of a dishonest christian debater.

peggywebbs:
Well he did. The question is what type of King. Jesus spoke about the kingdom of heaven. He spoke about world after this. He performed signs, wonders and you still did not believe. What else did you want him to show you. A certificate of ordination as a King?

Speaking does not mean evidence. If speaking meant evidence, then anyone can claim to be what they want.

And the mere fact that they are saying would be an evidence that they are what they claim to be. See why your reasoning is stupid? Yes, I am kind enough to tell you that you are reasoning like a foolish person.

Magicians were pretty common at the time and Jesus performing signs and wonders would not automatically transformed to him being the king he claimed.

Even according to the Bible itself, several prophets existed before Jesus and even during the time of Jesus there could have been mystics, sooth sayers and all that stuff.

Also, there is no evidence that Jesus performed the miracles he did so again you are right where you started. Being in a really stupid position.

peggywebbs:
It wasn't. He did not carry any weapons. He did not call for protests. He did not cause mutiny and he never challenged the government. He told the people to obey the law.

Jesus you're stupid.

Impersonation does not include any of the nonsense you just mentioned. Impersonation is claiming to be something that you cannot provide evidence that you are actually are that thing.

it does not involve you calling for protests or carrying any weapons. If I claim to be the president of Nigeria and I go about telling people I am without being able to provide evidence for it.

It is a crime.

I don't necessarily have to carry weapons or do any of those things you mentioned. I would expect you to know that but again, as a person whose ability to think has been damaged by religious apologism, I understand.

peggywebbs:
No, I'm not making any claim. I'm just saying my own.

Sure and your utterances have effectively painted you to be a really stupid, ignorant person. Who knows nothing about history or how we would go about proving things. You sound pretty ignorant even about your own religion itself.

You're just saying "your own."

peggywebbs:
Well, God isn't going to do anything to anyone. We have been given free will. You are the one who says why did God not get rid of Satan. Well there are many Satan's. Those who don't repent and continue to do evil things definitely carry a Satan spirit, so like you wished, they will be cast away.

Sure. god's spokesman. Tell me why I should take whatever you think God wants to do or doesn't want to do, seriously.

peggywebbs:
[s]Jesus came to tell mankind that there was more to life than w e know. He came to let us know the merciful and kind nature of God. He preached love and righteousness, repentance and judgement. [/s]

Nonsensical religious platitude.

peggywebbs:
God did not kill his son. And we are also his children. Man killed his son, just as we still kill good people in our day. So many great people gone, why? Sacrifice.

Yes but god had a hand in it. God specifically asked who was going to die for human sins to please him.

God specifically demanded blood and it even made it more pleasing to him because it was that of his son. Because they all knew anyone whoever volunteered was going to die anyway.

So it wasn't really man's fault. It is God's fault for not being able to settle things amicably without demanding for blood. Again, you serve a very bloodthirsty, psychopathic, tyrant who luckily doesn't exist. Except in your head, but as a result of indoctrination and brainwashing.

peggywebbs:
[s]Yes he volunteered, and that is the grace that we enjoy today. When we sin, we get to confess our sins and try to be good. [/s]

Nonsensical religious platitude.

peggywebbs:
[s] Now if only you understood the symbolism of his death. He fulfilled his purpose.[/s]

Typical delusional religious nonsense..

peggywebbs:
Now, you read too much science fiction. Jesus has always been powerful.

No, you are the one who has been reading too much mythology so much, that it has damaged your reasoning faculty up to a point where actual thinking is a huge problem.

Jesus specifically said in the Buybull after he resurrected that "ALL the power in heaven and earth has been given to me." So it suggests that he had some form of power prior to coming to earth but not as great as the one he now possessed.

Christ on a bike! you can't even process the things in your own book properly.

peggywebbs:
When he became spirit, he obviously took on his mantle. Question is do you have superpowers now? I dare you to make a mug move with your eyes. Well you can't because you are human. Now when Jesus came to earth, he was just like you and I.

