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SOUTH SOUTH: Why I Left Islam

Of course, we have hundreds of converts from Christianity to Islam too. So, this is no big deal, okay? Inter-religious conversions aren't new and they won't stop happening.

[quote author=sayit_out1]I appreciate all you just wrote.

But islam encourages that anyone who talks negative about their prophet should be killed. Y?[/quote]Did you read that yourself from an Islamic source or you got it from gainsay. Evidence pls?

Ruth Isaac: OP
nice writeup, keep it up. But 2 b sincere n honest, a muslim girl friend of mine has once told me, dat as a muslim, if u try n Kill even jst one non-muslim, u will enter d Kingdom of Allah, dat is (Paradise awaits u whn u die) n i asked her if she can also kill me, since am not a muslim, but she laugh n said, No because we re friends she cant do dat. Now tell me, is there TWO diff type Islam n we dnt kw? So me as a person, has dis bliv dat a, Muslim can kill a non muslim any day, any time. So jst as u hv d bliv dat Islam is peaceful, dat is d same way other Muslims bliv, in killing 4 Allah.

I'm sorry, but your "muslim girl friend" is IGNORANT. Not all "Muslims" truly understand Islam. Not even some "emirs" and "Mallams" or "alfas".

tyadams: As a christian, ur write-up changes my mentality expecially about those "old" quotes of the holy quaran. Nice one!

Thank you so much. I'm glad people like you read the post.

size38: Guy, leave dis yan. We don dey hear dis kind tin for ages now. If i may ask u, why are muslims labeling those who are non muslims "infidels"?

Check your dictionary for the meaning of the word "infidel". Oh let me spare you the stress. The word infidel simply means "someone that does not acknowledge your God". So, it's allowed that we call Christians and other non-Muslims infidels. Similarly, Christians can call Muslims and other non-Christians infidels, just like you refer to us as "unbelievers". You got that?

Aizek B: Nw tel me y is it dat no muslim is aloud 2 hold d quran unles d malam. D reason is if they alow u guys 2 hold d quran u wil no d truth n wil nt folow their acts so they are d only ones that read n interprete it 4 u.

Just one of the most blatant lies I've heard in recent times. Even the wildest haters have never told a lie like this. Certain Muslims not allowed to touch the Quran? Are you for real, or you just felt like typing anything?

passionate88: bt if u ask 4 d same koran to read them go kill u say no infidel is allowed to touch it.. I dnt believe this dude, like stagger said.. He should talk to his people.

Of course I've quoted parts of the Quran in the piece and that suffices. As for not believing me, it's just your choice.

Ndeewonu: @OP
Pls, What is "JIHAD?"

Jihad simply means "struggle" (literally). Practically, it means helping or striving in any noble cause that is pleasurable to Allah. He who donates money to charity has done Jihad. He who helps speak against an evil has done Jihad. And he who helps defend the truth has done jihad.

cinammon: In Surah 73:10 God tells Mohammad to be patient with his opponents, "Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously". While in Surah 2:191 God orders him to kill his opponents, "kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out." In Surah 2:256 God tells Mohammad not to impose Islam by force, "There is no compulsion in religion", Then again in verse 193 He tells his messenger to kill whoever rejects Islam, "Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's". In Surah 29:45 God tells Mohammad to speak nicely to people of the Book (Christians and Jews), "Argue with people of the book, other than evil doers, only by means of what are better! and say, we believe in what has been sent down to us and sent down to you. Our God is the same as your God, and we are surrendered to Him." But in Surah 9:29 Allah tells him to fight the people of the Book, "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute by hand, being inferior".




I CANT WAIT FOR YOU TO PROVE DIS CONTRADICTION WRONG.....URS SINCERELY

There are NO contradictions in the Quran. Either some verses were later revealed to abrogate others or that the underlying causes behind their revelations were different or the situations where they are applicable are different. There are hundreds of "contradictions" in the bible too. I hope you know. But I know your pastors too will have "explanations" for that. So, stay away from what you don't know, okay?

