₦airaland Forum

blink182:
Nigerians, clamoring over the wrong things. Its not bad that he's developing rockets but of what use is it when we can buy better ones from the market besides the nigeria we live in, he'll soon be fund starved and as it came, it'll go.

There're more pressing needs that northerners need especially in agriculture not warfare we dont need it. Water is a humongous problem in the north, let him invent a creative way of harvesting water and see his fortune swell

You crawl, then you walk. No country has done it any other way. The fact that the technology is centuries old is not the issue. The issue is that it took us this long to have technical citizenry tinkering with such old technology.

1. At least you can put on your thinking cap and reason about the number. Have other similar conflicts produced the same number? Why is this one different? I keep saying it. Dont abandon your ability to think to others.

2. Question: would you have been ok with parts of Lagos being bombed by other countries during the 1993 election as IBB refused to leave?

3. SMH again. So if someone attacks you, then leaves its ok. Are you reading what you are writing?

4. Question again: During the Niger delta offensives under OBJ which killed innocents, would you have been ok with a coalition of countries leveling government targets Libya style?

your entire point is based on speculation that the figure of 8000 quoted is a lie and further speculation that since that must be a lie then they must be lying about other stuff. pure speculation based on which you make accusations which under the circumstances could amount to slander!

I just told you, as others have attested to that there is no precedence for those numbers. Its not speculation, its logic. Stop arguing blindly.

Page 3 and no Gbawe vs GenBuhari3 debate. Waow 

RIP to the slain

Kgdavid:
1. the proof for that point was all over the news when it happened. the rebels broke into the armoury and took the weapons there which led to pro gaddafi efforts to bomb the armoury. if yu have also been following the news you would have known that the protesters are not well armed neither are they well trained. they were only able to make grounds because the libyan military underestimated them however when the then Libyan military regrouped the rebels were pushed back all the way to benghazi from tripoli and would have been exterminated if not for allied intervention.

This is the premise of this thread. That the news which you have been following is a little truth mixed with propaganda. My evidence? The 8000 casualties mentioned. I noticed that so far you havent been able to back it up. THIS really is the crux of the argument. LET ME REPEAT: a lot of major news outlets are propangadizing.

2. its not beside the point since america has on this thread been accused of invading that country that gaddafi "developed beyond its peers". the question here is if all was fine in libya and americans are only here for profit then how did they manage to stir up such a massive uprising? it shows how little information people have about this conflict. are you aware thta initial efforts by the brittish to aid the rebels were refused?

No, it shows how little information you have. There is a genuine democratic push trying to unseat Gadaffi. I have no qualms with this. THere is however, a region/tribal based uprising by those who enjoyed the spoils of power before Gadaffi took over. Those are the bulk of the Benghazi uprising. Funny how you never heard that in the news huh?

3.no fly Zone is an euphimism for what exactly? an invasion? do you know what it takes to carry out a full scale invasion? the allied forces are taking out specific military targets to neutralize pro ghaddafi's unfair advantage. there are no ground forces involved, how exactly cn you reasonably call that an invasion? time and time agiain it has been clarified that gaddafi is not a target of the bombings and that he is not partof their mandate. it is not an invasion!

ol boy why you dey talk like this. If another country drops bombs on your hometown, killing people, and herding them to locations they wish, is that not an invasion? Invasion does not need boots on the ground in the 21st century. Full scale or not doesnt matter.  Bombs kill, maim. What dont you get about this?

4. of course not all the killed were non combatants but the issue here is, as long as some of the killed were civillians with an extremely high tendency for more civilians to be kiled, international intervention was necessary. those clamouring that america is looking for oil are probably not even aware that obama haas said there will be zero ground forces involved and that the U.S is trying to pull back from its position of leadership but no other nation or organization wants to tke the lead.

So you agree that the number killed had rebels and civilians. Good. 8000 is still a bogus number. Finally, wether Obama wants oil, or want to build a golden tent is Libya is moot. The standard for invading another nation due to internal strife was never met. Pls don't compare this to Rwanda. Google that atrocity if you have to. This was an internal insurgency that would not have lasted another month. NO EXCUSE for wilfully prolonging the internal strife in the country

but what exactly is your point?

Glad you asked. 8000 killed is a lie. Now if they are lying to you about this, what else are they lying to you about?