And I pretty much agree that if the Jesus figure ever existed, he was a mere human (probably someone who was mentally disturbed telling people that he was the son of God) because there are no evidence of his miracles or any other supernatural activities that he did.

In fact there are no evidence of any supernatural activities occuring till date. All we can find are magical tricks that require no supernatural intervention and ignorant people like you defending con-men who claim to be doing "miracles" in streets, churches etc

peggywebbs:
[s] Yeah. I'm sure you think you will be by mega thanos. Well you are human, who says you won't have powers in your spirit form.[s]

Nonsensical platitude.

peggywebbs:
That's what you think. He did a lot and is still doing a lot more. You will see at the right time.

Of course! asking for the right time or more time is a well-known tactic of con artists, fraudsters and liars.

2000+ years of religion and all you religious idiots have is "you will see at the right time."

peggywebbs:
Think again and see if you have really convinced yourself. No, I don't think you agree with yourself.

Yes so tell me why I should take the ignorant dishonest assumption of a religious idiot like you seriously. I wonder what other things you've assumed about me? That I am a satanist? I eat babies for dinner?

Or that I am intelligent than you? At least that one will be true.

peggywebbs:
There's something I always say. God is not a genie.

Exactly! god cannot perform magic. In fact God cannot do anything. What a powerless god you serve.

peggywebbs:
You don't expect him to snap his fingers everytime someone commits murder, rapes a child, burns people alive, hacks people, steal etc.

If I was God and I have the power to stop evil I would every single time. And that is why I'm better than your god.

I'm sure you cannot see why a LOVING entity would want to protect his people at all times because your brain has been damaged so much by superstitious büllshitery.

But to actual smart people who still have their brain intact, an all loving omnipotent omniscient god would do that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Like you.

peggywebbs:
Now, if you were God ,how would you like to be the cleaning lady. We have to do the work, we have to be good, we have obey authority or else there will be anarchy.

If I was God I would be happy to be the cleaning lady. Because I was the one who created the whole mess to begin with. I would not create humans with the weakness of sin and then turn around to blame them for doing what I created them to do in the first place.

Your God is an evil monster and you, while defending his incompetence, may very well be yourself.

peggywebbs:
So what you say can't be achievable. The slate can't be wiped clean. We have to make a choice to be good and that's the test we face here on earth.

It can.

An ideal god who created an ideal universe would be able to solve the problem of Evil. A God who cannot/would not and instead pushes the responsibility on mere humans is a sorry excuse for a god. And one that I am personally glad cannot be demonstrated to exist. Even by damaged religious fanatics like you.

All you lots to do is give us more reason to doubt. Because you all sound like idiots while defending this incompetent evil god of yours.

peggywebbs:
God exists.

Yes. In your head. As a sad result of childhood indoctrination and wholesale religious brainwashing.

peggywebbs:
The fact that you don't agree with his ways doesn't mean his a monster.

Sure the fact that I don't agree with his evil ways doesn't mean he is an evil monster. It means that you are an idiot who cannot see the shortcomings of the god they claim to be loving and perfect.

peggywebbs:
You can't know better than your creator my dear.

I'm not your dear.

So...yet another assumption from a religious idiot who thinks they can protect their own insecurities and other people who don't believe like them.

You would have to prove there is a creator before you can assert that people cannot know better than their creator. Until you can do that I will be very happy calling you a religious idiot who believes in things that cannot be objectively proved. And makes real-life deductions from such delusional nonsense.

peggywebbs:
The bible is a compilation of of an age long history, that traces our genealogy.

This comment again shows you have a very limited understanding of the bible or even Christianity as a whole.

The genealogy of the Bible has been proven to be false. Because

1. There are contradictions about the genealogies in the Bible itself.

2. No evidence exists that what the Bible says is historically true.

peggywebbs:
Whether you like the contents in it or not, does not change the fact that those things happened.

Great!

And whether you like to say stupid things does not mean that those stupid things are true either.

It only means one thing: That you are stupid and like to say stupid things.

peggywebbs:
It is who we are and where we come from. It is our origin. It is a book that brutally lays it out as it is.