R2bees: the person that post dis should go to hell, i dnt care, so far una quaran tell you guys to fight against people dat doesnt believe in una quaran, u pple are muderers....

While writing the post, I knew I'll get comments like this from people like you. So, I'm not surprised. Now you're pretending not to have read the post. Just another reader who won't just keep bias off his mind.

plappville: [size=14pt](John 16:1-4) 1“All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.[/size]

Please show us the words 'Muslims' or 'Islam' in the verses you quoted.

treasuredkid: why cant you people give them out to the authorities. this group of deranged minds live amongst your muslim communities and perpetrate their hideous, barbaric and satanic act right in front of you all but yet they are being protected. Fish them out of their smoky grasshoppers holes and see if the Christians will still refer to your religion as "blood sucking". We are tired of mere words, we want real action from the real muslims...thats if we still have some

It's just quite unfortunate that we don't know them. They've just remained faceless, just as they've been to the government.

omiobo: If you are a true muslim,go to north and enlighten them on how islam should be practiced. It's a waste of time and efforts to address christians and other religions on what islam is made of. We want to believe this piece of yours but the peace of islam must be felt from the followers around the world.
In christianity,our doctrines maybe different but we are members of this same body that stand against all unrighteousness. We are peace maker and we are known for that. So let islam be known for peace through the beliefs of the followers.

I've just explained our ideal belief. Did you read the piece to the end?

sylve11: Nice write up, but pls take this message to other Islamic forums also. . .this ur points are valid, but I want to know if the Muslims in other parts of the world are different from the Nigerian Muslims. Why are they terrorising in all other parts of the world? Are u practising the religion more than those in the middle east who are serial killers?

Like I said, anyone who kills unjustly in the name of Islam, is either ignorant, misindoctrinated, or fighting for personal gains.

Ujujoan: Still you have to admit that your religion is doing absolutely NOTHING to stop these people killing in their name. Silence they say means consent!

And have you been in this country since? What are we the masses able to do when even the government is unable to curb the situation?

eduson77: there is an adage that says,
if one finger gets stained by oil,it spreads to others..

you need a revolution in your teaching and mindset.

shikinah

That's a fallacy you just committed.

ndala: Hope u are saying dis from ya mind because i no trust muslim u guys are like green snake in a green grass

Suspicion is a virus that brings no progress. You're not under duress to believe me.

dahonestboss: Are the muslims in the middle east different fromt the muslims in Nigeria ? let us assume boko haram is a Nigerian thing, what about the killings of none muslim in other part of the world ?

The piece has answered your question. Those who kill unjustly in the name of Islam and saying that is part of the religion, are not Muslims - even though they claim to be.

Kslib: [color=olive]@op,i understand your point clearly and commend you,but you cannot change the fact that boko-haram is an islamic sect.. The problem is that many/a higher percenatage of muslims do not think the way you do..
Now listen,every religion has people who have spent so much time studying the religion to understand it.. Now these people are qualified to teach/break-down the religion to their fellows who also believe in that same religion.. Now,If a high percentage of those same religious scholars agree that the said religion approves the killing fo people from other religions,why shouldn't the ordinary man agree?
If a religious leader who is suppose to lead by example comes out openly to violently attack the other religion,who is the ordinary muslim not to agree that killing them is the answer?
@basic,do you know that if you come into a group of islamic scholars and say "Islam does not support killings,you will be percieved as a weakling by the said scholars.. I know some of them will agree,but a majority of them will oppose you and refer you to the holy book...
Not all muslims are bad,but the problem is that most of them have been taught to bahave hositle towards the opposite religion right from kids,and worst of it,the holy koran is used as proof.. You need to see the way even those little muslim kids behave towards xtians.. I grew up in the north for good 18 years,so i know what am talking about....
Lastly,the Nigerian muslims look up to the middle eastern muslims for inspiration religious wise.. So how do you expect them not to behave like their religious mentors who know in and out of the religion.. They claim to understand their religion,but always 'copy' 'copy' what the middle east does.. I bet you,if those middle eastern muslims calm down and embrace peace,these i..diotic boko-haram will also do the same.. Like father like son.. Take it or leave it,boko-haram operates on islamic principles just like the middle east... They even want to islamize a whole Nigeria...can you imagine..

