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Its really sad what private university have become , especially the ones that mix religion with education , my brother attends redeemers univeristy and the story is the same , poor facilities (the student lack access to computers and good sport facilities,) poor infrastructures,(frequent light and water shortages) internet is hardly available ,  lac of professionalism in dealing with the students , ( religious morals and schools rules are one and the same) yet the school charges exorbitant  fees , yeah its easy to say didnt you see that before u got in , but really many people have very little choices , its very difficult getting into the good public  univeristy in Nigeria , infact it is easier getting an US visa than to get an admission to , unilag,IFE , or UI to mention a few , even the state univeristies bug u down with their preference for their own indigence , so we were left with no choice than to send him to the monastery  ,

on a bright note they is a new school in Nigeria , it is a pan african school setup by the world bank to breed the next generation of african scientist , its called african univeristy of science and technology AUST , its located in abuja , and it is by far the best school in Nigeria at the moment , it has the best facilities ( all the students are given laptops, there are 4 standard labraries , all the lecture all have projectors , there are 3 computer labs with a total of 60 computers all stocked with the very best tools for education , , and the students would be thought by the best lecturers from around the world here is a list of the teaching staff ,

Gateway for Faculty and Staff

AUST has a permanent faculty and an extensive network of visiting faculty from abroad.  In 2008, the following Professors (not exhaustive) will be visiting AUST-Abuja and offer courses in their specialties:

Prof. Wole Sobeyejo (Princeton University, USA)
Prof. Kunle Olukotun (Stanford University, USA)
Prof. Abba Gumel (University of Manitoba, Canada)
Prof. Babatunde Ogunnaike (University of Delaware, USA)
Prof. Doug Buttrey (University of Delaware, USA)
Prof. Luke Achenie (Virginia Tech. University, USA)
Prof. Charles Chidume (International Center for Theoretical Physics, Italy)
Prof. Mamadou Traore (Universite Blaise Pascal, France)
Prof. Lionel Thibault (Universite de Montpellier II, France)
Prof. Kwadwo Osseo-Asare (Pennsylvania State University, USA)
Prof. Mike Adewumi (Pennsylvania State University, USA)
Prof. Daopu Numbere (University of Missouri, USA)
Prof. Tannie Liverpool (Bristol University, USA)
Prof. Attahiru Alfa ( University of Manitoba,Canada)
Prof. Francois Tsobnang ( ISMANS, France)
Prof. Said Kouachi (Universite de Khenchela,Algeria)
Prof. Jean Lubuma ( University of Pretoria,RSA)

the students also get to be thought in the most condusive environments , the best accomodations and awesome recreational facilities which include , swimming pool,basket ball court,tennis court,volleball court,and a gym ,  
for now admission is only for masters students and its free , yeah free as air , because all the students are on scholarship , which include feeding,accomodation,health insurance,laundary service , and some pocket change , as allowance , admission is closed for now , but next year u can apply ,
u can also check their website at www.aust-abuja.org

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fisayo:
bigrovar, I must really tell you that I'm so tempted to switch to Ubuntu but Suse and I have come so far. Your screenshots leave a lot for me to desire, I think I must upgrade my Suse soon .  I would love to be able to actively support peeps and that may be only possible if I use Ubuntu myself so that we speak a common language. Is the Kubuntu you have the latest version? Is it a CD or complete DVD? Many questions, right?

if its the looks u want ,  then its not necessary for u to switch ,  SUSE can be made to look just like Ubuntu without any stress infact since u seem to be a KDE Guy then i will say u should stick to Suse the more because Suse has the best KDE implementations , and the implementation of KDE in Kubuntu could be better ,   but in the end its still the same gnome,and the same kde ,  so u can love-vendor them just about the same way what ever distro u use ,  i get juice for most of my screenshot from here perhaps u can give them a try ,  www.gnome-look.org  and www.kde-look.org ,  how ever if u want to try something new or different then by all means i say give it a shoot ,  more over our group (ubuntunigeria) is more of a linux user group than an ubuntu loco ,  the only reason why we focus on Ubuntu is bcus  that is what most of us have experience with ,  so u too can help bring your SUSE knowledge which would be very welcomed , esp to give more choice to people who want to try Linux  .
about the kubuntu ,  yes its the latest verison ,  no its not a dvd it is a cd ,  but i have given some package dvds to a member of our LUG last time i was in Lagos ,  and am working on a bigger badder package dvd ,  so my friend ,  the choice is yours and like u said we speak the same kernel language ,

that can't be u probably made a mistake in the command ,  its

 lsusb

not 1susb ,  its lower case lettter L  not upper case i or number 1 ,  what it does is to list all usb device attached to your computer ,  their real name so i can use it to track the type of hardware that mtn is using for their dongle ,  once that is discovered we can then know the bitch we are dealing with ,    ls = is a short form of list ,  so try again