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Kgdavid:
1. the Libyan revolution started as a PEACEFUL PROTEST same as was held in egypt. for several days the protesters were brutally attacked and had etreme violence meted out to them till members of the military started defecting, supplying the protesters with arms and a means to defend themselves.

You have no proof of the bolded part. Funny how within days of a peaceful protest, a well armed insurgency suddenly surfaces. Armed enough to beat back an army.

2. are you saying that american instigated thousands of libyans to take to the streets in the first place?

This is beside the point really

3. are you saying the no fly zone currently imposed by a coalition of nations sanction by the U.N and A.U and requested for by the Arab league is tantamount to an united states invasion of Libya?

The no-fly zone is an euphemism. It draws out the insurgency  and has likely balkanized Libya for good. If bombs are raining on your head, its safe to say you are being invaded regardles of what they tel you.

4. is it not evidence of your simplistic way of thinking to assume that everyone inhabiting the rebel occupied cities are combatants?

Is it not simplistic as well to assume the "8000" killed were civilians?

if you want to be taken serious as political commentators then stop watchin those movies you love so much and start watching the news.

on the flip side, it might help to actually analyse what you hear on the news, instead of swallowing it without thinking.

uum . . . If you read the article again, you would understand that the man is not complaining of the military strikes. In period of one month, Ghaddafi has taken out 8000 of his own people. That is what the article is telling you.

8000 civilians in a month! If you believe this is possible, barring a mass extermination plan like gassing or mass graves, you need to have your head examined. How many Palestinians died during the VERIFIED shelling of civilian dwellings by Israel. Not even 1000. Yet Ghadaffi managed to wipe 8000 in one month. SMH

More than 8,000 Libyans aligned with the rebel movement that rose up against Muammar Gaddafi have been killed in the revolt against his rule, a spokesman for the rebel movement told Al Jazeera

1. So, 8000 rebels while fighting the govt died. What exactly is the problem. These were not civilians. If you fight in a war, you can expect to die. I LOVE how instead of calling them rebels, they refer to them as Libyans aligned with rebels.

2. This number is made up. Unless all the rebels were sitting around like a computer game, waiting to be killed off, this is not militarily possible in the time span. Far deadlier wars with way more firepower, like the battle for Anbar province in Iraq, and Sarajevo did not yield anywhere near this number on both sides in months of fighting. You expect us to believe this happened in Libya.

Lol. try again

btw pele for derailing thread with pointless argument

PhysicsMHD:
He didn't imply or suggest that I was not included in "yourself" (by which he means [b]our[/b]selves (blacks), since he couldn't have been referring only to himself given the context in which he wrote that phrase).

And how could he have excluded me? His statement was clearly about blacks/Africans in general.


Which of these Afrocentrists are actually linked to ancient Egyptians that they should consider celebrating their (ancient Egyptians) achievements as celebrating themselves?

I didn't suggest you were included either. If you are not interested in historical FACTS, no sweat of anyone's back. If you are going to suggest to anyone to discard the facts in this thread, you should at least back it up with proof. Your opinion is not proof. Otherwise, let those who want to celebrate themselves do so.

Becomrichn:
i am proud of obama on the libya case. 42 years is long time for anyone to be in power.

we will be more proud when troope are on ground in Nigeria as we break up nigeria to protect lifes of millions of people.

Does that justify the strong military action? How would you like it if your hometown got razed by a foreign army because of Niger delta militancy

ROSSIKE:
He makes some great points though. Mama-Gee, shouldn't you be in the celebrity/entertainment section? Please leave serious discussions for people that know their stuff.

Maybe not. It might be good for folks to learn a thing or two instead of just gorging on main stream media.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNJrr5-DoeA

PhysicsMHD:
lol, you realize the link that you posted destroys your argument/premise, right?

Smh @ all the Afrocentrism. What's the point?

There were some black/African elements in ancient Egypt's culture, but the kind of claims in this thread and all over the web are a stretch

Umm, no they are not a stretch. There are reams of documentation to back ROSSIKE up. Do the research and stop shaking your head. And what is wrong with Afrocentrism. Since when did it become a blight to celebrate yourself?

Bakare is starting to sound prescient.