Thanks. I got understand you. But I insist, that whoever claims that unjust killing is part of Islam - be he an "imam" - is a transgressor, a radical, and an ignoramus!

omiobo: If you are a true muslim,go to north and enlighten them on how islam should be practiced. It's a waste of time and efforts to address christians and other religions on what islam is made of. We want to believe this piece of yours but the peace of islam must be felt from the followers around the world.
In christianity,our doctrines maybe different but we are members of this same body that stand against all unrighteousness. We are peace maker and we are known for that. So let islam be known for peace through the beliefs of the followers.

Of course, all I wrote was to explain the true belief of the followers. Did you read the whole of the piece?

afam4eva: I've lived with muslims most of my life and there hasn't been anything i've had a course to suspect them as they've always been no different from the Christian and everyone that i've lived. It's sad that a small group of people who unfortunately are muslims have soiled the name of the religion all over the world in the name of fighting for their religion. But many muslim clerics have come out to quote that no where in the Qoran did it state that muslims should go out and kill innocent people. Those people who kill in the name of Allah are just criminals and nothing more. Anybody who takes what they say as word should also be ready to believe the devil. Why can't we as human beings be rational for once in our lives and stop putting everybody in one basket. We can't paint Islam bad simply because of the sins of a few. Let's be reasonable and not judge people by the color of their skin, their creed, religion, ethnicity but by the strength of their character.

You made sense. Thanks.

In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. May peace be upon whosoever follows guidance.

I advise every reader of this piece – Christians especially – to read with a plain mind that is free of any prejudice or stereotypes. This missive is addressed mainly at Christians and adherents of other religions in this country as well as any Muslim who may help spread word of it.

It is quite saddening that Boko Haram has done, in the name of Islam, so much evil that the average non-Muslim now has a very ugly perception of the religion and its adherents.

Though the Nigerian media has sometimes gone overboard in their reports (for instance, news spread months ago that a Boko Haram instigated bomb blast occurred in Bauchi, only for the Police to state later that the heard explosion was that of a faulty transformer and not a bomb), this piece does not seek to defend the acts of Boko Haram (in fact, it strongly disapproves of their acts). So, please don't start forming opinions yet.

Read this piece to the end, as it hoped that it would help extinguish the fire of inter-religious animosity raging in our society today – by means of these clarifications:

Clarification #1

You Christians have known we Muslims for years, and you have lived with us for years as well. I’m sure the Muslims you first knew or grew up with never told you that Islam permits unjust killings – not even of non-Muslims. They won't, because they never believed such. If that were part of their belief, they would certainly have attempted killing you. So, their peaceful co-existence with you shows that they had nothing of such as their belief.

But suddenly came a strange group of "Muslims" who kill in the name of Islam. Yet, you conclude that these "vampires" are following the dictates of Islam. Which Islam? A new version of Islam?

So, it is either Boko Haram members are practising a strange Islam or are not practising Islam at all. But the truth remains that our religion has never and will never undergo any kind of metamorphosis. And whatever is not part of it from the outset will never be regarded as being part of it today!

Since unjust, unlawful killings were never part of Islam, they will never be part of Islam, and any individual or group that practices such – even in the name of Islam – will ‘never’ be regarded as Muslims or as fighting for Islam.


Clarification #2

I do see Christians quote Quranic verses inciting Muslims to fight the non-believers. And I have these to say:

Just as you hold that many verses in the Bible have underlying meanings that are beyond the literal implications, we Muslims also hold the same in regards to the Quran. The Quran contains many verses whose meanings are subject to interpretations other than the literal.

So, I advise every truth-seeking non-Muslim to refrain from quoting Quranic verses without deep understanding of the circumstances behind their revelation.