Am pretty positive that we can beat this bitch

its been over a decade since i have been listening to rickdees i think raypower started it around 1996 , that was when i got hooked , i try not to miss it when i can and when i was in school it was my weekend tonic ,

this might just work
run this command in terminal  (terminal is under Application/Accessories/Terminal)

sudo gedit /etc/wvdial.conf

this would open a text editor now replace the content of that text editor with this i.e delete wherething in that text editor and paste this instead

[Dialer Defaults]
Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0
ISDN = off
Modem Type = USB Modem
Baud = 115200
Init = ATZ
Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0
Init3 =
Init4 =
Init5 =
Init6 =
Init7 =
Init8 =
Init9 =
Phone = #777
Phone1 =
Phone2 =
Phone3 =
Phone4 =
Dial Prefix =
Dial Attempts = 1
Dial Command = ATM1L3DT
Ask Password = off
Password = 07028967889
Username = 07028967889@starcomms.com
Auto Reconnect = off
Abort on Busy = on
Carrier Check = on
Check Def Route = on
Abort on No Dialtone = on
Stupid Mode = off
Idle Seconds = 0
Auto DNS = on
;Minimize = on
;Dock = on
;Do NOT edit this file by hand!

make sure u replace my username and password with your user name and password

if that doesnt work ,  i then we have to know what hardware mtn is using because for now we are trouble shooting the problem blindly ,  so if it doest work
make sure the dongle/modem is attached and it is the the only usb attached then run this commnad

lsusb

what this command does is to give u the hardware name of any device connected to your computer ,  hopefully it would tell us who this sucker is so we can boast its ass and make it work ,     when u run the command paste its output here ,

this is just the height , first ur post qualifies as a spam , look up at the topic of this section what does it say , did u even read it , or u were soo obsessed with selling ur wares that it blinded u to the rules and regulations that apply here , yet u would call urself a business man even though u cant obey simple rules that guide an online community , it shows u are a quack , and a desperate mahn , soo desperate u would go to any means to make money , we have a tech market , a section for cars , but no , u are too indiscipline and greedy to post ur wares there , u have to come here to spread the message , it just sucks ,

they is a solution to that somewhere here on this forum , use the search tool , or better still google

fisayo:
bigrovar & adewale:

I'm so glad that you guys have really improved with you Linux. Bigrovar, abeg which starcomms modem worked on linux for you?

This Ubuntu thread rocks. I feel like I should just push Susu aside and follow Ubuntu

@ Fisayo from what i have heard suse is a awesome Linux experience especially its implementation of KDE . But the thing that hold me back from giving it a try it is their questionable relationship with MS , but that is just me and i know my reasons are based on sentiments. but if suse works for u then stick to it , it is a good distro .

BTW sumtin happened to me yesterday , i installed KDE 4.1 and i was stunted by what i saw, guy i can say much if u use ubuntu add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main to your source list , and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop , mehn kde4.1 with plasma is the future ,

@pipmaster am researching into the problem this very mo , dont worry i too had problems getting my reltel evdo to work , but when i did , it went s smooth as butter , the problem is that must of this network Dont support LInux , so to get things to work , u have to use reverse engineering , the good side is that once u have gotten it to work , it would always work , i use a starcoms evdo , i dont even know where the cds is , cus it just works with linux even without the cd and windows drivers , so my friend Linux can be frustrating in the begining , but with patiance and raw determination u would be better off and u would find the solution ,

@adewale am in lag as we speak .am in for 2 days. i brought some cds with me , i dont know how we can hookup , in any case i will be droping them at home ,
cheers

it works too much like XP and is hardly innovative enough to justify six years and countless millions. that is the butt of my argument.

believe me u dont know half of it ,

According to The Seattle Times, Microsoft took 10,000 employees about five years to ship Vista. If each employee costs Microsoft about $200,000 a year, the estimated payroll costs alone for Windows Vista hover around $10 billion.