Utomi is becoming less relevant day by day because of his perceived 2-faced nature when it comes to politics. One day he says this democracy must be destroyed and lambasts PDP. The next day he wants to restructure PDP instead, not destroy it. Even worse than 2-faced speeches are 2-faced actions. Even when he declared his aspiration to run as president on PDP platform, he was told by "elders" it was not his time. He complied without even testing the primaries, leaving millions of supporters in the lurch suddenly. Countless progressive parties with manifestos close to what he says he believes in have courted him, but when push comes to shove he always prefers to remain a nonentity in PDP, leaving the courting parties in disarray each election cycle. Good riddance.

tpiah!:
In what way exactly has black collective self esteem been boosted?  If anything it`s at its lowest in decades.

The real effect is on youngsters still in kindergarten. The self-doubt and subliminal messages that slowly permeates a black child growing up as a disenfranchised minority will never be as bad. There will always be a seed of hope there, and that is enough for a start.

Lol cap28, save your energy. guys are just trying to rile you up.

seanet02,
do you really see a scenario in which Ribadu can win. To be more specific, even if Ribadu wins in the SW, can he beat GEJ in the North?

eku_bear:
If that were the case, he'd not be running on the ACN ticket. Unless Tinubu is working with GEJ (and thus OBJ.) Which sounds a bit too conspiracy-oriented for my taste.

Tinubu wouldn't have to be working with GEJ anymore than a Ribadu supporter would be. Thats the essence of a 5th column. Only Ribadu has to be in the know.

Just so everyone is clear. Ribadu is most likely a fifth-columnist. As much as I love the guy, I cant help but think he is an OBJ plant, similar to Saraki in the Northern Elders forum, to split votes. Eh, what do I know

eku_bear:
I'm starting to think that the author of the article made a typographical error. Perhaps it should read

In that case, I think things make more sense. Then it simply becomes a case of Bakare complaining about how the ACN didn't let Buhari have full control over who he runs with on their ticket. Which isn't a big deal, really.

Because the way the sentence is written now, Bakare comes off as a jackass.

Thats what I assumed: Buhari/CPC's choice getting rejected. It couldnt possibly have been Bakare suggesting options for another man's party. That would be almost hilarious. That doesnt make any sense

Gbawe:
Very much doubt it .

I cant see any downside to his attending. Even if he flops, Fola Adeola style, people who want to vote for him because he is from niger delta will still do so. The only way it hurts him is he makes a big booboo, like maybe admitting he actually communicated with some of the MEND operatives on the down low. This is highly unlikely.

eku_bear:
So in a nutshell, if Bakare doesn't get to choose the VP of the ACN (a party which he was not a member of, mind you, much less prominent in), then the ACN and Tinubu are anti-democratic  

Who the F is this jackass? Go f*** yourself, Tunde Bakare.

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion from the article. Maybe its just me, but the article implied Tinubu putting his foot down on Iweala was an example of Tinubu's iron grip on the party, a grip even ACN mebers have complained about.

Bakare has the gift of gab. Unfortunately he sometimes overspeaks, as anyone who attended his church during OBJ's reign will attest. I'll take a half of Bakare over 2 GEJs any day though. Poor Beaf

seanet02:
How did he Floored the other contestants? some people just like being mischievious
Adeola was simply the Best!! He analyzed economic issues in an Appealing way than bakare junks
Ribadu for President.

There was nothing appealing about Fola's analysis, or mannerisms for that matter. You have to question Ribadu's decision -making skills, how can you choose a neophyte for VP. Or is Ribadu a trojan horse? sent to disrupt progressives.
Fola, pls grow up. That was embarassing

I definitely agree that Oyegun was the most comported and convincing. Bakare pretty much relied on his ability to talk and sway crowds, and it worked.

Beaf:
Abeg, tell dem jare! All Buhari supporters do is insult others. There is a lot going on in the country which some refuse to acknowledge, either out of bias or they do not seek info from credible sources.

Like what exactly? Please enlighten us.

This is all you've got? You want me to compile a list of PDP/Obj/Jonathan? abeg siddon for corner.

Choosing Bakare effectively killed Buhari's major obstacle: Nuhu Ribadu. Ribadu would have siphoned off progressive votes that could have tipped the scales in Buhari's favor in the SW. If you check out the VP debate, Bakare mopped the floor with the other VP candidates

its on youtube

if she smells

violent:
African leaders are as clueless and dumb as dumb could be!. . It's obvious to even the blindest sight that diplomatic measures wouldn't resolve shytt in Ivory Coast, hundreds are dead already, probably a few more to die in the coming days, and yet, these Old good for nothing fóols keep holding stupíd meetings and what not!

while you are going off on African leaders, do remember you are African yourself. And the led are no better than their leaders.