As for the wars fought by the early Muslims, various circumstances led to these, and going into a detailed discussion will be digressive and will make this piece lengthier.

However, know that the wars propagated by the Muslims of old had many strong reasons behind them. And looking at history, no civilisation or revolution came to be without some struggle.

Now the truth: in Nigeria of today, there are NO justifications whatsoever for any Muslim – individual or group – to kill non-Muslims unjustly. In fact, from what I've learned about this religion, NONE – yes, NONE – of the conditions that permit Muslims to fight (such as if they are facing aggression from non-Muslims, and if they are in an Islamic state) is present in the Nigeria of today. Therefore, anyone fighting in the name of Islam is either doing that out of misindoctrination, crass ignorance, or for ulterior reasons.

Once again, Nigeria is not an Islamic state, and no Muslim – except for the misindoctrinated, ignorant, or hypocritical – is permitted to fight in the name of religion.

Clarification #3

Any Muslim individual or group that claims to be fighting for Islam by way of unjust, unwarranted killings is not following the dictates of ‘the’ Islam - and that is even if such were Muslims in the first place.

In a Quranic verse, which, interestingly, those Christians who have never stopped dissecting the Quran never quote, Allah says:

"Allah never forbids you from dealing justly and kindly with those who do not fight you based on your religion and who do not drive you out of your homes. Verily Allah loves those who deal with others with equity" – Quran 60 verse 8.

This verse drives home the fact that Muslims living amidst non-Muslims (in a non-Islamic state) should never fight them except in self-defence.

In another verse, Allah describes the sanctity life in these words:

"Because of that, we ordained for the Children of Israel that anyone who spreads mischief in the land by killing another person unjustly, and not out of retaliation, it would be as if he had killed all of mankind. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind" – Quran 5 verse 32.

So, Islam honours life and is totally against taking it unjustly.

Clarification #4

It would be illogical for any Muslim, after having observed some wrongdoing by a Christian or group of Christians, to conclude that Christianity preaches that wrong act or that all Christians approve of it.

Similarly, it contradicts logic for any Christian, after having observed some wrongdoing by some individuals or groups who claim to be Muslims, to conclude that Islam preaches that wrong act or that all Muslims approve of it.

Get it clear: We Muslims – who really understand the true message of Islam – are totally against the terrorist acts of these bloodsucking "Muslim" groups. In fact, we doubt their being Muslims in the first place. And if they were, either they lost touch of the pristine Islam by getting themselves misindoctrinated, or they are not sincere in their cause (i.e. they have ulterior motives).


Clarification #5

While it is natural for the adherents of any religion to feel enraged when the supreme deity, as held by that religion, is insulted, it is irrational for the adherents to go beyond bounds in their quest for justice – especially when this will involve greater evils like shedding the blood of the innocent.

However, Christians should stop spewing insults at Allah, His Messenger, and at Muslims as a whole. In the Qur'an, Allah has clearly forbidden Muslims from insulting non-Muslims and their religion (Quran 6 verse 108). So, Muslims too should refrain from doing this.

Also, it is far from ideal that a Muslim, in "retaliation" of blasphemy, goes wild, killing innocent lives and destroying property.


Final note

We Muslims are disheartened by the activities of these radicals, and on behalf of every Muslim in this country with a sound, unadulterated Islamic ideology, I state that we are proud of our religion, and we totally and openly disapprove of the acts of BH and their sponsors.

We pray that Allah vindicates His religion by exposing, humiliating, and destroying any individual or group perpetrating evil in the name of Islam.

We also pray that Allah restores peace and security in this country, and make it a haven of tranquility for all – Muslims, Christians, Pagans, and Atheists.

Finally, I advise every person who wishes to study Islam sincerely to look only into authentic sources and try to avoid the press, ignorant and biased non-Muslims, and other sources of baseless gainsay.

Spread word of this piece. Feel free to share with others through any available media. Hopefully, it will help reduce the inter-religious animosity that is thickening in Nigeria today.