http://www.mydigitallife.info/2006/12/07/how-much-time-money-and-human-costs-spent-to-produce-windows-vista/

its a real shame , if an estimated 10 billion was spent paying 10,000 employees that worked on vista , for 6 years , and vista was the end product , remember even the atomic bomb didnt cost that much , its a real shame cosidering the fact that Debian the parent shoot of ubuntu is developed entirely by volunteers who code for free , even ubuntu , majority of the developers are volunteers and the ubuntu foundation relies on the 10 million dollar given to it by Mark shuttleworth , yet Ubuntu releases new versions evey 6 months , each version an improvement on the last , not the other way round , MS has lost it , unless drastic measures are taken , Windows would cease to be relevant , the world hold its breath and see what windows 7 would offer , if it fails , then it would be the begining of the end for the great evil empire ,

I need 8 24 port GIGABIT Switches preferably Linsys , or netgear , but not dlink please its really urgent so if u want to do business give me a call 08079535004

abi o , that is the problem ,
is this error

"Modem initilialized
Sending: ATDT *99#
Waiting for Carrier
ATDT*99#
ERROR
Inavalid dial command
Disconnecting at, "

correct that and it should work

look at the one in the ubuntunigeria guilde

[Dialer Defaults]

Init1 = ATZ

Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0

Modem Type = USB Modem

Baud = 460800

New PPPD = yes

Modem = /dev/ttyACM0

ISDN = 0

Phone = *99***1#

Password = internet

Username = internet

so fix that and u would be aight

well, if you knew your Unix history you'd probably know that one implementation of Unix was the BSD (Berkley Software Distribution, hope i spelt Berkley right) and that the Mach Kernel OS X uses is actually a microkernel meant to replace that of BSD. (as a programmer im sure you know what a kernel is). so yes, OS X is Unix-like since its kernel is derived from an imlementation of Unix. i do not know the core kernel of Linux since Linux Torvalds rewrote it but i'll check my books. however i do know Linus began wit a Unix kernel.

atcually Linus Torvald decided to wire a clone of the Unix Kernel because Unix was proprietary and too expensive for students , his teacher uses a clone of Unix which called MInix but for Linus to use this he had to walk all the way to school to use Minic , to prevent the stress he decided to write a clone of Unix , which was built from ground up and he released it
here is a copy of the historical post LInus sent to the Minix news group , the post annoucing Linux to the world






"From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
Summary: small poll for my new operating system
Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Hello everybody out there using minix -
I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. This has been brewing
since april, and is starting to get ready.I'd like any feedback on
things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
(same physical layout of the file-system(due to practical reasons)
among other things). I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40),and
things seem to work.This implies that I'll get something practical within a
few months, andI'd like to know what features most people would want. Any
suggestions are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
Linus (torvalds@kruuna.helsinki.fi)
PS. Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.
It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's
all I have :-(. "



The Linux was released under the GPL licensing making it free and open to the public to distribute modify and improve , this lead to a revolution as millions of hackers sent in millions of parches , Linux was incorporated into the GNU project and the OS called GNU/Linux was born , and so it was the idea , from the dark basement of a 21 year old , nurtured by millions around the world , became a force that can nolonger be ignored ,

We have 5 macs here at work and i most say apple defines what an Interface should be , its more than a piece of art , it a well tot out machine , and the only reason i dont use a mac is subjective , for me freedom is the most important thing , it comes before anything , and LInux gives me that , i wont get it in with apple , but like i said my reasons are subjective ,

all seem to be fine , try putting sudo before wvidial so it become " sudo wvdial" without the quotes

fisrt of all i need to know the type of modem u are talking about , second when u open terminal and u run
lspci
what do u get , this will help me to determine what kind of hardware the system is using ,

u can also try this link , its a dummy guide for how to install mac4lin , http://www.howtoforge.com/mac4lin_make_linux_look_like_a_mac

if its not .deb format and if its not even in the "install-uninstall " thn how do we do it ,
i can't install this http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac4lin

what u are trying to install is a theme , and they are installed differently , but it is has easy as drag and drop , u can read this for a crash course on the art of pimping ubuntu ,
http://linuxowns./2008/06/16/guide-to-customizing-ubuntus-look-and-feel/

check this site i pretty much explained how to install applications on ubuntu www.ubuntunigeria. , mahn u are not on windows and linux has its own different way of oding things , exe is not going to run on linux cus its a windows binary , and be carefull when u download stuff for linux u might just end up downloading a source code , which can not be installed through double clicking , the binary application on ubuntu i.e ubuntu version of exe is .deb and u can download som deb applications from www.getdeb.net , however i would advise u to use the application manger for linux and u can read more about it by checking out the blog posting above , or doing a little googling ,

am a linux system administrator , i install and customise GNU/Linux systems for educational use , i work in some private university in Abuja ,

