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SarkinYarki:
Can this Hashim keep quiet , Atiku will make a far better candidate that all the othe aspirants except may be Moghalu ...the worst will Buhari followed by that restless Sowore ....As it stand there is non of the aspirants that is more prepared to lead Nigeria than Atiku.... If you still believe that Atiku is too corrupt also remember that an African proverb says the best person to hide you valuable with is a thief because he will take good care of it as all eyes are on him . Nigerians must not miss this opportunity to grow

Which African proverb from which tribe ? Or are you quoting your own proverb?

Saraki refusing answering the questions. Still trying to play smart. Well you were on a hot seat and you were caught.
Stylishly saying one thing and meaning the other does not make you smart except to dumbos.
Goodluck to the sets of Nigerians who see you as their leader and pride.
You have certainly earn it.

I look forward to some moderator putting Dogara in a hot seat as well.

These are the sets of people them supporters are shouting others that they are smarter than PMB and they are drivers of the economy. In a country where civil servants are crying for meagre 30k as minimum wage, these so called senators are looking for ways to collect money from the executive all in the name of doing better legislative works. .


Please how and in what ways has their duties lessen the plight of the common man?

And FFK came online to inform us that he spoke with Nnamdi Kanu?
So between APC,PDP FFK and the Israeli who are we to believe and who is running propaganda?

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Deepfreezer:
Exactly, these set of demons where the ones that forced the federal under GEJ to share the excess crude savings, 2019 is around the corner, the people should make all the gubernatorial Aspirantz sign an agreement to paying the amount of their choice as minimum wage or be booted out going to the pools

Yes oooh. It's not just signing it. Any governorship candidate who does not uses same as a campaign manifesto should not be voted in. Enough of them lazy excuses.

Nigerians problems is not PMB or any previous president. The problems of these country are caused by the governors who have nothing to offer and will not think on how to better themselves to improve on their states respective resources available to them.
How can someone be saying they can't pay meagre 24k

Yet some of them will have mouths to blame PMB

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Good day
Please how much is the bag now?

Good Day. Will there be any whatsapp training before the end of December?
I'd really appreciate if you can give some pretty good discount on the amount you previously charged. Thanks.

adanny01:
With regards to the bolded.

In most cases, architectural designs are pretty straight forward. Most of the challenge engineers face is the lack of site experience of some inexperienced architects, especially with regards to grid lines and dimensions.

An engineers job is easier if he can export the architects grid lines and work from there but in most cases, an engineer cannot. This leads to building the engineers grid lines from the scratch.

True, during design an engineer may need to clarify from the architect if there is a missing or ambiguous object.

The essence of engineering is to conquer a challenge, for without it there's no work left for him.
Every engineer was once inexperienced.

adanny01:
A lot of words are synonymous to each other, besides, i have trying to explain the implications of saying an architect supervises the engineers.

If you agree that the undertaking "implies that the professional will adhere to approved acceptable procedures in carrying out his work", that means you agree that an architect cannot supervise what he is not responsible for?

When you supervise, you are responsible. It is not an ego contest, its a fact. I have worked under architects before and still work with architects.

Good with the bold.
I have worked with 2 firms one headed by an engineer and the other by an architect.
I still keep tabs on them as time permits.
I'm a free lance.

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One mistake from this post is to refer to Bianca same and one as Ojukwu.
Being the late Ikemba's wife does not in any way make her, him.

adanny01:
Bro, you cant be serious about the bolded. Do you know that even the vetting engineer is partly responsible for issuing building permit? Its obvious you dont understand the implications but as an engineer, i do. Because its not your responsibility as an architect you want to think its an ordinary letter. That ordinary letter will put several engineers in jail in an event of a building collapse.

You sound like an architect, building permits are responsibilities of engineers and you obviously think is just an ordinary letter. Please leave our profession to us. I know my responsibilities well.

Undertaking Definition: formal pledge or promise to do something

It is formal, and not to be taken lightly.

An undertaking is professional responsibility of safety without which there is no building permit. It is a legal document o!

Architect's dont commit their professional integrity to a building like an engineer does. Please give due, recognition to the engineers.