In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. May peace be upon whosoever follows guidance.

I advise every reader of this piece – Christians especially – to read with a plain mind that is free of any prejudice or stereotypes. This missive is addressed mainly at Christians and adherents of other religions in this country as well as any Muslim who may help spread word of it.

It is quite saddening that Boko Haram has done, in the name of Islam, so much evil that the average non-Muslim now has a very ugly perception of the religion and its adherents.

Though the Nigerian media has sometimes gone overboard in their reports (for instance, news spread months ago that a Boko Haram instigated bomb blast occurred in Bauchi, only for the Police to state later that the heard explosion was that of a faulty transformer and not a bomb), this piece does not seek to defend the acts of Boko Haram (in fact, it strongly disapproves of their acts). So, please don't start forming opinions yet.

Read this piece to the end, as it hoped that it would help extinguish the fire of inter-religious animosity raging in our society today – by means of these clarifications:

Clarification #1

You Christians have known we Muslims for years, and you have lived with us for years as well. I’m sure the Muslims you first knew or grew up with never told you that Islam permits unjust killings – not even of non-Muslims. They won't, because they never believed such. If that were part of their belief, they would certainly have attempted killing you. So, their peaceful co-existence with you shows that they had nothing of such as their belief.

But suddenly came a strange group of "Muslims" who kill in the name of Islam. Yet, you conclude that these "vampires" are following the dictates of Islam. Which Islam? A new version of Islam?

So, it is either Boko Haram members are practising a strange Islam or are not practising Islam at all. But the truth remains that our religion has never and will never undergo any kind of metamorphosis. And whatever is not part of it from the outset will never be regarded as being part of it today!

Since unjust, unlawful killings were never part of Islam, they will never be part of Islam, and any individual or group that practices such – even in the name of Islam – will ‘never’ be regarded as Muslims or as fighting for Islam.


Clarification #2

I do see Christians quote Quranic verses inciting Muslims to fight the non-believers. And I have these to say:

Just as you hold that many verses in the Bible have underlying meanings that are beyond the literal implications, we Muslims also hold the same in regards to the Quran. The Quran contains many verses whose meanings are subject to interpretations other than the literal.

So, I advise every truth-seeking non-Muslim to refrain from quoting Quranic verses without deep understanding of the circumstances behind their revelation.

As for the wars fought by the early Muslims, various circumstances led to these, and going into a detailed discussion will be digressive and will make this piece lengthier.

However, know that the wars propagated by the Muslims of old had many strong reasons behind them. And looking at history, no civilisation or revolution came to be without some struggle.

Now the truth: in Nigeria of today, there are NO justifications whatsoever for any Muslim – individual or group – to kill non-Muslims unjustly. In fact, from what I've learned about this religion, NONE – yes, NONE – of the conditions that permit Muslims to fight (such as if they are facing aggression from non-Muslims, and if they are in an Islamic state) is present in the Nigeria of today. Therefore, anyone fighting in the name of Islam is either doing that out of misindoctrination, crass ignorance, or for ulterior reasons.

Once again, Nigeria is not an Islamic state, and no Muslim – except for the misindoctrinated, ignorant, or hypocritical – is permitted to fight in the name of religion.

Clarification #3

Any Muslim individual or group that claims to be fighting for Islam by way of unjust, unwarranted killings is not following the dictates of ‘the’ Islam - and that is even if such were Muslims in the first place.

In a Quranic verse, which, interestingly, those Christians who have never stopped dissecting the Quran never quote, Allah says:

"Allah never forbids you from dealing justly and kindly with those who do not fight you based on your religion and who do not drive you out of your homes. Verily Allah loves those who deal with others with equity" – Quran 60 verse 8.

This verse drives home the fact that Muslims living amidst non-Muslims (in a non-Islamic state) should never fight them except in self-defence.