@ uspry1

am amazed , am speechless , i mean , up it up , about my blog , i have quite a lot i am going to add , as soon as i have the time , leave oyb alone i was worse then him once , and i have seen worse pple change , but i will still pray for him so that he doesnt have to always buy 4gb or ram just to power an operating system ,

uspry1 +1

btw i didnt know u use ubuntu , damn! am impressed ,

big brovar - no one on nairaland will agree that you are an average user

well , but , but i am , am just an average user , really

oyb:
so much passion - ! my friend big brovar is resorting to name calling 

do you think neo got all those why windows sucks pictures from  'i love windows' sites?

i have never used linux - so i can't talk about its pros and cons.

i'm doing what 90% of vista bashers do - copy and paste other's third hand experiences

the most fundamental issue with vista has been stated - hardware requirements which are easily countered by adding ram.

at least you've admitted that linux is even more disjointed than vista. people complain about the bewildering array of versions - ultimate, home basic, home premium, vista business -
how do you linux usrers keep up with your constantly revised versions and distro additions?

you've also admitted that its not quite as bug free and seamless as its most vehement advocates would have us believe. yes its free.yes its secure. but like i said in a previous debate - it will be a long time before it will be the OS of choice for a production environemnt ruled by deadlines and profits

am not neo and i dont subscribe to that , niether do u , u have little to zero experience about linux , and that is why u just cant get it , i have used microsoft extensively , in school . i made a lot of money fixing windows , they is nothing u want to tell me about windows that is new to me , i have a vista thread here remember , so am in a position to know , i should know , bythe way read my post , Linux is not an operating system , it is a kernel , but Operating system that use the LInux Kernel are called linux distros , so ubuntu is an os , fedora is an os get it ? , in this light they is no problem of choice , i use ubuntu , and i dont care about million other os that other use , ubuntu works for me , and every 6 month i can get an update to a new version ,
and please this is about stating u point not a fanboyish win at all cost mentality , am not a fanboy cus am objective , and i dont rely on hate sites for my point , do the same

the reason why the pdf plugin in office 2007 is not by default is 1- adobe raised hell when it was in development 2- its one of those freebies for ' users of genuine ms software' (i still got it anyways Grin)

your right about acad 2008 on wine - i did read that on a cad forum- but like u said - it aint close to being out of the box.

as to 512 mb of ram - those are the minimum requirements. even windows vista will run - sorry crawl on 512 mb of ram.

when y'all go on and on about linux and 512 mb of ram - is that the optimum value - or the minimum value?

open office has been with the adobe plugin since god knows when , and about the minimum install for linux , that is another story cus explaining it to u would be vain u need to use linux to understand cus some of the inoovation i might try to explain might be too much for u to understand , so u do ur research on ubuntu minimal install .

spoken like a true fanatic Grin



yawn90% of the stuff i use with windows is not necessary - i choose to use them. i could simply use defender, media player, windows inbuilt zip tool. it is my choice not to use them. during vista's development ms wanted to stop support for third party anti virus packages. symantec etal raised hell.

my point is that u still need some product to run windows , like an office suit and a AV , and a CD burner , yeah , other wise what do u have , a complete useless OS that is just waiting to be hacked ,


and yes - there is a plugin for office 2007 that exports to pdf.

an extra plug-in but it would be nice if it came by default .

i guess using linux with autocad (stable) means i have to use a version almost a decade out of date Undecided

wrong again , u can run the 2008 edition on wine , yeah its not out of the box , but then a autocad is not for noobs right

one can play your game just as well -



http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/



http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/the-real-problem-with-linux



with some of the things people came up with, and even more impressed that they did it without any real compensation. I've seen some absolutely brilliant ideas and brilliant implementations performed within this operating system.



With that being said, Linux is a complete mess when it is looked at as a whole.



For one, due to the nature of linux, it lacks any real standardization. Things are implemented differently on different distributions. I have to look for some config files in different places on Suse vs. Fedora vs. Ubuntu. This is frustrating. Some of them start with different models and different rights levels, For instance, in Fedora, my PATH was basically neutered and I had to readjust things so that I could run basic system commands (even as root). I also had to add the initial user I created to the sudo'ers file (why? I made the user on install). Ubuntu was the exact opposite, and I pretty much had free reign of EVERYTHING (usability vs security I guess).