You keep interchanging words.
The bold simply implies that the professional will adhere to approved acceptable procedures in carrying out his work.
This is not an ego contest.
Accepting the truth does in no way belittle one's profession.
I am one of you and not the other as you've implied.

Timtol:
You are interested in seeing the critical points?

Yes, bro.

Timtol:
Critical points we have have alot of load.
It has a widest base.

Okay, if you can try and upload the structural plan of the building.

Timtol:
The rebars.
We have Y10, Y12, Y16 and Y20.
Using TMT rods,Tiger.

In what area are you using the Y20?

adanny01:
When i say undertaking, i dont mean seal. I mean a "letter of undertaking" signed and sealed. This is different to signing and sealing of drawings.

This is a requirement for building permit in Abj.

Like I said, there are various forms of undertakings.
Every state has their own regulations.

You just said, its a requirement for building permit.
A building permit is an approval and does not necessarily mean the building to be built will follow safe building procedures.

senatordave1:
I thought chidoka is intelligent but am shocked at his daftness and frequent misfiring.hes making the loss of atiku more easier

The problem we have in this country is that there is no standard measurement to ascertain development. And if there is, the so called indices used are faulty.

I can't believe some of those points are being raised by Osita Chidoka as achievements.
These were the same ways they were applauding themselves about the growth of the economy by counting the influx of cars.

adanny01:
The bolded is the problem. Achieveable means safe in this context.

How could one who is not a civil engineer ensure that the design is safe? How will he know? How will the architect know the design is safe? Even if it is not safe, the architect is not responsible for it.

In saner climes, the engineer signs an undertaking that it is safe and is responsible for the failure. The engineers signs the undertaking leveraging his life and career on that assurance. Why should the architect bother when its not his responsibility?

Let me ask you this question, with all the building collapse in Nigeria, have you ever heard where an architect is being investigated for culpability in the collapse especially if the architect is not the contractor?

3 people are responsible for a building failure, the client, engineers (foundation and structural) and the contractor (builder). An architect is never responsible for safety.

Is that not applicable in Nigeria?
In saner climes they sign an undertaking. Undertakings are of various types.

A complete plan comes stamped by the relevant professionals who have given their input.
That stamp, seal, etc, etc, in one instance is an undertaking because designs done were done in accordance to approved known codes.
The other undertaking only prooves real professional knowledge and experience when done by whoever accepts the job.
That's why on every plan, there's a written clause that's absolves the designer from any damage done to the structure if he/she is not responsible for the actual building/supervision of the structure.

Let's not deviate from the main issue of "supervision" of a structure.
Who is responsible for building integrity is not the discussion.
Nigeria is an operational country and not a functional one.

adanny01:
Every professional job has an input and an output.

An architect cannot satisfy a client without an input. The architect's input is the questions he asks the client or the idea the client has for the building. This translates to an output as a building design.

The architect's building design is the structural engineers input. The structural engineers output is a safe structural design.

A foundation engineer's input is a safe structural design. His output is a safe foundation design.

A quantity surveyor's input is the all drawings including architectural, structural, foundation etc. The output is a BOQ.

The architect is not responsible for all these professional jobs and cannot supervise. He collects all the output to use in management of the project.

And so forth.

Now, the main reason why the architect cannot supervise the engineers is that he cannot be responsible for the safety of the building during construction and life span. Long after the building is put to use, the Engineers are still responsible for the structural integrity of the building. This is why an engineers design is his responsibility and [/b[b]]cannot be subjected to an architect's supervision.

The supervision being said has nothing to do with the bold.
The architect supervises the engineer just to ensure that the desired output being a real life physical structure is achieveable. That's the supervision being talked about and not supervising the engineer on how to go about his/her structural designs.
That's the real life scenario.

adanny01:
One simple question for you.

A civil engineer basically does 2 things with an architectural building design, he analyzes then design the structural members.

Which one does the architect participates in, structural analysis or structural design?

The architect's output is the civil engineer's input, the civil engineer's output is either a failed or a safe design. There is no part of civil engineering that is subject to an architect's supervision.

i.e to supervise is to observe and direct the execution of (a task or activity).