It is certainly not my origin. The Bible does not contain any origin of anyone at all, except of course, that of ignorant religious idiots like you.
The Bible is merely a book written by moral thugs who thought slavery is moral, misogyny is moral and infanticide is moral. If you cannot see this, then you are a moral thug yourself.

peggywebbs:
The good, the bad and the ugly part of us. You can't change history but you can change your story.

Another motivational + nonsensical woofuckery from a religious idiot.

peggywebbs:
You can choose love and righteousness, a kind heart and eternity through Jesus Christ"

"Except you hate your wife and children you cannot follow me" -Jesus

Is this the person you claims to be the definition of love and righteousness?

I always say that religion is mental illness.

frosbel2:
Christians and critical thinking ? I am sure you are joking..

Ah well my bad

kingxsamz:
You're making a mistake oh...
One of her fellow believer claimed hellfire doesn't exit.
Confused lots

Cc firstnebo

I guess we have to ask each Christian what their own idea of God/Heaven/Hell is before we begin arguing with them.

Same Bible but different interpretations. Different level of delusions. They can't even agree amongst themselves what is what; which delusion they accept in the Bible. And they expect atheists to take them seriously.

Confused lots.

peggywebbs:
Well, if you really were intelligent you will understand what the bible means about God sacrificing his own son.

Well if you really were intelligent you will understand the Bible was written by goat herders in the dark ages where we, for instance, had no idea where the sun went at night.

peggywebbs:
Let's just use Nigeria as a case study. When someone comes out to challenge the government, see what happens.

Yes, in a system where nothing works and totalitarianism and dictatorship is the norm questions are frowned upon.

In a saner clime, however, that is not the case. Doubt is never criminalized, questions and opposing views are actually welcomed so far it is done within the limits of civility.

peggywebbs:
Jesus came to the earth to tell the world he is the King and that there is a father in heaven that is supreme. What do you expect people to do to him.

I expect people to treat him like a deranged fraudster that he actually was. That's if he ever existed anyway.

if you claim to be a king you are supposed to be able to provide evidence to back up your claims that you're making. In the absence of that -exactly what your Jesus did- it is called impersonating.

And it is a very serious crime.

peggywebbs:
God knew that the world was wicked and would not accept such news. Jesus said I would go ahead and let them know the truth so many can be saved.

Sure. if demanding evidence for a claim you make is "wickedness" then wickedness is actually a good thing. You Christians have a very perverted view of morality.

Saved from what? From what God would do to them if they didn't receive him: Cast them into hell.

A loving god would sacrifice his own son as a collateral damage and serve as escape from what? His own wrath. god died to save mankind from what he, god, would do to his own creation. Does that make sense?





By the way; if Jesus volunteered, it doesn't sound like a bad deal either.

Jesus didn't die, did he, he only had a weekend vacation in the grave fighting the same Satan.

After which he had a greater power than a previously did.

If I have been existing for eternity and someone asked me to take 33 years off, just to be a human and die for 2 days, after which I would have greater power. I would happily take it.

So Jesus didn't do anything particularly special. Save me that rhetoric.

peggywebbs:
Now that's called sacrifice.

No it's not. It's called taking the weekend off and coming back more powerfully and getting the better for it. Jesus didn't do anything spectacular.

peggywebbs:
They both knew that Jesus would be killed by the evil people on the earth when he declared his message but the good news had to be spread. Now, that shows how much God loves us. He, knew the price Jesus would pay for saving us but he still hoped that we would change.

If god loved us, he would not have to kill anyone. No bloodshed. No demands. No "obey me or burn forever." He would live up to his own word and forgive his enemy. He would not throw anyone into hell.

Your god, if he exists, is a hideous, evil monster who cannot live by example. Tells people to pray for their enemies but can't forgive his own enemy.


Maybe god could actually prove his love and overall existence by setting things right with Satan first. And we atheists might hesitate to call him a sorry excuse for a loving god. And take you Christian apologetics more seriously when you preach "god is love." Until then...

peggywebbs:
Now, when you read your bible, try and think of what happens today in the world. It's exactly the same thing. You just choose to interpret it differently.