like I said the word linux is very loose , this are different Oses that do things differently , u have a choice to use what works for u , so why would u expect fedora to be similar to ubuntu , is mac os the same with open solaris , u can say because xp as similar file structure as Vista then Gentoo and Pclinux should do the same , Vista is the updated version on Xp , fedora is not an update to Ubuntu , no , u are the one getting things mixed up , .
true Most Linux based os are very similar in the way they do things , but then they are different , and they sumtins have different approach to doing the same thing , what is wrong with that , I use ubuntu , If I want to use fedora I would learn how things are done in fedora , I wont just assume that it would be the same with ubuntu , since both are different OS,

While tools like apt and yum, and rpm and deb package management make it nice and easy to install things, These packages can be months behind current releases, and when you get current releases you have to play the dependency game. Not to mention that linux apps tend to break easily when you update libraries and such, Windows seems to have this down. Every app comes as a packaged installer, and you never lack any files or libraries. No compiling necessary; no having to debug a failed make or configure, Its just works. Like I said, package managers solve this problem, but no software makers distribute this way. Its often left up to someone else to package all together, and a lot of software is often out dated. (I've had a lot of experience with this and security tools).

u have little knowledge of what u say , ( but then why should u , this is just a copy and paste thing right) tell me one package that is dated on ubuntu , I dont know about fedora , but ubuntu or debian , tell me , if u know what u are saying be honet , dont use google , just say it , from ur experience , I speak from experience so I know what am saying ,
do the same , on ubuntu the focus is on stability , but there is a repository for bleeding edge . Which is meant for beta tester , community members who wants to test a product for bugs b4 , if any is found , it is then sent to the developer so that he can fix it , b4 the program is then released to the stable repository this is how must packaes management system works ,

For me, THE MOST ANNOYING aspect of linux is configuration. Windows has nice GUI configuration tools, with check boxes, help windows, popup explanations, etc etc. For everything with Linux I have to go into a text file and change some poorly described values. Now don't get me wrong, newer releases have included many more tools to configure the operating systems through a GUI (but there is still a lot missing). Still, most software isn't held up to this standard (save a few of the larger and more popular items). Instead, 90% of the time I have to edit a scantily documented config file (well, usually more like 4-5 config files for a single program). I always thought the registry was a mess in windows (and it is), but linux operates on what I'd call a decentralized registry. Its still a hodgepodge of values and settings, like the windows registry, but in Linux they are scattered over the entire drive.

tell me one tell that u cant do on gui with ubuntu , one config that doesnt have a gui , the problem u have is that u have an updated experience with linux and u see this aguement as a most win , so u resort to any means to blindly prove ur point , on windows u have GUI for everything right , but sumtins GUI fails and most times it does on windows , when that happens what do u do , is they a way to go to a console and fix it . Till now no one knows what cuses BSOD , gui is good for average users but not every computer user is an average user , if u are an admin u need to be able to fix things when gui fails , on Linux the configuration are safed as files and most are saved in /etc and are written in human language , I used window for many years yet I cant do registry edit , cus its too hard , but in less than 6 month of using linux I make modification to my config files , not through the GUI TOOLs that were available but thru the config files directly , how can u call it a mess , u need understanding my brother seek it ,

Now the reason none of these problems are never going to be fixed is that there is no central force or authority controlling how things work. Everyone is left up to their own accord. Of course, this is linux, Its a bit on the hippie side. Linux is a lot like a plane that keeps taxiing to take off. It has everything it needs, but it can't decide where it wants to go. All the passengers want to go in different directions and want to fly their own way. The idea of letting everyone do their own thing prevents the structure needed to have this thing take off.

so canonical is a hippie company , redhat is hippie company , novel is a hippie company , common stop making a mockery of ur self , stop it now , just stop it , how can u brand all of linux hippies , if u dont know how things work say it , it sucks mehn ,

Its almost like Linux is perpetually stuck in the final phases of design & programming. All the parts are there, they all work, but its not made into a cohesive product yet.

yet the eeepc that ships Zandros sold millions within a year , and yet there it hasnt reached a final phase , yet dell ships computers with ubuntu and hp ships suse , and Acer is to start shipping linux , even alienware is considering on shipping linux

All in all, I don't dislike Linux. I use it, and it gets the job done, but I'd never use it as a primary desktop. Its not ready for the average users by a long shot.

