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[quote author=aloy*emeka link=topic=383007.msg5334279#msg5334279 date=1263744333]Where is JosBoy?. He is the defender of these talibans. I said it before that Northern riots happen every 6 months in Nigeria; After this one today, the next one will be around june somewhere in Northern Nigeria.[/quote]That calculation is wrong. This is already the second one this month. Something concrete needs to be done to stem the unending rounds of religous violence in the country. |
ElRazur:What exactly was worth debating in that post you made aside from the mention of Liberia? Nothing. You are happily stating that you aren't even sure of the name of a country you have given as supporting evidence for your argument. . . Damn! That only means aren't even sure of your argument. You don't know what you are talking about, yet you say so with pride. ![]() Thankfully, there are moves by Nigeria to help Haiti, its just that we are way too slow. |
ElRazur:The help given to Liberia is something Liberians are ever thankful for. It is the best we could have done in the siuation and thank God we did it. Today, Liberia is a growing country once again, they have even produced Africa's first female head of state. The beast, Charles Taylor is longer fanning the embers of war across West Africa, but is rightly facing a trial for war crimes after being handed over by guess who? Oh yes! Liberia was a job well done and that selfless display of humanity will forever be a pride to Nigeria! Doff your hat to the proud soldiers and leaders that brought it about. |
We need to totally restructure Nigeria before creating more states. Most of the Northern states deserve to be merged. State creation is really a weapon by the cabals to keep the country down and squabbling for crumbs. It perpetuates the strong centre concept and the ugly situation in which each governor rushes off to Abuja for monthly stipends. The state creation thing keeps us all squabbling for crumbs instead of developing. |
ElRazur:Thanks for keeping it short. ![]() There is more about Nigeria being responsible than us being some mythical giant. Giving help to your neighbour does not require that you have zero problems. A great part of belonging to society is being humane and without society, civilisation cannot exist; maybe this is the real problem with Nigeria? We need to help those in dire need or we risk losing the meaning of what it is to be human. |
ElRazur:Both batteries and nuclear plants can produce electricity, they will differ only in the quantity. Fluffy feeling? No, its about being humane and well adjusted. |
Are you in Jos? If so, please give us a lowdown, there's no detailed news anywhere. |
Doesn't Flishgeek just love his long-winded essays? ![]() |
SeanT21:He is not being sarcastic. That dude is NL's no. 1 Mutallab lover and US hater. He is 100% serious about those statements. |
ElRazur:Every country has internal problems even the US. The US has its own issue's with food security and poverty; http://hungerreport.org/2009/chapters/us-poverty/62-current-reform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States There is simply no excuse, my friend. |
Go for assembler if you want to hit Nirvana. ![]() However, there is a lot of dedication required to master assembler. So if you are the laid back type choose in this scale (the higher, up the better). [list] [li]C[/li] [li]C++[/li] [li]C# / Java / Ruby / Classic VB[/li] [li]PHP / ASP / Perl[/li] [/list] |
ElRazur:. . .And what a sight it is to see that lethal combination of boxers knocking themselves out. ![]() ElRazur:Long posts, like long sentences and essays in response to simple questions usually signify either lack of skill or understanding. Its called "rambling". You have failed woefully with your suggestion of sending the Red Cross to the Niger Delta instead of Haiti. You have failed in retorting that the Red Cross does not have experience (although, they can presumably get this in the Niger Delta from your viewpoint); so why should I provide you more examples just so you can come back with more harebrained "reasons"? Not offering even token help to Haiti is inhumane in my books. |
@ElRazur Why the long essays? Have I hit you in the right spot? ![]() My friend, instead of asking me to suggest ways Nigeria can help, but I have already done that (if only you would look). Several countries can only offer token help, but a drop of water makes the mighty ocean. We cannot match what Senegal has done, but we can surely do as much as Kenya and they have deeper problems than us. |
otawa:This topic has [b]nothing [/b]to do with Mutallab and Nigeria is already unstable (even to the blind). |
^ What has that got to do with Haiti? I fail to see the connection. |