You do not get to tell me what or how to do anything. Certainly not how to read that incredibly perverted slave manual called the Bible. A book that endorses misogyny, homophobia, slavery and wholesale genocidal cleansing is the last thing I need advice on how to interpret it.

Fail.

Try harder on your religious apologetics.

^The gods of the gaps delusion is strong in this one.

kingxsamz:
Exactly.
Show's over once the villian is no more.

Ikr one thing is sure: The days of Abrahamic religions are numbered.


In the minds of the truly intelligent.

The problem is that religion impacts the ability to think critically.

Eternity is a really long time. I wonder what some Christians are thinking when they say they will sing "Hallelujah" forever.

Like how is it supposed to be paradise if you been singing "Hallelujah" for 700 million years straight?

A lot of them can't even handle 5-hour services in their churches without getting bored and tired. Some even dozing off in Sunday school lmao and they think they can endure eternity in excess of like 898,000,000,000 years in "god's presence."

I always say that religion is mental illness.

What kind of a God creates his own enemy?

And then kills his own son to appease himself for the atrocities of his enemy?

Think. I'm talking to the intelligent person. Think about this? Why doesn't god just kill Satan and end it all? Why all this jamboree?

If someone offends you, do you kill your child to please yourself or make peace? Think. It is the same reason why Tom cannot kill Jerry. Why Batman cannot kill Joker.

If he does the story is over. Religion is a cop out. Think.

You don't need Religion to be a good person. We can see how even the most respected religious figures are almost always involved in one atrocity or the other.

If anything, religion makes people good people do bad things. More people have killed died in the name of God than for any other cause. This is why the eradication of religion is necessary.

Progressive minds are leaving religion behind. It will only get better.

frank317:
Mental patient spotted

Sometimes I laugh at how much time that dude spends on his long posts only to sound like an idiot in the end.

I just wish it's copy and paste because I can't imagine someone putting all that effort into being so stupid.

I don't even read the long posts anymore. Immediately I see "Mishigas" I swipe my fingers with some significant effort.

frosbel2:
People, I keep telling you that fake religion turns intelligent people into zombies.

There's no such thing as a "true" religion. All religions are fake.

The asteroid will miss earth by roughly 16 times the distance of the moon to earth. And one "logical" Christian apologist thinks scientists predict it could "hit" earth.

Once gullible always gullible.

Why? "Idolatry" is a religion just like Christianity or Islam. The last time I checked there's freedom of religion in Nigeria.


What I don't subscribe to is shedding of blood. Otherwise this is a dumb move. The middle Eastern religion must not replace our own cultural religion. This must be resisted.

Firstnebo:
In trying to prove a point about your assertion that God is not omniscient, you brought up an analogy about him not being omnipresent.

Yes. So where in the statement did I mention that the Bible said is omnipresent?

Firstnebo:
By bringing up omnipresent to explain why he is not omniscient, you are indirectly claiming the Bible also said God is omnipresent.

No. That's **YOU** putting words in my mouth.

Firstnebo:
You and I both know that something is not everywhere at the same time, does not mean that it doesn't exists. For example, that your bed is inside your room at a particular time, and not in every room of every house in Nigeria does not mean that your bed doesn't exist.

Yes..my bed exists.. because there is EVIDENCE to show that it exists. I can see, touch, quantitatively and qualitatively analyse the materials my bed is made up of.

I can unassailably claim that my bed exists and provide mountains of evidence to back it up.

Your god..on the other hand.. has no such evidence. Or who knows if you have one. Can you present it? If yes, you're doing what 3 billion + people have been unable to do.

Firstnebo:
Besides it's glaring that you have a handicapping lack of knowledge of what the Bible actually says.

Oh it's straight to the ad hominems You're making a rod for your own back here

Firstnebo:
For ever alleging that the Bible said that God is omnipresent

Please show me where I said the Bible said god is omnipresent. If you cannot then you're debating dishonestly.