I am an average user , my girl friend is an average user , some guy I met in lag who begged me to install ubuntu for him is an average user , the 51 pple in my work place u use systems that runs primarily on ubuntu are average users , , the french parliamentarians are average users , over 8 million ubuntu users are avarage users ,

Oh, and one more thing, I hate vi. That has to be the stupidest design for a default text editor ever. Yes, I understand, its very effective if you get to know it, However, a default text editor should not require a manual to learn and use, Just type where the cursor is. For those that want the extra functionality, let them use their editor, just don't make that complicated editor the default.

i hate vi to but there is emacs,gedit,nano,mousepad,kate,etc they is choice,

it would seem that linux users spend all their time tweaking and no time actually getting anything done- 90% of the time - its all about the bling bling - and not about how much productivity you can get out of it - anyway i think the above says a lotperhaps linux can work in a school - but in a pure production environment geared toward profitunless you actually believe linux is the beginning of the end of capitalism.

u mean a productive environment like the new york stock exgchange , like google , like NASA , like the french police , like 90% of hollywood studios , just because I can tweek doesnt not mean I have to tweak or that tweaking reduces my performance , no its a choice , I can make my desktop look like am comfortable with , how does that reduces performance , compiz runs fine , its very productive cus it makes a lot of things easy , its not just easy candy and it is not a drain on resources like aero , it doest need 1gb ram to run and doesnt eat up 800mb or ur ram , even u had to upgrade ur ram to 4gb just to run vista , while ubuntu with compiz run smoothly on 512mb on an intel card , get ur fact straight mahn ,

oyb:
http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/linux-should-aim-better-life-not-better-imitation

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Just occurs to me that there is now a 50/50 split of Linux's focus on the future.

Half the people are trying to improve things that imitate (often necessarily!) other peoples' work, half the people are working on innovative new things that do things differently (No I can't think of an example right now), and half the people are working on stuff they really don't need to bother with.

Yes that's 3 halves, thats the way my brain works.

Strikes me that Linux should push a better paradigm, more so than pushing existing ones.

For example(s):

* Its a full-blown unix, not some toy desktop modular TSR system like MSWindows, and not a vested-interest legacy project like Apple OSX, and far, far funkier than anything Sun etc, or the BSD crowd for that matter, have.
Linux should rejoice in this. It can already, as a direct result of being so 'hardcore', offer full security and a choice of desktops, and is a killer just right there with those two!!

* You can overload a machine with running apps, absolutely drive it into the ground with open windows. It'll get slow, it'll get lumpy , but most of the time (most of) it won't lock up or crash. It's better. Not 'as good', not 'different' - better.

* Diving straight into the commercial desktop - let's face it, really FACE it: most of it is concerned with moving around large amounts of utter CRAP more easily. Meetings you don't need to have, 'process' documents nobody will follow, presentations that just waste people's lives, and loads and loads of wankspeak that never need have been uttered to allow an enterprise to keep rolling. Let's leave that behind, let's find out what REALLY needs doing and do it, and do it in the simplest way we can so it can be expanded and is reliable!

There is the opportunity for apps that do things completely differently. For desktops with wild and strange abilities (NO, KEEP IT SIMPLE!! We DONT MEAN ADD MORE SOFTWARE BUSSES, WE MEAN _SIMPLIFY_ THE EXISTING ONES AND WORK OUT HOW TO MAKE THEM MORE EASILY USABLE BY PROGRAMMERS!!! By my CapsLock key, this needs to be driven home!!!), which could really improve the way people work and create.

Jon

when u say Linux what exactly do u mean , do u mean slax,or fedora,or suse ,or gentoo , Linux a loose term , used to describe OSes that use the linux kernel , so different pple do their things differently , we have some distros for servers --redhat,centos, some are for enterprise suse , and some are for desktops , ubuntu , Mints , PCLinux OS ,
u choose what applies to u , i use ubuntu cust it fit my needs , and for me Ubuntu Not Linux is my OS . SO when u talk about anything talk about Ubuntu, LInux is just a kernel ,

as per the rest of ur qoute
i wont respond to it cus , u went to a hate site to copy FUD and i wont be a part of that , i dont feed trolls .

oyb:
in summary

http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/appeal-masses

Linux forums espouse to a different philosophy from a community that prides itself on "freedom" and liberty. Absolutely no aspersion or criticism of anything Linux is tolerated on any of the many forums (all distros) that I've viewed. It's as if TASS has been reborn. Any constructive, healthy objection to the way Linux does something is removed from forum posts without prejudice.
Along with the censorship is the[b] childish attitudes[/b] of the mods and supposed super users that reply to posts. Most questions are either answered with RTFM, snide remarks, or non-applicable drivel that often turns the new user off to Linux altogether. Just answer the question. W[b]e don't need your opinions on Windows and how Linux is the second coming of sliced bread. As it presently stands, Windows is better at what most people need than Linux.[/b] I'm trying to change that. I hope you "Linux Gurus" will start doing the same.