ElRazur:Nitpicking? Stop being funny, you are just about not offering help to Haiti for reasons best known to you. You even mentioned sending the Red Cross to the Niger Delta as an excuse, as if there is a humanitarian catastrophe of even distantly comparable proportion there. Lets not forget that your reason for not offering help has wandered first from [size=14pt]politicising [/size]to the current so called "inexperience" of our peace keeping resources. What experience I ask? Apparently, in your books, war zones aren't akin to disaster area's. Perhaps you might want to tell us the real reason why you are against helping Haitians, is it that you just don't care? |
Onwan:[size=14pt]Yes o! It wasn't natural, they got one oyibo babalawo to make it. Ode! This is why education is good. Boko Haram![/size] ![]() |
ElRazur:Thankfully, people with such arguments are the tiniest of tiny minorities (nobody else has picked up on this so called "political" angle). If our Red Cross doesn't have experience (redundant argument considering our expansive involvement in peace keeping), the better thing to do would be to kill two birds with one stone and help the Haitians while giving our people disaster experience. Your arguments are just that we should do nothing for no reason. That is obnoxious. |
The US is running the country because they are the only country in the World with the resources to immediately replace Haiti's organisational infrastructure. Do you want the Haitians to die a slow toturous death? Soldiers can be mobilised at very short notice, so they are the best placed to be sent in. Yes the US has sent in tonnes of equipment, soldiers and an aircraft carrier. What the US and the rest of the World are doing in Haiti is commendable, to be encouraged and applauded. |
ElRazur:Even by the end of this year and the next, we wouldn't have solved our problems. Why should sending members of our Red cross and a token military presense be such a big deal? Afterall, nations like Kenya haven't done much more than that. As they say, it is the gesture that counts. Senegal can make a big gesture because they are far ahead of us at the moment, but there is no excuse for us not making even a token gesture. I can bet you that some countries out there helping Haiti are either at war or have some sort of civil strife. |
I applaud him for staring the cabal right back in the eye. There is word that he was warned not to perform the ceremony or be assasinated by snipers overlooking Eagle Square http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5512632-146/jonathan_honours_the_military_in_fear.csp |
[size=14pt]Jonathan honours the military in fear[/size] By Elor Nkereuwem January 16, 2010 02:43AM At the Eagle Square grounds, in Abuja, on Friday, January 15, 2010, during a parade to mark the Armed Forces Remembrance day, Goodluck Jonathan, Nigeria's vice-president, gingerly performed one of the major duties of honouring the country's military, albeit reluctantly and with much trepidation. Visibly nervous and casting furtive glances about him, Mr. Jonathan performed the wreath-laying ceremony. Mr. Jonathan's appearance at the event was a little different. In addition to his apparent discomfiture, his chest looked fuller than usual; perhaps betraying the fact that he was heavily padded up in a bullet-proof vest. In the past week, rumours have been rife that the vacuum created by the absence of the president is causing some restlessness in the army barracks. In the orchestrated climate of fear built around Mr. Jonathan, security officials had reportedly claimed that, should he try to perform the Friday military duty, snipers hanging on the roof of government buildings around the Eagles Square were ready to assassinate him. Then, with insinuations of a possible plot for a military takeover in the face of the president's illness which has resulted in a laxity in governance, it is not entirely inconceivable that Mr. Jonathan would be concerned about his safety, as it apparently had hindered him from assuming the full expression of presidential responsibilities. Mr. Jonathan, who in the past few weeks of the president's absence has been reluctant to take on some presidential duties, has recently come under tremendous pressure from a cocktail of actors - politicians, legislators, and the media - to step up his game and make a move to assume full authority of the presidency. What has bothered many is the reluctance of Mr. Jonathan to assert himself in all fullness. "It is time for Vice President Goodluck Jonathan to rise to this occasion of Nigeria's international derision and demonstrate bold leadership on behalf of our dear country. At this time of crisis, the Vice President cannot be tentative" said a former minister who wanted to be anonymous but who said he was worried that Mr. Jonathan's endless droll to full assertion could convey hints of inadequacy. While