In this case, an architect cannot direct structural analysis neither can he direct structural design. An architect determines the design input but cannot determine the output.

If a civil engr does not have the mental capacity to achieve a safe design on an architect's design just like in the case of burg el arab, the architect is at liberty to consult another civil engineer with the required mental capacity. It is not because one tried and failed and the other tried and succeeded that it means the architect ensured the design.

Lastly, this same situation exist in most professions, a Surgeon relies on an Anesthesiologist, both who are doctors. It doesn't say the surgeon supervises the anesthesiologist. The surgeon basically demands an output from the Anesthesiologist which if one cannot get him the desired output, he moves on to the next anesthesiologist until he gets the desired output or quit trying.

The burg el arab architect kept seeking for that output from different civil engineers till one gave him the right output without which his idea would have remained an idea. An architect doesnt need to supervise a structural design to get the right output.

You're just trying to twist words.
Architect ; Input.
Civil/Structural Engineer; Output
The reverse is the case for both professionals if I'm to follow your line of explanation.

The architect's idea is generally an output and that's the essence of the 3D design of each structure.
That's where the role of both professionals comes to play in the burg el arab structure.
It's without the civil/structural engineer's input in the design that the architect's output becomes nothing but a dream.

Timtol:
Haven't figure that out going down the more because we are yet to be pleased with the "evenly" clean water.
Our Target @first is 75metres tho

Okay, nice. Kindly fill the thread with feedbacks as you proceed.
Goodluck

I can't believe the CBN governor is saying all this.

Ayiba0911:
Jonathan was Governor for only 1 year and constructed a bridge (Ecole Bridge) that same year, while Alamco used 6 years to Construct a similar bridge with the same design parameters. Goodluck is the missing link to Bayelsa Development.

Your comparison here is quite unfair. In as much as GEJ had a short time as governor compared to Alamco, but there are still other projects Alamco did.

Do you know that in the entire Kwara State there is only 1 flyover.

In as much as bayelsa state is still far from being what it ought to be, we should avoid comparisons that actually have no measure of standard.

And someone up there is saying there's no pothole from his local government to yenagoa the capital city.
Okay, please where is your local government?

Also mention the 4 states that are as not developed as Bayelsa State?

When Akpabio was developing Akwa Ibom State, what was Bayelsa state doing?

Omoteyi:
see your mouth!
cant you tell your Dullard contemporaries like Tinubu,
Ganduje, Akpabio, Oshiomole, Omisore, Amechi and
others to do same.
Shameless people.

Just take a very good look at yourself.
Take another good at yourself.
Keep looking at yourself.
You can type again if you feel good.

Isn't it funny, Fayose who wrote to EFCC with all courage is now being escorted by Wike and FFK to the EFCC office?
What is he scared of?
EFCC only invited him.
He is only entitled to go with his lawyer oooo and not all this unnecessary jamboree.

Timtol:
Here is our clean water.

So at what depth did you hit clean water?

bala221:
Thanks a lot for such advice. I would be glad if I am pointed to a competent structural engineer.

You already have an architect in your employ.
Tell him to get you a structural engineer that will do what you need.

bala221:
Hello great house,

I am starting my house project size (35 ft by 97 ft), and have given an architect to do my designs (2 storey building, that is two floors above the ground floor with a small BQ beside). I want to start bit by bit as I am not loaded for now.

He is insisting that I go for structural design before I commence, But I think I can get a good civil engineer to supervise once in a while during the project to save cost instead of doing the structural designs (He (the architect) has given me the DWG drawings for structural design). What do you advice?

I am now waiting for the architect to finish off his designs and then I begin setting out.


Also I am in diaspora, please what are the tips to avoid being shortchanged by my builders and overseers?

My project is in Kano by the way.

I'm not getting your write up in one bit.
What you intend doing is not a bungalow.
Much as Julius Berger or Dantata, etc,etc, are construction experts, they don't initiate any construction plan without doing a comprehensive design for all phases.
Any Civil/Structural Engineer who handles your project without taking a look at your structural design is most likely not one.
There are persons who can give you what you need at a considerable price.

Getting your design approved by the relevant government authorities is a different ball game.
But just ensure you have your complete drawings done.