this is a big lie , very big lie , i have account in fedora,suse and am an active member of ubuntuforum , and never have i seen or heard where poeples comments are censored for airing their views no matter how pro windows , we have a lto of people in the ubuntu forums that is primarily windows and are not bothered or victimized in anyway , its soo sad that u have to resort to lies and unfounded facts just to prove your point , its really sad . and i am suppose to be the fanatic , on ubuntu forums they is even a section for windows , and u are more likely to get ur window problem solved they than on window forum   http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=170 which is not for bashing but for people with windows , so tell me where on MS side they is a forum for Linux or UBuntu ,

please respond to this , have u ever been censored on a Linux forum
have u ever been experienced what u post .

one thing

i cant speak for all  linux distros but i can speak for what i use which is Ubuntu ,

oyb:
http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/linux-printing-still-joke-even-now



Linux printing is STILL a joke, even now


I'll add to this later, but basically setting up printing under Linux is a very hit-and-miss, trial-and-error, and ERROR PRONE excercise.
This is ridiculous, after the length of time Linux and Unix printing subsystems have been in existence.
There has been valiant work done, especially by the people behind www.linuxprinting.org - but they have been consistently left out in the cold. Linux printing is 'looked down on', and not seen as 'sexy', yet if it WORKED - PROPERLY!! - Linux with OpenOffice would already have owned the Desktop market.
As it is, I frequently have to submit documents across to an MSW user, or run vmware (after wasting days setting up print drivers), just so I can print something out in duplex on a really common HP printer. This has to change.

I spent days, no, WEEKS trying to get a standard Epson printer working on various versions of Linux (Fedora, Suse, Manrake, then Mandriva etc etc, and NEVER got it working properly. In the end I gave up. The drivers were impossible to find, or if you did find one it didn't install etc, just utterly useless.
One day, just to prove a point, I took the EXACT same printer round to a friends house who has Vista, and I literally couldnt have STOPPED it working if i tried:





so much for linux printing

am u are not an extremist right ? yet u qoute a site that that has extreme view about linux and that is very unrealistically antagonistic to Linux , we have many site like that that diss ms , but i dont subscribe to them or even condole them , when u base for views on FUD it devalues it and make u look like the fanatic


having said that , even MS Vista has vista capable product , and if u were to administer a network using vista , u would use product that have built support for vista right? like printers with vista drivers right?   so why would u not apply the same sense of judgment on another OS, i never said Linux was Bullet proof , the codes where developed by poeple who are largely volunteers and dont get paid for what they do , but still there are humans ,
were i work we installed linux supported printers and we dont have to spend weeks configuring them , since they support Linux , they just work , , the mistake u make is think that u deserve linux to do sumtin for u , but in fact u don't , u didn't pay for fedora did u , they is no license attached  u are free , must of u come to the community with a customer mentality , which is not the way linux works , in linux everyone has a role to play , its a we we community . not a me and the devs ,
if i have a problem with a program , i file in bugs , to the devs or i donate money to help its cus , i am involved , so am not just a mere ranting user ,

back to what i said about printing , u should do research on what works on linux and what doesnt , some wireless cards dont support linux they dont make drivers for linux , what should the community do , kidnap them ? no but we most suvive as a community and we use reverse engeering to make our own drivers for this product , which most times just works ,, and sometimes u need to do sumtin extra to make it to work , but to avoid this i just go for hp printers and scanners , and i go for intel wireless and nvidia graphic cards , with that things just work , and i have time for other aspect of life ,

'windows has detected a new printer'
'windows is now searching the INTERnet for drivers'
'windows has found the drivers and is installing them'
'installation complete'
All that in a matter of seconds. Not only that, but it worked of course.

this only happens if there is native support for vista , if not u are doomed

compare to Ubuntu with hp /or printers with native linux support ,
its
-printer detected
-printer ready

abegi! do u think neoteny ever paid for any edition of windows he used?  Grin

yes he did ,  i guess u dont know that whether u like it or not windows amount to about 40% or the price of ur Laptop ,  has far as u are buying a laptop then u are paying for a MS license which is OEM License ,

y'all disciples of the penguin( better known as linux fanboys) need to sell linux to autodesk, adobe and MS office before yall start spouting.

autosek ,  what is it ,  i dont need it ,  i dont use it ,  and how many average computer user would ever need it ,  and if i do i can always install it through wine and it runs well