many hinge the vice-president's reluctance to step into his boss' shoes on his respect for the 1999 Nigerian Constitution, which does not permit him to serve as the acting president unless formally asked to do so; others characterise his actions as timidity and docility. Constitutional lawyer and academic, Chinua Asuzu, believes that "the refusal, omission or neglect of the VP to assume full responsibility in the current circumstances evinces cowardice and a low sense of responsibility on the part of the VP. Our current constitutional ‘crisis' is more a matter of Jonathan's personal failure than one of constitutional lacuna." The pressure on Jonathan For at least seven weeks since the Nigerian president travelled out of the country, citing a medical emergency, without formally ceding power to his deputy, Mr. Jonathan has found himself in a dire situation of some sort. Without a letter, formally handing over the presidential powers to him; and with a Federal Executive Council (FEC), reluctant to take the necessary steps which would empower him to carry out the duties of the president pending his recovery and return to duty, the vice-president may not be finding it easy to define what his current job prescription is. It became evident that the vice president was not fully empowered to function in the capacity of an acting president when he refused to sign the 2009 Supplementary Budget late in December, 2009. To solve this problem, the FEC claimed that the budget had been taken to the ailing president who purportedly signed the documents on his sick bed. Soon after that, the vice president also declined to swear in the new Chief Justice (CJ) of Nigeria on December 31, 2009 leading to the controversial oath administration by the outgoing Chief Justice on the incoming one. A cabal, hiding the true state of the president's health, keeping him from formally handing over power to his deputy, and profiting hugely from that game-plan, is to be blamed for the current confusion in the high places of governance, sources, speaking confidentially to NEXT say. This close-circuited group is made up of the First Lady Turai Yar'Adua; the president's Chief Security Officer, Mohammed Tilde; his ADC Mustapha Onoedieva, the Chief Economic Adviser, Taminu Yakubu; the Agriculture Minister, Sayyadi Abba Ruma and federal legislator representing Katsina, Shehu Inuwa Iman. This group, in popular perception now, has surreptitiously usurped the power of the president and tactically denied others, even members of the president's cabinet, access to him. This way, the group which is increasingly expanding its presence in Abuja, has been able to rule by proxy, in essence aborting the prospects of a constitutional succession. Close sources to the now growing, if even quiet, opposition to the emergence of Mr. Jonathan, claim that there is a perception out there that he will restore the likes of Nuhu Ribadu, the former anti-corruption chief, to positions of influence. That possibility in itself, seen as a move to scuttle the plans of the nest of corrupt elites that had formed a ring around Mr. Yar Adua, is seen as one of the hurdles to his smooth succession. While the confusion persists, it has been business as usual for the Yar'Adua acolytes who made a career early in the administration spurning and spiting Mr. Jonathan. When Mr. Jonathan spoke to the president recently, even before he ended the call, it was the likes of Mr. Yakubu who went to town orchestrating the claim and defining the terms of the dialogue he presumably did not participated in. There is also the frustration of the Yar'Adua men who cannot get Mr. Jonathan's endorsement for a $300 million Chinese oil deal they have brokered and for which they are yet to deliver their own part of the bargain to the Chinese in terms of oil blocks. "It is all about them not about the nation" said a legislator in Abuja close to Mr. Jonathan last week. The BOT hang-up Last Thursday, the meeting of the PDP's board of trustees had its own sampling of this cabal's grip when the gathering exploded in occasional acrimony. Bello Mohammed, the party's deputy chairperson, had tried to mobilise northern members to boycott the meeting. When that failed, Katsina governor Ibrahim Shema flew into town and, as a member put it, "positively persuaded" some members to ensure that Mr. Yar Adua's matter was not discussed. "At some point in the meeting, the issue was degenerating into an ethnic issue," said our source who claimed that the day was saved by Adamu Waziri, a former minister, who forced the Yar'Adua matter on the agenda, prompting three hours of debate. Former President Olusegun Obasanjo reportedly told the gathering that as someone who has been both president, and deputy during a military regime in the country, he knows that Mr. Jonathan cannot be said