In another verse, Allah describes the sanctity life in these words:

"Because of that, we ordained for the Children of Israel that anyone who spreads mischief in the land by killing another person unjustly, and not out of retaliation, it would be as if he had killed all of mankind. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind" – Quran 5 verse 32.

So, Islam honours life and is totally against taking it unjustly.

Clarification #4

It would be illogical for any Muslim, after having observed some wrongdoing by a Christian or group of Christians, to conclude that Christianity preaches that wrong act or that all Christians approve of it.

Similarly, it contradicts logic for any Christian, after having observed some wrongdoing by some individuals or groups who claim to be Muslims, to conclude that Islam preaches that wrong act or that all Muslims approve of it.

Get it clear: We Muslims – who really understand the true message of Islam – are totally against the terrorist acts of these bloodsucking "Muslim" groups. In fact, we doubt their being Muslims in the first place. And if they were, either they lost touch of the pristine Islam by getting themselves misindoctrinated, or they are not sincere in their cause (i.e. they have ulterior motives).


Clarification #5

While it is natural for the adherents of any religion to feel enraged when the supreme deity, as held by that religion, is insulted, it is irrational for the adherents to go beyond bounds in their quest for justice – especially when this will involve greater evils like shedding the blood of the innocent.

However, Christians should stop spewing insults at Allah, His Messenger, and at Muslims as a whole. In the Qur'an, Allah has clearly forbidden Muslims from insulting non-Muslims and their religion (Quran 6 verse 108). So, Muslims too should refrain from doing this.

Also, it is far from ideal that a Muslim, in "retaliation" of blasphemy, goes wild, killing innocent lives and destroying property.


Final note

We Muslims are disheartened by the activities of these radicals, and on behalf of every Muslim in this country with a sound, unadulterated Islamic ideology, I state that we are proud of our religion, and we totally and openly disapprove of the acts of BH and their sponsors.

We pray that Allah vindicates His religion by exposing, humiliating, and destroying any individual or group perpetrating evil in the name of Islam.

We also pray that Allah restores peace and security in this country, and make it a haven of tranquility for all – Muslims, Christians, Pagans, and Atheists.

Finally, I advise every person who wishes to study Islam sincerely to look only into authentic sources and try to avoid the press, ignorant and biased non-Muslims, and other sources of baseless gainsay.

Spread word of this piece. Feel free to share with others through any available media. Hopefully, it will help reduce the inter-religious animosity that is thickening in Nigeria today.

Kslib: Mr old man !!! No let me use slap vanquish your grey hair oh..

Lol. Old man when I'm less than 30? I only called you two "kids" because that's what you are, intellectually!

See this silly kids! Kslib and blink182, will you two keep shut now? Or else I'll give you 6 strokes of the cane each.

eledalo: How daft. Once every 4 years? What of the Ondo state elections that are taking place in a few weeks? Or Edo state? Or the various re-runs of House of Assembly? INEC is responsible for a few other minor tasks? Election is now a minor task. You really are Basic. Think of how politicians will misuse this opportunity to influence the actions of INEC officials! Who the heck do you think is involved in all the Election tribunals across the country - NEPA? I agree that Nigeria's civil service is overbloated, but man, this is the duuumbest argument I've seen to reduce it - Kudos on achieving that.

Brainless humanoid! So, is it normal for elections to hold haphazardly in a country? If not for corruption, why should elections not be uniform?
If all elections are uniform, would INEC not have the cause to rest for 4 years?
Answer these questions:
Are the elections in those states to be conducted by INEC at the national level or the ECs of the affected states?
After each the elections in Edo and the coming one in Ondo, won't the SECs still lie idle for 4 years?

And BTW, what happened to the NPC part of my argument. Were your eyes blind to that? Or was your brain too weak to interpret that?

F.o.o.ls like you are always eager to antagonize arguments. Yet you won't just read well between lines before transmitting the stupidity in your brains, through your fingers, to your keyboard.

And the peak of your stupidity lies in your stark ignorance of what "basic" means.

Goodluck to the blackberry fans. As for me, my Nokia C3 still rocks!