Firstnebo:
is low mark on your knowledge to actually blanket it as a mythological book.

No, if anything. It exposes your own personal credulity and lack of common sense if you're unable to classify a book that talks about talking donkeys and talking snakes as mythology.

A book that was written across different periods in time by different authors, with different contradicting accounts of the same event, lacks contemporary sources to back up its authenticity can as well be classified as mythology. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

Firstnebo:
You first have to see what it states before you show your utter lack of ignorance

Yes..I have seen what the Bible states. Things like

1. Slavery
2. A global flood
3. Talking donkeys
4. Talking snakes
5. Misogyny
6. Wholesale genocide
7. Infanticide
8. Homophobia
Etc

Firstnebo:
Let us take it one by one. (1) That Adam and Eve sinned and we their children are now suffering is not out of God's control. For what is worth, God is not suffering, but we the children of the disobedient two. God has set up a way through Jesus Christ to end our suffering permanently. It's called God's government ."Our father in heaven, let your kingdom (government) come"

You have not proved that Adam and Eve existed. So you do not get to use an unproven personality as a reliable template to present your assertions.

Besides does it sound reasonable, for a "loving" god who punishes his own creation for being disobedient -while knowing they would disobey him before creating them anyway- to now sacrifice his own son to himself to appease himself?

Why not spare us all the misery and kill Satan right away? In fact what kind of God creates his own enemy?

Firstnebo:
(2) The Bible tells us that God has the ability to know everything, not that he actually chooses to know everything. For example, when the report reached him in heaven that Sodom and Gomorrah have sinned to the maximum degree, he said "let me go down to verify these reports". Which means he chooses not to exercise that power prior to that.

Thank you adding that the "Bible tells us..."

Now tell me why anyone with a decent education should treat the Bible better than a mythological book...

Firstnebo:
(3) You talked about omnipresent. The Bible does not say that God is omnipresent. Which means everywhere at the same time. No, the Bible said that God is in heaven. Jesus said "you must pray then this way, our father in heaven". God cannot be everywhere, which would mean he is also at the thousands of brothels around the world where people are committing different kinds of sins.

Ok so according to YOUR own interpretation of the Bible. God is not omnipresent. I would agree with that. As god seems to not not be anywhere at all. It is even more reasonable to say he doesn't exist at all.

Firstnebo:
(4) Omniscient means that God can do anything he wants to do. The keys words is at "he wants to do". God cannot be doing everything just because he can do it. That would mean he has no control over his abilities

When I said you have a limited understanding of the words: omniscience and omnipotence, the bolded proves I was right.

If you're going to "challenge" Atheists you're going to need something more intelligent than the Bible. Try a dictionary.

PrinceMajestic:
a severe brain disease. What pains me is how their gullible followers are ready to fight and hate on you over their religions. Its the worse thing happening to mankind

Agreed. Religion is mental illness.

They can keep fooling themselves by praying and selling anointing oil to the gullible to guard against a virulent virus while the sensible world continues to protect themselves through actual scientific means while looking for a cure and better treatment.

Religion is the worst possible thing to happen to mankind.

Firstnebo:
Thank you very much my dear. That there is a first cause doesn't mean that my God Yahweh is the first cause. It could have been any of these gods you listed.

But yet my Yahweh produce a sacred book which shows that he is this First Cause. A kind of book that these other gods cannot provide.

And some of them that has tried, are either copying my Yahweh, or documenting outdated superstitious beliefs of their ancient adherents.

Good. So we now, for the purpose of this discussion, accept that there was a first cause.

1. What is your evidence that the Bible was influenced by this first cause?

2. Are you aware that there is evidence for religious books that existed before the Bible was written?

Firstnebo:
Do you mean that all knowing = all causing?

That God has the ability to know everything, does it mean that he must cause everything?

Aren't you the same person arguing for god being the first cause?

If god is the FIRST cause, does it not follow that everything else came from him?

Logically, if god is indeed the first cause, everything came from him.