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you and i know that not all neo's pictures are truly about windows - why blame windows for AVGs bugs? - does linux not give error messages. those electronic billboards - the users should simply have disabled error messages/nag screens.

windows is the only operating system in the world that needs an a 3rd party program just to run ,  look at ur self ,  u paid heavily for a software ,  but for it to work well  u need to buy another software , then another software to run the software ,  so then tell me who is the fan boi ,  i manage over 100 Linux desktops at work ,  all from one ubuntu cd ,  we didnt pay any license,  and we were able to customize them to our needs without problem,  everything thinmg runs flawlessly ,  infact the computers in the science labs have been on for 4 weeks now since we installed them ,  they have not been shut down ,  no AV ,  no error ,  no hanging ,  no blue screen of death ,  and we have the best tool for the job ,  the only computers that need drivers to use our scanners and printers are the vista computers we have on compus ,  ubuntu ! just plug it to a printers it configures it within a sec and u are ready to print ,  it doesnt nag u ,  doesnt blue screen of death on u ,  it just works

u talk about MS OFFICE ,  that bloated $600 suit that Open Office Makes nonsense of ,  we use Open office which is has free as air yet has more functionality than ur over bloated scam u call office ,  can office save ur docs has PDF , ?

adobe

first Gimp is a wonderful suit that gives adobe a run for its money ,  if u dont like it ,  have u heard that google worked to port adobe to linux ,  oh u havent heard ,  google it ,

any way as i said before to each his own -

exactly ,

i hope i don't become this manic if i also join beowulf's fanboys

like the saying goes ,  when people fear what they dont understand ,  some confront their fears by seeking for knowledge , while others resort to name calling

oyb:
it has been said that there is no fanatic like the new convert.

thats what all neoteny's anti windows rantings are about 

i guess the reason is bcus most new users get soo pissed at the fact that they put up with Windoze shit for sooo long when they was a better and   cheaper alternative  ,  the backlash is what u see ,  deep hatred ,  for an OS that frustrated them extorted them ,  and generally short charged them for their money , 

so u ask urself what turned this guy from this , 

customize ubuntu all you want, we wont switch over.

to this ,   

@bigrovar

me cousin! yes bro, im part of the movement now. happy feet!!

ive tried vixta, linspire, freespire, pclinuxOS2007 and 2008, kubuntu hardy, gentoo, xandros, and tons of distros

but i kept coming back to ubuntu

tried iceWm, enlightenment, kde, but i kept coming back to gnome.

and im here to stay, just baptized another heathen just an hour ago! he saw my desktop, fell on his knees and in tears accepted the Holy Penguin. i then gave him a copy of the Wiley Linux Bible 2008 in PDF and blessed his saved soul.

something big must have changed him,

adewaleafolabi:
Well i'd rather advise that you should try Ubuntu instead of fedora core, as Ubuntu is more suited for beginners. It combines a whole lot of simplicity plus power.

+1

i just found out how many things we take for granted in ubuntu, i downloaded pc linux os yesterday just to try another flavor of linux , mehn its been a hellish experience , at least for a distro that was suppose to be an alternative to ubuntu when it comes to user friendliness , its doing a poor job of it , everything that just worked on ubuntu since feisty is broken on pc linux , wireless doesnt work even though i use intel wireless , my resolution is too big , sound didnt work , right now am trying to get the freaking os to browse and i know that it would mean getting my hands dirty which am not afraid of doing , but a new user would just freak out , so if u are new to linux , ubuntu is ur best bet

dnative:
Not while Photoshop is still in existence.

and Gimp

i think i prefer this


https://farm1.static.flickr.com/79/281946162_1e97128262_o_d.jpg

Pictures dont lie

in the begining i wanted to get a nokia N810 cus it was just what i needed, it was LInux based, runs on Debian, ,and has a cool interface , plus it was open and free , with the backing of thousand of developers , also comes with pidgin., a mobile terminal , where i can ssh and sudo apt-get all i want , plus a cool package manager , but then i couldnt find one in this country , so i settled for an ipod touch , and tell u what , am quite impressed , am not one for the fancy , music stuff (i dont even have a single video on mine) i hardly listen to music on it , but after jail breaking it , i was open to a world of possibilities, i installed bsd subsystem, then openssh, then a mobile terminal , complete with bash , then an irc clients, a yahoo clients , an rss client, and some other cool stuff which would allow me ton get my geek on anywhere any time , added to the fact that am can sync wirelessly with amarok on ubuntu , life has not been sweater , the itouch/iphone is an example of how far mahn has gone with computer , if only it can be opened up so that it can attain its real potentials,