to be in charge as the limitations of his powers are all too obvious. Mr. Obasanjo then urged the party leaders to be aware that the current instability in the country places everyone and the system at risk. A proposal to send a BoT team to Saudi Arabia was subsequently shelved, waiting for the report of the House of Representatives team expected to visit Jeddah soon. A military intervention Yet many commentators believe that the leadership vacuum created by the absence of Mr. Yar'Adua has elicited a myriad problems threatening to worsen the country's already fragile polity. The view is that of all the fallouts that may emanate from this, none looks as frightening as the possibility of a military coup. A few days to the Armed Forces Remembrance Day, January 15, 2010, Mr. Jonathan received two security visitors. The director of the country's National Security Agency (NSA), Gen. Seriki Mouktar; and the Director of the State Security Service (SSS), Afakriya Gadzama. Mr. Jonathan's visitors shared reports of restiveness in the army with the vice-president and also warned him of the dangers lurking in the entrails of January 15. The security reports were not unconnected with the rumours of a possible military take-over now making rounds in many quarters. The rumours have however been discounted by the army. A former United States ambassador to Nigeria John Campbell also brought the matter to the front burner a month ago in the article titled "Nigeria's Leadership Vacuum". In the face of vacuum created by Mr. Yar'Adua's absence from duty and the political interplay that it has provoked, Mr. Campbell postulated that the military will possibly intervene and might adopt a nominal civilian head to win credence for their action. According to Mr. Campbell, the military might seek justification for its action by claiming it will prepare for election and tackle what he termed extremism in the Niger Delta. Despite the outcry and criticism that trailed the former ambassador's article, information reaching NEXT suggests that Mr. Campbell's postulations may not be far-fetched after all. Last week, however, in a telephone interview with NEXT, Chris Olukolade, a brigadier-general and the head of the Directorate of Army Public Relations said that contrary to rumours and reports that some officers in the Nigeria Army might be spoiling to take over power based on the present political outlook concerning Mr. Yar‘Adua's indefinite absence, the army has no intention of returning to power. "The chief of army staff has given a clear answer to that by stating that we are not interested in seizing power and our interest is to perform our constitutional duties and remain loyal to the political authorities," he said. While the rumour of a military takeover is being met with rebuttal, Nigerian history suggests that the current happenings in the political arena is playing out a similar pattern which gave birth to coups d'état in time past. When Joshua Dogonyaro, then a brigadier of the Nigerian army, made a nationwide broadcast on August 27, 1985 that he and his colleagues succeeded in a coup to topple the Buhari/Idiagbon government, Mr. Dogonyaro justified the coup by blaming the ruling class. "This [the coup] is because a few people have arrogated to themselves the right to make the decisions for the larger part of the ruling body." His reason seems not far-fetched from what our present leaders are currently exhibiting in Abuja. http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5512632-146/jonathan_honours_the_military_in_fear.csp |
slap1:Haiti is in no position to turn down offers. The whole country has been wiped out. The minimum any human can do is offer help. |
^ Don't say things that don't sound smart. The person who published that writeup is called Godday A. Odidi. Why don't you try to reach him for a debate instead of making funny statements without proof? |
ElRazur:But this isn't politics, it is about humanity. Our lack of humanity is also the reason why we are failing internally. |
I await Aondoakaa's head with glee. Let's wait for the lucky guy to settle in and see how things go. Aondoakaa + Northern cabal + Ibori = Jail. |