If there are certain things outside his control then he's not the first cause. As there's some other thing dictating what happens. You're the one limiting your God's properties and power. Not my problem.

Firstnebo:
Does the fact that God has the ability to know everything mean that he uses that ability everything single minute?

If god chooses to not know everything for even a split second. Then god is not ALL-knowing. How difficult is that? Let me try again.

If god chooses to not appear somewhere at any point in time. Then god is not OMNI-present.

The concept of "OMNI" means "ALL" the time.


It seems you lot just throw words around without understanding the actual meaning of them. Hmmm sounds familiar... Let me guess...indoctrination?

Firstnebo:
If a person knows how to sing very well, do you expect him to sing every minute of his life? Would he not be considered mad? So that God has the ability to know everything, are you saying he doesn't has the ability to restrict how he uses and applies it?

That's another flawed analogy. That clearly shows you have a limited understanding of omniscience.

Someone knowing how to sing does not translate to omniscience.

Omniscience would be, for example, knowing what would happen EVERY time you sang. And/Or knowing the exact times you would sing and what the environment would be like, the number of people present, each time you were singing..

Is this your best?

2/10. Try harder.

[quote author=Firstnebo post=87172865][/quote]So let's assume there was a first cause.

So what? Does that mean Yahweh did it? As far as I'm concerned it could have been
1. Olodumare
2. Allah
3. Odin
4. Thor
5. Spiderman
6. The flying spaghetti monster
7. Sango
8. Santa Clause
9. Buddha
10. Shiva
11. Vishnu
12. Zeus
13. Kratos
14. Ogun
15. Amadioha
16. Satan
I could go on to 4000 really...

You would still have to show how there being a first cause automatically means your god is real or that he did it?

Good luck with demonstrating that.

Firstnebo:
A car manufacturer knows there is a possibility the car may break down and there is a possibility the car will last the test of time, yet he makes it because it needed to be made.

God created us with freewill, not as robots. So there's a chance we will abuse the free will and act against him. But because he is almighty, he has a way to put us back on the right path.(for example, he sent Jesus to pay the price for the sin of Adam.) Just like the vehicle manufacturer has spare parts for any broken part

Wrong analogy. A car manufacturer is not all-knowing.

An all-knowing entity, on the other hand, KNOWS what you will do. Including if YOU will disobey him.

He KNOWS EVERYTHING you will do right from you when you were born. He knew I will become an Atheist.

A free-willed creation and an all-knowing god cannot coexist.

If your god is all-knowing, free will does not exist. As we're all just acting out what he pre-knew.

If free will exists, then your god is not omniscient.

Choose one.

Please tell them. Because a lot of ignorant religious folk still believe prayers can render them immune to a highly contagious virus even when their headquarters like the US and Saudi Arabia have beefed up their security and hygiene to contain the virus.

This is when reality separates science from fiction. Anyone who prays at his time instead of listening to actual science deserve the Darwin (the weaker/more stupid ones die off) award.

This is reality. Not mythology. Times like these separate boys from men.

MJBOLT:

a fool says there is god but cannot prove it

Rightly so.

solite3:
Atheist result to insult when they run out of point.
You are in pains because of what you say doesnt exist?
The fact that you always talk about God is a proof that he exist.

Only a fool says there is no God.

Only a fool says there is a god

MFMRevivalist:
Thanks so much for contributing sir, God bless you.

I don't need gods blessings. Let him bless the 100 million+ children who will go to bed without having eaten anything today.

mayor02:
You guys don't read Bible and you condemn everything. Did the bible not as in the book of psalm that 'Make a joyful noise unto the Lord...'
Did God not ask the Israelites to blow trumpet and shout for the wall of Jericho to fall down. So you mean God is deaf then,
There is a misery is sound, noise, shout, music and laughter. Noise is a sign of warfare, Shout and laughter is a sign of victory. Music is a sign for the atmosphere of God. stop criticising what you don't know and ask questions.

Why should I or anyone for that matter treat the Bible and it's claims better than a mythological book?