ElRazur:Perhaps if we didn't have avoidable "bullsh.it internal problems", Nigeria would naturally be the giant of Africa. Instead, tiny Senegal is showing us up on the international scene; what they have done is the sign of true leadership and love for fellow blacks; at a time Nigeria, with a 5th of the black population, has no leader, due to tribalism and hatred for one another (talkless of loving the wider black diaspora). This is a time of shame. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=382804.msg5331683#msg5331683 date=1263689820]hehehehe, you dey fear make AFRICOM no come circumcise MEND and other terrrorists dressed up as freedom fighters ko? Welcome back from hibernation.[/quote]The whole of the ND (including the Igbo's) needs to come up with a policies in relation to the US, as well as regional progress. There is no better time than now. If Nigeria wants to squander itself with ugly tribal politics, then let the ND (and surrounding areas of interest) who have always borne the brunt of inhumane actions try to get the best they can out of US policies (which lean in our direction anyway). Rather than scale back, we need to dramatically escalate and intensify cooperation in the ND. Cooperation is already exemplary, but needs to be strongly focused toward set goals and landmarks for both the region and surrounding areas. |
[size=14pt]Senegal offers land to Haitians[/size] *Abdoulaye Wade said Haitians could "return to their origin" Senegal's president says he will offer free land and "repatriation" to people affected by the earthquake in Haiti. President Abdoulaye Wade said Haitians were sons and daughters of Africa since Haiti was founded by slaves, including some thought to be from Senegal. "The president is offering voluntary repatriation to any Haitian that wants to return to their origin," said Mr Wade's spokesman, Mamadou Bemba Ndiaye. Tuesday's earthquake killed tens of thousands and left many more homeless. Buildings have been reduced to rubble, the distribution of aid is slow, and people have been flooding out of the devastated capital, Port-au-Prince. "Senegal is ready to offer them parcels of land - even an entire region. It all depends on how many Haitians come," Mr Bemba Ndiaye said. "If it's just a few individuals, then we will likely offer them housing or small pieces of land. If they come en masse we are ready to give them a region." The spokesman emphasised that if a region was given, it would be in a fertile part of the country rather than in its parched deserts, the Associated Press news agency reported. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8463921.stm |
I need to be blunt about this message that is bothering my mind. If the crisis in the presidency is not solved soon or takes any dangerous or uncertain turn, the US will likely react militarily. In 2008 the US revealed that they have a contingency plan should Nigeria become unstable; Among scenarios examined during the game were the possibility of direct American military intervention involving some 20,000 U.S. troops in order to "secure the oil," and the question of how to handle possible splits between factions within the Nigerian government. The game ended without military intervention because one of the rival factions executed a successful coup and formed a new government that sought stability.http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14783 Some people have made arguments that the US is war weary. What an error! In a current poll by FOXNews, over 70% of Americans supported US boots in Yemen http://en.rian.ru/world/20100104/157460179.html (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/01/03/decide-engage-yemen-offensive/). It is easy to see that the same argument can be made for Nigeria, especially when the costs of such an action will be repaid almost immediately. The stated aim of the US is to secure the oil, but we are providing them with have a massive pile that they can pick and choose from; there are the human rights abuses in the Niger Delta (which can be extended to include the treatment of Dr. Goodluck Jonathan), there is the real fear that the country will implode and destabilise West and Central Africa. Others have argued about US military capabilities, especially as derived from the goings on in Iraq and Afghanistan. But they forget the most important thing, the relevant sections of those countries populations are united; whereas, in Nigeria, the Niger Delta has been alienated by the brutal tactics of the nations own military. It is likely morale in the Niger Delta might not be disposed toward fighting of boots that have come to secure trade and are not bombing or razing down their communities. If we do not right our sickening political slide, we will pay a very heavy price for not loving one another. With the amount of tension in the polity, elections might not even be possible in 2011. It is not impossible that a coup might also be sponsored by foreign powers with the goal of reaping up the political balance in Nigeria. The dangerous, edge of sit politics Nigeria is playing will lead to sorrow. |
sjeezy8:Your family is a shiot. ![]() |
^ There is. Both countries had missing presidents at the same point in time, where the Guinean leader has delegated powers and allowed the opposition into govt, ours is clutching tight while the country drifts toward anarchy. |
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You don't know what you are talking about, yet you say so with pride. 